Linemen dropping like flies at Bills camp
Heading into the Hall of Fame pre-season game this Sunday in Canton, Ohio, the Buffalo Bills have been dealing with several issues along their defensive line. Aaron Maybin is a holdout. Copeland Bryan is injured. Undrafted rookie free agents Ventrell Jenkins and David Lindquist are gone (Lindquist for personal reasons). On Friday, two more players left practice early, as both Spencer Johnson and John McCargo left the field within a five-minute period.
There's a reason that the Bills have acquired linemen Derrick Jones and Ataefiok Etukeren over the past two days - they barely have enough bodies to get through a pre-season game as it is. If Johnson and McCargo can't go on Sunday, Buffalo's second-team defensive tackles will be Jones and Corey Mace. Yikes.
Other than the walking wounded (RB Dominic Rhodes left early as well, by the way), the Bills seem eager to play another team and lay the lumber against a living, breathing opponent. That will happen in a little over two days' time. For now, we'll recap the day's events at St. John Fisher just as we did yesterday - with a few player observations. Those appear after the jump.
QB Trent Edwards. He looked much better today than he did last night. His throws were crisp, and he looked far more decisive. He did throw an interception to rookie Ellis Lankster, but had a few nice connections with Terrell Owens and a terrific 20-yard seam route to Derek Schouman. Edwards and the starters will get a series or two on Sunday; let's hope the offense can make use of those live reps. Look for Trent to call his own plays as well.
RB Marshawn Lynch. He looked as good as he usually does in practice, but that's not why I'm mentioning him here. The dude walked right past me; he was literally inches away. The added weight everyone is talking about is legitimate. He's a specimen. You couldn't pay me enough to try to tackle that guy. We're going to miss him in Weeks 1-3.
WR Steve Johnson. Johnson has been essentially a full participant at practice for the past two days after missing a bunch of practices with a rib injury. He looked very solid out on the field today; Ryan Fitzpatrick, Gibran Hamdan and Matt Baker look for Johnson a lot. Even with Roscoe Parrish on the team, I'll go out on a limb and guess that Johnson will be the primary backup to each of Lee Evans, Terrell Owens and Josh Reed.
WR Shaine Smith. This guy is freakishly skinny. But he can play. He's very long and has some good speed; you'll see him run some deep routes on Sunday. He has a chance to stick in some capacity (likely the practice squad).
TE Derek Schouman. I've been impressed with Schouman. He's the best tight end on the field by a considerable margin.
The offensive line. These guys sucked today. Chris Kelsay blew up Demetrius Bell (who once again took first-team reps at right tackle) on a continuous basis. Derrick Jones, of all people, made Geoff Hangartner look like a tackling dummy. Jermaine McGhee looked like the second coming of Jevon Kearse. It really was brutal; the run game wasn't any better. My guess is that it'll be like this for a while - they'll be dominant at times, and awful the rest of the time. They've got the right players; all of them have their moments. Gel time is so crucial.
Chris Ellis. I paid pretty close attention to him today; there could literally be a million reasons why, but the guy looked like he was going half-speed through every drill. Bob Sanders got on his case more than once. Somebody needs to remind Ellis that the Bills are four-deep at end - Aaron Schobel, Kelsay, Ryan Denney and Aaron Maybin aren't going anywhere - and there's no guarantee the team will keep five ends. No sense of urgency on his part; he looks like he either is resigned to his fate, or believes that there's no chance he'll get cut.
John McCargo. Before he limped off the field, nobody was busting tail harder than McCargo (though Kyle Williams, who was the best player on the field today, certainly gave him a run for his money). 97 looks like he's in great shape, and he's moving very well. Here's hoping he recovers quickly, because he looked like he's primed for a big season today.
Kawika Mitchell. I like watching Kawika practice. He moves well out there. You can tell that the rest of the linebackers - Paul Posluszny in particular - mimic his every move. He's an underrated player, but more importantly, he's an outstanding influence on some talented young players.
Leodis McKelvin. I've seen him live dozens of times, and I'm still floored by his athleticism. He is an astonishing, unique athlete. He looked much better in coverage today than he has over the past couple of weeks.
Ellis Lankster. More praise for the rookie seventh-round pick. While Ashton Youboty watched in sweats, Lankster calmly stepped in front of an Edwards dart and took it the other way. We might even be talking about Lankster as a fifth corner behind Terrence McGee, McKelvin, Drayton Florence and Reggie Corner before long. Seriously.
That's all for this week's camp practice recaps. I can take questions if you have them; saw a lot more today than I did last night, as I was able to move around much more. Tomorrow is all about the Hall of Fame. Hang in there for 48 hours, folks - we're thisclose to seeing the 2009 Buffalo Bills suit up.
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Great report...
I feel like i’m there with these updates….
Question
is matt baker competing with hamdon at all or is he resigned to be cut? practice squad? or more generally, who is matt baker?
Oh Matt Baker is a camp arm. He will not make the final roster.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 8, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Look for Trent to call his own plays as well.
By what I`m hearing this is starting to sound more and more like a cross between the K-Gun and Indy`s no huddle. And I love that Trent is calling his own plays; he`s a very smart QB and theres no reason for him not to at this point. Let`s hope all of this pays off.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 7, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions
And I really like what I`m hearing about Lankster. Wouldn`t it be amazing 7 of our 8 draft pics become important parts of this team at one point or anotherÉ Yeah I know that they haven`t taken a single snap in a real game yet, but they are already showing signs of (possibly) being our best draft class since `88. Usually a good draft brings out 3 or 4 players, a great draft is 5 good players. We look like we might have 7 out of this class. Thats amazing.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 7, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Although I certainly have some of that same optimisim, I think this is a bit of a stretch. Of the seven you’re counting, two haven’t even touched the (practice) field yet. With talk about John McGargo improving his game and effort in his fourth year, and the overall lack of big plays from Whitner, early impressions can prove wrong about players, especially ones this early. That said, if this draft class were to be a phenomenal or even very good one, it could very well start out like it has this training camp.
Of the seven you’re counting, two haven’t even touched the (practice) field yet.
Of the seven that I’m counting (Maybin, Woods, Byrd, Levitre, Nelson, Harris and Lankster) only Maybin hasn’t touched the feild yet, and thats because of a (hopefully soon to be over) lockout.
And yes I know that I may just be a little too optomistic, but it’s been a while since us Bills fans have had a reason to be this optimistic. Let’s let it roll shall we? ;-)
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 7, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Byrd has seen the field less then Maybin. Unless you count standing on the sideline watching practice “seeing the field”, in which case they’re even.
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byrd’s been in the lockerroom, working with the DBs coach and defensive coordinator, and is doing all the same bookwork as the other players. maybin’s doing some lifting at a gym and playing xbox. i think byrd’s a little ahead currently.
Well, Maybin was at OTAs when Byrd couldn’t be because of school rules – I wouldn’t be so sure about that.
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Byrd did participate in the Rookie camp, as did Maybin. Personaly I put a lot more stock in team discussions and working with the coachs as I do with OTA’s. Byrd is ahead. Altyhough you are right that he hasn’t seen the feild yet. But he will see it a lot faster then Maybin will at this point.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 8, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? I would think that if Maybin gets signed he’d be put in the rotation on obvious passing downs immediately. After all, Maybin only has to worry about getting to the QB while Byrd has to worry about coverage assignments.
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Sorry, but a rep carries far more value than theory. Maybin has played this defense. Byrd hasn’t. They’re both very behind, but as Ron says, Maybin will be thrown in right away.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
If he gets signed before Byrd gets back from injury, then yes you would both be right. But as it stand right now, I’m pessimistic about that happening.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 8, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i don’t know if you can count those OTAs as really ‘playing’ the defense. i see what you’re saying about reps, but we know both byrd and maybin can play the game. when you compare their positions, byrd is way ahead – maybin might have walked through this defense somewhat, but byrd is the one who’s actually been working on it. maybin’s been sitting in a gym…and those OTAs were a long, long time ago in the coach’s minds.
Alternate title - "Lineman dropping faster than sireric's pants on a Friday evening"
So far we are looking a minor injuries, so I am not to worried. I am much more worried about sireric’s favorite chair. I hope it is Scotchguarded :-) I wonder how many of those guys would be suiting up if it were the opener?
I’ll go out on a limb and guess that Johnson will be the primary backup to each of Lee Evans, Terrell Owens and Josh Reed.
Welcome to our limb. We may have to look for a bigger tree soon :-)
The O-line……they’ll be dominant at times, and awful the rest of the time.
This is my biggest fear for the season. We can’t afford for them to look awful, especially on MNF. If they don’t get it together by then, Edwards is going to get the crap kicked out of him. Has the offense spend any time working against a 3 man rush with 8 in coverage? Because, I would expect that to be the Pats base defense against us.
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It’s what they did last year and the Bills never even attempted to adjust.
By the way, Chris Brown said that Spencer Johnson had a minor toe injury and that McCargo had gotten leg whipped. He said both were back for the walk through and that their status for Sunday was uncertain…though his tone suggested that he suspects they’ll get some reps.
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Exactly
It’s what they did last year and the Bills never even attempted to adjust
And, Edwards looked awful against it, which is why I expect Belicheat to give Trent a big dose of it. I am hoping that the coaches have had enough time to figure out they should practice against that look.
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Agreed about facing 8 man drops. Nobody has really talked about that either. If the staff isn’t having them practice against that, they are nuts….and I wouldn’t be surprised.
~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 8, 2009 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Per Football Outsiders Almanac 2009 (Formerly Pro Football Prospectus)
“The Bills went from ranking second in fequency of max protect in 2007 to ranking second-to-last in frequency of max protect in 2008. This might be because they were rarely blitzed- the Bills faced the highest percentage of three-man rushes (12 percent) and a very low percentage of blitzes with six or more pass rushers (6.2 percent, 27th in NFL).”
100% agree with Kurupt. It they are not working against 8 man drops, this coaching staff does not get it.
by StroudFanClub on Aug 8, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
They didn’t get it last year. It was galling to hear Edwards talk about how he wasn’t seeing the same defenses on Sunday that he’d studied during the week. Teams figured out how to play Edwards and copied one another.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
2 days till some live football?
YAY
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 8, 2009 1:24 AM EDT reply actions
Youboty’s got some ground to make up against Corner and Florence. He’s still fairly young but he’s had years to play here by now. As the preseason goes on, he’d better produce or he might be looking for work.
I think that this is a make or break year for Youboty as a Bill. He’s a good player but the injuries are adding up.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 8, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Even with Roscoe Parrish on the team, I’ll go out on a limb and guess that Johnson will be the primary backup to each of Lee Evans, Terrell Owens and Josh Reed.
Then why has Roscoe been getting reps ahead of him? Do you think it’s just to keep Roscoe happy right now?
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My guess, Johnson’s injury.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 8, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the coaches give a crap about keeping people happy, Matt. Parrish is already pissed that he wasn’t traded; running with the second team isn’t going to change that.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
So that still doesn’t answer the question. If Johnson is going to be the primary backup why is Roscoe running 4th in passing drills? And CBF’s response about Johnson’s injury is bogus since it’s been that way the entire camp.
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 8, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Bogus? Little snippy this morning?
We’re two weeks into camp. We have five weeks to go for my prediction – which is exactly what it is – to either come true or not. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha, not snippy.
Just accurate. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Aug 8, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And a bit snippy. ;-)
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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 8, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Any word on McCargo, Johnson and Rhodes?
The OL should not be struggling so much against camp bodies. Gelling or not yet, that is extremely alarming. I think this is going to be a mighty poor OL for much of the year. The no-huddle is likely being run in order to help these guys out in some part.
~K
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