Bell Evoloving into Bills Left Tackle of Choice
Direct quote from Tim Graham's latest blog post:
"Sources close to the team tell me there's a growing belief among some coaches on Dick Jauron's staff that Demetrius Bell should be the left tackle when the regular season opens Sept. 14 against the New England Patriots."
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… oh God, that’s terrifying.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To clarify. It’s not terrifying that they like Bell or are worried about Walker. It’s terrifying because Jauron has already named his starting line, and now suddenly there’s dissent. Dissent is bad.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he’s the best player at the position – then roll with it
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by J2 on Aug 28, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes indeed
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by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2009 5:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bell can supplant Walker by week 8, or if Butler holds to form and gets injured, earlier
If Butler goes down I have to admit to wanting to have Bell blind side and Walker back at RT to help keep things in check. Heck, rotate Bell and Chambers if need be.
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by WABillsfan on Aug 28, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Dissent is good. Dissent with weak leadership is bad.
Dissent with strong leadership means all options are presented because people are thinking, knowing their opinion will get consideration.
by Der Jaeger on Aug 28, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t think dissent is automatically bad. It depends on the situation. If some coaches think Bell is better and it’s been discussed openly behind closed doors and DJ has still decided to stick with Walker, that’s OK. If coaches are talking to each other (and the media) behind DJ’s back, that’s a big problem.
by kaisertown on Aug 28, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If coaches are talking to each other (and the media) behind DJ’s back, that’s a big problem.
How ironic it would be if there was some sort of team meltdown this year and T.O. had nothing to do with it…
I’d laugh hysterically if it were some other team.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 28, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might laugh hysterically either way.
by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 28, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we think they would move Walker back to Right Tackle and put Butler on the bench?
by Circle the Wagons88 on Aug 28, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, and this is just me, I think they’d let Walker ride the pine.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be hard to put Walker on the bench
But if not you would have to do more moving around, not just a replacement.
Ideally it would be:
Bell-Wood-Hang-Buttler-Walker
but more moving would be involved
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by billsoferie on Aug 28, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. And as there is, in fact, more moving involved, I don’t see how in any way that is ideal.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If its getting the best lineup on the field, I’d say its ideal!!
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by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2009 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
And if we were getting the best lineup on the field any time but within two weeks of the season, yeah, it’d be ideal. The timing is terrible – which is why I can’t believe we’ll see Bell starting any time soon.
Let’s not forget that this is not a universal belief.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we have an injury along the OL, we have to roll with what we’ve got and get ready ASAFP. I don’t see why 2 weeks wouldn’t be enough.
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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you play to win the game
if Bell is the best LT, so be it. The best coaches and organizations are the ones that constantly make changes to get better, even if they have to admit they were wrong. Disent isn’t bad, playing the wrong guy is bad
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by MARVelous on Aug 28, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So true
But also exactly what DJ and Co. are bad at.
by Renegade23 on Aug 28, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And playing him for too long, as well….
This team always waits too long to admit mistakes…
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by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2009 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Wah-woo-wee-wah!
Well, let the best man win!
If he progresses and is better, fine. But, if there is decent and its a point of argument that could be trouble as Brian states above.
However, nothing wrong with dialogue, and if Walker isn’t getting it done, than he might need a kick in the ass
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by killascript on Aug 28, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait
does this mean he starts against Pitt? wouldnt that help decide this dilemma? or if the coaching staff just gonna keep doing what they have been doing and let the “starters” run with the first team no matter how good someone is doing??
by silverstreak3k on Aug 28, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bell hurt his back. I don’t know if he’s playing, does anyone know?
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by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2009 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
ah yea
i forgot about that. i wonder if hes made enough of a recovery to play. well he can still run the first team in the last game?? maybe?
by silverstreak3k on Aug 28, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He already has been ruled out for Saturday night’s exhibition against the Pittsburgh Steelers at Heinz Field.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 28, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well we didn’t see this coming… I mean the dissatisfaction with Walker at LT. Oh wait, this was obvious from a mile away. The coaches were kidding themselves believing Walker could handle LT! The fact that they’re waffling right now is an indictment on Walker more than it is a compliment to Bell.
If Bell is the better option, we have to go with him ASAFP. No sense in waiting for Walker to fail before making a move.
Ugh this team is always such a mess, led by these coaches.
Why didn’t they just make it an open competition, let the best man win???
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by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2009 5:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
When walker fails
it may mean Trent breaks…and even if not everyone likes him…the options aren’t better…the team breaks and fails
The Bills CAN win any game
by killascript on Aug 28, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Bell is the better option, we have to go with him ASAFP. No sense in waiting for Walker to fail before making a move
I say that about sums it up
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by J2 on Aug 28, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus
if he’s a better option now, and can playt tomorrow, let him start the next to games to be ready on the 14th…if not, you need the most prepared for mon night
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by killascript on Aug 28, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Project
they drafted Bell as a project, if this is how far the project has come along put him in, flip walker over to RT, have Butler as a utility back up on the line. As mess up as this sounds, i trust the coaching this year more then any cause it’s there ass on the line, they need to win now!!!
by J. Mackin on Aug 28, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bell-Wood-Hang-Butler-Walker
LT Bell—a downgrade from last year
RG Wood—less experienced (more prone to errors?) but far more effort, I’d call it a push at worst…and likely to be an upgrade in the second half of the season
C Hang—a clear upgrade from last year simply due to the fact that Fowler and Preston are both gone
RG Butler—the same player in the same position from last year? It’s a push
RT Walker—back at his former position and one in which he did a decent job; it’s a push
So, in this alignment we’d expect to see worse play at one position (LT), the same play at two positions (RG, RT) and improved play at two positions (LG, C). That doesn’t terrify me. We were already looking at worse play at one position (Walker at LT), likely a push at one position (Leviter at LG), better play at one posiiton (Hang at C), improved play at one position (Wood at RG) and what was looking like worse play at another position (Butler at RT).
I’d actually feel a bit better about the line if they went with Bell-Wood-Hang-Butler-Walker.
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by Ron From NM on Aug 28, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Levels of change
Simple change: Bell for Walker
Complex change:
Bell-Wood-Hangartner-Butler-Walker
Most Complex Change (but best in my mind):
Bell-Levitre-Wood-Butler-Walker
Me? I go with the simple change and see what happens. Though I do like Wood at center better than guard.
by Der Jaeger on Aug 28, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There it is – I think this is the one I agree with the most.
Levitre has been getting a bad rap for one not so great play vs. the Titans. I’d love to see them at least try to develop this as the line. Too late now for success at the beginning of the season, but I’m not anticipating huge success early anyway.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 28, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now 0% of the line is slated to play at the same positions as last year—with either Bell or Walker at LT. With Butler at RG and Walker at RT 40% of the line is playing at the same positions as last year. How is 60% change more complex than 100% change?
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by Ron From NM on Aug 28, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but you’re forgetting two things.
1. Buffalo’s coaching staff wants Butler at tackle. They think his talents are better utilized there.
2. We’ve spent an entire training camp and three pre-season games with the current line. It’s not like it’s going to be a breeze switching them back.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it won’t be easy but Jauron has shuffled the line in mid-season with just a bye week to work out the kinks. Right now there are 3 weeks to try to get it right. I’d rather see the Bills make a switch now (if they’re going to make one at all) rather than wait until either the bye week or for Edwards to be killed.
By the way, PFT has the story up as well. They label it as the coaches wanting to bench Walker outright.
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by Ron From NM on Aug 28, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep – I said the same thing above.
Jauron made the mid-season switch, yes, but he did it in his first season on the job. He had job security then. I highly doubt history would repeat itself.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make a good point about job security. However, it goes both ways. If Jauron doesn’t think that Walker can do the job he might be motivated to make the switch now because he has nothing to lose.
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by Ron From NM on Aug 28, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s exactly how this situation should be viewed, IMO.
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by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2009 9:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
it didn’t work, in that the team and line did still struggle. If he just switches the one piece, why not do it right away, especially if the coaches feel that not only is it no different in terms of play, Walker vs Bell, but beneficial.
Not to mention, Walker would give us security when someone goes down; Butler being injured on occasion
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by killascript on Aug 29, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re correct, to an extent. Compared to last years line, your analysis is right.
The team has practiced with their new OL positions all off-season and training camp. What I was referring to was, compared to their work over the past 4 months getting settled into new line positions, this is the simple change.
by Der Jaeger on Aug 28, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d actually feel a bit better about the line if they went with Bell-Wood-Hang-Butler-Walker.
I agree with this, particularly to begin the season.
by Pistol on Aug 28, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wood has never played on the left side.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 28, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s probably the least of my concerns with that line. Are there examples of players that can play RG but not LG (or vice versa)?
Guards are interchangable to me.
by Pistol on Aug 28, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mute
Bell has injured his back, very painful. This is a mute point if he can not play. If he does play and start the season I would like to see the line-up look like this: LT-Bell LG-Walker C-Wood RG-Levitrie RT-Butler. I like wood at his most dominate position taking on NT’s.
by Greg in UT on Aug 28, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hangartner was not signed in FA to sit on the bench.
If anything, I would see Levitre, Walker or Butler riding the pine before Hang-man.
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by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Aug 28, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is both surprising and not surprising at the same time. I’m definitely surprised that somebody on Buffalo’s staff would actually tell TIm Graham that they think Bell is better, especially considering that Bell is hurt. No way will Buffalo switch things up for now. Walker’s got at least a couple regular season games before DJ would bench him.
I couldn’t be less surprised to see that the decision to move their very average RT to LT is probably going to fail.
by kaisertown on Aug 28, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I saw this coming when I heard that Bell got a series with the first team offense last game. I know it is hard to judge Walker in the preseason but he has looked like he doesn’t even care what happens… And Eventually they were most likely going to do the switch, I like Walker as a person, but I don’t think he is mean enough for my liking, haha….
by Ghetts on Aug 28, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I suspect that the plan was to have Bell start at LT next season, and this would just be accelerating that.
by Pistol on Aug 28, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bills spell it with a "J"
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by Joe P. on Aug 29, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t put Walker on the bench, if you do i would cut him and save some money cuz i know he gets a lot. Its funny, how we invested like 80 mil in Dockery and Walker that year to upgrade our line, and we had one cut and some 7th round pick going to take the others job, o boy good work there again.
by csc06258 on Aug 28, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So we should go with even less depth on the OL?
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by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2009 9:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Walker’s not going anywhere.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 28, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walker gives good depth, and given Butler’s injury history it would make sense to keep him on board.
Its funny, how we invested like 80 mil in Dockery and Walker that year to upgrade our line, and we had one cut and some 7th round pick going to take the others job, o boy good work there again.
You know what I think is funny about that. You seem to be criticizing the team for spending the money on those guys, but you also seem to be giving them no credit whatsoever for finding a gem in the 7th round. Or am I reading that wrong?
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by sireric on Aug 28, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well are you calling D-bell a gem? i wouldn’t call him a gem yet. I wouldn’t even call J Peters a gem, he is highly overrated for the money he got, there are better tackles in the league than him. I do like that they actually spent money, but again on guys who weren’t sure bets. If they signed Orlando Pace, you know what your getting, just like with T.O, you know what your getting. Signing a Dockery is like o he was pretty good for the redskins, so wll give him 60 mil. Thats a bad choice. Now if you were giving 60 mil to a guy like orlando pace, I would agree. I agree on giving Owens the money. But spending 60 mil on Dockery and 25 Mil on another “who is this guy” in Walker I wouldn’t do. I hope Bell turns out good and he is a gem, but if your going to start him, cut Walker (who roughly gets 5 mil a year) and get some other guy for “depth” for a lot less expenive. Then you can use the saved money on saving guys like Mcgee or getting new players or hey maybe a GOOD coach next year ;)
by csc06258 on Aug 29, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that year they went out and signed the two best OL in the free agent class to shore up a major weakness. If they hadn’t people would have complained. Now they’re complaining in retrospect. Hence why I would never want to work in the NFL.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 29, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that is true, then maybe it isn't the players fault :-P
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by Joe P. on Aug 29, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your right they did sign the best lineman out there, problem is they weren’t that good and your probably right that we would have never gotten them if we didn’t pay them that money. Unfortunately, they weren’t worth close to what they are getting paid. I guess thats just part of the business. Thing is, I wouldn’t drop that kind of money in FA on anyone unless you know that are really that good. guys like Dockery and Walker even tho considered the best in FA are not worth that kind of money. Let the Redskins pay crazy money for all those players. They do it every year in FA and they end up sucking every year.
by csc06258 on Aug 29, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team............
is a disaster.
Its gonna be a long year :-(
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 28, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think we have good team players
its just both of our lines….they are under-achieving right now. but with maybin in the fold and the possibility of moving bell to LT and butler to RT, the o line would improve. so it might not be as bad as you think……
by silverstreak3k on Aug 28, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team is a disaster, and there’s potential for it to get worse. Luckily, expectations are low so anything above the status quo might mean a successful year. But we know one thing, current leadership is leading us nowhere.
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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2009 12:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
What the heck man?
Current leadership has done a better job than Donohoe ever did. I don’t think expectations are low, I think they are pretty high actually. Normally your arguments are based in reality so this comment seems out of place for you. All offseason they have been addressing everything you have asked them to address between adding a speed rushing DE, adding pieces to the O Line, bringing in a quality #2 WR and now they are talking about doing something incredibly gutsy at this point in the year and you are bashing them for it? If they had rode Walker to the bitter end you would have complained that they didn’t have the cajones to make the switch. If they change to Bell you complain that current leadership is leading us nowhere. They are certainly trying their best with all those changes.
For the record, I didn’t wake up on the wrong side of the bed today and am not in a pissy mood. I just think it’s silly to say something like “current leadership is leading us nowhere” where they are changing what hasn’t worked and moving towards a better team every day.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 29, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must admit, it is possible that the current FO seems to get it,
but Eeyore, Freewill, and Turk-key …… not so much.
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by Joe P. on Aug 29, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t get how the FO is structured? Jauron is part of that FO. He is a main decision maker as far as personnel goes. This team has his hand prints all over it.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 29, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get that. Maybe Jauron would be better at the FO part of the job,
because I don’t think he is good at the coaching part, specifically on game day.
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by Joe P. on Aug 29, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MRW: I agree w. Kurupt. Expectations are low b/c very few Bills fans have faith in the coaching staff. I think most would agree the talent is in place to at least be a wildcard team but coaching is holding us back.
by Berg79 on Aug 29, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could say the talent is there to be a wild card team but if Trent plays well, we are a wild card team.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 29, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trent can play well and we could still finish 7-9….
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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could happen. But IMHO if Trent plays well everything else will fall into place. The defense will play better. The offense will put points on the board. I just see it leading to more wins if he plays like he did vs. San Diego or Seattle more often than not.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. I think that DJ is a great developper. no one can contend that he has brought in A LOT of talent to this team and, on paper, greatly improved it since he took over at HC. The being said, he doesn`t seem to be able to bring that talent together in away significant way.
I say keep him as part of the FO, let him keep on being a great talent scout, but give the HC job to someone else.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 30, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if they are doing a better job than Donohoe, can’t it still be a mess?
I’m not bashing them for making this move, I want them to make this move. I think Walker is destined to fail, and potentially get Trent hurt. If some of the coaches feel Bell is better right now, I’d be going with him.
The team is a mess because expecting a mediocre RT to succeed at LT was just ridiculously crazy. Now some coaches want a move made so close to the season. This isn’t something they saw coming when many Bills could predicted it?
And I was talking about coaches anyways. Nothing to do with who they did or didn’t bring in as FA’s.
I’m sorry, but I cannot not envision Jauron leading this team anywhere. I think he’s a terrible HC, even if he might be a good coach in general, and have even less faith in Schonert. That’s current leadership, isn’t it?
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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez
I need to proofread.
This isn’t something they saw coming when many Bills fans could predicted it?
I’m sorry, but I cannot not envision Jauron leading this team anywhere.
~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll leave Schonert alone for right now. He was a first year coach.
I can understand your lack of faith in Jauron. He hasn’t done anything great other than the 13-3 miracle in Chicago.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 29, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s more than just looking at the surface too. I hate his schemes, hate his style of play, hate the decisions he makes and really hate the way his players play flat, timid and weak almost every week.
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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I despise any coach who plays the game of "Not to Lose"
You never get very far in the NFL doing it that way, oh yeah, you get 3 straight 7-9 seasons with that style of play.
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by WABillsfan on Aug 29, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
better to acknowledge the inevitable train wreck now, helps lessen the pain when it finally happens. Ralph should make Bill Cowher the highest paid coach in history, whatever it takes. Then give him absolute control over every aspect of the team.
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by dzil on Aug 29, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Bills make the playoffs this year (which, believe it or not is still a possibility) I’d love to hear what all you doom and gloom guys will have to say then. Inevitable train wreck? Why even watch the games if you’re so certain we have no chance? Right now though, I wish you’d at least acknowledge that the season hasn’t even started yet.
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by TEMSON on Aug 29, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude i can’t believe you don’t see this team is not good. You really think they are going to beat the Patriots or better yet the Dolphins for the division…. they are not! They only chance is for a wild card and problem is they have to win 10 games for that (maybe 12 in the patriots case) and by the looks of the schedule… it looks a lot harder than lasts year. Yea, the season hasn’t started and their not out of it yet, but you can’t possibly believe this team has a “good” shot to make it, not with the same coaching staff and players. I hope your right and we do, but just look at this team and the coaching staff, its not very probable.
by csc06258 on Aug 29, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t say this team was good, I didn’t say it was bad. All I said is it would be nice if you guys stopped talking about the season like it was already over. I don’t care if you think it’s not probable that we’ll make the playoffs – it just bugs me a bit when people say things like “inevitable” “no hope” etc etc.
As for the “they have no chance because they have the same coaching staff and PLAYERS” – do I really need to point out that the players AREN’T the same?
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by TEMSON on Aug 29, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do I really need to point out that the players AREN’T the same?
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 29, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not everyone has a negative view like you do. While you see a team full of rookies and suspect players, I see a team that will get better as the year goes on, hopefully sooner rather then later. What you see as being realistic I see as being pessimistic and having no faith in the team. You are of course entitled to your opinion, as am I, and TEMSON is as well. If he wants to believe that the Bills have a chance to beat the Patriots on opening night, then that is his right to do so.
Yea, the season hasn’t started and their not out of it yet, but you can’t possibly believe this team has a "good" shot to make it, not with the same coaching staff and players.
I’m sure fans of the Cardinals were saying some of the same things last year, and while I’m not saying the Bills will make the Super Bowl, the point is anything is possible, and you should respect other right to think that way if they so wish.
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by sireric on Aug 29, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s not the same players. We addressed our inadequacies in the WR corps by signing a HOF wideout. We bolstered the interior by drafting two guys in the first two rounds. We also started to make the pass rush better by adding a speed rusher.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 29, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think its more of them liking walker at RT, and Butler back at his old position...
i think its more of an issue of them not being happy or content w/ Butler on the right side. also they figure that Walker is very solid at the Right tackle position, and Butler was solid last year at the RGuard position, and that’s why it makes sense for Bell to be inserted at LT….
nOW if they can make some damn adjustments to that Defensive line and remove kelsay and implement Bryan or Ellis than i know there trying to win this year..and by the way Ashlee Palmer will make the team, the kid is too talented to even put on the practice squad…..
by kbills05 on Aug 28, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Butler was blown up a couple of times (at least) vs. GB. If Bell is healthy and somewhat ready, they’ll then have their right side in tact from last year (RG – Butler and RT – Walker, who by most accounts were at least good in run blocking, steady but not spectacular), an upgrade at C, a better LG (or will be somewhere this season), and a LT with the potential to be very good – and really can’t ‘t be too much worse than Peters played last year. Granted the Bell/Wood Left is a little scary, but really…is it going to matter when they’re pre-destined for 7 – 9?
by Malfimus on Aug 29, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheerio, Cheerio Chaps
This whole line reshuffling was an absurdity from the get-go. The right side of the line was its strength last year, though still barely above average at best. If you were keeping those two players, why, why, why would you move each of them to more challenging positions when they were barely competent as it was???? This was bound to be a failure. It was simple, get Hang to upgrade center (which was their plan), draft a good guard (which they did with Wood) and find a way to get a decent left tackle (trade, FA, whatever) until Bell was ready.
I love the team, but worst coaching staff in the league. Utterly incompetent.
by thejimbo on Aug 29, 2009 12:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s a great point. Expecting average players to excel in tougher roles is along the same lines of expecting something different out of our putrid pass rushers.
Making as few moves along the OL as possible would probably have been the wisest decision, but this staff hasn’t shown the chops to make consistent competent decisions….
~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2009 12:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Worst coaching staff?
I’d say you are right…but only if Jauron broke Fewell’s jaw. But yeah, if they just would have been gone in January, alot of this crap would have been avoided. Maybe we don’t have T.O., and maybe some other things don’t happen, but who knows….we could have had Cutler among other things, and at least a glimmer of hope that the coach would know when to challenge a play, when to call a timeout, and how to make mid game adjustments….Go Bills?
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by killascript on Aug 29, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you even know any other coaching staffs or is your “worst coaching staff in the league” comment based, as it seems, on nothing.
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by TEMSON on Aug 29, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad idea, at least right now it is. If the line needs shuffling mid-season, then do it. But I do not want the team to start the season ESPECIALLY against the New England Patriots with 3 men on the line with a combined 0 games of NFL experience, since two of them will be lining up next to each other on Trentative’s blindside. That and Levitre would have to forget the cohesion he has with Langston and get used to Bell in a little over 2 weeks. Soon, hopefully, but this would not be a good way to start off the season.
by NJBillsfan on Aug 29, 2009 1:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, this doesn’t really flabbergast me at all, as Langston isn’t exactly well-built for LT (simply too big and lengthy and lacks superior athleticism that is required against the speed rushers), and Bell has developed rapidly the last many months. In addition, Bell certainly has the perfect built for LT (6-5, 320 pounds) and has very fluid hips and is a natural knee-bender, which is a predicate I can’t say of Langston. I consider it highly unlikely that the coaching staff puts him on the bench until at least into mid-season, although they may very well be rushed to making the switch, if Walker struggles as extensively as many of us expect/fear.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Aug 29, 2009 3:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can I just remind everyone
that as bad as Jauron has been, or we fear he will be, if or when he leaves the club at the end of the season he will be leaving a club that is ten times better than than the one he arrived at.
I agree they made have made a mistake shifting Walker to LT and Butler to RT, but I think they have always been planning to bring bell in at LT at some point during the season so it made little sense to draft someone or bring in a free agent.
I do worry though about having two players on the left side with so little experience.
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by gregeng on Aug 29, 2009 3:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is a product of the FO bring in players not Jauron’s coaching. Last year’s schedule was so easy. A 7-9 season is absurd with your talent.
by Berg79 on Aug 29, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, so which is it?!?
You said it is not Jauron’s coaching, but going 7-9 was absurd with the talent…..So coaching or lack of talent!?!?!
~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa Whoa Whoa!
So a 7th round draft choice who’s never played in a regular season game is outplaying a seasoned veteran, and would have to protect our injury prone QB’s blind side? And if he wins the job will mean the majority of our O-line has never even played a regular season game before?
I’m all for this in the long run, but people who think we’re going to win now are out of their minds.
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by BillsNYC on Aug 29, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most realistic Bills fans realize this is going to be a very long season.
by Berg79 on Aug 29, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This situation/issue...
…is an example of why I hope the league sticks with 4 pre-season and 16 regular season games, rather than 2 & 18. The better teams already have the advantage of better players or coaches or both, and are presumably already more settled in with their schemes and personnel deployments. They would gain even more advantage if lesser lights like the Bills have even less time to try to organize their themselves into the most coherent team possible, under the circumstances.
by Gino Parilli on Aug 29, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Evoloving?
What’s an evoloving?
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