2009 Bills Training Camp: Day 11 Open Thread
Here's a fun fact for you: the Buffalo Bills are three public practices away from being completely "prepared" for their first pre-season game of the 2009 season. Get excited, folks.
MattRichWarren is at camp. The Bills are coming off of a very nice practice session last night. You know where to go for updates from today's practice - right on in past the jump.
1:18 PM: Brad Butler is out once again. Copeland Bryan and Marcus Smith are also out, as are the PUP guys (James Hardy, Jairus Byrd). Chris Brown of BuffaloBills.com confirms that Steve Johnson is back practicing. Matt's got a bad seat, so be prepared for lower quality updates than usual. We do what we can...
1:25 PM: Buffalo's defensive tackles are currently working with line coach Bob Sanders on getting under blocks and attaining proper pad level. Matt's view must really suck, though; he's mentioned it twice now.
1:33 PM: Demetrius Bell once again "started" for Butler at right tackle, though Kirk Chambers is seeing reps there as well. Langston Walker and Alvin Bowen got into a teeny little skirmish, as Walker was blocking the second-year linebacker past the whistle.
1:37 PM: Bell is back in at right tackle working on hand placement in the run game. The offense is continuing its emphasis on the play-action pass today.
1:45 PM: It's gonna be a light day, folks - the pads just came off. Sean Kugler and Eric Wood are spending some quality one-on-one time together at the moment. The offense is working on break and recover; the defense is working on leverage and pad level.
1:51 PM: We have a Brad Butler sighting. He's on the field in a hat and shorts; he's moving well, but obviously not practicing. Ditto for James Hardy.
1:56 PM: Matt is currently trying to position himself to get a closer look at Donte Whitner. In the meantime, here's a nugget for you: Chris Ellis just made Shawn Nelson look foolish in a pass rushing drill. Interpret that how you will.
2:03 PM: Trent Edwards just hit Terrell Owens in stride... and Owens promptly dropped the ball. Let's hope we don't see a lot of that this season. Shawn Nelson is once again getting a lot of work in the red zone. Buffalo's first-team defense isn't seeing a lot of reps today.
2:07 PM: Leodis McKelvin remains out of team work (though he is once again doing positional drills), and it's Drayton Florence taking first-team reps in his stead today. Y'all asked for a Donte Whitner update; he is definitely playing free safety, as he's routinely lined up in deep center field. Still nothing in the way of big plays.
2:11 PM: Add the screen pass to the list of things the Bills continue to work on on a daily basis, even if only for a few moments here and there. There's a lot more play-action work going on these days.
2:17 PM: Aaron Schobel and Chris Kelsay were just driven yards away from the line of scrimmage by Langston Walker and Demetrius Bell (respectively) in pass protection. Kirk Chambers is getting most of his work at second-team left guard behind Andy Levitre. Meanwhile, John McCargo's run defense continues to look good, as he knifed into the backfield for a tackle-for-loss.
2:30 PM: Steve Johnson is practicing, but he's not doing much in the way of strenuous activities. Not surprising there; rib injuries are tough to deal with.
2:39 PM: It's been a rather lackadaisical afternoon in terms of players getting rest. The team has moved to the walk-through portion of practice, even though it's supposed to last roughly another half-hour. Looks like another early quit. Most of the first and second team defenders have gotten a light workload today, and are currently watching practice.
2:48 PM: Indeed, the Bills are ending early. Practice is now over. Light day today; not a lot in the way of major talking points. Short recap coming later.
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MRW
Butler back?
Hangartner updates if possible?
Levitre if possible?
Whitner as well…?
Thanks
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If Butler’s not back, who’s at RT – Bell or Chambers?
The usual rundown on CB depth chart.
Ellis check.
Thanks MRW.
If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...
Bell is at RT.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 5, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I am so ready with questions this time around…
We haven’t heard much about Stroud OR Schobel lately. How are they doing? Considering they are key pieces not only to the D-line but to the entire defense…
And
If Stroud isn’t doing well is it because Wood is just that good and dominant or is Stroud not living up to what we think he can do?
If Schobel isn’t doing well is it cause Walker is a giant amongst men or is Schobel not getting that push off of hit foot and able to use his speed?
And are they using Nelson at all in blocking situations or is he just purely being used as a receiver?
Nelson is being used mostly as a receiver. Any blocking work he’s getting is in a one-on-one setting.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 5, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
And as stated above he got owned by Ellis in a blocking set.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 6, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Stroud has been held relatively in check by Wood and Hang but he commands a double team almost every play.
Schobel has not been making many huge plays but the good news is his foot looks great and he doesn’t seem to be worse for the wear. Walker has been holding him in check for the most part.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 6, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
First time posting and glad to be apart of this board. I’m 100% positive that I’ve found my addition now. So if Butler is out, has at RT.
Bell got the majority of snaps there yesterday.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 6, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Matt’s got a bad seat
No on the field press credentials for Rumblings’ editors yet?
If the glove don’t fit, it couldn’t be Whit...
Tough to go from the VIP tent to back into the stands
Kind of like going from a Lincoln to a Pinto. Yes Brian, that analogy was just for you :-)
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Steve Johnson
Great news, Brownie is reporting that Johnson is back practicing.
Scuba Steve has some time to make up the difference. I hope they take it easy for him so he doesn’t aggravate the ribs but I am glad he’s back. Slaine has been getting some good looks in the meantime though. Big 6’3" guy who’s supposedly pretty fast. Jenkins has been having a good camp also. Receiver cuts are going to be tough.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Aug 5, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't take any hits...
and he was just doing some position stuff. Nothing strenuous.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 6, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Donte
As I posted in the other thread, I’d like to hear something about Whitner. Haven’t heard much about him through camp so far except for him getting beat on a few deep balls. Where are the plays he’s been saying he’d be making now full-time at FS? Has he been full time at FS? Is there any indication he can become more of playmaker for us from there?
He is playing so far off the line the only time he gets to make plays are on deep balls like the INT against Owens earlier in camp. He lines up 15 off the ball and his first step off the snap is always backwards. On a lot of pass plays he ends up 20-25 yards off the original line of scrimmage. Not really his fault he’s not in the mix on most plays.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 6, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Q's
1. Nic Harris/Ellison: Any reps with the 1st team for Harris
2. Fred Jackson/Rhodes…when lynch is out do they line RHodes up at RB and Jackson in the slot. Ever see both on the field?
3. Ko Simpson v. George Wilson v. Wendling for backup safety spots
4. Spencer Johnson? Anything good?
5. Offensive personell being used in short yardage situations (again when Lynch is not in).
Nic Harris is not getting any first team reps.
There have been times when Rhodes is at RB and Jackson is at WR. They have been rare.
Ko Simpson and George Wilson are running as the second-team safeties. Wendling is third.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 5, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
1. Ellison getting all first team reps. He is not going to be unseated anytime soon.
2. Yes. In fact we see Jackson in the slot and Lycnh in the backfield, too. I would also not be surprised if we saw Rhodes and Lynch in the backfield and Jackson spread out wide once or twice. That’s how much work Jackson has been getting in the slot.
4. Spencer Johnson has looked like he did last year – not spectacular but not a liability.
5. They don’t practice what you’re talking about because of the high impact, low area and the risk of injury. But if you’re asking about McIntyre I havne’t seen him take a snap except on third or fourth team offense.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 6, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Why?
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 5, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
this time of year – rest is good for them. can’t burn them out too quickly. long season
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by J2 on Aug 5, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That it is, means he’s probally real close to practicing.
by eze on Aug 5, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Bowen and Walker scrapping a little is music to my eyes. That’s two players I want to see a little extra fight out of. Although, I hope Walker doesn’t pull a “Dook Preston in the 9ers game” this year. :)
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Bowen needs to be careful, Walker has him by close to 150 pounds.
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Small dog with an iffy knee vs real BIG dog. I know where my money is going….
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Bowen will suspend a Twinkie from Walker’s helmet just out of arm’s reach and while Langston’s chasing the Twinkie in vain…….Bam!!!
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And when you say the O-line crush them just go back to that picture of Wood ready to kick @ss a couple days ago… :P
Yep. This was the only unread comment after editing. Definitely gonna have to go back and read the whole thing to un-confuse myself.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 5, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope i have never seen a Twinkie
although, according to the article, the english did invent the deep fried Twinkie!
Football. Bloody Hell!!
this place is in Brooklyn. The British born owner is kno\wn to deep fry anything, including pizza and mac and cheese.
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My God!
I just took a gander at the menu…I hope they sell stents to accompany all of that fried food. The must be a cardiac center next to them. I didn’t know you could fry cherry pie—WTF!
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They dip everything in batter first so it has a crust around it. Like deep fried ice cream if you have ever seen that.
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I agree.
Love me some deep fried mac and cheese.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 6, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Have we heard of Ellis beating anybody other then the weak blocking Nelson?
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Oh yes. He beat Bell last night.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 5, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He has shown a few flashes.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 6, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
we still aren’t hearing much about hang, but then again we haven’t heard much about stroud either so i’ll take that as a good sign.
Everytime I hear Stroud's name
It’s how Eric Wood is constantly fighting him to a draw.
by Dyl on Aug 5, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s good news for both of those guys. Wood is excellent. Stroud is excellent.
Stroud has beaten him on more than one play, btw.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 5, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, I was happy for Wood but was slightly apprehensive about Stroud before hearing that.
by Dyl on Aug 5, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Donte Whitner
So I call into the Sirius Blitz quite a bit (Pete from MO, good friend of the radio program according to Adam Schein), and talked to Adam and Solomon Wilcots about Donte Whitner. Basically, I echoed the sentiments most of us Rumblers are sharing a brain on. I said I understand that Donte’s obviously a versatile guy and a leader, but he’s not a playmaker at all. I used to be an apologist for him, but not anymore. He’s the one that predicted playoffs last year and proceeded to not even make a single impact play all year. Honestly, I don’t want him starting at FS. I think he’s less of a playmaker than George Wilson for instance. I’m pretty sure his 2 career INT for TD’s in very limited playing time is better than Whitner’s big fat goose egg.
He’d better have at least 5 INT from that spot, or he’s a huge disappointment. We all know that’s not gonna happen. He’s going to play out his contract in Buffalo and probably go on to get a bigger contract than he deserves and I’ll “good widdance to baaaadddd wubbish.” My vote goes for Scott at SS and Wilson at FS to start out the season, then eventually transition to Byrd unless Wilson is lighting it up. I figure, Scott is a better tackler and better at covering tight ends and either one of Byrd or Wilson is likely to make more of an impact than Donte Whitner.
Long story short…. PUT UP OR SHUT UP DONTE!!!
by live6453 on Aug 5, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I can garuantee you this, if Byrd catches on quickly he will be the starting FS and they will put Donte back to where he belongs at the strong.
by eze on Aug 5, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Give him another year
I say this year is important for the guy, but remember Antoine Winfield was like this. He had one interception in two years before we traded him. Then he became a Pro Bowler in Minnesota. So let’s hope it’s not our system.
by Dyl on Aug 5, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Winfield had 7 INTs in 5 years for the Bills. In fact he has 20 total during his 10 year career, which of course is 2 per year, which sucks for a so-called top corner.
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Winfield is a good tackler though – and how many forced fumbles does he have? I watched some of him last year and he has several big plays that allowed them to WIN the game. That’s why he’s a top end corner
10 forced fumbles. so he is good for 2 picks and 1 FF a year, WOW he’s great!
When the best thing that can be said about a corner is that he is a great tackler, it really makes me wonder just why everyone loves him so much. He wasn’t that great in coverage and he rarely generates turnovers.
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He might not be a shut down corner, but
he was good enough to make the ProBowl and for Minny to give him a new contract.
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I’m not saying that he is a slug, just that he isn’t the elite corner everyone likens him too.
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I didn’t say a shut down corner, and like I said, he came through with big plays when they mattered. He also returned a blocked FG for a TD last season that was the difference in a game. That one win was the difference of Minnesota going to the playoffs last year…
Where was he the rest of the time? He made a big play that helped them win a game…Great. I still fail to see why he is so high thought of.
We have established that he isn’t a shut down corner in coverage, and has a total of 10 FF and 20 INTs during his ten year career, (not great numbers).
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Does anyone know where we can get figures for missed tackles
blown coverages, dropped interceptions etc
These are more important on defense than number of tackles etc.
I would rather have a guy who never misses a tackle than one who returns the interception for a TD, but concedes points because of blown coverages.
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Rec’d
That pretty much sums up Whitner.
I’m going to be sick when the Bills give Whitner a new deal where he’ll be paid something outrageous like $7M a year. It’s going to be even more sickening when Chris Brown starts postulating about a new deal for Whitner. Ugh.
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Trent Edwards just hit Terrell Owens in stride… and Owens promptly dropped the ball.
A more accurate description is it bounced off Owens’ hands like they were made of concrete. It wasn’t pretty.
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he does that – let’s just hope their few and far between this year. and TD’s are plentiful
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by J2 on Aug 6, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions

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