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Keeping track of Buffalo's 2009 draft class

Over the past several days, I have received several emails from readers inquiring about the progress of the Buffalo Bills' current group of drafted rookies.  (I also got a very flattering email from my pals out in California.  This is your shout-out.)  Naturally, I found the discussion topic compelling; even if it's far too early to judge the Bills' eight draft picks from this year, we can, at a bare minimum, throw out everything that has been observed about these players over the first couple weeks of camp.

Round 1, Pick 11: Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State.  We can only assume that Maybin is in fantastic shape, because he's currently on Day 13 of a contractual holdout.  The sad part is that, as far as we can tell, very little has changed on the negotiation front over those thirteen days.  Blame it on Michael Crabtree.  Blame it, also, on his agent, Eugene Parker.  Right now, however, it doesn't look like Buffalo's speedy defensive end will be in camp any time soon.  That can change in a heartbeat, however.

Round 1, Pick 28: Eric Wood, OG, Louisville.  Wood missed the start of camp, but when he did hit the practice field, he'd taken all first-team reps at right guard away from veteran Seth McKinney within a day.  No rookie has impressed to date the way Wood has.  This guy's got it all - talent, tenacity, charisma, and leadership qualities.  If he stays healthy and his rookie season goes as expected, don't be surprised if we're talking about Wood being the key young building block on our offensive line, nor as if he's the best player on it.

Star-divide

Round 2, Pick 42: Jairus Byrd, FS, Oregon.  Ah, yes - the pick that everyone loves to hate.  Right now, mitigating circumstances haven't changed that opinion much; Byrd missed several days of camp, and upon finally signing his rookie deal, he was promptly put on the shelf for two weeks as he recovers from sports hernia surgery.  As a result, not even Buffalo's coaches have seen Byrd on the field since early May.  Byrd's been in camp a while now, so he should be catching up on the classroom side of things.  But a rep's a rep, and Byrd has zero thus far.  He's got a long, long way to go before he sees the field this season.

Round 2, Pick 51: Andy Levitre, OG, Oregon State.  Just like Wood, Levitre has already nailed down a starting job; he is now taking the lion's share of first-team reps at left guard ahead of veteran Kirk Chambers, who is seeing reps at tackle.  Levitre came into camp smaller than anticipated - he weighed in at just 297 pounds - but the guy is strong as an ox.  He's been moving people well in the run game despite his "light" weight, and his pass protection is improving.  Many consider Levitre the weak link on the offensive line considering his status as a rookie second-round pick; I assure you, if there are breakdowns, we'll be complaining about other people before Levitre.  He'll be fine.

Round 4, Pick 121: Shawn Nelson, TE, Southern Mississippi.  Nelson missed the first practice of camp while his contract was being finalized.  He then missed several more practices dealing with an ankle injury.  When he's been on the field, however, it's been difficult to not be impressed with Nelson.  His natural talent is undeniable; he runs very well, has great size (6'5", 240), and has pretty soft hands.  Right now, the team is grooming his blocking while using him as a slot receiver in first-team red zone packages.  It's still unclear just how much he'll contribute as a rookie, but for now, it appears the Bills have finally found themselves a tight end that can "do it all," as they say.

Round 5, Pick 147: Nic Harris, LB, Oklahoma.  Many thought that Harris would push Keith Ellison for the starting job at SAM linebacker.  That's not going to happen - Ellison has that job locked down, and Harris isn't a serious contender - but that doesn't mean that Harris hasn't played well.  He's taken the majority of his reps as Ellison's understudy, and he's coming along nicely as he makes a position switch from college safety to NFL linebacker.  He still plays tentatively at times, but has also had some nice hits in practice.  He's quite good in coverage.  If Ellison goes down, the Bills will be fine plugging Harris in.

Round 6, Pick 183: Cary Harris, CB, USC.  Easily the biggest disappointment of camp to date.  The guy we'll discuss next is a big reason why; Harris' mini-camp injury didn't help either.  Harris has been at or near the bottom of the cornerback ladder thus far in camp, and when he's seen reps, he's been worse than underwhelming.  He's got a good program pedigree and some talent, but right now, his chances of making the roster appear astronomically small.

Round 7, Pick 220: Ellis Lankster, CB, West Virginia.  Lankster has been everything that Harris has not been this pre-season.  While Harris toils away at the bottom of the depth chart, Lankster has a morer-than-legitimate chance to make the roster.  He's a tough tackler and has been making plays (i.e. interceptions, those rare, rare commodities in Buffalo) left and right.  He offers the team special teams ability, both as a gunner and as depth in the return game.  This guy is just too talented and has made too many plays to not keep around.

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I don't hate the Byrd pick

but it really sucks that he is not on the field. It makes the pick seem worse than it was.

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by billsoferie on Aug 6, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

hate Byrd pick?

at least he’s here. Funny how some are hating on Byrd, yet nothing negative about the mancrush holdout or his agent. sad.

by dzil on Aug 6, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, in this particular thread, I’d say it’s the exact opposite.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

it was aimed at you, Brian. lol

by dzil on Aug 6, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

How, in any way, was I “hating” on Byrd? I’ve been a fan of the pick since the day it was made. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

guess I was going by the “Ah, yes – the pick that everyone loves to hate.” comment, followed by “haven’t changed that opinion much”. If it’s your observation rather than your opinion, fine. I just haven’t noticed many people “hating” the pick so I figured you must be agreeing with the statement. Sorry if I misinterpreted your comments. On the other hand, I am convinced that you are the worlds biggest Maybin fan. Not saying that’s a bad thing, just an observation

by dzil on Aug 6, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Maybin. But he hasn’t proven anything. The sooner he’s in camp, the better. Here’s hoping Chris Ellis makes life easier for him.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i said i don't hate it

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by billsoferie on Aug 6, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, I know. I was agreeing with you.

by dzil on Aug 6, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is weaker on the line than Levitre?

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by billsoferie on Aug 6, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I love

how we talk about an interior lineman being “small” weighing in at nearly 300 lbs. That certainly gives you some perspective as to how much of physical specimens these player really are.

by ballinbills1315 on Aug 6, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d second that, here’s to hoping Bell shows he’s ready in his absence.

by thejimbo on Aug 6, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

if there are breakdowns, we’ll be complaining about other people before Levitre

he didn’t quite say weaker – just breakdowns. I’d be guessing the tackle positions.

the interior I think it stronger – it still might take half the season – but that interior should be pretty good

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by J2 on Aug 6, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Brian has provided an excellent run-down but I would take issue a little with his description of Levitre, who has very strong legs but lacks the kind of strength one wants at the NFL level in his upper-body. By next year, after spending the offseason in the Bills conditioning program, he will be fine, but it remains a question whether he will be as effective as everyone is expecting this year. It’s something to keep an eye on in the preseason games.

by Macktruck on Aug 6, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

you use to be an o-linmen or coach?

you seem to take a liking to the big guys….. (that’s a good thing)

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by J2 on Aug 6, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like a lot of Bills fans I’ve been paying a lot of attention to the o-line over the last nine years and have learned more than I ever wanted to know about what makes them good. But yes, I was a RB many years ago in high school and I appreciated running behind big guys.

by Macktruck on Aug 6, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bold statement ...care to back it up?
Many consider Levitre the weak link on the offensive line considering his status as a rookie second-round pick; I assure you, if there are breakdowns, we’ll be complaining about other people before Levitre.

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by Joe P. on Aug 6, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering the same thing when I read that. I assume the inference is the tackles as Brian seems especially high on Wood and Hangartner.

Blame it on Michael Crabtree. Blame it, also, on his agent, Eugene Parker.

Or put some of the blame on the player. If Maybin really wants to be in camp he would be (unless the Bills are lowballing him, which doesn’t seem that likely). The parameters are there from Orakpo and the 2008 draft class signings.

The agent works for Maybin, not the other way around. Maybin chose his agent for a reason. (And if the agent doesn’t do what Maybin wants he can get a new one in a second).

If he wants to try and squeeze out every dollar he can that’s his prerogative (you never know what can happen and this could be his only contract). But let’s not hold him blameless because he says things most people like to hear. Actions speak louder than words, and Maybin is the one deciding he wants more money. A lot of us (most?) would do the same thing in the same situation, but that’s not reason to blame everyone but the person who has control over whether he signs or not.

by Pistol on Aug 6, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybin chose his agent for a reason

probably money

Say Parker (for arguments sake) wants 3% of Maybin’s contract total. Then let’s say the Rosenhaus etc… all come in at 5%.

So in order for Parker to make up the 2+% that the agents normally get (again, just for arguments sake) he “sells” his clients on waiting a little longer for a bigger payday. Then in turn Parker gets more money at his 3% which makes it look a little closer to the 5% on the books that Rosenhaus or whomever came to him and said that’s what they would cost.

Plus Parker might be a good seller to the young guys that have no real world experience in business, let alone NFL contracts and muli-million dollar deals.

or Parkers just a jackass and is pulling one over on all of his clients.

I’ve seen this argument before – I understand and agree – but it’s not out of the norm. this type of thing happens every year. Are the Bills and Maybin getting hurt by this? Absolutely.

I just think he’s young and Parkers a good seller of his services

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by J2 on Aug 6, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Parker is not even Maybin’s agent. Joel Segal is.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 6, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is correct...

Joel is probably spending most of his time trying to get Vick a deal too.

by Buffalo Mo on Aug 6, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks! I thought it was the same agent as Peters as per Brian’s article.

Blame it, also, on his agent, Eugene Parker

also – it really doesn’t change that theory

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by J2 on Aug 6, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crabtree’s agent is Parker.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 6, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, by “his”, I meant Crabtree’s agent.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Maybin really wants to be in camp he would be

Yeah, that’s everyone’s favorite argument – and it’s nowhere near how it really works.

If Maybin was a vet looking for a new deal, then yeah, you can make that argument. He’s under contract in that scenario. Right now, Maybin’s not under contract, obviously. He can’t be anywhere near the practice facility until a deal is reached.

That’s not to say that a rookie is completely blameless, I suppose, but if you’re assigning a percentage of the blame, it’s less than 1%. Really, they’re at the mercy of the agent and the franchise. They have to get as much money as they can, because this might be the only NFL deal they sign.

The “he can just get a new agent” thing is crap, too, because if that happens, all negotiations go right out the window and you’re starting from scratch. Then you have to wait multiple days for the paperwork to clear with the league office. That makes no sense.

Y’all can blame the player all you want, but in the grand scheme of things, Maybin is pretty severely handcuffed.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec’d. Getting a little tired of the “blame the rookie” crowd.

Also, on an unrelated note, your "y’all"s appear to be occurring more frequently lately.

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by thatguy34 on Aug 6, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not to say that a rookie is completely blameless, I suppose, but if you’re assigning a percentage of the blame, it’s less than 1%.

I disagree. If a rookie really wants to be in camp he can direct his agent to accept the offer on the table. We see it from time to time. (Wasn’t Joe Thomas one of those ‘Get me there now’ guys?)

Don’t get me wrong. I see why a rookie would want as good of a contract as he can get. Let’s see, he’ll lose 3% to an agent, 1.45% to medicare, 7.5% (of the first $200,000 I think) to Social Security, something like 39% to federal income and up to 11% to state taxes, not to mention any local taxes should the team play in a jurisdiction that allows such monstrosities. That comes out to, what, about 60% of the total value of the deal in taxes and fees? Yikes! On top of the fact that the rookie will see less than half of his contract (even if he gets every dollar in the deal) he’s still got to worry about career ending injuries and such. It’s just a question of how much is enough.

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by Ron From NM on Aug 6, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

120K to Social Security to be exact sir, thats the problem with it, the cap needs to be raised to keep it solvent

But thats not an arguement for here.

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by WABillsfan on Aug 6, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s everyone’s favorite argument – and it’s nowhere near how it really works….. Right now, Maybin’s not under contract, obviously. He can’t be anywhere near the practice facility until a deal is reached.

No, I fully realize that. I’m saying that if Maybin wants to be in camp a contract would be done quickly because the parameters of a deal are easy to determine, and outlined here many months ago, (which is why I referenced the Orakpo contract and 2008 signings in the next sentence).

Maybin’s either not in camp because the Bills are not offering him a fair deal, or he’s looking for more money. The Bills haven’t seemed to lowball draft picks prior to this so I tend to think it’s more the latter than the former. His agent might be steering him to hold out for more money, but that’s Maybin’s choice, not his agent.

That’s his choice to fight for more money, and I’m not saying I wouldn’t do the same in his shoes, but I fail to see how Aaron Maybin is being handcuffed by the person he is employing to represent him.

I feel like I’m coming across as anti-Maybin, or anti-players making money which I’m not at all (because if players don’t make money, owners do). But what I’m really trying to get across is that people like to blame agents in situations like these and I think it’s misguided.

by Pistol on Aug 6, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybin is not being held hostage here and he does have some say here. To say he holds less than 1% blame is BS imo. At some point he’s gotta be pushing his agent to get it done. Parameters are there. Blaming Crabtree and Parker only and not Maybin/Segal is just crazy.

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by Kurupt on Aug 6, 2009 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh, I never said anything about Segal. If there were an evil smiley face thingamajig, I’d put it here.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am so clever that sometimes I don’t understand a single word of what I am saying

by J2 on Aug 6, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not what I said. I was basically saying there should be, and will be, bigger worries up front than Levitre.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure that you can be disappointed in Cary Harris given that he is a 6th rounder and injured. You kinda can’t expect anything after the 5th to be valuable. He just looks worse because Lankster has looked so good (w00t!).

by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 6, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I understand your point, but I think you took it a little far. I mean you’re just asking for a Tom Brady reference with that comment. 199th overall? Or the undrafteds – Peters, Rhodes, etc.

Most 5+ rounders see limited NFL action, but that doesn’t mean you can’t expect them to be valuable – many are.

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by TEMSON on Aug 6, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

My point wasn’t that nobody beyond the 5th round is valuable. Rather, you can’t ASSUME they’re going to be valuable. Coaches don’t go into a season thinking that the rookie 7th round DE is going to be taking half the snaps there during the season. It’s just not prudent. I just meant that basically anything after the 5th round is gravy. I always hear coaches and GMs say that luck has a lot to do with it that late in the draft, and I agree. Lankster is a pleasant surprise. Harris is what I would expect.

by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 6, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He just looks worse because Lankster has looked so good (w00t!).

Wrong. There’s no comparison being made. Harris has looked genuinely terrible. He’s been schooled by Shaine Smith on more than one occasion.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that’s unfortunate. Any thoughts on how much is injury and how much is him just flat out sucking?

by WhyBillsWhy on Aug 6, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Byrd

I really want to see Byrd get out there. I’m more than willing to give this kid every opportunity to succeed, and I think that’s exactly what the Bills coaching staff is thinking. I think Byrd has the potential to take the Bills secondary from above average, to possibly a play-making secondary which would only have taken Dick Jauron 4 years to assemble:)

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by MARVelous on Aug 6, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Do you think that when Byrd comes back the he will take Whitner’s position (fist team reps) at FS and Whitner will move to SS? Or do you think Byrd will take second team reps at FS from here on out?

by nateinrochester on Aug 6, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The latter.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed. until Whitner has a major F-up

by dzil on Aug 6, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

which I don’t think he’ll do. He will probably be solid, but underwhelming as usual. I’m hoping Byrd will get game time in the three safety packages.

by thejimbo on Aug 6, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, I think we all need to get used to the fact that Whitner will be great in any role he’s put in… he just won’t have any interceptions, forced fumbles… he will be extremely consistent – consistently not giving us big plays. I figure it’s better to have no expectations for Whitner and then be really excited if he actually does anything…

by Ghetts on Aug 6, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nate Nate calling out to Nate!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Goose22 on Aug 6, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re:Byrd

" I think Byrd has the potential to take the Bills secondary from above average, to possibly a play-making secondary which would only have taken Dick Jauron 4 years to assemble:)"

Hard to keep assembling a secondary when the Bills have a history of letting talented DB’s leave thru Free agency….

by Goose22 on Aug 6, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not naive enough

to think that a six round draft pick should be counted on as a significant player. Nor that it’s within reason that a 7th round pick can out perform a 6th. My disappointment is with the position choice. With our issues on the defensive line how could this pick not be a DT or DE? Even if its another project player.

If your in the 6th round, and you know you have an abundance at a certain position, to pick someone at the CB position you better have 4th round grade on him. Obviously Harris isn’t performing like 4th round material. In saying all this I think you take your chances on BIG. DE or DT should have been the pick there.

by Buffalonian on Aug 6, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

But the Inner Circle loves DBs.

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by Ron From NM on Aug 6, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have am abundance of DTs too.

And at DE we are going to be looking at cutting our third round pick from last year (Ellis) or Copeland Bryan who has at least been consistent. We have an abundance at DT, too, and a late round DE probably wasn’t going to make the team either so your argument that we are stacked at CB is flawed.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 7, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Count me among the Byrd pick haters

Or at least dislikers. I don’t know that I hate the pick but I certainly wasn’t happy about it with much greater needs at DE, OL, LB. If Byrd goes on to become a stud I’ll happily admit that it really was a good pick….and not just more of the Inner Circle’s DB fetish. Or maybe it will turn out to both be a good pick and more of the Inner Circle’s DB fetish.

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by Ron From NM on Aug 6, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Add one more to this list

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by Joe P. on Aug 6, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

just don’t hate the player…..hate the pick

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by J2 on Aug 6, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Byrd pick haters"

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by Ron From NM on Aug 6, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

was a general comment – I (think) i’ve read enough of your posts to know you wouldn’t hate the player. just the pick – an assessment i happen to agree with

but your talking to the guy that just wants linemen drafted in the first few rounds almost every year until their just sweet and solid

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by J2 on Aug 6, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t even hate Fowler or Preston, though I hated the way they played—and that the Bills kept ignoring the position. When TO was signed I went from being a TO hater to rooting for the guy. So, I hope Byrd has 10+ INTs this season and maybe knocks Randy Moss out on a vicious (and legal) hit in the end zone to seal a Bills win.

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by Ron From NM on Aug 6, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

why all the Byrd/CB references...

when he was selected to be a "ball hawking Free Safety?

by dzil on Aug 6, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

UFa's

Brian,
Can you do a summary of the UFA’s too?

by south123 on Aug 6, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Ashlee Palmer is the only one worth even mentioning at this point

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by Kurupt on Aug 6, 2009 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah...

he’s been getting second team reps at LB from time to time.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 7, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

DB's

The Bills are like the Old Lady who lived in a Shoe—-
They have so many Defensive backs they don’t know what to do
They keep drafting and drafting to keep restocking the lot
But when their contracts come due they’re out of Buffalo like a shot

by Goose22 on Aug 6, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Well done Goose....Dice Clay would almost be proud :-)

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by Joe P. on Aug 6, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

DB fetishes

if you need to win in your division, and the top dog in your division pretty consistently runs 4 and sometimes 5 wideout offenses, you better have some decent DBs.

on how many percent of defensive snaps are DB’s nearly 50% of D players on the field?

why don’t the bills retain good DB’s? because they cost an ungodly fortune on the free agent market. (see clements, nate.)
why do they cost a fortune? because everybody wants them.
why do they want them? because the nfl is more than ever a pass happy ball game.
what is the most cost effective way to acquire them?

draft them.

by LeClaireBill on Aug 6, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

What players, or even coaches, who are very good/great at their position don't cost a fortune?

QB…no, WR…no, RB…no, LT….uuummmmm NO, DT…no, DE….no. How about everyone’s dream coach for the Bills, “The Chin”, think he would come cheap?

I would put all of those players higher on the list than CB, and aside from T.O. (who signed at a bargain rate), we have not signed any big name FA prospects in a very long time. Sure it is cost effective to draft any player from almost any position, but if you want to finish higher than saaaay 7-9, you are going to have to pay the players you groom if you want to be more than a farm team for the big boys. And that is if you are lucky enough to actually draft players that turn into top players. Now, I am not saying you can pay everyone, but who is the last big name FA that the Bills have decided was worth the price? The Bills have a history of letting their best people walk and extending people like Kelsay and Jauron. McGee is up soon. Want to bet we let him go too? Then we have a good reason to take another DB with our 1st round pick in 2010.

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by Joe P. on Aug 6, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which Draft Class would you rather have?

It’s so hard to draft, get all your needs filled, and guess at who’s going to be available later on… That said, here’s a list of who I would have tried to pick knowing I need DE’s, T, S, TE (and an OLB and back up DT would have been nice.)
RD1 Orakpo (DE) vs. Maybin
RD1 Britton (T) vs Wood
RD2 Everette Brown (DE) vs. Byrd
RD2 William Moore (S) vs Levitre
RD4 Same pick Nelson (TE) I think 2 years from now he could be considered the steal of the draft.
RD5 Duke Robinson (G) vs Nic Harris
RD 6 Zack Follet (OLB) vs Cary Harris
RD7 Ricky Jean-Francois (DT) vs Lankster (Although Lankster is impressive in camp from what I hear.

Now Maybin maybe the second coming of Derrick Thomas (and God knows we all hope he will be) but I would have felt better if the Bills weren’t putting all their pass rushing eggs in his basket. Getting two rushers would have been better since we need that much help.
The Britton pick is simple, he was the highest rated T still on the board and I think Moore will develop into a poorman’s Ed Reed clone.

My guess is that next year, we will need T, DE and S as our most pressing needs. The good news is that if we lose enough games we may have a shot at getting Taylor Mays.

by Moose68 on Aug 7, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I would rather have had the draft class we got.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 7, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

How would two pass rushers help when they wouldn’t have been able to see the field? You’re going to sit your Pro Bowler for a rookie?

If you select Britton your OL still looks like this – Walker, Robinson, Hang, Butler, Britton and people are still worried about Walker at LT and nobody knows if Robinson will even be able to start at any point this year.

Why can’t Byrd develop into a poorman’s Ed Reed?

I’ll agree that T, DE, and S may very well be our most pressing need next year but the answer to those needs isn’t in your post.

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by MattRichWarren on Aug 8, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or it might be QB, DT, and LB......it is way to early to tell.

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by Joe P. on Aug 8, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybin Signing

Hey Brian,

Any news on if Maybin will sign now that some more players who where drafted around him signed? Now that Hall of Fame ceremonies are over maybe we can get Brandon to work the phones a little.

Since all he will do this year is rush the passer on 3rd down I’m guessing he won’t need a lot of time in camp.

by Moose68 on Aug 9, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

PS Byrd

I could be wrong but I think Moore and Reed are a little bit bigger and more physical than Byrd.

And I agree with Joe P. We might need a new QB (if Edwards gets hurt behind this line) and we will definitely need a new OLB.

I’m not looking forward to this season since we will face 8 opponents who had 11 or more wins last year. That’s a lot of teams that proved they can play better than us already.

by Moose68 on Aug 9, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

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