Bills 3-0 versus Gregg Williams defenses since 2000!

by freddyjj on Sep 21, 2009 3:54 PM EDT Comment 29 comments

Yes, we lost the "Homerun Throwback" game in playoffs after 1999 season (why couldn't Kevin Dyson drop lateral like Youboty?), but we beat them 16-13 to open the 2000 season.

In 2007, a late Trent Edwards to Josh Reed hookup gave us a last minute FG - btw thanks Joe Gibbs for calling successive time outs.

And last year the Bills went down to Jacksonville where the Trent Edwards to James Hardy TD was the difference.

So if Joe Pendry, Steve Fairchild and Turk Schonert could figure out Gregg Williams schemes, I am sure AVP can as well! It would seem the real test will be Perry Fewell's D versus the Sean Payton designed offense of the Saints.

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It would seem the real test will be Perry Fewell’s D versus the Sean Payton designed offense of the Saints.

LOL. You said a mouthful there.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 21, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And in those games we scored 16, 17, and 20 points. THat’s not exactly going to get it done against the Saints.

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 21, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

MRW, oh ye of little faith

Matthew Stafford and Kevin Kolb were making their 1st NFL starts and – surprise – threw 6 picks. The Lions and Eagles are struggling as a result.

Saints are living the charmed life ala Bills last year with some cupcake games early.

This game will be closer than anyone expects.

by freddyjj on Sep 21, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope your right freddyjj – i sincerely do

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by J2 on Sep 21, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

but that still doesn’t negate the fact that NO is averaging 45+ ppg. Stopping their offense will be an extremely difficult challenge, and that’s an understatement.

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by Kurupt on Sep 21, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

NO is averaging 45+ ppg

I know – it’s just ridiculous. I can see Brees throwing 50+ this year

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by J2 on Sep 21, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t disagree with you that the game will be, hopefully by far, the Saints’ biggest test yet. But this is a team that the Bills simply do not match up well with, particularly when they have the ball. We’re going to have to have a great, nearly flawless day to win – or they’ll need to be equally un-sharp. The latter isn’t likely to happen with Brees at the helm.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 21, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Start praying

For high winds and rain.
That Pierre Thomas and Mike Bell don’t heal up.
That Shockey gets ejected.

by freddyjj on Sep 21, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

We match up with them well, If Leodis and Drayton are a go and Perry Fewell has the guts to use the dime and even coverages using 7 or 8 defensive backs in certain situations..

Let’s make the saints beat us with the run, their backfield is banged up, Mike Bell, if he plays, I will be surprised.

Pierre Thomas is coming off the same injury that has limited him for 4 weeks.will he be a shell of last season?

This is the time to think outside the box.

In the Dime I like Florence and Youboty playing the slots with Youboty matched up with Shockey in coverage.

This is a winnable game if we don’t use the 4-3 as a base defense.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 22, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Saints' running game isn't crippled yet

Bell should be ready; Pierre Thomas should be ready as well. And if either of them can’t play, there’s Lynell Hamilton, who looked very solid in preseason…except for a problem with fumbles. If he plays, go for strips.

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by MtnExile on Sep 22, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If he plays, go for strips.

I’ll be sure to do that…

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 22, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh NO! My cover is blown!

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 22, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we drop 7-8 in coverage, Reggie Bush will eat us alive catching passes…

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by Kurupt on Sep 22, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ME???? Little faith?

I said 20 points won’t get it done. Brees usually throws three TDs in a game. That means we will have to score more than 20.

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 22, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Read you own Sig!!!!

Where’s that optimism???

by Cinga on Sep 21, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am optimistic the Bills can score more than 20. In fact they have in each game this year. But the thesis of the post was we have won against Gregg Williams defenses and my point was that Williams has done a good job against the Bills (admittedly terrible offenses).

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 22, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

What Brian and MRW said.

it’s not the defense i’m worried about – that offense is ridiculous. with a capital RIDICULOUS

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by J2 on Sep 21, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Let me run this by you

…just to get some local corroboration (or not).

I posted this earlier on the Saints blog: there’s rain in the forecast for next Sunday. Saints fans have bitter memories of playing the Bucs late last year in steady rain: 44 net rushing yards and three interceptions later, they’d lost 23-20.

Our offense may be ridiculous…but we still haven’t seen it tested by bad field conditions. And I don’t know anything about the state of the field at Ralph Wilson stadium: is it grass? artificial? in good condition? What’s it like when it’s wet?

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by MtnExile on Sep 21, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lol – I just posted in your article.

it’s fieldturf – so good condition.

When it’s wet it’s like all the other fieldturf stadiums really, a touch slippery – but your going to have that regardless.

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by J2 on Sep 21, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You asked about our weaknesses

…and since this is a thread about Gregg Williams’ defense, I’ll tell you something that is disturbing me so far.

When Williams was hired, we all celebrated: finally, we would have the sort of attacking defense we used to have in the glory days of the “Dome Patrol” (Rickey Jackson, Sam Mills, et al). What we heard was that he was intrigued by finally having the chance to serve as DC on a team with a top offense; that way, he could really pull out the stops, knowing that the offense could make up for any critical mistakes if something went wrong. We thought, oh boy: they’re going to blitzing like crazy.

But so far, his play calling has been pretty vanilla…or our guys just haven’t been able to execute. Darren Sharper has been a beast…but that’s just Darren Sharper. Our defensive line still can’t get good pressure, and blitzing hasn’t produced many sacks. Meanwhile, we’re still giving up tons of yardage to the pass.

You guys know Gregg Williams better than us: what gives? Does he always start off the season slow?

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by MtnExile on Sep 21, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Greg Williams is a person that loves the blitz, but has lousy timing on it.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 22, 2009 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Game comes down to can the Buffalo front four get any pressure on Brees bc if we blitz and miss its gonna be 6.

by LIBi on Sep 21, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think it comes down to the pressure off our front four, I think it comes down to if we can can confuse Brees with our coverage like droping 6 into a zone with one or two DBs playing man to man coverage and 3 or 4 lineman rushing. We have never shown something like that before. That’s our best chance to beat the saints.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 22, 2009 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Correction

It should have said this

I don’t think it comes down to the pressure off our front four, I think it comes down to if we can can confuse Brees with our coverage like droping 6 into a zone with one or two MORE DBs playing man to man coverage and 3 or 4 lineman rushing. We have never shown something like that before. That’s our best chance to beat the saints.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 22, 2009 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You may be right

Brees is one of the coolest customers you’ll ever see. He doesn’t get rattled by pressure…he can go through four reads faster than most quarterbacks can go through two. The key is disguising your coverage. Unless you expect the pressure to actually get to him consistently and produce a half-dozen sacks per half, your best bet is to make him see something that’s not really there. Think James Harrison picking off Kurt Warner.

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by MtnExile on Sep 22, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unless you expect the pressure to actually get to him consistently

Ya – that’s a big ole negative. Well unless we blitz like the Jets did in NE

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by J2 on Sep 22, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If that is the case

Then Bills will have to win 54-51, going against Drew Brees and the weapons that he has in Colston, Meacham, Lance Moore, Devery Henderson, Jeremy Shockey, Reggie Bush, etc. – Pick your poison………Bills will have better chance of winning if it rains, snows, or Drew Brees goes drinking with Jim Kelly the night before and throws 4 picks.

by BuffaloWhiner on Sep 22, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

maybe it's just me

but I think the way to beat Drew Brees is to do the same thing teams try to do to Peyton Manning…… keep the guy off the damn field. It’s not as if our no-huddle is a “hurry up” offense anyways……. use the no-huddle if you will but keep putting the ball in Freddy’s hands and use shorter routes/screens to chip away the clock. Take few shots down field when they load the box but use that option sparingly.

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by Jax Bills Fan on Sep 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs