Bills offense looks to put up positive, meaningless performance
After three pre-season games, the Buffalo Bills and their new-look offense have scored three points in nine possessions. The first unit's lack of success, particularly their three-turnover, zero-point performance last weekend in Green Bay, has led to a hailstorm of negative publicity over the past several days.
Dick Jauron called out Trent Edwards. Trent Edwards called out the coaching staff. Edwards was given several nicknames by local media, with the most popular being "Trentative Checkwards," a WGR 550 concoction playing off of his supposed tentative nature and penchant to throw short, check-down passes. The offensive line remains a worry. People are distraught about the fact that Terrell Owens has still only played one series. Marshawn Lynch is still very much suspended, and Fred Jackson's injury scare earlier this week did little to sooth the nerves.
It's been an ugly week to be an offensive player in Buffalo. The sad reality of the situation, however, is that one solitary touchdown this weekend in Pittsburgh would quell the doubters, at least for a day or two. Here's the kicker - any number of touchdowns in the Steel City would mean exactly the same amount as their current point-every-three-drives pace. Not a thing.
Graham takes Bills to task
ESPN's Tim Graham penned an article on Thursday outlining all the gory details of the Bills' offensive misfortunes through three pre-season games. In a nutshell: the Bills' starting offense has run 58 plays for 208 yards, and in that time frame they've turned the ball over as many times as they have put a point on the board (three). Buffalo's average drive takes them a whopping 23 yards.
Many of the concerns that Graham outlines are valid - but for those paying attention, they're also not any different than before the pre-season started. We've been worried about the line, about Edwards, and about the team's recent inability to score points throughout the entire off-season - even after Owens was signed. I fail to understand how poor pre-season performances have deepened those concerns.
It works both ways. Last pre-season, the Bills played the Steelers in Toronto - and the first-team offense ripped Pittsburgh's soon-to-be champion defense to shreds. This was a Bills offense that did not, by the way, feature Owens - oh, and Jason Peters was in the midst of a holdout as well. Yet Edwards completed 9 of 11 passes for 104 yards, with two touchdowns to Robert Royal, of all people. He convered a 3rd-and-12 with a 22-yard scramble. What did that exciting performance mean for the offense's prospects in 2008? Diddly squat. Do you think Steelers fans lost any sleep over their performance, or marveled at that kid wonder quarterback who shredded their defense? I sincerely doubt it.
Nothing has changed, folks
I mentioned this once, but it's the point of this post, so I'll hammer it home: these concerns are valid. What most fans are forgetting is that they have been valid for a long number of months. They have not changed in urgency after uninspiring pre-season performances, and perhaps most importantly, the concerns will not be lessened if the Bills drop 30 points on the Steelers in the first half tomorrow.
Forget about ease of mind - you won't find it in NFL pre-season football. No matter how good or bad a team looks, the ultimate truth is that the game doesn't count. We still treat the Patriots like an infallible machine of football perfection and purity, but has anyone noticed that they've looked pretty terrible themselves through two pre-season games? Nobody's worried about them, because "they'll turn it up a notch when the games count." Guess what? So will the Bills.
Do I want to see the Bills march Pittsburgh's first-team defense backwards up and down the field tomorrow night? Certainly. Pre-season football is boring, and it's fun to see the Bills dominate in any setting. But ultimately, the performance is meaningless, and no matter how much greatness or how much awful play is exhibited, not a thing will change in my mind heading into the final pre-season game and the regular season. The offense is still a worry - and pre-season performances either way won't change that.
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I dont know if this is still true, but
upto a few years ago, the better the Bills did in preseason the worse they did in the regular season. Why worry about these games when we are not using more than three tenths of our playbook. Maybe it is a cunning plan from the coaching staff to catch the pats off guard.
"When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm!" Gianluca Vialli
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
I’ve read quite a few crazy, left field comments on here lately about how Belichick will “pick up this third string player if we cut them so we better not cut that guy”, or “we could be sitting TO so that Belichick doesn’t have any tape to study”…After digesting these posts after the laughter stopped a good nights sleep I’m starting to think that cagey Dick Jauron might be running the most vanilla preseason on offense ever…Would it be that far fetched to think that he is so concerned about this year that he is ultra paranoid about tipping his hand to the team he has yet to beat under his tenure?
I don’t mean in a conspiracy theory way, like we’re sitting TO on purpose…Just that he is telling all his first stringers to have fun, and don’t get hurt…We’ve got a game plan, and we’re practicing it behind closed doors…We’ll try a few small things (like blocking assignments) during the preseason games, but I’ll be dammed if I give that guy in the hoodie something he can game plan with…
Or maybe I’ve just been watching too many re-runs of the X-Files…You know, that one episode where the Cigarette Smoking Man says “As long as I hold this job the Buffalo Bills will never win the Super Bowl”…Or something like that.
:)
I love me some DB's...I might just be Dick Jauron's long lost twin!
Some NFL writers have said similar things. The starters are going to look a little cautious since they are trying not to get hurt. The backups are playing all out to earn more time and a job. It’s what makes Kelsay’s play more remarkable to me. He knows he has a job and is still busting his butt.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 28, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
and what exactly is he producing? He busts his tail in practice, so why is it surprising he does the same in the preseason…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Because he’s a starter for this team without any real chance of losing his job soon, as your sig states. He’s had good pressure in camp and knocked down a bunch of passes when he can’t get to the QB. In the preseason games he hasn’t done a whole lot but he looks better than he has in the past. He looks a little more active with his hands and feet.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 28, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I suppose that’s an improvement for him! Still no results though!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2009 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know, I know. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 28, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The cunning plan
wa a reference to the Blackadder TV show from the BBC, which i have been told is very popoular in the states. Check out Hugh Lauries CV
"When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm!" Gianluca Vialli
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
Meaningless in actually counting yes, but it is not meaningless when we talk about the confidence that Trent needs to have or the coaches and offensive players need to have in Trent. No matter how much positive spin the players put on it there are internal concerns about him. Just look at Jauron’s comments about Trent or even Trent’s comments to the media about “you throwing the passes” or calling out the coaching staff. At some point he needs to have confidence in his abilities and the WR/TE’s ability to be in the right place at the right time. Making mistakes cannot dominate his thoughts during a game.
I don’t think it means a ton confidence-wise, either. I’m aware that I’m in the vast minority on that one, though.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I certainly hope your right Brian
as Ron from NM stated and i agree, a wait and see approach is needed at this point.
Brian, you had referenced last year’s Pitt preseason game when Trent played well. that no doubt raised his confidence level and it propelled him to a good start to the season. after the Arizona game things changed with him.
You mean when he came back after the bye week and absolutely destroyed the Chargers? The Arizona game didn’t change Trent. The way defenses played him did.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 28, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
one game
overall he was not the same. neither was the team.
by gatornation on Aug 28, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
But it’s important because it was the next game. He didn’t come back and get tentative. He also had the Chiefs game where he was diving into the end zone head first. He wasn’t scared. Defense played him differently and it was effective.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 28, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
His lack of confidence seemed to come from a lack of success. Once he started playing poorly, it just seemed to be downhill for him. I don’t think the injury was much of a problem, butwhen he started playing poorly he lost all his confidence. I’m afraid a terrible preseason would do the same to him for the regular season….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2009 12:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you that it was a downward spiral in part from Trent and in part from the defenses learning how to defend Trent. I don’t think the preseason without T.O. is going to affect his confidence when T.O. comes back. What I do think will affect his confidence is the O Line. If he is running for his life again tomorrow night I would worry that he will lose confidence in the guys up front. I don’t see that as a bad thing, by the way. I think Trent should get the ball out earlier anyways. Maybe that will speed the process along.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 28, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Trent going to all of a sudden stop playing indecisive and tentative football, and start playing confident when the season starts? I guess it’s possible, but if he doesn’t build any confidence in the preseason, isn’t it likely that that continues in the season?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
It’s not that he’s suddenly going to become mistake-free (and all his passes will sail perfectly for 10+ yard gains) once the season opener hits – it’s that once all his playmakers are on the field and playing in a game that counts there’s reason to be optimistic that one good drive to start the season will give Trent all the confidence he needs to perform well enough to win.
I see your point but at the same time how fragile is a pro if he can’t put a game that doesn’t matter behind him and just go out and perform? I think you can build up all the confidence you want in the preseason – once the real season hits it can all be lost in a quarter of football. Conversely you can go into a game with no confidence, put up a couple nice scoring drives and be set.
"We want to win immediately. To say you're building is an incomplete sentence. ... You're building for a future coach and general manager."
-Marv Levy
Trent might be the one exception. I happen to think he’s a lot more headstrong than you’re giving him credit for.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure doesn’t look that way on the field then. Last year he looked way, way too hesitant after a nice start followed by mistakes and poor play.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Which is why I said he might be the one exception. I still think he’s confident, and now that the city of Buffalo has dumped on him for a week, he might be more ballsy in his decision-making.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
You wanted coach to pull him last week so he could sit on it and stew for a while. Then the media piled on. If that doesn’t rev him up he’s got no pulse…. of course it is preseason. He should still try his best to prove doubters wrong.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 28, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m a bit confused by that then…how is he the one exception if he is out there looking tentative and afraid to make mistakes? Doesn’t seem all that headstrong to me, so am I missing your read on this?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2009 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If his tentative-ness is in his nature, it has nothing to do with confidence, does it? :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he’s tentative because of a lack of confidence. Maybe its his nature, I’m not sure…!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2009 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he's tentative
because he says he’s coached that way. I think it’s a lingering problem. He has been hurt every year since High School. Granted he played with some bad OL’s in college and subsequently the pros, but at some point you’d think you’d realize “if I’m tentative I’m going to get hurt again.” Somehow it is all tied together. It’s a point that undoubtedly is related. He gains confidence from not being hit, making clean throws. I know the kid is a fighter and works extremely hard at it, but his injury history, and tentativeness are obviously related, along with porous OL play from time to time.
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But there has been times when he held the ball a split second longer to make a play while knowing he would be hit. when a QB does that then he is playing with confidence. it does all tied together. success breeds confidence and considering this team went 2-8 down the stretch last year and the starters haven’t look especially good in the early going the confidence level isn’t where it should be.
Why not just go full bore?
Tentative Checkwards or Tentative Checkdown?
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
no, TRENTative, Ron. Checkwards so it rhymes with his name.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Trentative Checkdownwards is the way I’d go
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Checkdownwards is too long, though.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 28, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Big plays vs. small plays in pre-season...
Still, the most important part of pre-season is staying healthy.
I wouldn’t mind if Edwards went out in the pre-season and threw all two yard passes. If throwing a deep ball means having a receiver come down hard on a rib (Steve Johnson), that’s when I have problems.
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they’ll turn it up a notch when the games count.” Guess what? So will the Bills.
Given Buffalo’s inability to ‘turn it up’ offensively over the past several years I remain firmly in my believe-it-when-I-see-it mode. Yes, TO provides a glimmer of hope that defenses will have to respect the pass in a way they haven’t….but it remains to be seen how it works out in reality.
I hope the entire offensive line is spending just about every waking moment reviewing the thousands of different pressure looks from 3-4 defenses or it won’t matter if TO is on the field or not.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
I gotta believe this organization is smarter than we sometimes give them credit for.
They will be ok this season, not great but good enough to win some games and maybe enough to make a go at the play-offs. They looked good last year until some injuries, and i cannot believe that we are not better than last year. Everyone was high until the last PRE-season game. It will be OK. If not, then we play again next year.
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone"
-Marshawn Lynch-
Great title, Brian. Great reference to the Steelers game last year, too. It really puts the whole preseason into perspective.
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Yes, the Bills looked good in that preseason game. But you know what? They opened the year looking good as well. So far the Bills starters on offensive have played pretty poorly. We can only hope they look entirely different in just about every way imaginable or we’ll be treated to a 56-9 lambasting on national television.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
We can only hope they look entirely different in just about every way imaginable or we’ll be treated to a 56-9 lambasting on national television.
This is the entirety of my point.
- Why is NE a lock to score 56 points when they, too, have struggled MIGHTILY this pre-season?
- How does the possibility to get crushed on the road change in any way if we dominate the Steelers tomorrow?
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing is a lock (56 points etc), but the skeptism comes from the fact that NE has done it before and the Bills have not. NE has won either 10 or 11 games in a row against Buffalo and probably about half of those games were not close. Therefore, for fans (like myself and it sounds like Ron too) we fear Monday night because we see more of the same from the Bills. Therefore, I see two potential things happening. 1 We play awesome and have a coaching blunder or team mistake late costing us the win; or 2. We get blown out by 30+.
Preseason has done nothing to think this year will be any different.
by Berg79 on Aug 28, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Preseason has done nothing to think this year will be any different.
Again, this is my point. Pre-season should NEVER do anything to make someone think things will be different.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
So then why should the starters play at all in preseason?
I guess I don’t understand why we can get excited about players playing well in every training camp practice, get excited about offseason roster moves and draft picks, but when we see the team play in games leading up to the season we can’t be concerned that they haven’t improved? With the rational that everything is meaningless until the season, then why do we all come here everyday…we should just wait until the season starts! The entire last few months were meaningless.
I guess I would be way more sceptical if what we saw in the preseason was vastly different than what we had been seeing on the field the past few years (if the offense was brilliant), but since it is mirroring the results the past few years, it leads me to believe this is not the abbreration.
by StroudFanClub on Aug 28, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you missed the point. My point was that getting excited about practices and pre-season games is the same exact thing as getting pissed at practices and pre-season games. Ultimately, they are meaningless. Yes, they are fun (or, in this case, not fun at all) to talk about, but ultimately, my sole point is saying that what you see in the pre-season should never, ever alter your already-formulated opinions.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not alter your already formulated opinions. But when you are riding the fence on an issue, such as whether Trent can take the next step or whether or not the O-line can jell this year preseason & training camp will push you to one side or the other.
Yep – I, personally, would not roll that way. If I’m on the fence, I’ll stay on the fence until the games count. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
does it really matter?
this year trent is our man, this o-line is our o-line, and our defense is our defense. theres nothing left to prove besides being able to play competently. in the preseason you should look for minimal mistakes and generally competency. the first two games they did that, the last game not so much. is the pitt game gonna suddenly make everyone on here think “OH MY GOD TRENT EDWARDS IS AMAZING!!!” no. not even if he throws for 300 yards and 3 tds, there will still be nay-sayers and it will still come in the preseason, where NO ONE CARES WHAT THE OUTCOME IS.
by silverstreak3k on Aug 29, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait
Your point is that Buffalo needs to do everything different that they are doing it in the preseason in order to be successful in the regular season? What are the odds of that happening? While preseason offenses tend to be bland it’s important that they at least click—something Buffalo failed to do against the Packers. Another bad showing against the Steelers will leave the first team offense, what, a series or two to put it all together before doing it for real on Monday Night football. In Foxboro. On Brady’s ‘miraculous’ return.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
I am definitely not following you, but based on your first sentence, no, I don’t think that’s anywhere near my point.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Most important quote of preseason write-ups
It works both ways. Last pre-season, the Bills played the Steelers in Toronto – and the first-team offense ripped Pittsburgh’s soon-to-be champion defense to shreds. This was a Bills offense that did not, by the way, feature Owens – oh, and Jason Peters was in the midst of a holdout as well. Yet Edwards completed 9 of 11 passes for 104 yards, with two touchdowns to Robert Royal, of all people. He convered a 3rd-and-12 with a 22-yard scramble. What did that exciting performance mean for the offense’s prospects in 2008? Diddly squat. Do you think Steelers fans lost any sleep over their performance, or marveled at that kid wonder quarterback who shredded their defense? I sincerely doubt it.
That was a 3-4, and w still got our asses handed to us by every team in the division…and our offense was bad. I want to see some more positivity, but mostly not losing the ball.
Anyway…I guess you are right that it is meaningless, but for the fans, a TD would be nice
The Bills CAN win any game
for the fans, a TD would be nice
You’ll get zero argument from me on that one. Meaningless or no, scoring touchdowns is fun.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
And yup
it will be a worry until 9-14….and in many a fan’s eyes, still after that. Here’s hoping all of our monday night parties last 4 quarters
The Bills CAN win any game
My 2 cents
While watching pre-season games I look for execution. Not big plays or high scores. Of course you don’t want to turn the ball over in any game or practice. Someone posted earlier regarding our vanilla pre-season offense. Very true. Hard to get a true gauge on how the offense is going to work with playground plays. How many plays have we run with TO, Evans, and Reed on the field together? Plus I think the no huddle will be run a lot faster in the regular season. This will make a huge difference.
Onto the Patriots, I hate them. (Okay I feel better). I agree with Brian. The perception is that they are perfect and untouchable. Every year they get a draft grade “A”, but when you look back, where are their draft picks? I believe I read an article about that topic earlier this month on here.
Maybe it’s because I am a fan, and as Bills fans we are always optimistic going into the season. That’s the beauty of Football, any given Sunday, any given year.
Why not Bobby April?
Ultimately
you can’t convince anyone, anything based on pre-season. The Lions went 4-0 last year in the pre-season. It’s an argument you can win, cuz even if the Bills looked flawless all pre-season, well it’s just pre-season. However, I want to see the offense come out with some swagger for a change. I want to see someone make a freaking play. And the RED zone scares the bejeepers out of me, and I think it would go a long ways for this offense, if they could get down in the Red Zone and produce a TD. Actions speak louder than words, and I don’t care if its pre-season or regular season, it’s still a game and it’s still about beating your opponent.
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Captain Checkdown
The biggest concern should be that the Bills led by Captain Checkdown have only produced 3 points in 3 games whether it is pre-season or not that is unacceptable. Wins or losses shouldn’t matter but the progression of getting better each game should.
The Packer game was just an old fashion ass kicking. This weekends game will tell us a lot about the Bills, another poor performance shouldn’t be shrugged off—-it could be what we might what’s in the future for the up coming season.
Just remember TE was injured quite often when he played in college and only played 1 full year season without getting hurt. Then he sustains a major concussion last year to go along with a shoulder injury and broken foot he suffered in college——maybe just maybe that could be the reason behind the consistent check downs….
some called in Sirius NFL radio
and posed a question using the term “captain Ceckdown” to Marty Shottenheimer about Trent’s unwillingness or inability to throw downfield. I will preface this by saying I too am concerned by the lack of points…
BUT Shotty, whom I do like and admire as a coach did explain that was is being attempted up here is more akin to the 80s 49er offenses where Montana rarely went deep and used high percentage passes to move the ball down the field…he even said, the Bills and Edwards’ main concern is moving the chains, not necessarily throwing deep to Evans or TO.
The Bills CAN win any game
by killascript on Aug 28, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Trent has shown the ability to be successful downfield, he just isn’t all that willing to do it…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2009 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
or able
I’ve heard some arguments that he is missing open guys, and perhaps thats true, but I am not all that sure that our WRs have been open enough downfield to make things happen. Terrible TEs that can’t get open past 5 yards, and only one deep threat. I don’t even care about going deep (yeah I know it keeps defenses honest) I just want to see TDs, no matter how
The Bills CAN win any game
Let 'er rip TE
I remember seeing a replay of a Houston Gamblers game with a young Jim Kelly at the helm. Early in the game, Kelly tossed the ball right into the mitts of a rushing lineman, who intercepted the pass and rumbled into the end zone for a defensive TD. At the time, I thought, what an idiot (to the QB)—this was the worst interception I had ever seen and the DE was a few feet in from to him. Kelly just shook it off and then proceeded to toss 3 TD’s and win the game. This is what always frustrated me about Kelly, but I really miss it now. TE needs a heaping portion of the"I don’t give a SH@#" attitude. He has the talent to make more great plays than bad ones if he seizes the opportunity.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Remember gameplanning
Something to think about…
Belichick gets great results by:
1.) Taking a military like approach to game plans by focusing on the enemy (opponent). I’ve never seen a team modulate their offense/defense as much as the Patriots. Take their offense during 2004 Super Bowl run into consideration. They played the spread against the Jags huge powerful defense, then went completely smash-mouth with 2 TE’s in the AFC Championship game versus Indy’s Tampa-2, then became a west coast team in the Super Bowl against Phily’s 46D. They do the same on defense, ie: they completely switch to the 4-3 when playing Indianapolis in order to place DT’s over the Indy guards (preventing some trapping, etc).
2.) New England then goes and gets players who are intelligent enough to make the mental changes required.
3.) No Patriot ever gets put into a position to do something he can’t do.
Knowing this… why would Jauron come out with anything but a vanilla offense and defense? Why give the Pats more film to study? We know that if Belichick knows what’s coming, he’ll counter it.
Belichick without film to study is like a ho without a street corner. Lost.
Belichick without film to study is like a ho without a street corner. Lost.
And hopefully, like that example, broke…The big issues (if this is true mind you) are how to…
a) Surprise Belichick enough to score points in the first half
b) Counter whatever halftime adjustments he may make while scoring more points
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Belicheat doesn’t wait until halftime to make adjustments. He makes them on the fly, which is one of the primary reasons that the team has done so well.
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by Ron From NM on Aug 28, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
while preseason performances may not be indicative of how the team will play during the regular season, as a fan, you still want to see your team produce. no matter the insignificance of the game, i would much rather see my team produce points and be efficient than not. maybe that performance against Pittsburgh last year didn’t mean much, but i’m sure it helped trent’s and the offense’s confidence; after all, we did start off 5-1. i’m simply of the opinion that good performances will undoubtedly help one’s confidence, regardless of significance of the game.
Always better to win
Its better for mediocre teams to practice scoring and winning games, since winning and having the confidence to win are some of the most difficult things for a team to learn. Thats why I would prefer to see the team score points in the albeit unimportant preseason. The Patriots already know how to win so if they spend their preseason striclty evaluating talent thats their perogative. But the Bills have not learned how to score or win consistently, so I think the team needs to practive that moreso than teams like the Patriots or Steelers. And knowing is half the battle. Or so says GI Joe.
I finally watched the game against GB
and I was really disappointed in the O-Line play. I found that they really sucked. I also found that BJ Raji is an absolute machine, he will be devastating this year. WOW what an impressive DT, there’s a play where they had him take a step then drop back 5-6 into coverage – man for a big guy he can move!
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FEED the BEAST!
I have a solution
Bring back JP — he’s better than the UFL. Grab Preston (he was just released). Willis sure looks like he will be cut from the Ravens. By the way, Peters sure didn’t look like he had his head on straight (that’s odd) in the game I saw him play yesterday. Interestingly, Crowell is still out for the year. And why didn’t we give Clements $90 million?
I respectfully disagree Brian
I think a good offensive series or two will give the young players a boost of confidence – especially the two rookies on the O-line. So far, as Bills, they’ve only witnessed their own inconsistent play that ends the drive and zero TDs. Getting a TD or two will definitely give them some reassurance that all is not lost on the offense with T.O. out. Not to mention, it’ll do some good for Trent to throw for a TD or two. Ultimately – yes I agree that the preseason games don’t count. But I think you’re underplaying the good that could come out of a solid to great performance put forth by the starting offensive unit. Sure the offense right now is as bad as it will ever be, so if they put forth another dud then nothing has changed.
I liked what I saw out of the no-huddle the first two games. Now I want to see it all come together resulting in a TD in the red-zone against the dominant 3-4 defense of Pittsburgh. I think if the starting offense puts up 10-14 points in the first half, it will also go a long ways to calm down the fans a little bit. We all know this is the preseason game that counts the most out of any other preseason game – even though preseason games donot count at all but you know what I mean. And, by chance, we happen to be playing this particular game against an elite defense and an elite team in general that won the superbowl last year. So if we’re able to march up and down the field against them, it will at least give the young guys a glimpse of what they could be if they cut down on the mental mistakes.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Preseaon play doesn't mean anything in the long run
Brian notes our thumping of the Steeler’s #1 D last preseason, well here is another thing to think about.
The Detroit Lions went last season 4-0 in the preseason and looked like a REAL team the whole time, they then went into the regular season and made bad NFL history by being the first 0-16 team, preseason means squat gang.
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by WABillsfan on Aug 28, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The biggest issue with the team is confidence
This team can beat New England, NYJ and Miami.
The defense allowed 20 points to the Pats on the road, and 13 at home. With or without Brady, that’s not bad. And we can run on that defense.
Up to the point Edwards threw the pick-6 to Elam, we were dominating the Jets at home. Go watch the game… you’ll see it. The game in NY speaks for itself. The Jets can’t stop our running game.
The Toronto Miami game another part of the JP Losman joke. But we were up on them in Miami, 16-7 five minutes into the 2nd half. If we don’t put McGee on Ginn, and Peters plays like an All-Pro, we win.
The NE game is huge. If we win that game, the confidence gained will carry through the entire season. Confidence will solve almost every issue that we talk about.
Me? I show nothing in the pre-season for Belichick to use.
Too much blame on Trentative!
I love Edwards as our quarterback. With the offensive line that we have though, I would be a little trentative too, back there. With a strong offensive line, I think we could put Korrupt back there, and he would succeed. I’m just so disappointed that our line hasn’t been addressed for so long. I think we should have made Peters play out his contract. I like some of these young guys we have right now, but they seem a few years away from being ready. Also, why aren’t we using Parrish like Wes Welker? Am I wrong to think that Parrish could be just as productive? I kind of feel as though it is the play calling. Maybe I’m wrong. Go Bills.
Yes.
lso, why aren’t we using Parrish like Wes Welker? Am I wrong to think that Parrish could be just as productive?
Welker has great hands and is always in the right space. Parrish has dropped several passes and doesn’t know the playbook as well as he should. He also can never get adequate separation from defenders. Parrish has never had more than 35 catches in a season… Welker had 67 in his last year in Miami and 29 in his first year. Oh yeah he had 112 and 111 in the last two years.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 28, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
why aren’t we using Parrish like Wes Welker? Am I wrong to think that Parrish could be just as productive?
Substitute Reed for Parish in that sentence, and KTyczka would have a great arguement…I’m hoping that is exactly how we utilize him this year.
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Josh Reed is absolutely nothing like Wes Welker, though.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t think Bill could use Josh in the same way he uses Wes?
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Where they line up would be the only similarity.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 28, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He just doesn't have the lateral quickness nor the vision of Welker
Reed’s hands have come a long way though and he is solid in catching the ball, but there really is no one else like Welker in the NFL with his combination of skills, talents and offense designed to make him a chain moving bad ass
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Parrish
The Bills need to put Parrish in motion instead of the majority of times splitting him out wide where a defender can get his hands on him at the line of scrimmage. In motion he has a running start and would be harder to contain.

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