Rumblings Draft Scouting: College Football Recap, Week 2
Last week, we unveiled a new series in which we take a look at 2010 NFL Draft prospects (and, really, just college football players in general) in an effort to keep tabs on the ebbs and flows of prospects' draft stock. You can see our efforts from Week 1 of college football at this link.
Week 2 has been in the books for a few days, but as you can imagine, we've been busy covering the team this blog exists to cover - the Buffalo Bills. Before we turn our full attentions to the Bills' next game, we thought we'd sneak in our thoughts from this past weekend's college action. Our three up and three down for this week is after the jump.
THREE UP - Three players whose stock is climbing after strong starts to their seasons
#1 - Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen. Clausen is a big-name prospect simply because of the position he plays, the institution at which he plays, and the coach for whom he plays. Forgot about Notre Dame's disappointing loss to Michigan, too. Clausen has been excellent. The third-year junior is completing two of three passes, averaging nearly 11 yards per attempt, and has tossed seven touchdowns to zero interceptions in two games this season. He's got an NFL build (6'3", 223 pounds) and a live arm. What we remain concerned about is the amount of talent around him, and how much that buttresses his statistical output. For now, we think he's nearly as talented as all of the big-name quarterbacks you hear so much about. He needs more polish.
#2 - Georgia WR A.J. Green. I really like this kid. The 21-year-old sophomore emerged as a deep threat for Matthew Stafford in 2008, and he's still producing despite being the focal point of the Bulldogs' passing attack, led by a new quarterback. He's 6'4" with great speed, and is therefore one of the nation's elite deep threats. He can play, and his six-catch, 86-yard, one-touchdown performance in a close victory over South Carolina proved his playmaking ability. He has the look of a high-round draft pick with elite potential.
#3 - Georgia Tech DE Derrick Morgan. I'll use kaisertown's words for this guy, because kaiser got the closest look at him: "The junior DE had 3 sacks and 10 tackles and was unstoppable. He lined up on the left side all night, effortlessly beating the Clemson RT to the corner to get pressure on what felt like every pass attempt. He didn't show a variety of moves, but he didn't have to. He was dominating with speed around the edge or pure strength while rushing inside. He was great in pursuit in the run game, racking up tackles all over the field, and it's far from easy to catch C.J. Spiller. He had one tackle in the backfield as a run defender, and it was an impressive one. He stayed absurdly low to the ground and got his hands up into the stomach of the RT while his body was literally no higher than the RT's waist. It was almost too much leverage, as he pushed his blocker into the backfield easily disengaged and was perfectly positioned to put a shoulder into the thighs of the RB."
THREE DOWN - Pretty much the opposite. These guys saw their stocks dip for various reasons.
#1 - Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant. There is absolutely zero doubt that Bryant is one of the elite players in the nation. He is immensely talented, explosive, and a game-changing threat any time he lays hands on the ball. But in Oklahoma State's ridiculous loss to Houston, Bryant sort of disappeared against a lesser foe. Sure, he had an outstanding punt return for a score at a key moment, but his five catches for 85 yards were not of the impressive variety. You'd like to see him come up bigger in clutch situations on the offensive side of the ball. This was a game that Bryant should have dominated, but he didn't. We put Bryant here with the understanding that in no way is he suddenly anything other than a Top 10 talent. We'd just like to see more.
#2 - Notre Dame OT Sam Young. Young is considered a top-end tackle prospect with Day One potential. He's hyped, again, because of the school he plays at, but kaisertown once again was not impressed: "I watched the Notre Dame vs Michigan game and Sam Young is not a left tackle. He actually doesn't even play LT for Notre Dame. I wasn't at all impressed with him. He could be a good RT in the NFL, but in a draft that is stacked with offensive tackles, I don't think that Young has a chance to go anywhere near the first round. I think he's more of an Andrew Whitworth type than somebody like Kareem McKenzie or David Stewart."
#3 - Troy DE Brandon Lang. Lang, a 3-4 pass-rushing prospect out of underrated Troy, admittedly wasn't going to do much as Troy was spanked by No. 1 Florida, 56-3. But sireric explains it best: "One down I might say could be Brandon Lang from Troy. He totally disappeared, and didn't look like the guy they hyped in the pre-game." I tend to agree - Lang was a complete non-factor, and in a big game against the best team in the nation, you'd like to see at least something from the player that supposedly carries a team's defense. Lang has a lot of potential, but we were disappointed by his effort against Florida.
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How did Pike look this week? i missed it
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by billsoferie on Sep 17, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good, but they played against Southeast Missouri State.
by kaisertown on Sep 17, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like that kid and i like his size and mobility
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by billsoferie on Sep 17, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam Young
Is nothing but a RT. He would be a second/third/fourth round steal as a RT. 6’8, 330, and has started for four years – lots of experience, and lots of upside. He’s also got that nasty to him like wood and levitre – certainly wouldn’t mind the bills having an oline full of young mashers that go out and take the fight to the dline.
by quantumuprising on Sep 17, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he’d be a steal in the 4th, but not in the 2nd. Even for a true RT, he didn’t show much me much athleticism. And even most NFL RTs actually played LT in college. Even Langston Walker played LT at Cal. Paul Duncan isn’t an NFL prospect and I think it says a lot that the ND coaches think he’s a better fit at LT than Young is.
This is just an opinion from watching one game and i spent more time staring at Clauson’s feet and watching him go through progressions than on Young too. But at times, I had the thought that Young looked more like a guard that was just too big to play guard. That’s where the Whitworth comparison came from. He is a good run blocker, but I didn’t think he wasn’t as dominant as I remember Jeff Otah or some other guys being.
I’d guess he’s a 3rd round prospect, but if Gosder Cherilus can go in the first round, then Young can go pretty high too.
by kaisertown on Sep 17, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that concerns me with Clausen is (besides his attitude) whether he developed some bad habits playing on such bad teams his first two years. Calling his line a sieve those years would be a compliment.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Sep 17, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he has the best footwork and throwing mechanics of any of the QBs who could get drafted in the first couple rounds. He always steps into throws and that left foot always lines up with his reciever which isn’t something that I’ve seen any of the other top QBs do consistently. You can tell he’s had pro coaching too because he isn’t afraid to throw the ball away. He was sacked 21 times last year and hasn’t been sacked yet this year.
If he had one major bad habit against Michigan it was over confidence in his WRs. Michael Floyd is unbelievable. If he were draft eligible (he’s a true soph) then I’d have him as one of the three up and maybe the top WR in this draft. Golden Tate is a pretty good WR too. Notre Dame just lined up those two outside and when Michigan had their safeties back, they pounded the ball right up the gut. When Michigan pulled a safety up to help the run game, Clauson picked them apart with fades and comback routes. It’s tough to say how good he would look without Young and Tate.
My other concern with Clauson is that he gets a ton of air under his deep passes. They’re like rainbows and he’s going to have to be careful leaving that much time for NFL DBs to react and make up ground. He shows good arm strength on passes over the middle or on those 15-20 yard comeback routes, but on fades, he really puts a lot of loft on the ball.
by kaisertown on Sep 17, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Aboard!!!
Time for everyone to hop on the Jimmy Clausen express, if we don’t make the playoff’s this has to be our pick in april. Maybe with some legitamet competition Edwards will step up his game (think chargers with Brees vs Rivers) and no, Losman was never legitamet competition for him. As for this “concern about the talent around him” then hey, maybe buffalo should surround him with talent. already have evans, lynch, jackson, Nelson looked good in his 1st game. Get another reciever to replace Owens (realistically he’ll be gone after this year) and there’s no reason he can’t be as talented as he is at ND, Even more so with a year or 2 under his belt. The only other position i can think of for need is SS and this years pools suppose to have a truck load of them so we can wait til the 2nd round or trade back into the 1st for one and that’s only if Byrd doesn’t pan out. Clausens shown he’s not afraid to throw the ball downfield and let his recievers make a play
by J. Mackin on Sep 17, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, you’re definitely jumping the gun.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t one of the knocks on Clausen that he will not face very stiff competition, so it will be extremely hard to evaluate him?
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 17, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about flacco?
he faced AA teams and he’s looking alright. The kid’s still gotta make the reads and the throws
by J. Mackin on Sep 17, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying it’s impossible for Clausen to be good. Only that it will make it harder to evaluate him and may cause some teams to not think he’s worth a high pick risk.
Agree Flacco is good and could become great, but tons of people were concerned about his ability to transition to the NFL level for the same reason.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 17, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They play USC and that will be a big game for Clauson. Teams like Boston College, Pitt, UCONN, Stanford, Michigan State and Purdue aren’t cupcakes either. Competition is a concern for him, especially if he declares this year, but it has more to do with how good his offense is as opposed to the defenses he sees.
by kaisertown on Sep 17, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's hard to evaluate top round qb's
there over analyzed and picked apart to death, primarily because picking the wrong qb in the 1st round will set back a franchise 4-5 years (see losman for example) and yes clausen does have excellent recievers and rudolph hasn’t even been mentioned yet. Clausen does have good mechanics, a nice step into his throw and good pocket presence. plus no one has mention that the kid’s tougher biker bar doorman. this kid took a pounding that would make Rocky look like a chick flick his 1st 2 years and never missed a snap. can’t say that about too many bills qb’s over the past decade.
by J. Mackin on Sep 17, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was suppose to be “tougher then a bike bar doorman”
by J. Mackin on Sep 17, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish you guys could see the best player in college football play...
I’m a Cal homer, but Javhid Best is the best RB to come out of college since AP…he is so freaking fast he makes Chris Johnson look like Tom Brady..
by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have zero doubt that we’ll mention Jahvid in three up at some point this season.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After Cal’s Bowl game last year (when I tuned in to watch Alex Mack), I became a huge fan of Best. Would love to see a back that fast on the Bills.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 17, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched Best play against Maryland. I wouldn’t say that he’s faster than Johnson, but he might be a Chris Johnson clone. I’d be very, very surprised if somebody like McKnight or Spiller was taken before Best.
by kaisertown on Sep 17, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple things to add
On Derrick Morgan, he’s listed at 6’4, 270 and looked every bit the part. He looked like a natural fit on the left side of a 4-3 defense which is why I was so curious about him in the first place. And his tackle in the backfield came on a 4th and one. I don’t know why I didn’t include that little factoid in my email.
Brandon Lang looked fast and like an athlete, but I didn’t see much burst off the line. I think he’s destined to rush standing up in a 3-4. Lang did have a sack against LSU and Ohio St. last year, so it isn’t a competition thing. He just didn’t look good enough to be an every down player in a 4-3 and he didn’t have the explosiveness I’d want in a situational rusher. If the Bills ran a 3-4, I might change my opinion on him some, or at least I’d like to see him play again.
by kaisertown on Sep 17, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some things to add
I was a fan this weekend and watched only three games: Syracuse-Penn State; Michigan-Notre Dame; and USC-Ohiio State. Here are the players that stood out to me:
Evan Royster, RB Penn State. He’s a pretty good RB, but struggled often out of the one-back set. PSU usually has a decent OL, but they’ve struggled slightly when running without a FB. I can’t determine if it’s him or the OL and will need to watch more. What really stood out for me was his pass catching ability. He’s a natural hand catcher, looked comfortable out wide and in the slot, and ran good routes. I’m grading him in the second round. I don’t see him breaking into the first round, but someone is going to get a decent RB on day two.
Graham Zug, WR, Penn State. Similar to Austin Collie. Great hands, great feel for the defense and adjusting his routes. I don’t think he’s going to run well at the combine, but he didn’t seem to have issues getting seperation deep. He’s not in my top 100, but he could be a last round surprise.
Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State. Really surprised me in this game. I saw him last year, and he seemed like a decent 3-technique DT. But he was doubled by Syracuse a lot, and when he was, he got washed out. However, he had much more burst than I anticipated seeing, and showed he could bend the edge when running twists. He reminds me of Luis Castillo, a college DT that was a better fit as a 30 front end. He may move up from the second round into the late first, like Castillo, because of the value he brings to 3-4 teams.
Mikhail Marinovich, DE, Syracuse. (Soph.) This kid is an animal. I’ve seen him twice, and he looks like a poor-man’s David Pollack, but a couple inches taller. He’s always around the ball, hustles, and is just plain disruptive. Like Pollack, Marinovich’s game is effort all the time. I could almost feel the Penn State OT’s getting frustrated because he just kept coming. Someone to watch for the future. He’s fun to watch and is likely to become a fan favorite.
Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame. (Jr.) Not to be dramatic, but watching Clausen reminds me of watching Jim Kelly. As noted, he throws rainbows, but he is consistently attacking deep (He’s effective in the short and intermediate passing game as well). Watching him, I immediately see from his body language that he thinks he’s the best football player on the field, and no matter how many bad passed he throws, he’s still going deep the next play. I haven’t seen that swagger from a college QB since Peyton Manning at Tennessee. I think he’s a future top five pick and will do well in the NFL.
Eric Olsen, C, Notre Dame. The Irish OL beat up the Michigan front at times (Michigan plays a 3-3-5, which accounts for some of this). But Olsen dominated in the middle. Typical tough Irish center. He’s a bit taller than John Sullivan, but is more mobile. Michigan’s DT’s are light, so I didn’t get a good sense on his ability to anchor against the bull rush, but there are plenty of games left.
Charles Brown, OT, USC. Playing his way into the first round. He’s everything you want in a LT, but is a bit light, weighing in around 290-295. But he dominated every Buckeye he faced one-on-one. Great feet. Easily executes the kick slide. Decent punch, but not great. He mitigates it with mile-long arms. Needs to add some lower body weight, but if he plays this way all season, he’ll be a late first rounder.
Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State (Jr.) The single most dominant player I saw this weekend. Craig Heyward’s son was unblockable one-on-one. USC has one of the most talented OL’s in the country, and Heyward could not be single blocked all night long. Jeff Byers, in particular, got beat up by Heyward. A power-to-speed type of rusher. Ridiculously strong. Decent first step and good speed around the edge. Can play 5-technique DE in a 3-4 with ease (OSU used a 3-4 much of the night), or Base DE in a 40 front. He might even be able to play weakside DE in a 4-3. He reminds me of Tyson Jackson, but more athletic and a much better pash-rusher. And he’s much meaner and plays much harder than Jackson. I have him in the first round currently, but he looked like a top ten pick Saturday night.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 17, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Iron Head!
~K
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by Kurupt on Sep 17, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's my new favorite
Check him out if you get a chance. He’s not overweight like his dad. Seems like his really internally driven from OSU reports.
Drafting this kid is my new off-season hope.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 17, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just as long as they don’t switch him to DB. We don’t need any more OSU DBs!
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 17, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't that the new trend?
what are you talking about, i thought every team spends and 8th overall pick on a free safety lol
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by J. Mackin on Sep 17, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OSU has three draftable safeties. I’m sure 2 are headed to Buffalo.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 18, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did Brown and Heyward both dominate everyone they played? Didn’t they line up across from each other regularly? Who won the battle when they did? I had the game on, but wasn’t really paying much attention.
by kaisertown on Sep 17, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OSU played a 3-4
Heyward played mostly against the guards. Thad Gibson and Robert Rose lined up wide. Brown handled both of them with ease. Gibson and Rose got pressure from LOLB.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 18, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. Gibson is supposed to be pretty good too. Good to see that Brown did a good job against him.
by kaisertown on Sep 18, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s good, but Rose seemed to have a better burst to me. Rose wasn’t on my radar a few weeks ago, but he is now.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 18, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was a fan of his fathers
but we drafted a de this year, wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense if shobel’s back healthy and maybin progresses. still don’t know what we have in ellis. i’m thinking if it’s not a QB, then O-lineman or nose tacke would be the best bet….maybe a saftey. i know the o-line and safety’s are deep, anyone have any insite on the DT’s?
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by J. Mackin on Sep 17, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why does a DE make less sense than those other positions? Denney will be a FA, Kelsay will be in the last year of his contract and Schobel is going to be 33 years old next year. With Whitner, Byrd and Scott, Buffalo seems pretty set at safety, the DTs are Buffalo’s strongest position on defense and the Bills have a young starter at each spot on the OL. Maybe Bell will flounder, but the OL could easily be set for the next couple seasons.
DT is good at the top and very deep. If a few juniors declare early, there could be 4-5 DTs go in the first 40 picks and 10 or more in the first 100 picks. It’s a strong draft all around and DT might be one of the most talented and deepest of the draft.
by kaisertown on Sep 17, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Would love to see the Bills draft another DE or DT with their first pick. DE, DT, LB with their first three picks (depending on how injuries go this season).
The Bills DTs are good, but the depth there is bad and Stroud isn’t getting any younger either.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 17, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s true, Stoud will be 32 next year. I wouldn’t mind a DT and would support drafting one if they were the best player on the board. I just don’t think DT is a top need for the Bills.
Then again, could this be the first year since God knows when that Buffalo doesn’t have a handful of major holes? Maybe this is the year that Buffalo can draft talent for the sake of adding talent and not to fill a gaping hole on the roster.
by kaisertown on Sep 18, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s amazing is how well the Bills did filling many of those gaping holes this year:
1. Maybin – obviously, the jury is still out after he missed all of training camp, but I believe he will provide some much needed life to the Bills’ pass rush. I wish he hadn’t missed those sessions with the Tae Kwan Do guy. He needs some moves besides the speed rush. But clearly he’s young and there’s time.
2. Wood – huge boost to the OL.
3. Byrd – already seeing the field a lot. Allowed them to trade Ko.
4. Levitre – another huge boost to the OL already.
5. Nelson – are you kidding me? Scores the first TD of the entire season for the Bills and had a couple key blocks as well. Can’t wait to see what this guy becomes.
6. Nic Harris – Already had one big heads-up play on ST. Likely to see the field much more with the injury to Poz.
7. Cary Harris – You have to go all the way to here (6th round) to find a pick that hasn’t looked all that good. Wow.
8. Lankster – had a monster camp and pre-season. Already on the roster.
Can you remember any other Bills’ draft when this many rookies had that much impact that early? Of course, it could have something to do with the talent level that was already on the Bills (or lack of talent). But if the Bills can draft like that again next year, watch out.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 18, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DT from BC
Was hoping Raji was going to fall to use this year. no offense to maybin, but Raji’s a freak
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by J. Mackin on Sep 18, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
It’s about building super-positions. The Giant’s DL overwhelms their opponent- see last Sunday’s game. Their DL itself will keep the Giants in most games.
I’d love for us to draft a power-rushing DE like Heyward or Wootton.
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by Der Jaeger on Sep 18, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets not get ahead of ourselves...
On Clausen. There are a lot of variables to be considered before thinking that he may enter the draft this year. In fact, I would pretty much doubt that he would…they have a very strong core of young players right now at ND (Clausen, Tate, Floyd, Rudolph, etc), that could be a challenger next year, even if there is a coaching change.
by quantumuprising on Sep 18, 2009 8:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he's staying
ND QB’s tend to stay in school. I think Weis will convince him similar to Brady Quinn.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 18, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
weis will still have to be there to convince him. plus Crist is waiting in the wings.
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by J. Mackin on Sep 18, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as ND doesn’t flop and Weis doesn’t get fired, I’d guess that he would stay too. Although, if Bradford and Snead either go back to school or have lower grades than Clauson, it could be tough for him to not declare.
by kaisertown on Sep 18, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking that Bradford is going to return to OU. I sense he wants to win the National Champoinship, and actually can do it with the team at OU. But that’s an uninformed, instinctive guess.
I think Snead is coming out. He already knows he’s the most physically gifted of the QB’s that are seniors or could declare. It makes sense to me.
I think Clausen stays unless Weis is fired.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 18, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy Graham
Tall lanky TE for the Hurricanes. Former basketball player. He’s listed at 6-8 (probably a bit exaggerated). 260 pounds. Played great last night. Another player to keep an eye on.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 18, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and on the flip side
morgan did not look so good last night
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