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One phrase will be repeated over and over throughout this fine Tuesday morning in the wake of the Buffalo Bills' 25-24 heart-wrenching loss to the New England Patriots on Monday Night Football: "We had 'em."

Buffalo led in Gillette Stadium - where they still have not won a game - 14-10 at halftime, and 24-13 with just under six minutes remaining in the fourth quarter.  I won't repeat the rest, because I'm sure most of you had enough stomach issues throughout last night; I do not wish to burden your intestines further.

There isn't a ton of finger-pointing going on this morning, mostly because the vast majority of this fan base was flabbergasted that the Bills were competitive at all in this game.  If there is finger-pointing going on, the obvious target is KR Leodis McKelvin, whose fumble did not give the Bills' surprising offense a chance to put the game on ice.  McKelvin's fumble is just the tip of the iceberg, however.  These young Bills, as talented and hard-working as they are, have a lot of growing up to do.

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McKelvin made the right decision
As ugly and, unfortunately, predictable as McKelvin's fumble with under two minutes remaining was, many Bills fans spent the overnight ripping the second-year corner for returning the ball in the first place.  Folks, McKelvin had to take that ball out if he didn't think he caught it in the end zone - which he confirmed was the case after the game.  If he kneels that ball in the end zone without knowing for sure that he's clean, it's a safety, the ball goes back to New England anyways, and though they have to drive further, they only need a field goal to tie.

I don't even really fault him for fighting for extra yardage.  He fumbled at the worst moment possible; maybe that's all there is to it.  Leodis is a confident kid.  He said after the game he'd make the same play again and again.  Just hang onto the ball, kid.  It sucks, but let's not harp on his decision-making.

Penalties killed drives, particularly on offense
Perhaps the biggest detriment to the Bills' game was their untimely penalties throughout the contest.  Buffalo had that 24-13 lead, but it might have been a bit larger if the Bills had not committed 9 penalties for 71 yards up to that point.

New starting left tackle Demetrius Bell was the biggest issue; he was flagged four times in his first NFL start.  Twice, he was flagged for procedure when he did not line up on the line of scrimmage.  He also got hankies for holding and a false start.  Buffalo was routinely left in long-yardage down-and-distance situations, and although they came up with some big conversions in those situations - in the fourth quarter, to boot - those types of penalties never help.

Penalties kill drives offensively, and they sustain them defensively.  Last season, the Bills were one of the least penalized teams in the league, and that's been a strong point of this team under Dick Jauron.  It was a problem last night.  That's not completely unexpected, as the team got much younger in several key areas.

You've got to help your quarterback out
Trent Edwards - he of multiple negative nicknames and much pre-season skepticism - did everything that was asked of him last night and more.  He finished 15 of 25 for 212 yards with two touchdowns, no picks and a quarterback rating of 114.0.  He made plays with his legs, threw on the run, and for much of the game outplayed Tom Brady, who is, of course, everyone's hero again this morning, and deservedly so.

At halftime, however, Bills receivers had dropped four passes, with three of them coming on possible third-down conversions.  (More on those in a moment.)  By my count - and I have not yet watched the game on re-play, for very obvious reasons - the team dropped five passes last night.  Terrell Owens, who grabbed just two passes in his Bills debut, was a culprit, as was Lee Evans, Fred Jackson (who was absolutely fabulous in this contest) and rookie TE Shawn Nelson.  The passing game clicked, even though a shot or two down the field would have been nice.  But those are plays that the team left on the field, again to their ultimate detriment.

Situational football rules the day
By situational football, McKelvin's fumble comes into play, but for this particular chunk of the post, I'm speaking of play on third downs.  The offense finished 4 of 10 on third down conversions, and added one successful fourth down conversion to boot.  Edwards marched his team down the field on a huge drive in the fourth quarter to extend the lead to 11; that drive should not be completely diminished by the fact that the Bills lost the game.  That was a monumental drive, and it came after the Patriots chipped the lead down to four.  That's something our offense hasn't done in years.  But in the first half, the offense struggled to move the chains in key situations, mostly because of the aforementioned dropped passes; as a result, the Pats held a two-to-one advantage in time of possession at the half.

Add in the fact that Buffalo's defense was brutal on third downs, allowing 10 of 16 conversions to the Pats, and it's little wonder that the Patriots held the ball for nearly 38 minutes in this game.  Is it terribly shocking that the Bills allowed two late scores, one on a short field, when they were on the field far too long? You can't blame the no-huddle offense - not in the second half, at least - the defense just needs to get off the field.  The pass rush was getting home in the first half (DE Aaron Schobel recorded a sack and had an impressive game, by the way), but it disappeared in the second half as the Pats went to a ball-control passing attack.

From a pure talent standpoint, these Bills can stand toe-to-toe with any team in the league.  They are still a young football team, and little mistakes snowballed on them last night.  Blame McKelvin if you like; I'm blaming youth.  These young guys are fun to watch, but they need to grow up quickly.  Mistakes such as the ones we saw last night can't be commonplace, or we're going to see a lot of agonizing defeats in 2009.

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Situational football

that’s exactly what I said last night. And Leodis…I love ya man…but you gotta understand the situation. Yes, take the ball out of the endzone. That’s the easy choice. But go down! You HAVE to know the situation. At all times. Sure WR’s dropped passes, and the OL made stupid penalties. That is just part of the deal. But what Leodis did cost us the football game. That and the fact that our pass rush disappeared. I actually thought Kelsay had a great game going until he went out. He was getting some pressure on Brady. Losing him in the DE rotation hurt keeping our guys fresh I thought.

This loss stings. It sucks. It could have been so much different today. Being 1-0, and ending the streak vs the Pats would have been so glorious. But it isn’t. Here we are with 15 to go and we got to win 10 somehow. Sunday can’t come soon enough so I can get this taste out of my mouth

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by MARVelous on Sep 15, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it’s wrong to say that McKelvin should have continued fighting for yardage once he was stopped. As Marv says, not in that situation. His failure to put his knee down was a rookie mistake from a guy who is no longer a rookie. He has a ton of talent but is also very slow to learn.

by Macktruck on Sep 15, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea Brian i agree with 95% of the things you post on here but McKelvin has to go down when he’s stood up by multiple guys like that. he def should have brought it out but it’s not like he was trying to shake a tackle to break it at that point. he was being gang tackled and he’s just gotta know to get down there. i’m suprised he wasn’t more careful after the first fumble. just hope this game serves as a positive and doesn’t distract the team with the what could have beens.

by LIBi on Sep 15, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one that thinks

Leodis was TRYING to go down? There were at least two Pats on him. Looked to me like one was holding him up while the other was stripping the ball. I don’t think he could touch his knee at that point if he wanted to…which I can’t help but believe he did…

by GreenGoober on Sep 15, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point is he needs to make the decision beforehand to go down if he sees the big hit coming. that hit came from right in front of him (he wasn’t blindsided or anything). He waited too long to try to go down.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm blaming coaching/front office

After 4 years this team shouldn’t be a young inexperienced team making mistakes, we hear that excuse every year. The players didn’t pick the team, the players didn’t fire their O-coordinator a week ago, and its not the players fault that they looked like deers in headlights on that final drive. They keep losing games in embarrassing fashion year after year, that’s on coaching/FO.

Only reason we were in that game last night was that the Pats played awful for three quarters, especially Brady who gift wrapped a win for us.

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by BillsNYC on Sep 15, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PS

I was all for McKelvin running the ball out. It was questionable whether his feet were in the end zone when he caught the ball. Also, had he been down there would have been 1:59 on the clock which would have been the 2 min warning. Had he downed the ball we would have had to run 1-2 more plays to get to the warning.

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by BillsNYC on Sep 15, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AVP called a great game

the bills were rusty too…It’s week one…some receivers dropped passes on both sides of the ball and it was dumb penalties that killed us…now if this happens in week 10 I will be pissed but right now things look good

the thing that got me upset was Maybin…the tackles realized that he is so fast he runs himself out of the play and they let him do it time and time again…he is def a situational player right now and needing him full time hurt our pass rush

by Lion Alum on Sep 15, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did very well considering it was his first time!

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by BillsNYC on Sep 15, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and Jauron has now lost 7 straight division games.

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by BillsNYC on Sep 15, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course you’re blaming the coach. The coach was in McKelvin’s ear saying “you should go into contact with only one hand on the ball so you can get stripped and we can lose”.

It was a silly mistake but I don’t see how you can blame the coaches for very nearly beating one of the best teams in football ON THEIR TURF.

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by TEMSON on Sep 15, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're obviously blaming the loss on McKelvin

Which I don’t agree with. He messed up, but he didn’t allow two touchdowns in the final 5 minutes, and he certainly wasn’t the one who had the offense confused on the final drive.

This team has an identity, and they’ve had one for four years. In big close games, they find a way to collapse, and that has been consistent under Jauron. That falls on coaching and the front office.

Good teams, like the Patriots, find a way to overcome mistakes like McKelvin’s fumble and still win. If the roles were reversed and the Bills were down and the Pats fumbled, I don’t know if these Bills could have won that game. They’ve never shown that they could because they’re always the team that collapses and have been for four years.

Good teams find a way to win, bad teams find a way to lose. We’re a bad team due to coaching and the front office.

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by BillsNYC on Sep 15, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not blaming the loss on any one person – and that’s kind of the point. All I know is the coaches put the players in a position to win – I really don’t see how that’s debatable considering we were up by 11 with 5 and a half to go. It wasn’t just McKelvin, it was also the defense letting in two TDs, I get that – but I don’t get how that is solely Jauron’s fault. I’m not saying he’s blame free – but I certainly don’t think any large portion of this loss falls on any coach.

And on home turf, in a very emotional game, I’d like to think that if the roles were reversed we would have punched in that last TD too – so I’m not sure I agree with your assessment that the Bills would have lost if they were in the Pats’ position.

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by TEMSON on Sep 15, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not in all close games. When we were down to the Rams, Jags and Raiders last season they pulled off huge fourth quarters and pulled the game out. And don’t say well those are bad teams. You claim we are a bad team. It’s the NFL the level of competition is not that far apart between any 2 teams.

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by willgarr15 on Sep 15, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McKelvin

Let’s not forget that McKelvin fumbled it earlier on a kickoff return and Nic Harris picked it up (luckily).

We just need smarter play, that’s all— the Pats are known for that. Let’s not put all of the blame completely on McKelvin.

Hey… Ellison.. anytime you want to cover Ben Watson in the end zone, feel free :)

And TO… don’t be afraid to catch a 3rd down throw.

See? We can play the blame game all day! Let’s just look forwad to next week with anticipation rather than pessimism.

by nateinrochester on Sep 15, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i don’t think you can expect ellison to cover a big, fast TE like watson. that should have been a safety’s responsibility.

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by the_prophet on Sep 15, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He better

If you want to run a cover 2 defense, the middle LB has to be able to cover the TE over the middle.

The problem was, that’s normally Poz out there…It isn’t his fault he broke his arm AGAIN, but maybe it is the fault of the staff that failed to keep a quality backup and instead kept a special teamer (buggs).

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by Slick Shifty on Sep 15, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any word on when Poz comes back?

by NolaBillsFan on Sep 15, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard 3-5 weeks. I hope it’s 3…

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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 15, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if thas true, id be very happy

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 15, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He needs to sleep in T.O.’s hyperbolic chamber.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 15, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that.

It didn’t work out well for MJ.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 15, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hyperbolic? lol

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Sep 15, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or drink some more milk. :)

by billskk69 on Sep 15, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hyperbaric perhaps?

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 16, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my guess

we’d be lucky to have him for the last 8 games of the season

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 15, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can’t they throw a cast on him and let him go out play?

by NolaBillsFan on Sep 15, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they probably will even when he’s healed just as a preventative measure.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 15, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buggs wasn’t out there on either of the two TDs. First TD came against Scott, second TD came against Ellison.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll ask the same question K asked last night: what happened to Josh Reed? Did they even have him in there after the first quarter?

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He caught that laser from Trent in the second quarter, but I think he was blanketed all night but LBs.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 15, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*

*by LBs. Which now that I think of it, it shouldn’t matter.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 15, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I wondered it, it wasn't about why he wasn't catching passes

but rather, why was Roscoe our 3rd WR for most of the game? He’s so useless as a WR, yet he was in their for much of the game….what gives?

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea. Also, why wouldn’t we have Johnson in there a couple of plays as well?

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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 15, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Johnson was inactive for the game.

by Dyl on Sep 15, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn’t that the one called back on a penalty?

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, but that pass was exceptional.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 15, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I totally agree. So was the catch. That’s why I (and K, I assume) was wondering why Reed wasn’t out there much, but Roscoe was.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nelson's TD

Been quite a while since a Bills TE showed the athleticism and awareness that Nelson did on his TD catch.
More to come, I suspect. A very nice play.

by LeClaireBill on Sep 15, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And a beautiful block springing Freddy earlier in that drive.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

those two plays...

were the most attractive thing i’ve ever seen a TE do for the Bills.

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by JPH on Sep 15, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Metzelaars did have a pretty impressive game in the “no-punt” game, but, yeah, I’m pretty high on Nelson.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple of comments

100% efficiency in red zone – how long since the Bills had this kind of stat line?

About the fading pass rush, of course the loss of Poz and Kelsay played a big part in it. We had less quality on the field (especially at LB) and only one backup DE, so they probably got tired quicker.

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by patamunzo on Sep 15, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MAybin visibly tired

he lost speed and strength by the last two drives

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 15, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wasn't getting close to Brady before that

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i disagree

he was around him in the first and second. but as killa pointed out, maybin looked tired and slow in the 3rd and 4th quarters. he had no jump on the snap in the fourth and lost every battle.

as for mckelvin-i had a problem with him running in the middle of the field. the hands unit was out there, and he should have known to stick by the sidelines.

all-in-all, i was pleasantly surprised by the amount of determination on display last night. brady was rattled, and jackson looked good. just keep grinding…..

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by psudrozz on Sep 15, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I don’t think Maybin is strong enough to get pressure in a QB’s face. If he gets to the QB it will be with a speed rush or a spin move back inside. He can’t get in a QB’s face by just pushing the tackle back…

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 16, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the first play that he came in on in the 1st quarter, he was double teamed. I saw it a couple more times with a back or tight end.

by howedyhowe on Sep 15, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great point...
100% efficiency in red zone – how long since the Bills had this kind of stat line?

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 16, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

have to disagree

I was prepared to chalk McKelvin’s play up to youth until I read the Buffalo News this am:
McKelvin
“I chose to bring it out because that’s me.” and “…if it happens next week, I’m going to do it again. Next week you never know, I might break two. I might have the best game of my career.”

This is just plain wrong – it’s about doing what it takes to win, not having the best game of your career. Jauron and his staff need to sit him down and explain that, although I’m not sure that will happen:

Jauron:
“He’s a dynamic runner. He’s trying to win a football game, ice a football game, and we’ve seen him do it,”

by cajunasian on Sep 15, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DUMB!

…..kneel the dam ball

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 15, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go down after you get hit by the second guy…

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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 15, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whatever

thats three straight monday night parties ruined at the very end….

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 15, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s like the wet dog you’ve let in from the rain who incessantly farts by the snack table.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 15, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wouldn’t the wet dog shake off all the water on everyone? What difference does the dog beng wet make in relation to the farting?

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 15, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I yelled kneel when the play happened...

but I’m not sure he realized he was in the end zone. He was only about 2 yds in. If you’re not sure obviously you need to run it out.

by Zorak84 on Sep 15, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wasn’t sure if he caught it in fair territory or in the endzone. He was afraid of the possibilty of a safety (could you imagine if that happened?).

He had to run it out to get the clock under 2 minutes. Just an unfortunate play.

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by Slick Shifty on Sep 15, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing that’s bothersome to me now, after finally cooling off, is the “me” stuff. It’s a team game. Your actions directly affect the actions of those around you.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 15, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

keeping it in context

you can only control what you do. McKelvin returning kicks for touchdowns helps the team win. He was asked about that particular play and he answered it honestly.
I don’t blame him for coming out of the endzone. he was close to the goal line and the man is a playmaker. He should have wrapped both arms around the ball once he was hit and gone down when he was stopped.

by gatornation on Sep 15, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But they're asking him questions about him

And aren’t we here bashing HIM for losing this game. With that thinking, shouldn’t we leave Leodis alone and just say THE TEAM lost. It is a team game, played by individuals. If he kneeled the ball, and we ran it 3 times and punted and the patriots marched down and scored, you would all bash the team for being too conservative. I wonder what you would say if he took it out, and returned it 100+ for a touchdown? “What a stupid play, why on earth would you bring it out?” I don’t think so.

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by willgarr15 on Sep 15, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he kneeled the ball, and we ran it 3 times and punted

You’re right, we would say he was too conservative. The point is, all they had to do was keep moving the ball the same way they had been successfully moving the ball and let their field “general,” Edwards, control it.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was proud of our youngin's
These young guys are fun to watch, but they need to grow up quickly.

Truer words have never been spoken

I don’t believe in moral victories either, but the Bills played well enough for me last night, that I’m actually in a decent mood today.

Leo, I want you bring that kick out every time in that situation…JUST HOLD ON TO THE D@MN BALL! And for everybody blaming him for costing us the game…I’m sorry, but one play does not determine if you win or lose a football game. It’s all of the plays made/or not made during the game….

I gotta admit though, my most enjoyable moments of the game were when they would pan around the stadium and show the utter shock & disbelief on the Pats fans/players/coaches faces when it looked like were actually going to bring this one home…too bad we couldn’t finish

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by MonStarr_716 on Sep 15, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

genius when it works - fire them all when it don't

if leo rips off a long return, which he’s very capable of, everyone would be praising the aggressive attitude.
if leo had kneeled and the o didn’t get a first down, everyone would be calling for heads to roll for playing scared.

has also been said that he should have just “gone down.” which is true – but not so easy. unfortunately i have to give credit to the pats for great technique. merriwhether stood him up, and woods pulled the ball out.

watching vince woolfork suck wind was a great sight, too!

by LeClaireBill on Sep 15, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MonStarr

The defense submits as evidence: Scott Norwood.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 15, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ouch....

one could also argue the Music city miracle…but I still billieve that it’s how you play the entire game…NE still had to score 2x’s after the fumble to beat us…

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by MonStarr_716 on Sep 15, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right. 2 TDs should have been impossible for them, against that team they were playing last night.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 15, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once...

They had just scored to close the gap to 5.

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 16, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not let Fewell off the hook

Allowing Ellison to cover Watson without help is inexcusable, particularly after he had just been burned. I believe we had 6 DBs on the field, so why wasn’t one of them helping on Watson?

I was impressed with AVP’s play-calling, especially when we got in the red zone. He was aggressive, and I even yelled out that we are playing to win! when he called the pass play to Jackson on the TD play.

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by ChipShot on Sep 15, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ll say it again – Ellison wasn’t burned the first time. Scott was on Watson the first TD>

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The defense folds every time

Fans focus more on what they see on offense…..but the sad fact is – and you can go back and look these up – almost all of the heart-breaking losses this team has suffered this decade happened because defense could not stop the other team when it really mattered.

 Last night, the only way NE was going to win was to score two TDs in five minutes…..and we allowed that.

Yeah, McKelvin made crucial mistakes and might look like the goat of the game – and in some respect, he was – but, come on: when your “D,” almost never comes up big when you need them in the last two minutes of a game, you’re going to lose.

What’s really sickening is that so many guys played their asses off and this win would have been HUGE, both psychologically and in the AFC East standings. We should be a game ahead of everyone but the Jets but we still haven’t learned how to a stop a team when the game is on the line.

by ccthemovieman on Sep 15, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BUT

if McKelvin doesn’t fumble….we very well could eaten the clock and won the game….

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 15, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We would have at least eaten up 3 NE timeouts and gotten a chance to punt.

by NolaBillsFan on Sep 15, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now to be fair

The defense was short Kelsay and Poz in the second half. Before he broke the arm Poz was all over the place making tackles, and Kelsay no matter what people may think about him is a big part of this defense. After they went out the D slowly started to miss the over the middle tackles that they were making early on, and were not getting the same kind of penetration.

by Mr. h on Sep 15, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t disagree with you there. But Brady can’t be given the chance at that drive in the first place.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 15, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our pass rush still stinks

that’s a major reason why our D can never hold on. When Brady, or any QB, can sit back there and find whoever he wants, it’s not difficult to beat us…If you can’t force the QB to do things he doesn’t want to do, it’s hard to make plays to win the game then….

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you’re being too harsh. The four-man line did OK, and let’s not forget that they played most of the game with 3 ends, which really hurts their rotation and really sucked the energy out of Maybin. Plus, it’s not like Brady was waiting eons; that ball was coming out quick and short.

I’m not saying the pass rush was great. I’m saying reserve judgment. They showed signs of life last night.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 15, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They did show signs in the 1st Q, but we need more than just signs of being ok. We need consistent pressure and this DL has a long ways to go to get that. Sure, they probably were tired, but that’s just an excuse. There was zero pressure throughout the second half.

That’s why Fewell needs to run blitzes that are actually designed to get to the QB and not just to give our guys one-on-one situations to try to beat an OLineman.

The D did a good job hitting Brady early and the results were apparent, but that completely stopped in the second half. It’s not like Brady was running a 2-3 step drop on every snap….

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

can you admit that we missed Kelsay?

He is at this point stronger than Maybin, and 58 was clearly dogging it late in the game. We needed more push up the middle as well that wasn’t happening as often….

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 15, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Push up the middle did happen in the first half, though, particularly from Kyle Williams.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 15, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right

I meant at the end

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 15, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We missed the rotation, yes

and Kelsay wasn’t playing poorly. His presence wouldn’t have hurt, I admit that.

But I highly doubt he would have helped the pass rush down the stretch. The DT’s don’t push the pocket and we don’t have any consistent pass rushers. That came to the forefront down the stretch, as it always does.

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

some upside there though

much more than I anticipated….any thoughts on the “3-4” looks with Maybin out there, even in coverage at certain points?

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 15, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t really notice more than one or two 3-4 looks. How often did you notice them?

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

only 3 or 4 times…just thought it was good that, with Maybin being a so-called “3-4 OLB” coming out of college, that the Bills actually tweaked the D for his talents, or physicality. Otherwise though, I hate how we play when teams are driving at the end of games. We would have been off playing more aggressive at the risk of a big play, because at least that wouldnt have killed so much clock. It was playing scared, and not being willing to go after the shootout.
Now, I do think that changes if 28 keeps his hands on the ball, but no matter what, its still a L

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 15, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Typical Jauron

On Watson’s first TD, Keith Ellison, the LB the Bills said was a quality starter, was two steps behind with his back turned to the ball.

On Watson’s second TD, Keith Ellison, the LB the Bills said was a quality starter, was two steps behind with his back turned to the ball.

Way to adjust, guys. Do you think Jauron even noticed or commented?

Do you think anyone told McKelvin that all he needs to do is fall down on the kickoff return? Especially after he fumbled the previous one?

It starts at the top.

by Rick A on Sep 15, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

McKelvin

has returned a million kicks in college and the pros. He did the right thing. HE JUST FUMBLED! You think Jauron should have went over and said “now remember now, don’t fumble?” It’s on the player….the coaches coach, they don’t baby players. You can’t blame Jauron on this one….he did EVERYTHING to get this team ready to play and TO WIN THE GAME. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! That’s what LEODIS did. And it just happened that the kid’s passion to make a play backfired in the end

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by MARVelous on Sep 15, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair, Watson made a hell of a catch on that second TD. There wasn’t much Ellison could have done without interfering.

by tm on Sep 15, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ellison was NOT covering Watson on the first TD!! It was Scott.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ellison most definitely got toasted in coverage on both TD’s. Scott didn’t get over to help him on the first one.

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This might sound silly...

We all love the throwback uniforms – they’re clearly better. There’s a problem though: the team loses lots of games in them. Lots of games.

I have no evidence at the ready, but i’ve noticed it and said as much as “well at least they looked ‘good’ in defeat.”

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 15, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

last minute collapse aside I was pleasantly surprised how competitive this team was last night. The offense has had absolutely no game time to get comfortable in the no huddle, we had 1 offensive lineman return from last year and we started 2 rookie offensive lineman and 1 that never played a regular season snap.
I thought Ellison played a good game defensively and Poz looked more comfortable in defending the pass. The loss of Poz will hurt. Although not a MLB, I say give Derrick Brooks a look, greater veteran leader and familiar with our style of defense. Schobel looked outstanding as did Kyle Williams and Mcgee.
I would expect the offense to hold the ball more against Tampa and allow the D to be more fresh during the course of the game.
I couldn’t say this before the game yesterday but I am extremely excited about the home opener. I think the fans have a new sense of optimism in this team and it will show on Sunday. Can’t wait to get there.

by gatornation on Sep 15, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tough Loss

But I saw enough to be excited about the rest of the season.

Can we please stop raggin on McKelvin? He did the right thing and I think he showed guts not going down with that first big hit. That’s what I want to see in my team, and that’s not something you can coach into a player. Holding onto the ball, going down when you need to, that can be coached or practiced. Toughness is innate.

I thought the no huddle looked good for the first real run. Trent impressed me that he’s got game in him with the scrambles and not even sliding out with defenders baring down – I recall one of those runs he dodged a linebacker and kept going for another 5-7 yards.

The D looked better than I thought they would be, though I agree with some other posters that they looked tired at the end. Losing Poz for a while is going to hurt.

What happened on that play in the first half when NE’s tackle penetrated with hardly a pat – we got a big break there with the roughing the passer call, but that did not look good.

by oompaloompa on Sep 15, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Poz

This is the 2nd time that Poz has broke his arm in the first game of the season against the PAtriots, no less. He played OLB at Penn State and I wonder if he is better suited for OLB, rather than the middle. I don’t think he is big enough. The defensive line was very impressive, Edwards has the brains and smarts to play QB, but McKelvin has to realize that the hands team is on the field and it is harder to set up a return. He should have downed the ball. Of course, you can second guess all you want.

by BuffaloWhiner on Sep 15, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he better stop reaching and take some calcium pills

by telka on Sep 15, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think you can say that about Poz. He played both inside and outside at Penn St. the arm injuries are freak things that you really can’t control. I think he is big enough, he was playing an excellent game to that point.

by gatornation on Sep 15, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now I see why they got rid of Walker

By the look of the play calls, they want linemen that can get out in space and move. I like the calls and the variety, hopefully they can keep it up. I’ll be watching the Baby Bills to see how they jell.

by telka on Sep 15, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that was evident on the screens

of all plays, the pats could not stop the simple screen to jackson. either the ol kids can move, or the pats should be worried about their d

by Big Wheels Keep on Thurman on Sep 15, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marshawn Lynch

Am I the only one who thinks they should trade this guy now? They could get a 2nd round and maybe a player for him. After last night, I’m in love w/ Fred Jackson. Thoughts?

by Michael_Necci on Sep 15, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think having Lynch would have helped last night.

by NolaBillsFan on Sep 15, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Fred Jackson too – bought his jersey and feel rather vindicated – but I much prefer having Lynch/Jackson/Omon to Jackson/Omon/McIntyre.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 15, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

We can’t just have Jackson as our lone RB. Lynch is a very good player, so you shouldn’t take anything away from him there. They should probably split reps more equally than they have in the past, but that’s about it. Jackson does deserve more touches with Lynch back…..

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer Jackson. But that’s just a preference. Some of it might have been the playcalling. They ran delays, draws, screens. I’d like to see Lynch run those plays first.

Jackson is my favorite current player probably because he reminds me of Thurman in his style of running.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 15, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson reminds me of Emmitt Smith the way he runs with speed and has the tenacity to bang a defender when needed.

by Dyl on Sep 15, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should Be..

The Bills need Lynch as the sledge hammer, why trade him for an unproven pick, the Bills need to keep as much talent as they can.

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by Goose22 on Sep 15, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the screen plays they ran last night, Jackson did really good. But Marshawn has the ability to take those screens to the house. We’ve seen him do it before, he doesnt go down. I love the thought of Lynch running those screens.

By the way did anyone see Nelson making some great blocks last night? Things are looking up for this kid.

by howedyhowe on Sep 15, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, yes. Nelson is a keeper – a quick study and very talented. A total steal in the 4th round. Can’t say enough!

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we need this guy, we haven’t had a good tight end since Jay Riemersma IMO

by howedyhowe on Sep 15, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In time, Nelson may push James Hardy off the roster.

by Dyl on Sep 15, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah, i don’t think so. more likely schouman or fine. hardy has tremendous physical gifts like nelson. just wasn’t asked to do much more than run out nearly anywhere and grab ball above defenders heads at Indiana. a bit slow to adjust to the pro game, route runnning rudimentary and then knee injury. if hardy can get healthy and coached up, he’ll be good. and he and nelson in the red zone is a real nice vision.

a simplified playbook will help hardy, too. find two of three things he does really well, and execute them till someone shows they can stop it.

by LeClaireBill on Sep 15, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you’re right. I hope that he can be “coached up”. I’m just afraid it will take more coaching than he can absorb to become more than a 4th WR option in this league. A role player to catch touchdowns and play in the red zone. Meanwhile I think it’s likely that Nelson, or some other WR/TE, shows the ability to do those things Hardy does, in addition to helping the team in other ways, like blocking, route running, even special teams play. But maybe I’ll be shown wrong.

by Dyl on Sep 15, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

eric moulds had a rep as uncoachable coming out of college. exploded in his 3rd year. hardy has only been in the pros for a year, and 1/3 of that was lost to injury. i’d worry about his mind set and drive to excell more than i would someone else surpassing his physical abilities.

by LeClaireBill on Sep 15, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but the difference I see is that Eric Moulds made a good contribution to the team right from the get go. He was our kick returner and a dangerous one at that during his rookie year. Soon after that he was playing as No. 3. behind Quinn Early and Reed, then No. 2 when Early left.

by Dyl on Sep 15, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hardy actually looked good on a few routes over the middle last year. I think he will benefit from this “Pop Warner” Offense as much as anyone. Just needs to get healthy enough to practice every day.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love Jackson, but all his yards came on the outside, many on pitch plays. He couldn’t get much going up the middle.

Lynch is good up the middle, Jackson on the side and on screens.

But I agree Lynch shouldn’t be thought of as our “#1 back”. I think we use both more or less equally over the course of the season— on an opponent by opponnent basis exploit wherever the defense is weakest.

by beelove on Sep 15, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love Jackson, but all his yards came on the outside, many on pitch plays. He couldn’t get much going up the middle.

Is that his fault, or the OL’s fault for not giving him holes to run through? Freddy is a very underrated inside runner, IMO. Looking at his splits from last year, he was very effective up the middle, and on the left and right sides (not sideline runs):

Middle – 38 carries 177 yard 4.7 ypc
Right Side – 24 carries 96 yards 4.0 ypc
Left Side – 52 carries 215 yards 4.1 ypc
TOTAL: 114 carries 488 yards 4.3 ypc

Lynch:
Middle – 67 carries 200 yards 3.0 ypc
Right side – 52 carries 256 yards 4.9 ypc
Left side – 91 carries 355 yards 3.9 ypc
TOTAL: 210 carries 811 yards 3.9 ypc

As you can see, Jackson was every bit as effective running it inside last year, and maybe more effective. He does a good job of pushing the pile too.

And last night, Freddie went 11 carries for 48 yards on inside rushes….

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't blame Leo..

One of the Patriots was holding him up,literally!!..Couldn’t fall down with the ball if He tried to..Even the announcers pointed that out..I thought they’d get blown out last night and instead they showed up with a team pride that I haven’t seen this team have in a long time..Take away a couple of bad calls the refs made..Especially that offensive interference call on TO..Yeah,I know they got the first down anyway,but those kind of calls get to people,and I think the Bills would have kept on scoring..Great first game for this team..The WHOLE TEAM,,Coaches and all..

by FanFromThe80s on Sep 15, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can’t keep playing the youth card with these guys. Every team relies on some young players. Simply put, the guys we put in the game can’t keep making mistakes to cost us games, no matter their NFL game experience.

Bell lining up in the backfield twice is just dumb. After one time, that should be corrected by him, the coaches and Trent. Shouldn’t Trent or the outside WR see that he’s lined up too deep?

Leo’s mistake wasn’t youth. It was not knowing the situation and trying to do too much.

Five dropped passes aren’t youthful mistakes. Those were veteran mistakes, and killer. Big money WR’s need to make those catches even if they are going to get hit.

I’m so sick of Perry Fewell. Have been for some time. Can this guy at least try to design a blitz that might work? You can’t just bring Mitchell up to the LOS, line up over a Guard, and have him try to bull rush through the guy. That’s not what a blitz should be. It should be designed to actually beat the opposition’s OL and get to the QB. Where are the stunts? Where are the clear outs? If you’re only going to bring 4 or the occasional 5 rushers, at least move them around so they have a chance to confuse and beat the OL. I’m so sick of watching this team have no pass rush, and doing very little to attempt to fix it on gamedays. And should we really be playing the DB’s 8-10 yards off the ball giving them easy completions the final 5 minutes? Why not actually man up on the WR’s and force them to try to beat us, not sitting back and letting them beat us a little more gradually.

Kudos to AVP. He called a great game, and we finally saw some plays that actually had a little bit of a creative design to it. That Nelson TD was well-designed and well setup by the previous long Jackson run where Nelson did the same kick out block that it appeared he was about to do again. The screens were well set up and called at the perfect times. The 3 and 15 screen to Freddie on our last TD drive was a brilliant call. We do need to start finding a way to go downfield more. TO and Evans have to be more involved going forward. It was a little tougher last night with the OL not giving Trent a ton of time or a strong pocket much of the time. TO was doubled all night, and Evans probably wasn’t. Take advantage of that going forward….

There are a lot of goats from last night, not just Leo. Bell, the pass rush, Perry Fewell, the receivers dropping passes, etc, were all to blame as well.

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yea if you’re gonna only bring 4 or 5 the db’s have to start taking risks to try to get a turnover, but yea totally agree on the blitzing it would be nice if they gave a LB a clear shot at a QB for once

by LIBi on Sep 15, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every team relies on some young players.

This is true, but they put up a stat at the beginning of the game that said the Bills were the first non-expansion team since the 1981 Redskins to start 3 linemen with no experience – hardly a regular occurrence. As for Bell committing the same mistake twice, that’s certainly not something you want to see happen, but he will learn from it.

Five dropped passes aren’t youthful mistakes. Those were veteran mistakes, and killer. Big money WR’s need to make those catches even if they are going to get hit.

This is certainly lamentable, but it wasn’t like the drops were easy catches with the receivers wide open. Owens had just seen the ball when it hit his hands, Evans got hit just as he tried to catch it and Fred’s ball was thrown just an inch or two too far in front of him. In addition, Moss and Welker missed some balls that should have been easier catches.

I agree with your assessment of Fewell and blitzing. The effect his current blitzing scheme seems to have is to take men away from coverage while only providing a minimal increase at possible pressure. On a related note, I could have had a few too many beers, but I could have sworn that Kelsay (while playing) did not look so useless out there. I believe he got a hit or two on Brady and although that’s not the answer to our prayers, certainly an improvement for him.

by karovda on Sep 15, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is certainly lamentable, but it wasn’t like the drops were easy catches with the receivers wide open.

Just excuses. Evans is making $9M per season, he needs to make those catches. The ball was in his hands and he didn’t hold on. He’s not a big time player. TO always drops passes, so it wasn’t a huge surprise there, but these are veterans dropping 3rd down passes. That can’t happen if we are going to win games we shouldn’t! We overcame it for the most part, but we can’t expect that every time.

Fewell runs blitzes just to run blitzes it seems. You are dead on when you say all it does it take men away from coverage. We aren’t getting any additional pressure with these lame blitzes, so all they do is open up the middle for the Faulks and Welkers of the league….

Kelsay did look better than his usual self. I was pleasantly surprised. I just don’t want to see him out there on 3rd downs or other passing situations.

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TO’s hands weren’t even in the right position to make that catch.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lots I agree with here, K. Rec’d.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leodis

I must disagree with you on his returning of the ball and the fumble. First of all, a player must know the rules and where he is on the field. Second, he should have gone down when surrounded by Pats instead of fighting for a useless yard.
Did anyone notice how poor the kickoff coverage was by the Bills?

by Honeyroy77 on Sep 15, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I did

on kickoff coverage it is more important then ever to stay in your lanes. return units can utilize more cutbacks and breaks to the outside if the coverage units, especially the outside guys, don’t stay in their lanes. we saw that last night.

by gatornation on Sep 15, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought special teams as a whole was the worst part of their game last night.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 15, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even Moorman had a bad game and that never happens!

by NolaBillsFan on Sep 15, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bills ST’s was atrocious last night. Kick coverage was terrible. Kick return unit didn’t give Leodis much room on any of his returns. Roscoe didn’t do anything. Moorman continues to regress with his consistency. Overall, it was a pretty poor performance for April’s unit. It’s sad that the one unit we can usually count on was part of the reason we lost this one….

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think April’s probably feeling strained without the wedge.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 15, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But every ST coach has to deal with this.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be, but that doesn’t account for the poor play of the other ST units. The kick coverage unit didn’t take advantage of the no-wedge rule….

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After listening to all the announcers and everyone claim that the Bills were going to get blown out I was very happy to see them stay in it. The game definitely stings – but as I told my friend, after how many years it doesn’t sting as bad as it used to :P
I was really suprised at the drops, but the penalties were terrible. And those penalties weren’t just here and there it was always on a decent gain of around 10 yards or more! The Bills line definitely looked gased come the second half and as a result Brady lite them up – Kelsay suprising had been looking pretty decent, but with only 3 ends, 3 DT that were 100% (I didn’t see much of Spencer – anyone?).
I like Nelson, but I can’t wait for Fine to return – anyone know how long?

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by Ghetts on Sep 15, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How about mcCargo. Was he seen at all??

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spencer was in a lot… on third downs especially.

Didn’t see McCargo in at all.

Stupar was released today so Fine must be close.

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 16, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McCargo got some work in the fourth quarter, at the very least.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 16, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe you.

I just don’t remember seeing him.

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 16, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're right though

I am now confident every Sunday from here on out….this wasn’t a team we played that will be picking in the top 5 of next year’s draft….this is a team that many consider the best in the league and at least top 5.
Worst thing was the injury to Poz….he did a great job until then and was limiting Brady’s range and the running game….can’t wait for the rematch

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 15, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AND

people have to give Trent his due…outside of one forced ball that was almost picked, that was a near flawless game…he and AVP are clearly on the same page

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 15, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s true. They played great and Jauron and AVP are due their kudos. I am mildly concerned with Evans and Owens being taken out of the game.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 15, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree

and have expressed that with several posts this morning. I was pleasantly surprised and am greatly looking forward to the home opener. I like where the team is headed and given how the last couple of weeks have gone (new offense/no offense, lt, oc, etc.) nobody seemed to be expecting it. can’t wait for Sunday. The offense should only get better seeing they had maybe 1 qtr’s worth of time in the preseason with all the starters on the field.

by gatornation on Sep 15, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was at the game too – hostile is right.

We didn’t win but we went into New England and punched everyone’s favorite SB contender in the mouth. I’m pretty happy about that at least.

I’m glad Trent had a good game, maybe people will back off him a bit, at least for a little while.

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by TEMSON on Sep 15, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can stay on the soapbox!

I will give you that G, I was thinking the score would be 52-3 or something, so I really enjoyed the game. I don’t really care that they lost to NE in NE in typical fashion, I figured that game was a wash anyway.

I was IMPRESSED that the team played with energy. I think there is a lot of good talent on the team. If they can get a couple of wins under their belt early on int he season, maybe they’ll develop some confidence to match.

by south123 on Sep 15, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with everything you said G, save this
we are NOT good enough to beats the Pats at home quite yet.

The game last night proved otherwise. We were one fumble away from doing it and should have. But, the team and coaches as a whole play/coached a good game.

By the way, I hope the Bills defense is going to spend some time practicing how to stop the TE post route :-P

Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes

by Joe P. on Sep 15, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said

Geronimo. Perspective for some reason, especially the NFL is extremely hard for fans to come by. They want instantaneous results and get caught up in that. I re-watched the game today on DVR, well except for the last 5 minutes…but they looked so good on the OL and DL. DL faded in the 2nd half but what would you expect. Just need to get Maybin to be more impactful running more snaps eventually

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by MARVelous on Sep 15, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roughing the passer?

Thought we caught a big break on the Wilfork call — at a pretty critical time, too; it cancelled a 1st down in the 4th Q.

 Anyone know if the rule was redefined over the summer? or re-emphasized? or something?

Had the call gone against the bills, I would’ve been in tv-hurling mode.

by beelove on Sep 15, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not just the Wilfork call, but the Adalius Thomas roughing call also. I thought those two calls canceled out the poor spots giving NE some first downs on their drives. Officiating was pretty even in my book.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whitner roughing

There was also a roughing call against Whitner when the Pats TE was trying to advance. Wilfork has a reputation for playing dirty but that call was questionable like the Whitner call. Thomas shouldn’t have thrown TE to the turf once progress was stopped.

I agree on the Pats getting some pretty good spots of the ball, there was one where the runner was stopped a good 1 1/2 from a first down and he was given the first down.

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by Goose22 on Sep 15, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whitner was called for spearing.

He led with his helmet.

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 16, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the Tom Brady rule

can’t dive at the QB’s legs anymore. Wilfork hit him around the waist, so it shouldn’t have been called, but oh well.

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets make more and more rules about tom brady….its a little ridiculous.

by howedyhowe on Sep 15, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poz

Kelsay’s injury is not devastating even though I think he is a bigger piece than people acknowledge. Ellis will suit up if Kelsay can’t go.

Poz injury is devastating. I said it in the pre-season he was the most important player for this team to stay healthy and everyone saw the difference in the D when he went down. If and a big if he is out only 4-6 weeks and we can go 2-2 or even 2-3 in those games we will have a shot down the stretch.

First: Look at the schedule…is there a tougher game than at NE on Monday night? That is the glass half full approach.

Second: I hope Mitchell moves to the inside and Harris starts on the outside.

Third: We will tell alot about Jauron and the character of the team next week. This will be very emotional on them and they have to pick themselves up start watching TB tape and be prepared in a short week to play a decent TB team. If Jauron gets them focused and motivated to beat Tampa everyone needs to give him some credit. (I am not a Jauron fan…but I will be curious to see how he gets the guys to respond).

by Berg79 on Sep 15, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brees

All I know is, if we can shut down the pass….Drew Brees is going to put up record numbers

by howedyhowe on Sep 15, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NE on the road on Monday night is tougher than NO at home. Our CB’s matchup better against the Saints receivers. Keep in mind Brees was at home against Detroit last week.

And hopefully Florence will be back by then.

by Berg79 on Sep 15, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brees throws A LOT of balls that should be intercepted. Watching him against Detroit, a good secondary picks him off 3-4 times. Hopefully, we can do that….

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you said

a good secondary picks him off 3-4 times

j/k. I’m excited to have seen Byrd in the game so much last night. Can’t wait to see how he develops.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Second: I hope Mitchell moves to the inside and Harris starts on the outside.

I agree with that. I really don’t want the undersized Buggs out there if at all possible….

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by Kurupt on Sep 15, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Win/Lose as a Team

It was great to see no one on the team (including TO) blame McKelvin for the loss last night. I’m not sure I would’ve been able to do the same in their situation. Leo was right to bring the ball out, but an idiot for not going down as soon as he saw tacklers coming his way. I do not blame the D for giving up those TD’s in the last few minutes, as that’s just how the last few minutes roll in come from behind situatinos. Prevent (cover 2, etc.) only prevents winning!

However, I would like to see Jauron say more than “I have no problem with McKelvin” in the press conference. Um Dick, HE LOST THE FREAKIN’ GAME! Grow a pair and start acting like a coach, otherwise the mistakes will continue!!!

Very impressed with Whitner actually showing emotions after the game, at least he (unlike McKelvin when interviewed) showed that he cares about “winning” games and proving the critics wrong!

Bills 24 Bucs 17

by Sluss88 on Sep 15, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Buffalo is going to slaughter the Bucs. They don’t have a real QB as a leader and their defense is much more porous than it used to be. Easily the weakest team in the NFC South, I’d be surprised if the Bucs win more than 5 games.

by Dyl on Sep 15, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dick Jauron will never, ever, ever, throw a player under the bus publicly. He didn’t throw Turk under the bus publicly and Turk did just that to Jauron on his way out of town. He will not do that. That is not to say he didn’t rip into him or anybody else privately. You can grow a pair without doing it through the media.

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 16, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we want to get technical...

wasn’t McKelvin’s forward progress stopped during that return? Shouldn’t he have been called down?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 15, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not when we’re playing the almighty Pats.

by Sluss88 on Sep 15, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lighten up

Dick had our boys ready to play. Trent did his job. many mistakes, but not as many as we expected. Long way to go. let’s not already start hating.

even if they win, we still have to go do our jobs. keep it in perspective gang. it’s just football.

Great game to start the season. we will be fun this year.

go bills

Go Bills

by cammstein on Sep 15, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t even really fault him for fighting for extra yardage. He fumbled at the worst moment possible; maybe that’s all there is to it. Leodis is a confident kid. He said after the game he’d make the same play again and again. Just hang onto the ball, kid. It sucks, but let’s not harp on his decision-making.

Boy I fault him for that….

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 16, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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