Insight on Inexperience on the Line
Having never played on an offensive line the knowledge I possess about what is happening in the trenches I’ve obtained – aside from a life watching the Bills– by reading. While I have certainly read a lot on the topic, a lifetime of reading newspapers and watching ESPN has taught me that you never get the full story from pundits, analysts, and experts. In much the same way, watching the Bills offensive line play as a fan can never teach me as much as I want to know The same way you would read a book on war by a General who was in one or ask what raising kids is like from someone who has done it, I like to go to these types of sources when I want to know more. While situations obviously differ, it is still valuable to know someone else’s thoughts on raising kids, even though your experience will be entirely different.
In this vain, I wrote an email to a longtime friend of mine who spent a 4 year career as a division III offensive lineman with multiple years worth of starting experience playing on some very good first place teams allowing him to obtain NCAA playoff competition experience. He is not a Bills fan, is not from Buffalo, and is largely unfamiliar with our team. My email was long as I explained as specifically as I could what the Bills situation on the line was like, even using Brian’s 2008 to 2009 starting experience difference layout within it. In the end I closed by asking him if he thought our line had the potential to gel this season.
Obviously, playing division III ball is not the same as playing in the NFL but he was highly talented on a highly talented team. Beyond that I know no one else who dedicates themselves more to a task they are engaged in, he took playing offensive lineman very seriously and I trust his opinion like few others. I thought his email response contained a few insights interesting enough to share with you guys and coming from a non-fan, I found they might stir up some good discussion:
On inexperience
I can definitely understand your concern. Having such a green offensive line is extremely concerning when you have all those offensive weapons at your skill positions. While I am not familiar with the individual personnel, the numbers are hard to look beyond. Throwing in a 2nd year guy at left tackle who has never started a down, compounded by the fact that his left guard is equally lacking in experience is very risky. He's out on an island, and guard/tackle communication is extremely important especially in pass protection schemes. The two have to be constantly talking it up, one blown assignment and a defender could walk through untouched.
He was adamant on emphasizing the importance of the guard-tackle relationship in regards to communication. It seemed to me that his biggest concern was that each half of the lines communication (LT-LG and RT-RG) were separate but vital. This leaves me more than a bit concerned with the fact that our left side of the line is two guys who have never played in the NFL, they could possibly both be bewildered on occasion with neither having experience at this level in recognizing what’s happening or communicating it to the other guy, sometimes both simultaneously.
On Hangartner
oline chemistry and communication is vital on the field, but it starts off the field with leadership. The line is starkly divided between the two halves: right and left, meaning the two do not communicate with each other much. That is why the center's role is so critical, he is the glue that keeps the line together and communicates between the two sides. In that respect you are lucky that at least your center has some experience.
We all know Hangartner is a smart but I hope he is assertive too. Reading this made me realize that I was overlooking just how vital Hangartner will be to our success on the line this year. To his left are two first timers and to his right is another. If the kids we have on the line are looking to anyone its going to be Hangman. His point about off the field leadership I found interesting. In his email he told me that the best o-line he ever played on went out to dinner as a unit every week and were centered on unity and off-the-field leadership. Can Eric Wood do that as a rookie?
On Bell
I'm sure Bell has a lot of raw talent, but so did Winston Justice-- the 6-6, 320 lb tackle selected in the second round as the 39th overall pick out of USC in 2006. The Eagles found out the hard way the next year when they put in Justice to replace injured starter William Thomas and Umenyiora put on a sack expo on Justice, racking up a career high 6 sacks. It was sad to watch. Umenyiora was even quoted as saying he had so many sacks he felt bad for the kid, and that "it was like a video game out there".
This again leaves me nervous that when Bell does feel overwhelmed, which he will at times as a rookie, his support is going to be another rookie who may also be feeling overwhelmed.
Answering the gelling question
To answer your question do I think they will be able to mesh this season, well I'd have to say it's really a question of how they interact off the field. I know from experience that the best olines to play on are the ones that have the best off the field relationships with mutual respect for one another. Also you should hope that the starting 5 now are indeed the best 5 and remain as that for the duration of the season. Competition for a starting role can screw up the rest of the line when trying to develop a rhythm. The more they work together as a unit the more they will improve week after week.
Seeing as how he was unfamiliar with the turmoil going on at OBD and the anger over Langston Walker’s release, this is an unbiased and unwitting endorsement of Jauron’s move to get rid of Walker and put in Bell rather than doing it mid-season as many here thought would happen. He also pointed out later in his email that on the best team he played for all 5 lineman were healthy for every single game. Here’s hoping right?
So after reading the email, I walked away feeling better and worse about our offensive line if that’s possible. In terms of feeling worse, I guess I may have been overlooking the seriousness of having two essential rookies on one side of the line and what it could mean for communication. While its comforting to know we will have Butler at RT to help the learning curve there, the left side is a bit scary to think about. While my friend pointed out that Bell will be left on an island, I did not mention in my email that we have a pretty good blocking tight end who will be in the game often, so I’m hoping that provides Bell some support. The good news I walked away with is the stress he put on off-the-field relationships to the most successful lines he played on. I like the personality of this group and I think that so long as they don’t splinter after a rough outing or two and turn on each other, they could develop a great rapport.
Thoughts on the youth of the o-line and gelling?
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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Call me crazy
..but I think having more than 1 rookie on the line could actually help. Stay with me here, but as far as the line gelling and playing together and being one cohesive unit, they all have something in common there. They know they are up against it. They know people are saying they have no chance at getting it right. These things, I believe, will work in their favor. They should, and I think will. play with a chip on their shoulder, and play for eachother…
I dunno, maybe it’s just the optimist in me trying to turn the worst into the best…I am such a Buffalo fan it’s pathetic at times perhaps…
"Potential just means you haven’t done sh## yet"
by willgarr15 on Sep 10, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is a valid point...
something to watch out for in post-game interviews…as if they ever interview the OL-men
by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 10, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually agree with that
the whole “going into the fire together” mentality could be good for the line.
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by poz on Sep 11, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was watching ESPN and they kept saying “The Bills are starting 3 rookies”. I understand that Bell has zero starts in the regular season – but he’s been in the playbook and in an NFL conditioning program all year.
I know he’s not going to be a pro bowler this year (well possibly) – but we cannot discount the fact that he’s not entirely green. I’m sure he’s got a firm grasp on his responsibilities and will help out Levitre in that regard as well.
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by J2 on Sep 10, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff, poz. Nice read.
i really iike our line. I know we have three newbies. However, they play hard to the whistle, are physically capable, and if they can limit their mental mistakes- then they will be just fine.
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by jj24 on Sep 10, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
voted Hargartner
but could have went Wood. I see both as possibilities, but with Hans’ experience and smarts, i see him as the initial leader with Wood asserting himself with magnificent play. Butler is a loner, and on the left, they’ll be solid followers together in the trenches…if all goes well!
Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!
by killascript on Sep 10, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I see Wood’s play being the best in the unit with Hang’s experience leading the unit.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 12, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Eric Wood do that as a rookie?
I don’t think it’s his charge. It’s on Hang to be the leader, but like killa says, Wood will man up. I still think he’ll look up to and respect Hang. I am very excited about this line being one of the NFL’s best in years to come.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 10, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
And how can I be the first one to rec this article? Nice job Poz!
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by Joe P. on Sep 10, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks Joe!
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by poz on Sep 11, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree they could be among the best by next year. The big question is how they will do the first half of this year. I am also worried about what happens if someone goes out wth an injury on the interior. Will that mean that Seth McKinney comes in? If so, he looked simply awful in the preseason. The back-up interior lineman is a crucial post on any NFL team, which is a major reason why I wanted Walker to go back to RT and Butler to RG, since that would have meant Levitre would have been the back-up and there would have been no major worries. Perhaps they will use Chambers at OG if necessary, but then what happens if an OT goes down? Scott? Is that ok? Let’s pray the starters stay healthy.
by Macktruck on Sep 10, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if someone goes out wth an injury on the interior
Chambers
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by J2 on Sep 11, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many teams have adequate replacements for two of their starting OL? If McKinney or Scott have to play it’s going to be nuts anyways.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 12, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost selected Butler...
Being the only returning starter. But with Hangman in the middle, sandwiched by rooks, he KNOWS he has to be the leader of the line…and I think he will be…
by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 10, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that the onus falls on Butler as much as Hang to be the leader of this line. It’s not a dictatorship, they both must lead these youngsters. It’s not like Hang is the overwhelming veteran of this line. Butler has only one less year but nearly twice the career starts and he is the veteran of this team on the line. This line and this team needs both of these guys to be leaders, not just Hang
"Potential just means you haven’t done sh## yet"
by willgarr15 on Sep 10, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting side note
Last line this inexperienced was 2002 Giants who went 10-6 and made playoffs. That Oline was coached by Mouse McNally – maybe give him a per diem to help out again.
btw, they were helped by the #3 D in the league that year
by freddyjj on Sep 10, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wood looks like a natural born leader and talks like one too!
Great post. I found this very interesting. I really hope they can gel by monday lol. But I really do like wood and levitre, they have shown that they can be solid. I think the bills have their line in place for the future. Its a lot to expect from a young line with essentially 4 new starters. I am counting Jeff because he was a backup most of the time in Carolina. I am worried about Bell too. As much as I didn’t want Peters and despised his horrible attitude, I think the Bills will miss him this year. If bell has a rough year expect the Bills to be looking for a LT as high priority in the draft or free agency
by csc06258 on Sep 11, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats a huge question
what do we do this year if Bell is completely overwhelmed?
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by poz on Sep 11, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chambers.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 12, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chambers would start with Bell backing him up
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by Joe P. on Sep 11, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Communications
Poz, I agree with what your friend had to say about communication being key to the success to O line. But the No-Huddle is even more taxing to the communication on the O line, because they don’t get to talk it through inside the huddle.
The unfortunate thing is, I can totally see the line being horrible at the start of the season, and slowly gel together great when the Bills’ post season hopes are all but over.
Bills fan half way around the world
by moncheri on Sep 13, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hangartner is awesome.
I have played on an offensive line and let me tell you, Hangartner is a heck of a pickup, He is definately the best talent we have had at center since Kent Hull.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 15, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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