Bills practice recap, 8/6: Rumblings goes camping
Every year, I make at least one trip to St. John Fisher College in Pittsford to take in a Buffalo Bills training camp practice. No matter how long I do this, I'm always amazed at two things the first time I go each year: just how awesome the atmosphere is, and just how boring the practices are.
Rather than give you our normal breakdown, I'm instead going to use this post as an opportunity to get some things off of my chest. I've just got a few observations about some players to throw out there; as it was a short practice (the Bills are quite dinged up at the moment, particularly on defense), there wasn't much in the way of highlights.
QB Trent Edwards. Trent looked a little off to me tonight. He still seems a little hesitant to make the throws, and on more than one occasion the ball wasn't in a spot where the receiver could make the catch. He did have a perfect strike to Terrell Owens that Owens could only get one hand on; there was good coverage on the play. If there's a negative about Trent, it's that he's still trying to hit the perfect play (at least in practice). He'll thrive if he's assertive in picking up the sure yardage. The positives: he looks extremely comfortable running the no-huddle, and he looks quite calm in the pocket. His feet aren't as happy as they have been the past couple of seasons. He's making all the right reads. It was nice to see him working with Alex Van Pelt for an extra 20 minutes after practice as well. Trent just needs to play.
WR Justin Jenkins. Jenkins turned in the play of the night when he tipped a Gibran Hamdan throw over double coverage from Reggie Corner and George Wilson to himself for a long scoring play. He also hauled in a long throw from Hamdan over Terrence McGee earlier in the session. I realize that he's buried on the depth chart and working against bodies (as opposed to players), but the guy looks like a Pro Bowl receiver out there. He's a very smooth athlete with good hands. Buffalo's coaching staff is going to have a hard time cutting this guy.
TE Derek Schouman. This guy is lining up everywhere. On the line, in the slot, in the backfield - he's all over the place. What's more, he's the only tight end to get reps in all three places with the first unit. Derek Fine and Shawn Nelson get a lot of work in all three areas as well, but it's clear that Schouman is going to be the starting tight end, with Nelson getting specialized packages. Fine might have a hard time finding playing time, at least initially.
LT Langston Walker. Walker looked fantastic tonight. The guy is a monster pass blocker. He's agile, and he's so big that if he gets an arm on you, you're done rushing the passer now, thank you very much. The only area where he might struggle is with speed rushers; the Bills don't exactly have a lot of those at the moment. We'll see how that goes when the time comes; in the meantime, breathe easy. He looks good.
C Geoff Hangartner. I wasn't a fan of the snap he put over Edwards' head, but I liked the way Hangartner blocked tonight. He's not an overwhelming power guy, but boy, can he move. Expect to see him do a lot of pulling this year.
OG Eric Wood. If Marshawn Lynch is willing to part with his "Beast Mode" moniker for the duration of his suspension, I'll nominate Wood as the recipient for those three games. This guy is nasty.
DE Aaron Schobel. I didn't see as much of him as I'd have liked to, considering the shortage of defensive linemen and the short practice, but Schobel looked quick tonight. He's moving very well. The foot doesn't look like it's anywhere near a problem. We'll need him to be productive early in the season.
DE Chris Ellis. Copeland Bryan being sidelined is about the worst thing that could have happened to Ellis, because he's got no competition right now, and he's playing like it. He looks very comfortable and ordinary out there. Nothing about his game stands out much - he's tough, he's got some speed, but he's handled a lot as well. I was not impressed - but again, it was just one practice.
DT John McCargo. Easily Buffalo's most active defensive lineman tonight. Worked his butt off. Tipped a pass at the line, and was very tough to block in one-on-one drills. That's very promising news indeed; the Bills need all the run-stuffing they can get.
LB Pat Thomas. I'm going to try to get a closer look at Thomas tomorrow, but the little I saw of him tonight, I liked. He's a fine athlete. He came up with a blocked punt tonight, and continues to run with the second unit defense at middle linebacker. The fact that he's played in NFL games skyrockets his value to this team, and makes him a lock for the final roster. I just want to see more.
CB Ellis Lankster. This guy is fun to watch. He's got a little Antoine Winfield in him in that he's not a big guy, but he's nicely built and can really play. He looked great in coverage and also looked excellent in punt drills (he did not see any action in the return game). It's going to be tough to cut him. He's really impressive.
CB Cary Harris. I saw Harris attempt to jam Shaine Smith tonight and whiff by a country mile. I also saw an extremely raw athlete with loads of potential. A virtual lock for the practice squad.
P Brian Moorman. I just thought it was awesome that he lined up as a kick returner with the scout team return unit. He did not, however, touch the ball. I wanted him to, though.
It was a short practice and I've only got two eyes, so that's about all I've got information-wise for you. I'll be back at camp tomorrow, so if there are any players you'd like me to keep an eye on, mention them in a comment and I'll keep a list. There were some things that I liked tonight, and some I didn't. Pretty typical of a training camp practice. Looking forward to tomorrow.
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How about word on Levitre and Bell? Or was Chambers taking the reps at RT?
Also, the Bills used a lot of 2 TE sets last year. Are they practicing with 2 TEs much or are they pretty much sticking with 1 TE sets?
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- Bell took RT reps at first and second team. Chambers was second-team left guard. I didn’t get a close look at Levitre. Bell is a superb athlete, but don’t expect much until he sees extensive pre-season action.
- Yeah, they did some two tight ends tonight (Schouman and Fine).
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 6, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you think Lankster will get cut? If he is showing such a nose for the ball and with OBD stating we need more playmaking
doesn’t that mean his value is much greater than C Harris? I mean yeah Harris has a USC pedigree but that D pedigree really only seems to count with LBers and some DLineman, not many of their DBs have gone on to much in recent years after being with Carrol
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But he said it’ll be tough to cut Lankster and said Harris is pretty much a PS candidate and not much else. Basically, Lankster is far ahead of Harris…
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by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2009 12:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he meant it as though it’s going to be tough finding a reason to cut Lankster – he’ll be one less person you can count as a casualty.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 7, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That, indeed, is what I meant.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 7, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d imagine Josh Reed will take a lot of those 2 TE sets away. But the team would be crazy to not take advantage of their depth with different formations, especially with the no huddle. You could put 2 TEs on the field and run one play with both guys lined up next to a tackle, hurry to the line and split both out in a slot, effectively showing 4 wide and then line up both TEs on the same side of the field on the very next play. And that’s all without the defense getting much of a chance to change personel.
Reed was on the field a lot in the slot. Obviously. I’d say they did slightly more of that, actually. They also did a lot with Schouman in the slot, with Nelson following him.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 7, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Derek Fine and Shawn Nelson get a lot of work in all three areas as well
Did they use Nelson in the backfield?
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I saw it once, but that might have been it. He spends most of his time in the slot.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 7, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions
But with his big size, the slot is where he should be this year. man i can’t wait to see what he can do in a real game.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 7, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I know he is on no one’s radar but how is Nick Henessey doing, the OT from Colgate? I am hoping he can land a spot on the practice squad or is he a definite cut?
Didn’t keep a close eye on him, but I can for you tonight. He’s buried on the depth chart.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 7, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Jenkins:
Many people have said we could carry four tight ends and leave out a fullback. I’d rather carry Jenkins as a sixth receiver since Roscoe Parrish doesn’t really count as one, anyway. If Hardy starts the season on the PUP list things could get interesting.
Brian, speaking of Parrish, did you see anything positive or negative from him in the passing game?
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Parrish caught one pass and put a disgusting juke on Reggie Corner to pick up another 10 or so yards. He was running second team WR with Reed. He looks like the same old guy, but then he’s always been dominant in the practice setting because he’s so quick. He’s fun to watch.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 7, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
This is sounding like the same old Trent. Indecisive and hesitant, two words we can’t hear this year if we’re going to have any success. He has to be MUCH improved over last year, not just slightly improved….
I wonder if Jenkins will make the squad if Hardy stays on the PUP. I am kind of hoping they keep him on there to start the year and then decide later whether they should activate him at all this year.
How did Youboty, Florence and Corner look today?
Man, we need Maybin ASAP
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by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2009 12:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Indecisive and hesitant
Those aren’t the two words I would use to describe TE at all. Short of the Cleveland game last year, I would pretty much say those are the exact opposite of any words I would use in describing Trent. Anxious, cautious, conservative? Yes. Indecisive and hesitant, no.
Trent’s issue is that he often makes his decision too quickly, and that decision is usually to find the pass with the smallest risk (e.g. dump off). Losman was indecisive and hesitant, and then when he finally got around to make a decision, it was quite often a bone-headed one.
Trent needs to gain confidence in himself and the pass protection around him. In the beginning of the season, the Chargers game, the Chiefs game, and the Broncos game (to an extent), Trent displayed his true talent: reading a defense quickly, making the right read, and executing it. Once defenses figured him out a little bit (and after he got knocked around a little), he quickly regressed. If he can stay in that comfort zone (and expand on it), we’ll see the Trent we saw in the Chargers game. If he is unable to gain confidence in himself or the time he has to throw the ball, we’ll see the same scared Trent that dumps the ball off to RB’s and TE’s 9-10 times a game.
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I’d say Trent was extremely hesitant last year. He just did not want to go downfield as the season progressed. Hesitant, cautious, conservative, etc, they all refer to the same basic idea surrounding Trent.
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by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2009 12:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hesitant to go downfield, yes. But he’s not an indecisive QB.
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I’d have to go with hesitant as well. Edwards made a habit of throwing to guys who were open as opposed to throwing to guys who were going to come open….not a model for success when facing consistent heavy coverage schemes.
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That’s my one beef with Trent, he still (sometimes) fail to see an opening before it happens. Thats going to have to change if he wants to become the QB we all want him to be.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 7, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
HAve t agree with K
I can’t let another QB blind me with the hope he will be good. I can accept that he is trying to make sure he knows the best read while in practice, but if the trend continues, through the preseason, I will be worried
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Indecisive and hesitant were probably the wrong words to use. it was late. :)
He was throwing the deep throws tonight. He just missed Owens and Schouman on two beautiful seam looks, and that’s where the hesitancy came in – he had the perfect look, but he was a fraction of a second late making the decision, and his throw was off just enough that the receiver couldn’t haul it in. He had a number of excellent throws. I think I only saw him “check it down” to a RB once or twice.
It’s not the same Trent. He looks a lot better. He just needs a bit more confidence, and he needs to just let it rip on occasion – he’s still aiming. He can throw.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 7, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
To piggy back off that… While he hasn’t been going deep very often, he has been throwing a lot of intermediate routes 10-20 yards off the ball to Lee and Owens as well as Schouman and Nelson. They are over the middle and towards the sidelines.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 7, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
good
Because that’s where he absolutely refused to go last year. Those need to be a staple of this O.
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by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2009 10:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The pass T.O. went stone hands on Wednesday was a twenty yarder over the middle.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 7, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Another question???
Great recaps on the practices—-Thanks!!
What players have stood out in becoming the team leaders?
That’s pretty tough to tell from a practice setting… the only one I can definitively say is Owens.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 7, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Does Edwards look like a young Kelly?
Ok looking at kelly Career when he started he was average had injury’s here and there and did not get star receivers until Andre Reed.
Edwards Career so far Average injury’s here and there and did not have a huge Receiver to throw to besides Evans because always double covered to do you think Edwards could be Quarterback the Bills have been looking for a long time Sense Kelly?
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No.
They’re completely different players. Let Trent Edwards be Trent Edwards.
And as for this question…
do you think Edwards could be Quarterback the Bills have been looking for a long time Sense Kelly?
If we could answer that question, none of us would have any worries about the upcoming season. We’d know what our chances were. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 7, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Ellis
What did you see out of Ellis that caused you concern? Most of the reports on him have been positive. Was he getting blown up on run plays or stood up on pass plays? Or both?
Anything to report on Ellison/Harris or Whitner/Scott?
Is Lynch still getting most of the first team reps or is fred Jackson getting more since he will be the guy for the first 3 weeks.
RBs – they are splitting them pretty equally three ways. Those guys are all veterans.
Ellison has the job locked down with Harris being his backup.
Whitner has been playing centerfield and Scott has been going up to the line and helping run support and covering Nelson from time to time.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 7, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Neither, actually. He’s average in both departments. He looks better than he did last season. That’s not saying much.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 7, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I love the way the bills bring up talent at the Corner position
we always seem to have some real nice CB prospects….it seems our business model is to constantly be bringing up CB prospects so that we never have to pay big for a corner…we invest roster spots instead of salary cap dollars…
i think that’s a good thing overall
That’s fine and all if the team had better front 7 talent. Bringing in DB’s and neglecting those positions has made it virtually impossible to get the most out of all of them.
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by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2009 10:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I tend to agree with you, and tend to disagree with you
I do think we need better front seven talent (especially at DE and OLB)…but I don’t think the answer would be to start spending 5-7 round picks on DL…
clearly this coaching staff feels confident about their ability to develop unheralded college CB’s into NFL calliber players and they clearly do not feel the same about their capability to do this with front seven guys…
I think we should continue to do just as we are doing in drafting CB prospects late
we should look to the early rounds of the draft and free agency to get front seven talent….
I think your mistake is to think it’s an either or situation…just look at our ability to bring along CB’s as a strength, which means there is one less position to worry about
by tiimbitz4786 on Aug 7, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Also went to practice last night
who is number 54??
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Your name is clever… but sad :-(
54 is Nic Harris
88 is Stupar
74 is Hennessey
Those are the number changes from the programs and rosters that are out there
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 7, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Steve Johnson?
Any updates on him from practice?
He practiced fully.
Granted they did no tackling or hitting when he was on the field. I wouldn’t expect him to play Sunday because of the full contact but he’s been practicing.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 7, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions

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