Bills sign OT Jamon Meredith from Green Bay
by Brian Galliford on Sep 22, 2009 1:41 PM EDT
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PrintNFL.com's Jason La Canfora is reporting via Twitter that the Buffalo Bills will sign OT Jamon Meredith off of the practice squad of the Green Bay Packers. OT Brad Butler was placed on Injured Reserve to make room for Meredith; the Bills have confirmed the signing.
Meredith (69, pictured above), a rookie out of South Carolina, was the second of Green Bay's two fifth-round pick this season (No. 162 overall). The 6'5", 304-pound tackle is regarded as a very athletic, very raw prospect, and the fact that Green Bay - which just surrendered five sacks to Bengals DE Antwan Odom - had him on the practice squad as a fifth-round rookie speaks volumes. Athleticism was a priority for the Bills in finding a reserve tackle because of the physical demands of the team's up-tempo, no-huddle offense.
Buffalo needed a tackle after learning on Monday that starting right tackle Brad Butler's season is over. Meredith will be the team's emergency tackle and likely will not be active - unless one of the team's top three tackles (Demetrius Bell, Jonathan Scott, Kirk Chambers) succumbs to injury as well.
The Bills generally go into games with seven active linemen. This move cements Scott's status as the Bills' starting right tackle for the immediate future, and Chambers - a key reserve in 2007 and 2008 that has not yet been active this season - becomes the team's top backup at both left and right tackle.
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Having a 5th rounder on the practice squad means either the player isn’t that good (at least right now) or the team is really deep at that position. As alluded to, GB doesn’t seem to have outstanding tackles. But Meredith’s experience fits right in on this team (which bothers me a lot less than others I’m sure) and the cost is right.
I think what this tells us more than anything is that the team likes Chambers more than the available free agents, and they think they can develop Meredith.
Athleticism was a priority for the team in finding a reserve tackle because of the physical demands of the team’s up-tempo, no-huddle offense.
How often is the team actually running a faced paced no-huddle? It seems the ball is snapped around the same point on the play clock with or without a huddle.
However, I think the Bills just might prefer more athletic OL in general, regardless of the offense. Given the success of the OL so far (especially relative to experience) it’s looking like it might be the right strategy.
My book on Meredith
Going into the 2009 Draft, I saw Meredith as a LT or guard prospect, and had him graded in the 2-3 round range. He’s as athletic as any OL his size. Some reports have him clocking in sub 5.0 40 times. Can really shuffle his feet and kick slides with ease. Not strong. Average hand punch. Not going to blow anybody away at this point.
Many reports question his overall toughness, mental and physical. Some talked about him being a locker-roon lawyer, but that’s a minor concern. The toughness issue is the point that I’d be interested to see. Kugler likes tough linemen, and Meredith, by most accounts, doesn’t fit the mold.
How Meredith develops under Kugler is a small plot to stay tuned to. If the reports are wrong, or Kugler can mold him, Meredith could be a legitimate starting LT.
Competition for Bell would be great... and no matter who wins, we need a RT too.
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One thing to keep in mind – when signing a player from another team’s practice squad, he must stay on the 53-man roster for 3 weeks. That is, even if he’s cut, he still uses up a roster spot for the next three games.
by Krenn on Sep 22, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think that is that big of a problem since Butler’s roster spot is open with him moving to IR.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 22, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
True – but it does mean the Bills can’t play with that roster spot the way they’re swapping Jenkins/Stupar. Also it means they’re not likely to change their mind, cut Meredith, and sign Runyan (or some other tackle).
Well as you said, they still can cut Jenkins if they need to. :-) That leaves them with the flexibility.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 22, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He looks little...fast fella though
My guess is he may have been on the bills draft board.
Here’s an interesting quote about Meredith from the Acme Packing Company back in June:
Another important decision looming is that of what to do with Jamon Meredith. A great athlete with a brain to match, Meredith was taken in the 5th round when his talent merits a 2nd round selection. He’s an excellent pass blocker with great fundamentals. His run blocking is above average, but he projects as a LT in the NFL, where his pass protection will be much appreciated on Aaron Rodgers’ blind side.
But, of course, with a prospect who’s stock falls in the draft, there’s always something. With Meredith, there were questions about his motivation, work ethic, and competitiveness. One report that stands out is that his college coaches referred to him as a “locker room lawyer”, whatever that means. I personally believe that Meredith, who actually fulfilled both roles as a student-athlete, didn’t blindly submit to his coaches’ will because he, get this, is smart. And smart people in an atmosphere where intellect is virtually irrelevant come across as arrogant and even insubordinate.
If Meredith’s problems were substance-related or legal, I’d have a problem. If people question his competitiveness on the field, I’d have a huge problem. But if the source of his “character issues” is because he asked “Why?” at some point during a practice, and that’s what ended up dropping him into the fifth round, then I just shake my head and say “I’ll take him.” The main point is that Meredith can play at a high level, and with a year or two of development, he’ll have a great chance to replace Chad Clifton at LT.
Is this the only factor why
he fell to the 5th round from the 2nd round grade he received going in?
I don’t like this – If any of you have watched Green Bay’s games so far, their right tackles have been embarrassing, terrible, awful…etc etc. If this guy was third or fourth on their depth chart, how good does that make him?
by quantumuprising on Sep 22, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
Well, he was on the practice squad. So he wasn’t part of the problem. If you want to say that GB didn’t see him as part of their solution, that’s valid – but not terribly relevant. I think Sean Kugler is an outstanding coach, and if he likes Meredith’s potential, so do I.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 22, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree – so far what he has given us for the o-line has been a shocking suprise. And I really think Kulger is putting his players in a position to win. I mean who would have though Bell would be playing NOW and doing so admirably and only improving…
I like Butler a lot and I hate the fact that we lost him this year – but before the season began we all were wondering when Butler would get nagged by an injury. I don’t think they bring this kid in as just a depth player long term – this might be something to see how he improves this year and then maybe replace Butler in a year or two – IMHO
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It’s amazing what winning and playing good fottball will do for a reputation. I remember at the start of camp or preseason there was strong uproar to get rid of Kulger because he hasn’t done anything and he was riding the coat tails of Mcanally. (not what I thought but it was definetly discussed) Now, with the job he has done with the young kids he could be up for assistant of the year!!!!! I think by cleaning house and getting rid of all the high priced veteran weight we are able to have a true OL. They don’t have there own shows and they aren’t quoted everyday in some paper they just go out there listen to there coach and kick ass! I’ll take 8 -10 “kids” that want to play then 5 primidona vets.
What few people don’t realize is that when Jauron came here in 2006, his first choice for OL coach was Kugler, and not McNally. But Kuges was tied up at Boise State, so McNally stayed. In ‘07, Kuges came on as McNally’s assistant, and after ’07, McNally “retired.” Now, Kugler finally has his guys on the line. Nowhere to go but up.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 22, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL. I meant “What few people realize,” and what I said was the opposite of what I meant. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 22, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That sound you hear is likely the cheering from the likes of Mario Williams and Julius Peppers.
I don’t want to judge Meredith yet. I’m worried what Scott will be able to handle.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 22, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions
Well Mario and Julius weren’t going to see anybody special anyways. With Butler out they were probably licking their chops anyways.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 22, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I know. I thought about that as I hit “post.” I’m a bit shocked Scott is the preferred player, over Chambers. Should I be?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 22, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
They kept him during cuts and then made him active on both weekends and let Kirk Chambers sit there. In camp when Butler went down, Chambers was the one that stepped in. This has to be a Kugler call.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 22, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it’s becuase Chambers is valuable as the LT backup as well as RT, where Scott has no value on the left side.
I didn’t think about that scenario.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 22, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s certainly an interesting signing. I will give the Bills credit for knowing what they want and going after it. Let’s hope he never has to play like Demetrius Bell last year.
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I can tell you one thing I know about Meredith...
dude can pass block his ass off, great balance and footwork. Not very powerful, but he is strong (does that make sense?) in his legs. Could use an NFL off season to get stronger, but he has a lot of potential.
by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 22, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions
I don't know how much this helps us this year. It is a good signing for a coaching staff that is planning to be around next season
Will Jauron get to reap the benefits?
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With GB’s Tackle problems it is not a good sign that they didn’t want to promote him from the practice squad. Means GB doesn’t feel he is NFL ready.
Ok: I just read about this…I guess GB couldn’t stop us from signing him to our active roster. I didn’t realize the practice squad worked like that, but I am a little more optimistic knowing that the Bills just made a move to get a player.
I am of the understanding we don’t have to give up anything either. Just he counts against our active roster for 3 weeks.
GB is probably pissed off. I sure would be if someone came in a stole our PS players (stupar or jenkins etc)
That happens a lot, actually. If GB really, really wanted to keep him, they’d have stashed him on the active roster in the same fashion the Bills did with Bell last season.
No, the Bills don’t have to give anything up – just the roster exception. No big deal.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 22, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Just as an aside… the Packers apparently have several FBs on their roster instead. Fans are not happy.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 22, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
ouch!
I know these subjects have been beaten to death, but after spending the last hour and a half watching Jon Runyan run demolish people on blocks, I don’t see how the Bills are not inking him. Same with D Brooks. Buggs looks decent, but they are going to be killed up the seam, and Peppers is going todevestate this line.
I think Runyan and Brooks would be a stop-gap fix. The organization is building for the long haul. I experience frustration trying to rationalize this myself. I want them to win with proven guys in places of importance. They seem to be showing their hand differently though.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 22, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Why Don't We Sign Anthony Munez
Everybody knows he was great and he’s not on anybody’s roster. Guys, you can’t just sign a name. He has to be able to still play.
I like the move. I really liked Meredith coming out of college, as he was an under-the-radar type of player, who had tremendous potential; in some ways in the mold of Demetrius Bell, both being very good pass-blockers and in that context natural knee-benders, which we’ll need at Tackle running the No-Huddle offense.
Sean Kugler is a very capable coordinator (just look at his time at Boise State, where he helped built one of the strongest O-lines in college football), and as Brian I trust that he knows this kid’s ability.
I’d much rather have a guy like this with tons of upside (and particularly being a very good pass-blocker) than a big, old and slow mauler like Runyan, who doesn’t have the athleticism he once had.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Sep 22, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions
Pre-Draft Analysis
I just looked at about 10 different ‘expert’ pre-draft rankings of Meredith. Not one of them projected him to go after the 3rd round. And most said he was a late 1st or 2nd round pick. Several had him higher ranked than Loadholt and some others that were taken in the first 2 rounds. I wasn’t able to find any reasoning for why he fell so far.
I think this was an incredibly smart move for the Bills. Pick up another lineman with huge upside. I can’t see any free agent tackle out there being significantly better than Chambers/Scott for this year anyway. So we essentially added an extra draft pick to our 2009 class. I think that is making the best of a bad situation.
We are going to struggle this year without Butler, but I REALLY like how we are taking a longer term vision this year with our roster decisions. I was VERY worried that with all of the FO on the hotseat, we’d be sacrificing the future to win now (like we did with Mularkey).
A little out of left field, but not a terrible move
Meredith was one of the tackles I liked in the mid-rounds heading into the draft. He’s very, very athletic for an OT, much like Bell. And also like Bell last year, he needs to add a lot of strength, bulk and improve his technique. With some coaching, he could be a very good player, but he’s far from being ready to play.
He looked pretty poor in the pre-season and proved he’s not close to being ready. GB probably thought they could stash him on the PS the whole season after his shoddy performance. He’ll get better here in Buffalo, and he’s a good kid from all indications. It’s a solid signing, one definitely for the future.
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Strength may not be a problem
Meredith had the 3rd highest reps of OT’s at the combine with 31. Only Alex Boone and Jason Smith had more with 33. Other notables: Britton 24, Monroe 23, Oher 21.
On top of that, he ran (by far) the fastest 40 out of all the big name tackles.
I am not saying he isn’t still a work in process, but he is extremely physically gifted. With the right coaching, his upside is immense.
I hate to say it, but I don’t know why anyone puts any emphasis on bench press. If you ask any of the players, they all hate it. Bench press is for roid rats. Notre Dame has a freshman punter that put up 225 (the combine weight) 28 times. Should he play offensive line?
by quantumuprising on Sep 22, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it could help the power of the hand punch, a classic O-line move.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
South Carolina
I remember watching Meredith at South Carolina and he wasn’t that bad. He was originally projected to go pretty high, so not sure why he lasted so long. But hey, Ray Maualuga lasted until the 2nd round and is starting for Cincinnati and lighting it up so far!
Here's a Q
If the Bills place him on their practice squad, can GB steal him back?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 22, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
Only if Green Bay signs him to the actice roster.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 22, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Could someone give a quick description of pracitce squad signings… I was always under then assumption that they were treated like restricted free agents. Someone can offer but the team has the right to match but if they dont they are compensated for the loss.
That is incorrect. Practice squad players only make $5200 a week. When they’re signed, they have an actual contract, and as has been mentioned, they must remain on the new team’s active roster a minimum of 3 weeks. From there, usual rules apply.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 22, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
did you know
What practice squad players are paid works out (when adjusted) to what Jim Thorpe was paid to play pro football.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 22, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
In theory, a practice squad guy could go to the GM and say “Buffalo just offered me this contract. Match it and put me on the active roster and I will stay or don’t and I will leave.” They are not required to do that however.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 22, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i like it
we seem to do a good job with young athletic linemen
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Draft pic
Its like we added a free draft pick from this past draft class. I’m not concerned he was on GB’s practice squad vs. active roster. Just hope Stupar doesn’t get snatched off ours. (Different subject matter, won’t get into it.)
I like the signing. There is a reason Runyan and Brooks are still free agents.
Why not Bobby April?
I really, really, really doubt anybody is going to snatch Stupar off our PS. Mediocre TE’s can be found anywhere.
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If somebody does grab Stupar, the Bills can always sign K instead. No real drop off in talent there IMHO…..
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All I know
is that the packers drafted this guy to eventually replace Chad Clifton. I’ll take him, the more young developmental talent on our line the better, we have proven we make LT’s the same way the Bears and Steelers make LB’s.
I kind of like the idea of adding more youth to our youth movement on the line. Adding a vet may have disrupted the leadership heirarchy emerging on the line and silenced the voices of guys like Hang and Wood. Our line is proving very capabale, add more youth.
We got your back Leodis!
we have proven we make LT’s the same way the Bears and Steelers make LB’s.
Peters is the only one…Don’t get ahead of yourself there, poz.
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He could have also used that woman with the army of babies as an analogy.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 22, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
the more young developmental talent on our line the better, we have proven we make LT’s the same way the Bears and Steelers make LB’s.
Shouldn’t Jauron be given major recognition, if this is true? Not implying you haven’t or wouldn’t. But shouldn’t the man and the organization be lauded for the things that go really right?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Peters was a Donohoe addition….
If Bell becomes a stud LT, Jauron and friends should be lauded for that.
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how quickly I forget what Donahoe even did for the Bills.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 22, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee Evans
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by J2 on Sep 22, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
didn’t forget him.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
im not even kidding
I was actually thinking abotu writing a fanpost about how much I agree with everything the organization has done this season and this off0season, I love it!
We got your back Leodis!
I feel that way too…other than LB.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 22, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
By dumping Meredith, the Packers had to swallow his $172,500 signing bonus. He had a horrible outing in Tennessee, giving up a sack, a knockdown and five hurries in 2 1/2 quarters at left tackle. "He doesn’t compete and he gets beat," one scout said. "I think he’s soft. Pretty good foot athlete. . . . He doesn’t like football." Many scouts said much the same thing about Meredith before the draft, but Thompson decided to take a shot on an athlete, which he has been known to do.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/57576357.html From the cutdown day report of the Pack.
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Well if we just went by our evaluation of Levitre in the Tenn. preseason game then scouts might have been questioning his toughness too. Everyone was ready to dump Levitre for one bad preseason game. Look how well he’s adapted already.
I am not saying Meredith will develop as fast as Levitre, but how do you call a rookie soft after one bad preseason game?
Pretty indepth report on Meridith
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/518588 — From CBS NFLDraftscout.com
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Other sources think highly of him as well
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=1674
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/518588
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2009/3/10/788915/scouting-report-jamon-mere
From these sources, it looks like we got a steal.
It looks like the eligibility issues from his senior season is because he played in one game as a true freshman in 2004. He appealed to make it a redshirt year and won, but the decision meant he had to sit out 2 games.
See this article (which also has links to more articles…):
http://www.packershome.com/index.php?name=ForumsPro&file=viewtopic&t=4424
Packers traded Ravens OT Tony Moll, who started a bunch of games last season
partly because they figured they had Meridith as depth, and he had a ton more upside. Looks like a nice pickup for the Bills.
There is obviously a reason he got let go. I’m sure the Packers didn’t just dump a potentially great player on their PS. Maybe the Bills system will be more suitable to his skill set and the Bills will end up with a steal, and maybe not.
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The Bills could have put Bell on their PS last year… just sayin.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 22, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So i may have missed it.....
but do you have to give the other team compensation when you take someone from their PS?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 22, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions
That happens a lot, actually. If GB really, really wanted to keep him, they’d have stashed him on the active roster in the same fashion the Bills did with Bell last season.
No, the Bills don’t have to give anything up – just the roster exception. No big deal.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 22, 2009 3:30 PM ART
by hightower_mc on Sep 22, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
perfect thanks.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 22, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
from Packer fans
“Meredith was literally the only talent on SC’s O-line last year. If he was good enough to stop top-notch SEC d-linemen then he’s pretty ‘darn’ good.”
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There is a bunch more stuff on Meredith in today’s daily links.
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