Pre-season struggles continue for Bills' Edwards
by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintWho are you, not-so-great quarterback, and what have you done with the Trent Edwards of Weeks 1-7, 2008? Would you mind dropping him off, like, ASAP?
The Buffalo Bills' first team offense has scored three points through four pre-season games. They have struggled to run the ball, throw the ball, protect the ball, and win individual matchups. No matter your views on the importance of pre-season football, or how deeply you let meaningless football games dampen your spirits, Buffalo's offense has been beyond ugly, particularly over the past two weeks.
Edwards, entering his second full season as the starting quarterback, has been at the center of the downfall. "Regression" is a dirty word when talking about NFL players. You'll hear it more and more if Edwards continues to play the way he has this pre-season.
Stats don't do it justice, but we'll start there
Edwards, on 15 legitimate drives through four games, has completed 26 of 38 passes for 189 yards, with no touchdowns, three interceptions, and a passer rating of 46.9. He has been sacked five times, losing a fumble on one of those sacks. He has looked uncomfortable in the pocket, indecisive with the ball in his hands, and streaky with his accuracy.
Yeah. It's pretty much been a perfect storm of overall suckitude - and an argument can be made that he has looked worse every time a new game starts.
For me - not necessarily an eternal optimist, but moreso a guy who doesn't freak out over every tiny detail, and struggles to understand those who do - by far the most disconcerting stat has not been mentioned yet. Edwards is completing 68 percent of his throws. Not bad, right? I suppose not. But exactly 5 of his 26 completions have gained more than ten yards. I'll say that again - five of Edwards' passing plays have gained more than ten yards. They are listed below.
HoF Game (TEN): Edwards completes to Terrell Owens, 16 yards, first down
HoF Game (TEN): Edwards completes to Terrell Owens, 11 yards, first down
Week 2 (CHI): Edwards completes to Lee Evans, 36 yards, first down
Week 3 (at GB): Edwards completes to Fred Jackson, 13 yards, first down
Week 4 (at PIT): Edwards completes to Dominic Rhodes, 16 yards, first down
Forty percent of those "big" (for lack of a better term this early in the morning) passing plays came on the one drive that Mr. Owens has thus far participated in. That should, at a minimum, tell you something about his presence. The fact that 81 percent of Edwards' completions have gained less than ten yards (or, in some cases, resulted in yardage lost), should tell you something about how putrid the quarterback play has been, as well.
Is this what we should expect?
I've gone on record as stating that Owens' presence - or lack thereof - is being severely understated throughout the offensive fiasco we've witnessed over the last month. There is little doubt in my mind that having two receivers that defenses have to give a second thought to will assist the passing game in ways previously unimagined. That's made clearer by the stat above. So, at least to my mind, this is not what we should expect from the offense, and from a production standpoint with Edwards, once Owens comes back to the lineup. A healthy Owens doesn't "fix" the offense, but he certainly makes life easier for everyone else.
I'm having a harder time getting to the point where I can say that we can expect different decision-making and poise from Edwards. I'm not overly worried about the turnovers - those have not been a huge problem in the regular season. I'm concerned about Edwards' mindset with the ball in his hands. Last night in Pittsburgh, he looked like a little kid on the first day of kindergarten in the pocket. Any feel for avoiding contact and creating throwing lanes he once had seems to have been rattled out of him. Forget about everything else, and worry most about this singular fact: right now, Edwards is no longer a poised quarterback.
That's made all the more apparent when a guy like Ben Roethlisberger is across the field. Roethlisberger is second to none when it comes to avoiding the pass rush and extending plays. On one occasion on Saturday evening alone, Roethlisberger ducked a ferocious pass rush from DE Chris Ellis, scrambled to the left out of the pocket, and floated a pass to TE Heath Miller over coverage for a big gain. That is a play that Roethlisberger makes routinely, and it's also a play that Edwards never makes. He is not poised enough to pull something like that off. He has not shown the ability to be a playmaker; he has not shown that he can trick his way out of a bad play by making something happen on his own.
The ultimate bottom line
I've spent the entire off-season linking Edwards' success to the team's success. One cannot happen without the other. This team will go as Edwards goes.
Blame it on the offensive line if you want. I'm not buying it. You're not going to have perfect protection every play, and if your quarterback isn't poised enough to take advantage of a clean pocket or make something happen/avoid disaster when the play breaks down, the line isn't close to being your biggest problem.
I mentioned above that I'm not a guy who freaks out over every little detail. It's pretty clear that Edwards still gives this team the best chance to win on Sundays. I'm nowhere near proclaiming the 2009 season a lost cause, nor am I making plans to watch every Oklahoma, Texas, Florida and Mississippi game I can this year. This team, in my mind (and it's a mind whose sanity I'm sure many of you will question), still has a chance to be good this year. But it's only a chance, and it's only ever been a chance. The chances become smaller if we don't get significantly improved play from Trent Edwards. That is, unfortunately, the sad reality of the situation - Edwards will really, truthfully, make or break the 2009 season.
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He's Shot
He lost his confidence last year and has not gotten it back.
It’s pretty clear that Edwards still gives this team the best chance to win on Sundays.
Are you sure? I watch other games and see a completely different level of play. He’s terrible right now.
- the interception to Reed
- the duck line of scrimage pass to Reed
- the refusal to throw on time or down field
- the first pitch he threw out at the baseball game
His head is shot and I don’t think he gives us the best chance to win. Not saying our other options give us a good shot, but he’s bad.
Agreed
I don’t care what people say, Trent has just not seemed the same ever since that concussion last year. I hate to say it folks, but we may be looking at the next Joey Harrington. What a shame.
JH was a first rounder (3rd pick). You cannot compare the two.
Also, JH was on a detroit team with absolutely no running game to speak of and a bunch of rooky receivers that aren’t even playing for Detroit anymore, so I disagree with the comparison. Plus JH never looked as bad as what Trent looked like last night.
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Does it matter where someone is drafted? An NFL QB is an NFL QB is it not? Same goes for the receivers & running game. They are all good enough to be on an NFL roster so draft position is irrelevant. Where was Jerry Rice drafted? So I guess he sucks now? I was simply making the comparison from a confidence standpoint. Once a QB loses it, it is very difficult to regain.
he wasn't that good before the concussion!
He has no “good” games against any quality apponnents. His early season success last year proved out to be against the NFL’s bottom dwellers. For as smart as he is supposed to be, he apparently gets easily confused by any defense that might be half way decent.
They should bring back JP, at least it was fun to watch him scramble around before HE got sacked!
He had a “great” game against the Chagers, someone you could consider a quality opponent. And that game was after his concussion.
He was 25 of 30 for 261 yards and a TD. Personally, I think it was his best game of the year.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
One good game against the second worse passing D in the league. Will that go on his headstone?!?!
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he’s the only guy we have to play qb for us. what is criticizing going to do? worse case scenario, for him, is he gets replaced along with most or all of obd. best case scenario, he gets another shot under a different regime. i’ve come to realize that all we can do as fans is support the players we have, whether we like them or not., and hope for the best outcome.
the first pitch he threw out at the baseball game
Remember when I said I don’t freak out over every little detail? That would be one such detail. :)
I wouldn’t say “he’s shot,” either. But it’s definitely not looking good.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, he stinks and I hope the Edwards lovers soon realize it. Fitz will probably start after week 4 even tho he is not good either.
Please don’t say “Edwards lovers.” A) It’s condescending, and B) he has a girlfriend.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't blame the guy......"Man Love" for more than one player has been declared here on several occasions ;-)
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
Fitz won’t start ahead of Edwards if he is healthy. They have made their bed and they will lie in it good, bad, or otherwise.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet Jauron would switch to Fitz if we start 0-5 or something. That’s his nature.
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if we go 0-5
Jauron won’t be there anymore
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I doubt that. But you’re allowed to dream. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 31, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I desperately want this coaching staff to stick with Trent…and I’m relatively sure they will. I’m just afraid of Trent getting a little banged up, Fitzy playing well enough not to lose and Jauron sticking with Fitzy to try and save his job putting the franchise in reverse AGAIN.
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by Scrumtrulescent on Aug 30, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions
Oh, you don’t need to worry about Edwards losing his job unless it’s due to injury. The play would have to be beyond abysmal, and if a switch is ever made consciously, the current regime will be done at that point. So too will the season.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Why can't the same be said about the O-Line
Earlier this week, the D. Bell, L. Walker story came out. This would be very similar to Trent losing his job. For that matter switching to the more common traditional style offense. This statement “Unless it’s due to injury” could leave an ugly taste in peoples mouths.
Time for some backyard football
The only way Edwards is going to get his confidence back is by being successful. He has to learn how to force the ball down field and into small windows. Line up the first string offense vs the 2nd string defense with the following rules.
1. Pass plays only
2. All passes must be throw over 10 yds.
3. At least one pass per set of downs must be over 20 yds
4. Trent calls all of the plays, no “help” from the coaches.
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
5. Taking a sack results in 50 pushups
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
and a 2.5 second clock
Don’t know how many were ever at Fredonia for the Kelly/Levy years, but I remember them using a 2.5 second clock at times to make sure the offense got the ball out quickly…
Ahem, and the opposing D MUST MUST MUST be playing a freaking 3-4, no more practices against our standard 4-3
I swear to the football gods that is what DJ has them do daily, practice against a 4-3 because it sure doesn’t look like they are practicing for the 3-4.
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Here’s the thing… right now they are playing against the first team defense or at least they were in training camp. Your first team defense needs to practice as a team, too. Once they get the scout team established – who is going to make the team and who isn’t – they will be able to practice against the 3-4 more.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 31, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter, our D is all set, when kept the Steelers to 17 total points
Our O obviously needs to work against the D we will see a minimum of half the season.
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OK but trying to figure out which of your backups fit into your system requires them to play, ya know, your system instead of a 3-4. It will change when the season starts.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 31, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
kept the Steelers to 17 total points
Was that our defense or the Steelers two unforced fumbles?
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
well it was only 10.
the pick 6 wasn’t on our Defense. Plus Kyle Williams forced the first
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by J2 on Sep 3, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Could be
You have to have a decent offense first for the no huddle to be effective. I’m not saying that this offense can’t be effective. But it takes time. And it looks to me like the coaching staff may be putting the cart before the horse. Which in turn can further hamper the development of the offense by crushing their confidence. I agree with Joe P. They need to get back to basics until they can prove to be effective. Then and only then try the no huddle. I just hope it’s not too late for Trent. Once a QB’s confidence is gone, it may never come back (see Joey Harrington reference above).
I got it, The proof is already there from last year.
Trent’s performance is so poor against the 3-4 defense. You know, the defense he never sees until game time, Because it is never practiced against. Not only is Trent consistent against it, but so isn’t the play calling. Our remedy is Terrell Owens. One player making the entire team great. That my folks is T.O. football. Right if front of our eyes. No wonder the guy has acted they way he has in his career. Sarcasm intended.
In golf, its called the yipps
and it has ended the careers of some very good players.
Do the Bills have a sports psychologist on the staff? A lot of top soccer teams use one. It might only make a small difference, but that difference can be the difference between winning and losing. Just ask any Arsenal fans! hehe
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I don’t think so personally. It’s not like they are rushing through the no huddle. It’s when the play is being run that he’s having his problems. Lining guys up without going into a huddle isn’t his problem… not to me anyways.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Not only does the offense suck . . .
. . . it sucks in a hurry. I’m now in favour of ditching all our veteran defensive players on merciful grounds, not wanting to see them carried off the field in mid-season from heat exhaustion or heart attacks after having to play a full game’s worth of minutes by the end of the first half. That’s a young man’s game.
On a more serious note related to this post, with regard to the “R” word (regression): Jump on me all you want, but Edwards is starting to remind me of Losman. I really believed in Losman longer than most people I know. But after showing some promise he just kept getting consistently worse. I didn’t think it was possible for a young quarterback to lose it so fast, but by the end he was useless, and playing much worse than he ever had before. If Edwards follows the same trajectory (and I really hope he doesn’t), you’ve gotta start looking at what the coaches are doing.
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Not only does the offense suck . . . it sucks in a hurry.
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by Joe P. on Aug 30, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have to agree that Edwards’ recent bout of ineptness has reminded me of a former Bills QB: Rob Johnson. The confusion, the tentativeness… I think he can get through it, but the coaching staff HAS to change their approach with him. Whatever they’ve been doing isn’t working.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 30, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
think of it this way
with the defense playing so much, they can only improve! the more experience they get, the better they will be next year with a competent coach! imagine a much more experienced maybin, poz and leo……and it could do wonders for developing players such as corner, lankster and byrd. just keep stroud out of it, he knows enough and the next def coord will want him to be in good shape. same goes with the “other” aaron.
by silverstreak3k on Aug 30, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Does the fact that the Tight End not being a factor at All in the offense
Is our way of countering the 3-4 defense? I believe Schouman had one catch. I would have to watch again, but one catch, one target to the tight end is this how we counter the 3-4 pass rush?
well when you only have the ball for such a little amount of time
its hard to get a bunch of targets to anyone really….
by silverstreak3k on Aug 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure anymore
It’s pretty clear that Edwards still gives this team the best chance to win on Sundays.
Know what? A backup QB (Fitzpatrick) whose arm and throwing strength we questioned just a few weeks ago, threw the football with more conviction and authority than Edwards last night. Watch the tape if you don’t believe me.
Since it’s too late to trade for a starter now, we will go with Trent. But if we start out 0-3, maybe even 0-2, because of offensive ineptitude, then I’m all for a change.
At first I thought the starters should have stayed out there until they could score, but in hindsight being embarrassed by the Steelers reserves would have further eroded their confidence.
Some observations and thoughts…
- Trent reminded me of Losman on several plays last night (e.g., indecision, happy feet).
- The O-line was not to blame for Trent’s dysfunction.
- We still cannot run-block.
- Scrap the no-huddle if our offense intends to keep our defense on the field for 41 minutes every game.
- Did we blitz even one time on defense? Please spare me the line about not revealing too much in the preseason. Jauron, Fewell and our defense do not know how to blitz effectively; we should be practicing it in games now.
- I’m convinced our secondary is strong, but no matter how good they are, our invisible QB pressure from the front seven will doom the DBs.
- Though it is customary to rest the starters for the final preseason game, they need to play at least a half vs. Detroit.
A funny thought hit me after the game last night. Could the Bills be purposely lulling their opposition, namely the Patriots, into thinking we are this bad? I know, none of our coaches are that creative or devious. But, the thought only occurred to me because it’s so hard to believe that we can be this bad.
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
Could the Bills be purposely lulling their opposition, namely the Patriots, into thinking we are this bad? I know, none of our coaches are that creative or devious. But, the thought only occurred to me because it’s so hard to believe that we can be this bad.
I agree with you, the same though entered my mind as well. There is no way that they got this bad since last year. I guess we will find out on Sept 14th
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They may not be opening up their entire playbook for the preseason, but I seriously doubt this is a ploy.
Agreed....nobody can play that bad intentionally.
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
What's harder?
Playing this bad intentionally or playing this bad accidentally?
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I don't what we saw last time was intentional, and I don't think what we saw last night was an accident.
What’s harder???? Knowing it was their best effort.
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
I think the Bills may have been pretending to bad ploy
for about the last 10 years!
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correction
I think the Bills may have been pretending to be bad for about the last 10 years!
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You cannot give the OL a free pass
You say that you cannot blame the OL, but then you say they cannot run block. Its tit for tat Chip. The run game opens up the passing game. There is a huge difference between 3rd and long rather than 3rd and 3-5. And since we run on 75% of first downs with very little results, it is an uphill battle.
I think Trent does not trust his OL and that is why he is checking down after peeking down field. Last year he was getting to his 2nd read before checking down. I am not defending Trent because he does look horrible, but in no way shape or form should the OL get a free pass.
Scrap the no-huddle if our offense intends to keep our defense on the field for 41 minutes every game.
If we had huddled the defense would have been on the field for 40 minutes anyways. The offense didn’t get a whole lot of first downs… it has nothing to do with the no huddle aspect of it.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Tyler Thigpen
KC is asking for a 3rd round pick for him. Just saying…
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Looks like TJ will be up for grabs soon
With the Vikes signing Favre, it makes TJ available. He really looked good in his last game.
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Derek Anderson should be availible
Brady Quinn will start – Anderson makes a lot of money. He’s got a big arm and frame.
I like that option better than TJ, but what would it cost to get him?
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oh my god
no to all of these. look itll take awhile for any qb to come in here and learn the playbook. if you think the o is vanilla now, wait until they bring in another qb to run it! remember how bad fitzy looked when he was learning it? no, i fully believe TE is our qb this year for better or worse….
plus TJ???? when has he ever looked good? anderson had the same problems we are complaining about TE last year and thigpen was on the worst offense last year. none of these guys are better than TE, and none of them would be able to run the offense till like week 8, which would mean the season would probably be over by then. starting 0-8 doesnt bode well. nah, i say let TE have it, and its up to him to grow a pair and make the necessary throws. if not, this team will fail and we will draft a qb next year with a new head coach….
by silverstreak3k on Aug 30, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Cassel hurt his leg though….so I doubt he goes anywhere
I’d trade a 3rd for Thigpen, although he’s only proven capable of succeeding in a spread. He has shown the ability to throw it around the field though.
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With Cassel hurt, I think Thigpen is now no longer on the market
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No Huddle Not the Time of Possession Problem
1. No huddle can still use the play clock
2. Time of possession is about getting first downs .. 0% third down conversion
I think Trent needs a “slump-buster.”
I’m going to watch the game at some point today. Here’s to hoping I don’t get puke in my mouth. Also wondering if I need to go to the liquor store before or after I turn on the VCR…
If you didn’t watch it streaming then you’ll want to hit the liquor store first. The booze will help wash the puke taste out of your mouth.
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Trent is definitely looking bad and I know TO alone isn’t going to solve our offensive problems. But I can’t imagine the Steelers being as successful without Hines Ward. Ben was throwing with 100 times more confidence but he also had a run game to fall back on. The lack of a run game has me almost as worried as Trent.
The lack of a run game has me almost as worried as Trent.
This, to me, is linked directly to Edwards’ failures in the preseason. Everyone keeps saying how great Lynch has looked. I guess I must be watching different games.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 30, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been to two games in Buffalo that Trent Edwards started. Both times I noticed that he missed opportunities down field when players were open, choosing a different target, or none at all. This must still be a problem. I thought he would grow out of it with experience. If he hasn’t……….
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The real problem is the coaching
I’ve said it before and I will say it again, we cannot win with Jauron at the helm. I blame all this on Jauron and his inability to inject passion & guts into this group. We seem to all agree that Trent needs a second receiving option to make a difference so who started at WR2 last night? I only saw Scuba Steve come in in the second half, who’s fault is that? Don’t get me wrong – Trent sucks equally but the way the coaching staff protects it’s veterans such as Reed, Kelsay, Whitner, Walker, Parrish, etc. and keeps them in when other deserving young guys deserve the start more is beyond me, that is pure coaching.
I just hope that it’s all a ruse to catch teams off guard and that they will come out clicking on all cylinders but if not and we look anything like I’ve witnessed the last two outings then I hope Mr Wilson decides to bite the bullet quick and get rid of this horrendous coaching staff and brings in a guy who knows how to coach up young talent, bring in Marty! I don’t want to wait a whole season and witness the destruction of yet another season and then have to compete with all the other clubs, let’s bring in someone mid season who has lots of experience and has done it many times before. Given that there is no way that we can attract Bill Parcells, I’d love to see Mr Wilson scrap his roundtable of fools and roll out the red carpet and $$$ and bring in a real football guy that could make a huge difference, someone by his mere presence would help sell out the season tickets … Bill Cower, wouldn’t that be a huge moral boost if we could lure Cower to the bills?
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This total lack of passion is really killing me
I watched Trent’s PGC and he seems oblivious to it all, he talks like everyone should share in the blame and that they can fix things before Sept 14th, is this guy on drugs? I’ve been a steady Trent Edwards supporter since last year and must admit that last night was the last straw, I have no more patience. He needs to take pokes down field and this coaching staff have to put the right guys on the field.
Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
I literally cannot understand how someone can blame a coach for sucking at quarterback. No idea how that’s even possible to logically deduce.
I don’t think there’s a single person here who is sold on Jauron as the guy that can resurrect this franchise – myself included. I defend the man because he’s blamed for everything. Nick Mendola said it best – not everything can be Jauron’s fault, folks. Blaming him and his staff for poor quarterback play is something I just can’t understand. Players make plays, not coaches.
As for the WR2 thing – pre-season. I’m not going to get fed up over who plays when when the games don’t count. Save that argument for the regular season.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
If you are willing to give Jauron’s team credit when they assemble talent on the team then you must also accept that it’s his fault when they fail to bring in an experienced vet to back up Trent. I am horrified at the thought that I will be subjected to yet another loosing season, which by the looks of things could be even worse that I am accustomed to.
Stop saying that pre-season doesn’t count, if the players play the games and risk injury then it counts for something. Might not be for the standings but it counts nonetheless. When you play your starters for 2 full quarters, then at least put the right people on the field in order to give your QB the best chance to succeed, especially when you know his confidence is very low. Trent needed a good showing last night and failed miserably and he deserves most of the blame but Jauron also deserves his fair share. Reed & Parrish are not good enough to play WR2, they’ve both had all opportunities to prove otherwise, it’s now time to give SJ his chance to help this offense. So to send Trent out with few weapons and then wonder why he looked like a deer in headlights is just ridiculous.
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K. First thing’s first – it’s the pre-season. It doesn’t count. And please don’t command me or anyone to “stop” anything. I, and others, are entitled to opinions, just as you are. :)
I’m officially done responding to comments about the coaches, and I encourage others who appreciate a higher level of discussion to do the same. We all know what the amazingly universal general consensus is about the coaching staff. Blaming the coaching staff is tremendously en vogue, and as such, it’s brought up in pretty much every post we have here. It’s getting sad – not because it’s inaccurate, but because it’s tremendously boring to talk about the same exact thing every day. Particularly when we have at least 17 games to go.
Maybe I’ll put up an “If you hate Jauron and his staff, vent here” FanPost after every game. I urge everyone to not make each and every post here redundant. We can all piss and moan about every little aspect of this team, rather than one overarching umbrella, on a daily basis. Let’s keep it original, shall we? :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s keep it original, shall we? :)
Shouldn’t be to difficult, since Jauron and his coaching staff keep finding new ways to screw up
[Brian’s head explodes again] :-)
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It’s getting sad – not because it’s inaccurate, but because it’s tremendously boring to talk about the same exact thing every day.
It’s not like we have anything positive to talk about. Maybe if we talk about the coaching enough, some change will be made!
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I was thinking the same thing
I guess we could take about the Maybin sack for the next 6 days?
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
I’m writing about Maybin right now. :P
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
better give a shout out to corner on it then
by silverstreak3k on Aug 30, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
… I did, didn’t I? [goes to check]
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
you did
i hadnt read it before i posted this. i just like to pump up corner every chance i get. haha
by silverstreak3k on Aug 30, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
"Stop saying that pre-season doesn’t count"
AMEN!! I despise that excuse. We are weak in every position (including coaching) except for secondary, RB and WR. And all three of those positions are limited by our OL/DL and now our QB.
Were pathetic.
"Players make plays, not coaches."
So fundamental. So true. So many fans don’t seem to understand it.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
It is true, but must also be applied in context
I thought it was a coach’s job to make their players better? If coaches are not needed, why do we have them?
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
Coaches ARE needed.
Players are needed MORE.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
getting closer....coaches need to coach and players need to play???? Now we are cooking!!!! Hahahahha
per your sig – Are Eli Manning and David Tyree great players?
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
per your sig – Are Eli Manning and David Tyree great players?
Nope. But did Tom Coughlin/Kevin Gilbride draw that play up? Hardly. That was a great singular play, made by a receiver who might not even make the team.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. But coaching was a big part of why that play worked
Coaching tip #23 – When a QB scrambles, they should keep their eyes down field
Coaching tip #45 – When your QB scrambles, stay alive and work the seems in the coverage.
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Sig
I hope people understand that it"s a general concept. Sometimes a great play call can make an average player look better than he really is. I just believe more it’s usually more about the players.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
I know....just playing the devil's advocate :-)
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
Oh it is the player for a large portion Fort
But our staff NEEDS to put those players into positions and prepare them for situations so they CAN be successful. If a player is ill prepared for the fight ahead, it won’t matter how much talent they have, they will not be able to overcome all obstacles due to being hamstrung, case in point, all the times Trent has now said they were unprepared for the 3-4 or 8 men back in coverage, that is a very very bad thing to see.
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So why did the dolphins go from 1-15 to 11-5
there was not a great deal of change on the playing staff.
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That happens once in a while.
But more often than not, the team with the better players usually wins.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
I think it was Bum Phillips
who once said of Tom Landry… “He can take his’n, an’ beat your’n, then take your’n, and beat his’n”….
that about says it all :-)
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
there was not a great deal of change on the playing staff.
Nope, but they did upgrade from Cleo Lemon to Chad Pennington at QB, and they had Ronnie Brown for 16 games instead of 7…
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
How can you even try to imply that Parcells wasn’t the main factor in the turn-around. I realize you want to prove you point Brian but that team was whipped into shape by one of the best football minds in the game, a guy that assembled under the radar players from around the league, a rookie coach/gm combo, flushed some veterans and most importantly changed the mindset and attitude of the team – The results were “priceless”
That’s what a good football mind can do.
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Oh there is no question the main part of the turn around was Chad Pennington. Granted, Parcells brought him in, but Parcells only job was bringing people in. He was the GM not the coach. With Parcells and without Pennington, the DOlphins still go nowhere last year. Pennington was the difference.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys aren’t getting my point. Without Parcells there is no Pennington (who by the way was drafted by who??) and there is no sparano, no mindset reset.
Parcells was at the helm for all the changes that created the quick turn-around for the Dolphins, not Pennington. I would argue that he could have done the same with other QBs in the league. It is parcells that discovered Romo in 2003 (undrafted free agent).
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Actually it was Gary Payton that “discovered” Romo. They went to the same college Northern Illinois.
I get your point about Parcells being the guy to bring all of them in but I think you are not giving credit where it is due. I don’t think any QB leads them to the playoffs. Pennington is efficient. If the Jets hadn’t traded for Favre the Dolphins would not have made the playoffs. Pennington was the on field leader of that team.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It was Sean Payton, and Eastern Illinois. Gary Payton was an NBA point guard for the Seattle SuperSonics. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow… yeah… that was bad.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s been a while since I pulled one of those. :-) That is a true MRW.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And Sean Payton was Parcells prodigy.
I won’t take anything away from Pennington cause he played well and I agree with you that he is a great leader on the field. Actually, when you consider that he was almost ran out of town in NY under the Mangini regime and under Parcells he flourishes, what does that tell you about the importance of the top football guy? Parcells knows what Chad can do well and he puts him in a position to succeed.
I guarantee you that even without Pennington, the Dolphins would have made a dramatic comeback anyways maybe not so dramatic but they would have been respectable nonetheless.
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Gary Payton? Really?!?!
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My mind was on other things! :-) I got the last name right!
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 31, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
… but Parcells wasn’t the coach…
Yeah, he helped, but it’s not like he was involved day-to-day.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The one change that made all the difference in the world was at the QB position. Chad Pennington was one of the best QBs last season – arguably having HIS best season as a pro. So again, it came down to one thing: QB play.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 30, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
So what you are saying is
If Cam Cameron were still Head Coach, then he would have turned the record around with Pennington at QB?
or
Why did Arizona go 1-4 under Dennis Green and Kurt Warner and then 2 years later go to the Superbowl under Whisenhunt and Kurt Warner?
or
New England go 12.5 – 3.5 over 5 years under Belichick and Tom Brady and then 11-5 under Belichick and Matt Cassel (when Cassel had not started a game since High School)
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Players also need to be put in position to make plays….
Nobody should be saying a QB is inaccurate because of coaching or a RB fumbles too much due to coaching, but building up your QB is something a coaching staff can do. They can instill some passion and confidence in him, and if not, there are problems.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
You literally can’t understand that? It’s not even possible to logically deduce?? Are you freaking kidding me?
You do know that quarterbacks are DEVELOPED by a coaching staff right? They don’t just come in a finished product. They don’t just magically improve by themselves. The coaches teach them techniques, teach them what they are doing wrong, teach them how to look at a defense, it goes on and on and on. You can’t understand how the coaches can have any blame for poor quarterback play? And here you are telling me that it is not even possible to logically deduce the coaching staff has any responsibility whatsoever for how a QB plays. That is an idiotic statement.
Don’t give me this garbage about its only a “higher discussion” if you talk about players only. That is pure B.S. The coaches are here for a reason, they do have a part in how players perform on Sunday. Surely you aren’t disputing that. Hell maybe you are.
Look maybe it isn’t all the coaches fault. If that is your point fine. I would agree, although the buck ultimately stops with them, period but what thotever. But to then take it a step further and say NONE of it is the coaches fault and any discussion of the coaches role is a lower level discussion is moronic and condescending. Ignoring a major problem doesn’t make it a “higher level discussion”. Whatever helps you sleep at night though. Look you can write and talk or not talk about whatever you want, more power to you, but don’t think you are in some higher level of intellectual thought and conversation than the rest of us commoners just because you turn a blind eye to the coaching staff.
Trent has played very well. Did you give the coaches credit for that then? The player is the one making the plays.
He’s not saying the coaching is good. He is saying that Trent’s play wasn’t entirely the coaches’ fault.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He is saying that Trent’s play wasn’t entirely the coaches’ fault.
This is what I read.
I literally cannot understand how someone can blame a coach for sucking at quarterback.
Sorry, to me that says none of Trent’s play is the coaches fault. If that really means it is only partly the coaches fault, then my bad. I’ll be sure to bring my super secret decoder ring next time to help translate.
Being a jerk about it won’t make his comments clearer to you.
Trent’s on field decisions were bad. They were his choices, not the coaches. it’s obviously not how the coaches wanted him to play nor how they prepared him to play.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody ever said that Trent’s bad play was DJ’s fault
Don’t get me wrong – Trent sucks equally
But it’s the coaching staff that determines the starters, it is the coaches that create the mindset, it is the coaches that prepare the gameplan, it is the coaches that manage the game plan and mid-game adjustments, it’s the coaching staff that (at least in buffalo) determine which players they bring in in free agency. We applauded Jauron for bringing in TO but all they brought in was Fitzy as the main backup because they wanted to avoid controversy and so now we are stuck in a very bad situation.
Trent is playing girly ball right now and even at that he still is our best bet compared to Fitz, I blame Jauron for that. Jauron is a players coach because he protects them, he does so even at the detriment of making the team more productive. Again, Walker, Reed, Kelsay, Parrish, etc. I am willing to bet that very few rumblers would disagree with me that Scuba Steve deserved to start at WR2 instead of Reed or Parrish, both got numerous chances last year and failed miserably, while Steve and simply gotten better every chance he’s gotten. He’s earned the right to be on the field with the starters. This is what I was gripping about. Yes Trent Edwards has been stinking up the joint but thanks to the infinite wisdom of our coaching staff, we have no real other options to go to. So ultimately, the lose of hope for the season can be blamed on the coaching staff
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I'd like to think
That if Jauron was really fed up with Edwards dumping off to RBs every throw, he would go up to him and say, “Look Trent, this is preseason and we would like you to work on throwing long pass plays. So no matter if you think Lee is covered or not, I would like you to make the throw. And I will stand by my decision if the pass is intercepted.” Is it so hard to believe that a good coach would say this to his QB? Why is this not happening here? And if Jauron is saying this to Trent, and Trent is STILL not doing it, he would be benched, no? I just don’t think a stronger coach would be in this situation. But maybe its just my opinion.
by StroudFanClub on Aug 30, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever heard of a quarterback “getting it”? Or having “intangibles”? Or “having the game slow down for them”?
Coaches don’t make any of those things happen. There’s nothing wrong with Edwards’ technique. It’s his decision-making.
And yeah, you completely missed the point about better discussion. I’m just asking that not every thread be devoted to ripping the coaching staff. That is boring. But I mean, I guess I can’t control when or where you spew venom just to yell things. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Oh, and chill out. I don’t agree with you. And you took that little blurb of mine WAY too personally. So calm down.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I’ve heard of all 3. Do you realize that there is more to quarterbacking than just those three? I won’t even get into that.
Outside of intangibles, coaches do in fact play a part in making those things happen. How you can say a coach has no part in slowing the game down or “getting it” for a young QB is beyond me. I’ll take a page out of your book and say I don’t see how you can even logically deduce that.
Part of it is just experience, which is why the coaches are only partly responsible for those two factors, but part of it is what the coaches are teaching them in practice, in the film room, about reading defenses, progressions etc. So, you’re wrong, coaches do play a part in making those things happen, again outside of intangibles.
And there is a big difference between not every thread being about coaching staff and NO thread being about coaching staff. I’m glad we clarified your stance though.
Yet again, you assume that I’m saying the coaches have no blame in this. That is not how I feel. I feel that coaching gets a quarterback to a certain point, and from there, skill and poise have to take over. I think the coaching has taken Edwards as far as it can. This has been my point all along – the original comment in this long, ridiculous strand of comments was “the real problem is coaching.” In my mind, coaching is a real problem, but not insofar as this particular topic goes.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Coaching has taken Edwards as far as they can? Really?
So I guess after 3 seasons in the league he should have it all figured out huh?
I find this comment disturbing to say the least.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 30, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Calm down? I didn't think I was "spewing venom"?
I just said I wish Jauron would MAKE Trent throw downfield. Yes, I think he has that power, as head coach. And I said I didn’t think a “stronger” head coach would be in the same situation. Please let me know what I said that comes close to “spewing venom” and I will stop immediately. I don’t want to be that guy. Thanks.
by StroudFanClub on Aug 30, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, okay.
The reply was right after mine, so I didn’t know, but that makes more sense. Thanks for clearing up.
by StroudFanClub on Aug 30, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah – if a reply is to a particular comment, it’ll be indented. If it’s directly below, we’re replying to the same comment. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Devil's Advocate here...
What would happen if Cower came on board and the team still didn’t get it done?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 30, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Do we expect Cower to win this year? Or, does he get a draft or two to get his type of players and scheme in place?
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
rotflmao, if Cowher were brought in here, the fans would give him at LEAST 4 years to fix things
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We have a great nucleous in place, improvements would happen as soon as he’d come in.
I’ll say it once again, IMO our biggest problem is not lack of talen, it’s our mindset & gameday preparation & playcalling and Cower would instantly improve all three.
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I can say one thing for sure
I was seriously considering drafting Trent as my back up QB & T.O. as a #2 receiver in fantasy this year. I can now say there is no way in Hades I will be doing that.
And for those of you out there that will label me as a negative Nelly – there’s nothing wrong with someone liking their team and wanting to believe things will turn around but being disgusted with the “it’s OK to be mediocre (or bad)” mentality that we as Bills fans are forced to endure year in and year out. I just wanted to clear that up and explain our side of the story. It’s not that we like our team any less, in fact it may be the case that we like them more.
Trent is my backup QB. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Trent’s my starter, damn.
Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!
I got Aaron Rodgers for that… :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Bottom line folks.
1) Trent sucks. He’s scared and indecisive. NFL QBs Cannot have these qualities.
2) Leodis’ play is terrible. His underwear is still laying in Heinz Field.
Thats two of our top young talents consistantly under producing.
3) Moorman is the only player playing like a winner on this team. That’s sad.
I cant believe I paid for season tickets again this year.
whoa whoa whoa
leo played BAD? leo broke up a couple plays and had great coverage on a couple more to cause the incompletion. mcgee has some nice tackles too. on the whole, the def actually held their own last night. i think they just got worn down. leo was one of the lone bright spots of last night. there is alot to complain about but leo isnt one of them…..
by silverstreak3k on Aug 30, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know Leo plays way too off of WR. You see him making a break for the ball and he is always a hair short on the INT, if he plays on the WR more he makes those plays. I don’t think it is the end of the world, but the coaches have to harp on him for that.
It is not his choice to line up 10+ yards off the WR, that is how Fewell and DJ want the D run, no big plays
So McGee and McKelvin are forced to play way back even though they are good enough to play man and press coverage
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next year
next year they will play press coverage…..
by silverstreak3k on Aug 31, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing I don't understand is this:
It’s preseason – why not just toss the rock downfield a couple times, just to loosen the arm, and defense up? Who cares if it’s an INT. It doesn’t count. There’s absolutely nothing to lose by trying.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 30, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Edwards and Jauron attempt to process this concept.....Heads explode
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
Edwards and Jauron attempt to process this concept…message failed
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connect to server lost!
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
Insufficient memory. Try closing some of your playbook.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 30, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Right click an empty space
in your task bar, left click “task manager”, open processes, close those not needed for your offense to work properly…
Alternatively…
Add more Ram…
LOL!!!! then defragement your hard drive and do not reboot in safe mode!
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
just increase the swap file size…. ;)
but really – they just better play better. end of story. they don’t – we suck.
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by J2 on Aug 30, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The most concerning play I saw was the failure to hit reed btw the numbers on the wide receiver screen. Those are easy throws, and a repeat of things I saw Edwards do last year when he was supposedly injured. It is my opinion Edwards should play a half on Thursday or until the offense scores a TD.
If they are willing to pull Walker then they should be willing to pull Edwards if he cant get it done by week 4. (They won’t). My guess is that DJ didn’t want the Bell info to hit the news, which means certain people are going behind DJ’s back.
It’s like a broken record with Edwards….scared to go downfield, checks down like he’s trying to save a life, no poise, no pocket awareness, rattled, etc, etc, etc. I think this is what he is and it’ll be darn impossible to break away from that, at least on a consistent basis. Like last year, his confidence is gone and it affects every little thing he does.
It’s really not all that surprising that Edwards is looking bad. After all, he looked pretty much the same for most of last season.
I think it’s kind of funny that of the five 10+ yard plays, two were dumps to the RB’s. Of course they were.
I’ve got the Giants/Jets preseason game on now, and it’s amazing how much better Sanchez looks than Trent has ever looked. He avoids the Giants pass rushers, has a feel for when/where he needs to move around, throws it downfield and accurately and just makes plays. It can’t be this difficult for Trent, can it?
Are the Bills the only first team offense to not score a TD this preseason?
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Sanchez
Don’t be too amazed at Sanchez, he was a top 10 pick—Trent was taken in the 3rd round, Sanchez came out of one of the best college football programs in America that is producing NFL QB’s on a regular basis—-Trent came out of Sanford (not exactly known as a football power house) missing games in 3 out of 4 years due to injuries.
Bill Walsh also rated him as the best QB in the draft
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Sanchez started for one season in college, Trent started 3 seasons, I believe.
Plus, Sanchez is a rookie that was facing the top pass rush in the NFL, and didn’t seem all that fazed. Trent is in year 3 and looks like a high school QB out there.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I liked DJ’s post conference – he seems genuinely pissed off – with good reason – and Im with Brian here – this wasn’t on the coaches (well maybe Roscoe at WR#2 instead of S.Johnson) – but Trent sucked bad last night
Trent’s post conference was the epidomy of what I didn’t want to hear out of his mouth – I was unimpressed in every fashion with Trent yesterday – on and off the field. Including his demeanor in the pocket and in the huddle. he looks like a catholic school girl playing against men. he needs to grow a set of balls and play
I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying
Trentative needs to start playing with some fire. He shows no emotion out there and never seems angry with him play. That’s bothersome. No wonder Jauron likes him, he’s the DJ of QB’s.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
you know K – if I was gonna go down – I’d go down swinging. i’m not sure Trent will
I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying
Did JP go down swinging?
I think he went down in a cloud of fail.
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 30, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Bring in the Hamster, he at least was a winner at SOME level
(443): My mom came into my room and told me to flip off the tv. I gave it the middle finger. Note to self: STOP SMOKING THIS S#!T
-textsfromlastnight.com
Also - would Jim Kelly ever wear that shirt?
What the hell is that thing? Is he shopping in the women’s aisle at the store? No wonder he is playing so terribly, he can’t even find a men’s shirt to put on after the game.
by Squirmin' Thurman on Aug 30, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
So this turns from “Edwards had a bad outing” to “we should have traded two first rounders to the Broncos”?
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yea cant agree with you there
we kind of needed maybin and wood. cant say id give up that talent for whiny baby…..plus if this doesnt work out this year, we should have our pick of mccoy, bradford, tebow, snead, clausen, and whoever else can throw a football 50 yards…
by silverstreak3k on Aug 30, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian - Time for a new thread
This thread is wore out, we all know Trent has had a really bad preseason. I’m sure there were other aspects of the game to talk about.
How was Nic Harris?
How was Chris Ellis?
Steelers only scored 17 pts? Sounds like a pretty good defensive stand.
Maybin thread is now up.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 30, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Both the coaches and players are responsible for this early mess.
Trent is regressing at alarming rate, something I couldn’t envision when this season started. He’s not trusting his game. He’s not stepping up to the challenge of being the leader of this team. He could have better weapons or more “hungrier” (Steve J or Jenkins) weapons out there but the problem starts with him.
But, what does a coach do when this situation happens? They chose Edwards as their leader and the starting QB. What are they doing to get that player to a confidence level where he can regain the effectiveness they once saw? Are they “treating” him like a man and let hope and luck find it course where Edwards can magically become better? Are they helping him in this lousy slump he is in?
Are the coaches trying to implement a gameplan where a QB in shambles can gain a little confidence?
Like calling a couple of designed plays to get some first downs and see if he can click after a little success (like the Parrish reverse) some more screen passes against an agressive defense.
And I believe it’s coaching when your starting RT backpedals three steps by himself in pass pro, only to be slightly pushed by a defender into a the arm of the QB.
Or when both QB gets sacked because the RB can’t pick-up a blitzing LB up the middle.
Maybe they already taught the players how to do it, and in reality the problem is execution, but when the players don’t execute, do they hold them accountable? Do they get in the player face and let them that they won’t accept that?
I don’t see a positive outcome or a quick fix out of this mess, unfortunately.
I’m getting worried and depressed at the same time. Still I’ll watch the trainwreck with utter fascination.
by Fixxxer on Aug 30, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Rec’d
"I wish we could convince our opponents to play their 2nd and 3rd stringers against ours for the whole game – when it counts." - TEMSON
by thefourwinds on Aug 30, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed....and I love this line
I’m getting worried and depressed at the same time. Still I’ll watch the trainwreck with utter fascination.
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
yes
but its not only the pressure of the playoffs, its the pressure of the entire coaching staff, and his job on the line. we hear it every year, if a new coach comes in and the qb is not really a great performer, a new coach almost always drafts a new qb. trent is trying way too hard because he knows his play is going to directly affect the entire franchise and his career.
by silverstreak3k on Aug 30, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
“Yeah, oh definitely. … I don’t think you ever stop worrying. But yeah, we’re definitely worried. We’ve got to make a lot of improvement and we don’t have a lot of time to do it.”
Those were Jauron’s words when asked about the offensive struggles after last night’s game. That is one hell of a vote of confidence coming from the head coach, don’t you think?
Should he be giving them a vote of confidence?
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 30, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny
After reading all the posts on this blog I find it so funny that everyone is starting to blame Edwards now. When I wrote the " This is why I don’t like Trent" article before this game most everyone was giving me a hard time. I know its preseason but I do think the offense is trying to accomplish something out there, maybe put up more than 3 points in four games as starters. I really hope this is all because Owens is not there, but I am glad more people are seeing that Trent is not that good. “Finalmente” as we like to say it in italian.
Most of us don't want that to be true because it means the season is over
Given the fact that we have yet to play regular season game yet, I can’t blame them. Edwards has the potential to be good, but a QB’s potential has a shelf life of about 3 years.
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
New evidence results in a new conclusion
HOwever, trent is going to be our QB this year no matter what.
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