Bills vs Saints: Five questions with Canal Street Chronicles
The Buffalo Bills are 1-1. They've rebounded nicely from a crushing defeat in their season opener in defeating Tampa Bay 33-20 last Sunday. The "start" - for lack of a better term - of the season is over, and the Bills are at .500. Their next test is a big one, with the high-scoring, undefeated New Orleans Saints coming to an Orchard Park NFL stadium near you.
This here is our weekly obligatory interview with the blogger of our weekly opponent - and to say Saintsational and his brethren at Canal Street Chronicles are flying high after the Saints' hot start is an understatement. New Orleans is without question the one team that has flashed the most dominance in their first two games - and considering the history of the Saints franchise as a whole, a little optimistic enthusiasm is to be expected.
I sat down with "Saintsational" this week and exchanged five questions and five answers, as will happen every week this year. His answers to my questions are after the jump. Make sure to drop by CSC today for the reciprocating interview, and to drop a little Bills knowledge if you feel so inclined.
Is there any chance Drew Brees misses the flight to Buffalo? And on a more serious note, if the early weather forecast is right (are they ever?) - rain and wind - how does that affect the Saints' game plan offensively and Brees' game?
If Drew missed the Saints' charter flight to Buffalo this week, he could easily hop into a phone booth for a quick change, use his super-hero-like abilities and fly himself through the air to New York in a single bound, black and gold fleur-de-lis appliqued cape and all.
Seriously though, rain would suck. The Saints are a dome team, and they even do a lot of practicing inside. They've never been great in the elements. Naturally, you would think the Saints would try to keep the ball on the ground more than usual, but head coach Sean Payton has shown a stubbornness to try and get it done through the air, regardless. The Saints are lucky to be playing in Buffalo early rather than later this season, but bad weather could certainly be an equalizer.
Reggie Bush was the No. 2 overall pick, but the Saints' ground game has been more about Pierre Thomas and Mike Bell of late. What exactly is Bush's role in this offense?
You will continue to see Mike Bell and Pierre Thomas get a bulk of the standard running back carries. The key is not to put Reggie in that same category. His role does include a little bit of the standard running back stuff, but it also includes so much more than that. His mere presence on the roster forces opposing teams to game plan and spend a lot of time figuring out how to deal with him, leaving a lot of opportunity for the rest of the play makers on this offense.
It seems the coaching staff has resigned themselves to giving Bush a certain number of touches every game, but each of those touches comes in a variety of different forms. Every now and then he might take an inside hand off, but most of the time he's utilized on swings, screens and pitches. He'll even line up out wide. All of this on top of returning punts. Getting him into space so that he can use his athletic ability and speed to beat guys one on one is when he's most dangerous, and what the Saints try to focus on. If he's not getting the ball, he's being used as an ever-important but under-appreciated decoy. Without him, this offense might not be able to execute the way it does, even if Reggie never touches the ball.
The Saints are currently No. 21 in the NFL in total defense in Gregg Williams' first season as defensive coordinator. What have been the most notable changes defensively in New Orleans under Williams?
Turnovers. For sure. The Saints have always been losers in the turnover battle in years past, but that has completely changed. That can most likely be attributed to a complete change in philosophy and attitude. Williams has taught the defensive guys to "populate" and swarm around the player with the ball, always trying to knock it loose. And when a ball does hit the turf, they're taught to scoop and score. It's been very noticeable and very welcome.
One thing that was advertised with Williams that I still don't think we've really seen is pressure. When Gregg arrived this summer, his most famous quote was, "Knock 'em the $%#& out," but there's still a little left to be desired in that department.
If there is one weak area for the Saints, what is it, and how can Buffalo exploit it?
Long distance field goal kicking is probably the weakest area. Seriously. If the Bills can force John Carney to keep banging home 45-yarders, the Saints are screwed. But something tells me that wasn't the answer you were looking for.
The Saints' offense is number one in the league, so their weakest area has got to be on the other side of the ball. On defense, that would probably go to the outside linebacker position. It's not awful, but it ain't great, either. If the Bills could dink and dunk a lot of short stuff in the soft spots of the linebacking zone, then that might free up a deep strike when necessary. I'm just thinking out loud here.
The Saints have played a re-building Lions team and an Eagles team that is pretty good, even without Donovan McNabb. Where does this Bills game rank in terms of tough contests this early in the season?
It's unfortunate, but I think the Saints' first two wins this season have been somewhat discredited due to the perceived quality of their opponents. I certainly see the reasoning behind it, but great teams are expected to easily take care of weaker opponents, and that's just what the Saints have done so far. In fact, the Saints have done nothing yet to lead us to believe they aren't really that good.
Having said that, I definitely don't think the Bills should be overlooked, especially with the game being in Buffalo. However, I'd be lying if I said last week's defeat of the Eagles on their own turf doesn't have me believing the Saints can do the same in Buffalo.
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OK, then. I can't wait for Sunday. :)
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Well, with all that being said, here’s hoping for a tsunami/blizzard/typhoon/hurricane at in orchard park on Sunday.
And i don’t mean any/or. I mean all combined.
by quantumuprising on Sep 24, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions
ahhhhh icwutudidthere.
i didn’t even think of it that way. i’m really disappointed in myself right now.
by quantumuprising on Sep 24, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Seem cocky to me
Is it just me or did this guy seem very cocky in his responses. Yes, they’re 2-0, yes they beat the Eagles at Philly but seriously, no McNabb is huge in that win. Talking about te weather being the “equalizer”, Buffalo is one play away from being 2-0. I hope the Saints come into Buffalo with this same attitude because they will leave with a L.
confident – not cocky. they’re good
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by J2 on Sep 24, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's the main difference between Confidence and Cockyness
A Saints fan is Confident. They have the bestt (indoor) offence in the league and have yet shown any reason why that would change. And their deffence, while still mediocre, is good enough to not lose games for them. Now they’re not saying that they’ll win it all after 2 wins, but they’re saying that their team has a very good chance of winning against us this weekend. And it’s true.
Where as…
A Pats fan is Cocky. Without even thinking, they say that they have the best team in football, that they will win the SB this year and that Tom Brady is as good as ever. When in reality, we almost beat them and Trent has been a better QB the Brady this season. Although Brady’s clutch ability is still awsome, he has not been that impressive. Pats fans generally fail to realise that they have any weaknesses what so ever, hence, they’re cocky.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Sep 26, 2009 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I see nothing cocky about his responses.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 24, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
McNabb was a non-factor either way.
McNabb doesn’t play defense. The game may have been a bit closer with McNabb in, but the outcome would have been essentially the same: Saints W.
Don’t overlook the Saints D, the numbers everyone is yammering on about all came in garbage time or on single bad plays (Kolb’s 71 yarder in the 1st quarter was a blown coverage). When it mattered, the Saints locked ‘em down, then they just slowed ’em down once it didn’t matter.
If the Bills play with the same attitude you have, they’ll look like the Eagles did last week. For your sake, they’d better take this one seriously – I know the Saints, and their fans, do.
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by GSO Saints Fan on Sep 24, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think you can say the game would have essentially been the same. A healthy qb means ball control, possession, scoring, etc. That turnover at the start of the second half really changes the game. Would that happen with mcnabb in? who knows
by quantumuprising on Sep 25, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the Saints were only winning that game 17-13 at half time. It’s not like the Saints walked all over them right out the gate. Couldn’t McNabb have turned one of those first half FGs into a TD? The Eagles had three drives in the first half where gained fewer than 10 yards. Does that still happen with McNabb?
With McNabb, even fumbling away the kick return to open the 2nd half, maybe the game is still very close. Kolb threw an INT on that 2nd drive, allowing the Saints to start inside the Philly 30 again. Does that still happen with McNabb? That game doesn’t necessarily end the same way if Donovan McNabb plays.
As cocky as morning wood on a rooster......lol
Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Bruce Smith and Andre Reed aren't walking through that door with there helmets and jerseys anymore, so lets get over are past and build a new tradition.
That picture of Gregg Williams is hysterical. When I saw it I said," Who the heck is that weirdo?" Then I read the caption and laughed for about 15 minutes.
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Fha.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 24, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
he looks like scotty 2 hottie from the old wwe
by dragonwag0n on Sep 24, 2009 10:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There it is,……
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 24, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was Guy Fieri
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 24, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
He looks like a young Woody Page...
… I think that’s his name. You know, the guy on ‘Around the Horn’? Even has the same big mouth.
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by Tigernut on Sep 25, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Should we be scared.....
of the Saints? They present much of the same problems NE did. I think they will try and be more vertical than the Pats were. I like our athletes against their athletes. We need to do a better job on the TEs though.
Special Teams is gonna get it done this weekend.
The Saints are going to find out that it is time to pay up as the Bills are due……
Scott
Last year when we faced the Chargers, we put Bryan Scott on Gates, and he shut him down…I’d like to think that will happen Sunday with Shockey.
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Question for Saintsational or any other Saint's fans out there
Everyone knows about your offense. But what are some names on your defense that Bills fans are probably not familiar with? Who’s stock has been rising or falling on D? Who are the playmakers?
Vilma, Greer, Will Smith, Charles Grant, Sedrick Ellis, Darren Sharper, Tracy Porter, Roman Harper….Those guys are all good players off the top of my head. I think they still have Scott Fujita at LB too. Bobby McCray was signed last year as a pass rusher, and he had a pretty good year for them last year as the 3rd DE.
They can definitely be run on, IMO. Their secondary is much improved over last year with the Greer and Sharper additions, and a now healthy Porter. They also drafted Malcolm Jenkins in round 1. They have a bunch of DE’s, but only 1 backup DT, I think. That might be something to exploit if we can run on them and wear them down.
And since it’s a Gregg Williams D, Pierson Prioleau is one of the backup safeties. Anthony Hargrove is one of their backup DE’s too…
Overall, it’s a much improved defense talent-wise. It’s still just a mediocre unit though.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Charles Grant is one of the pair we’ve dubbed the Powderpuff Twins. He and fellow starter Will Smith have shown us nothing for years now…ever since first Grant and then Smith signed lucrative extensions. Both have been outplayed by Bobby McCray, who equalled their combined sack total last year.
Darren Sharper is awesome…and I hate using that word casually. Last year, we had Josh Bullocks and Kevin Kaesviharn playing in that position. It was by far the weakest on the team. (Jason David brought cornerback pretty low, too…but we had other corners we could play. We had no other free safety.) This year, free safety has become our position of greatest strength, along with middle linebacker (Jonathan Vilma).
Scott Shanle, the guy we call “Lunchpail,” is an unglamorous plugger…but he rarely makes a mistake, and so far this year he’s snagged two interceptions. He’s a sure tackler, but a bit slow for an outside backer…if he winds up in coverage, he can be exploited. Or he can sneak in for another pick. Be careful.
Malcolm Jenkins held out, then didn’t look like all that in training camp. He’s not in the starting rotation at cornerback yet…but he’s been a special teams stud for us. The guy really wants to make a name for himself.
Jabari Greer and Anthony Hargrove…well, all I can say is, “Thank you very much!”
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Hargrove will break your heart.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 24, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Why? Drugs?
He seems to be remorseful.
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by Dave Cariello on Sep 24, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
They always do
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
He was remorseful when he came to Buffalo for being a jerk in STL.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 24, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
DT for the saints
hargrove is listed as a end but plays in the middle mostly, they have alot of versatility most guys play multiple spots. plus the saint’s have used a 3-4 base too.
the saints have played fairly vanilla on D so far, they really haven’t shown their blitz packages yet, being so far ahead in games,they have really played, back rushing 4 or 3 most of the time. in the eagles game, the only blitz i remember in the second half was on the sharper pic6, i counted 7 blitzes (very unofficial) in the first half.
I wouldn't call any D with six picks thru 2 games 'mediocre'.
And about half the points scored on them (41) have been garbage time points or because of Offense and ST screw ups.
Not saying they are ‘great’ yet, but I think they are deserving of ‘good’.
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by Tigernut on Sep 25, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW, Saintsational wasn't entirely honest.
We do have a weakness and it’s not long FGs, it’s Special Teams. Bush has muffed a couple of punts and there have been some long runbacks on kickoffs and punts. The ST’s do have a flash every now and then, but generally, we definitely need to tighten up.
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by Tigernut on Sep 25, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Jo-Lonn Dunbar
is a young linebacker that has impressed many. He won’t start but he plays special teams and might come in for a few plays.
Tracy Porter is our other cornerback opposite Jabari Greer. This is his second year and Saints fans are excited about him.
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by Dave Cariello on Sep 24, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
They also have Anthony Hargove rushing the passer. Very good player IMO but never could stay out of trouble in STL or BUF (or rochester for that matter).
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 24, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I see they do podcasts over at CSC...
Is that do-able on here Brian? I think that would be pretty neat.
by dragonwag0n on Sep 24, 2009 9:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
A local media friend of mine does those podcast
I just co-host. Podcast’s are a lot of work.
We do a post-game show that can be fun, though.
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by Dave Cariello on Sep 24, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
ill be wearing my lucky rocketship underpants during the game. this should help as well.
by quantumuprising on Sep 24, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
in this game getting rid of Schonert will really pay off
Any tendencies they might have gotten out of Jabari Greer earlier when looking at the schedule means nothing with AVP in there. Yes!
We got your back Leodis!
I see no one on the Bills' D who can match up with Reggie Bush.
I feel that this could be the x-factor in Sunday’s game.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 24, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions
Ever hear of a guy named
Keith F*#$in’ Ellison?
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Yeah, good luck convincing anyone that that will work out well....
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Again, I see no one on the Bills D who can match up with Bush (that will be asked to cover him).
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 24, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Bush is not who scares me about this offense
we can maintain the run
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Nobody is worried about Bush running the ball. It’s when he’s matched up against Keith Ellison or Kawika Mitchell when Brees drops back to pass that will be the problem….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
The last thing I would attribute NO’s defensive turnovers to is Gregg Williams and defensive philosophy. They played Drew Stafford, Kevin Kolb and their combined 34 career passing attempts.
Want to know some defenses that havn’t created turnovers over the last 4-5 years? Gregg Williams led defenses would be the correct answer. Jacksonville had 13 INTs and the fewest forced and recovered fumbles in the league. His last two years in Washington, those defenses combined for 16 INTs. 8 interceptions per season.
New Orleans is creating turnovers because the QBs they have faced are wildly inexperienced and because their defensive personel is finally improving. Vilma was a great addition for them last year. Sedrick Ellis is a stud in the making and they’ve got solid players at every spot in the lineup. Please Saints fans, don’t give Gregg Williams too much credit yet.
And the Saints do have weaknesses. They’ve only got a pair of sacks so far. How does a team only wind up with two sacks against Detroit’s OL with a rookie QB in his first game and Philly’s beat up OL with Kevin Kolb in the pocket? They held those QBs to a very impressive 53% completion percentage, but those two still combined to average 6.7 yards per pass attempt, so the deep ball has been available. Mediocre pass rush and safeties that can get beat over the top isn’t a good combo.
But they’re 2-0 at the end of the day.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 24, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
right but kaisers point
is that their defense is very beatable and that creating turnovers isnt their only weakness.
We got your back Leodis!
I know, i'm just saying
carts and horses. The Bills have to prove they can exploit their weaknesses, and that may only come if they can control the Saints offense a bit.
They’re beatable but still undefeated. I know it’s only 2 games, but games is games.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 24, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i can’t believe that they didn’t get more picks from drew stafford. it must be hard for a right winger to step in and play nfl quarterback with no previous experience.
=D
by quantumuprising on Sep 24, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably the most important turnover of the season so far
was on the second half kickoff last week. The Saints kicked off to the Eagles, Malcolm Jenkins stripped the ball loose, the Saints got it back and immediately scored. That was the turning point of the game and the end for Philadelphia. That never would have happened last year and it has nothing to do with opposing quarterbacks.
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by Dave Cariello on Sep 24, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but I really doubt it had anything to do with Gregg Williams and any attitude or philosphy that he brings. So Malcolm Jenkins, who missed a lot of training camp, strips the ball because Gregg Williams taught him to? Jenkins striped the ball because he’s a good player.
I wasn’t trying to rip the Saints, just the concept that Gregg Williams had anything to do with the Saints’ defense creating turnovers. If the Saints D keeps it up and has a great season, the credit should go to the players and the fact that it’s easily the most talented group of defensive players the Saints have had in awhile. The reason the D is turning things around is acquisitions like Vilma, Ellis, Sharper, Greer, etc … If anything, the Saints are forcing turnovers in spite of WIlliams.
No offense taken
But I still disagree. Perhaps Williams’ time in Buffalo left Bills fans unimpressed but I think the change in the Saints defense is noticeable and I think it has everything to do with Williams.
It’s a difficult thing to explain or try and put words to but it’s there. Saints fans have now had the chance to see some of the same players under two different systems/philosophies and the results are quite different.
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by Dave Cariello on Sep 24, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
and I think it has everything to do with Williams.
Wouldn’t you say an upgrade in overall defensive talent plays a huge role too? Having better players around the players that were in place last year is always helpful in getting those guys to play up to their potential….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
certainly would agree with that
but there are only two new starters on the Saints defense (Sharper, Greer) this season compared to last. The rest were on the team last year. Same three linebackers, same front four. It’s pretty impossible to tell which has more of an influence on improvement but I just assume most of the credit goes to the guy in charge.
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by Dave Cariello on Sep 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I was never a fan of Williams as our HC, but that isn’t much of a factor for me. And maybe the defense playing better in general has something to do with Williams, but he’s never had defenses that force turnovers. In 2007, the Redskins had 5 INTs. It was six fewer than every other team in the league except for one. In other words, only one defense didn’t have more than twice as many interceptions as they did. The Jags forced and recovered fewer fumbles than every team in the league last year. He’s never coached defenses that create turnovers.
I think when you play a couple veteran QBs and veteran offenses in general, the defense will come back down to earth and be a good, but average unit. Gregg Williams has been fired two seasons in a row for a reason. I’ll try the argument like this: if the MLB is Mark Simoneau instead of Vilma and if it’s Brian Young and not Sedrick Ellis at DT, Kaesviharn instead of Sharper and Jason David instead of Jabari Greer, are the Saints still a team with a defense that looks like it has a different attitude?
This is just speculation
but Payton has been trying the last two years to change the Saints turnover differential. Maybe that was something Payton told Williams to really focus on?
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by Dave Cariello on Sep 24, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Payton also tell Williams to bleach his hair?
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 24, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Not quite accurate
GW was fired in Washington by the same idiot who hired Jim Zorn. Then, the Jaguars essentially picked up the last year of his Redskins contract; at the end of the year, he was a free agent. By that time he knew he didn’t want to work with Jack Del Rio anymore. He was highly sought after, and New Orleans was lucky to get him.
You could say, with much greater justice, that he’s had four top-ten defenses for a reason.
And yeah: I think the defense would have a different attitude even if those named players were still starting. They wouldn’t be as good; but they’d have a better attitude. If you’d been following the transition from Gary Gibbs to Gregg Williams the way we did, you’d know that everyone was glad to see Gibbs go, and all the players were stoked to find out they had a coach who actually wanted them to cut loose and play aggressively.
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Being better than the guy before you doesn’t make you good, it just makes you better than the guy before you. And it’s not that I think Gregg Williams is a bad coordinator. I actually think he’s better than average in that role. I just don’t think it makes any sense to give credit for creating turnovers to a guy who has never had defenses that were even average in the turnover department.
Saintsational makes a good point about how only two starters are new this year (although guys like Ellis and Harper are young and improving too), but your defense embarrased bad quarterbacks last year. The Saints held JaMarcus Russel to his third lowest yards per attempt performance of last season and he turned it over twice and the Raiders only scored 3 points. Dan Orlovsky had his 2nd worst ypa against the Saints. It was one of only two games that he didn’t throw a TD and he turned it over twice. Detroit only scored 7 points. Kyle Orton had his lowest ypa of his season and turned the ball over three times. Beating up on crappy QBs is nothing new for this Saints D.
Us Bills fans learned a valuable lesson last year after watching our team start 5-1 only to learn that all of the teams we beat stunk and we were a mediocre team the whole time. The same thing could happen with Williams and that defense once you face some good QBs.
I agree with you on the turnovers
because my own research showed the same thing: GW’s defenses have never been particularly proficient at taking the ball away.
But beating up on bad quarterbacks? Not as cut and dried. Several passers had better-than average days against New Orleans. In 2008, Jason Campbell had an 84.3 passer rating; against New Orleans, he was 104.1. Gus Frerotte had a 73.7 passer rating; against New Orleans, he was 81. Jake Delhomme, especially, feasted on our secondary (though that was as much Steve Smith as Jake Delhomme)…he had an 84.7 rating in 2008, but against New Orleans, he was 122.3 and 129.2.
Looking back on it, checking the actual stats, I was surprised to find out that more quarterbacks didn’t actually do significantly better than they did. I remembered things being much worse. The AMA has recognized a new diagnostic code for “Saints Cringe,” characterized by cranio-facial rigor, pallor, diaphoresis, and repetitious verbalizations such as “NOT AGAIN!” and “MY GOD WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME!”
We’re hoping Gregg Williams is the proper treatment.
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I'm with MtnExile on this
If you substituted those players you mentioned, the overall product would certainly not be as good BUT I think Williams would get way more out of them than Gibbs was getting and I think it would be noticeable.
For example, exchange Mark Simoneau for Vilma. That would suck, sure, and Vilma is a much better player. But I still think you would see Simoneau at the very least trying to make plays that he wouldn’t have attempted otherwise.
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by Dave Cariello on Sep 24, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt** Stafford…Drew is a winger for the sabres lol
by dragonwag0n on Sep 24, 2009 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Haha – beat me to it. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 24, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
MRW!
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 24, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Kaisertown is right
I did a piece for CSC on Gregg Williams just after he was hired, and I was surprised to find out how poorly his defenses did in creating turnovers.
Another thing to consider is that Drew Brees has been very efficient with his passing this year. He has two interceptions in two games, to compare with nine touchdowns. We also lost a fumble against Detroit. So far, we’re +3 in turnover differential, but that has just as much to do with protecting the ball on offense as it does with taking it away on defense.
As for sacks…well, we’re still waiting on those, too. We got a lot of pressures against Philly, though, and that contributed to the Eagles’ offensive ineptitude.
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Hey question. Where has Lance Moore gone? Except for this Sunday I’m a huge Marques Colston fan (I see he is your sig) and I thought it was a shame that he would lose targets to Moore this year but it doesn’t look like he has. Was Moore a one year wonder who will slide back into being a third or fourth option?
We got your back Leodis!
pulled hammy/shoulder surgery
missed 3/4 of preseason and most of the first 2 games. he’s still got the goods and ya’ll might get a healthy dose of him sunday.
by knucklesmalone on Sep 24, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh, great
glad to see hes healthy just in time for us….
thats unfortunate for him though. It doesn’t seem like his absence has had a detrimental effect on your offense at all but he lost a pre-season right after breaking out.
We got your back Leodis!
He made a couple of great catches against the Lions in the opener I saw…He’s a good player.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Lance Moore
Moore’s greatest strength as a receiver has been (particularly last year) that he catches whatever is thrown to him. His hands were like glue for most of last year, and Drew Brees is accurate enough to put it in the right spot.
As for whether he is a “one-year wonder”, the answer is . . . kinda. He’s the same player with the same skills, but with Colston injured for most of last year, someone had to step up. Devery Henderson is more of a deep threat receiver, so it was unlikely he would fill in for Colston’s role. Robert Meachem was still young and not entirely reliable. Shockey was injured. Lance Moore ended up filling that role and doing an admirable job. With Colston back, though, Moore’s catches, regardless of injury, were likely to drop. That doesn’t make him a bad player or a one-year wonder exactly. It just makes him a very, very good #3 receiver.
by TheBobLoblawBlog on Sep 25, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
and it's Matt Stafford, not Drew.
and speaking of Drew, why is no one speaking of Drew? Even with tight coverage, the guy can thread the needle and he does it from a three-step drop. You want to beat the Saints? The game plan better start with figuring out a way to pressure Brees. It ain’t easy, neither. 3 won’t do it. 4 won’t do it. You better bring 4 AND the safety blitz and hope he doesn’t find the guy you couldn’t afford to cover.
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by Tigernut on Sep 25, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Why is everyone so afraid of friggin' Shockey?
That’s not the guy that’s going to kill us Sunday.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Colston is one of the most underrated players in this league. We better keep him in check. The only reason I’m worried at all about Shockey is because we’ve given up 4 touchdown passes to TE’s this year so far. Its not about Shockey as much as the position he plays
Colston kind of has the build of a TE, too
He’s a big, physical receiver with good hands. He’s got the height and the strength to really make plays in the end zone, and a QB who can put it in the just the right spot where only he can come down with it. If you guys are having trouble defending TE’s, Colston might not be a great matchup for you.
Interestingly enough, when Colston was a virtual unknown coming out of the 7th round, pretty much only people who watched Saint’s preseason games knew he could be good. At the time, people weren’t entirely sure whether he was going to be a receiver or a tight end though. I snatched him with the last pick in one of my fantasy drafts that year and was surprised to see that he was listed as a WR/TE, meaning I could start him at either position. I can’t remember what website we were using (maybe Yahoo?) but they didn’t change his status all year. I ended up having a starting wide receiver for a team filling in my tight end spot all year and ended up winning my league because of it!
by TheBobLoblawBlog on Sep 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree. He might have a good game, but I’m not worried about him like I am with Reggie Bush killing us with short catches or Drew Brees having all day to dissect our defense. As crazy as it might sound, I’m more concerned that Sedrick Ellis makes it tough for Buffalo to run the ball than I am about Shockey.
I’d say that Bush, Thomas, Colston, Meacham, Henderson, and Bell/Moore (if they play) would all be ahead of Shockey on my list of concerns.
I think we’ll be able to run the ball against them. Maybe not as well as against TB, but still effectively.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
He had two TDs last week didn’t he?
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 24, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So what
Having watched that guy play for years now, I don’t see anything to worry about.
2 TD’s against Detroit doesn’t exactly strike the fear of God in me, and I’m sure the Bills feel the same way.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I’m not trembling. Just saying he isn’t washed up. The Bills have given up more TDs to tight ends than to any other position.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 24, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Shockey is not washed up
After watching him last year, when a lot of us thought he was washed up and Payton had made a big mistake, it’s readily apparent to most Saints fans that this year’s Shockey is radically different. He’s been a very important player so far, in both the passing game and the running game. If he’s healthy, he can still kill you.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
Yeah, if we can just keep him off Bourbon Street, the sky's the limit.
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by Tigernut on Sep 25, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Because our inability to stop TEs has been exposed
Who is the better TE, Shockey or Watson? And we know what Watson did to us.
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
your fear is misplaced
dont think that you can control our offense by containing colston or shockey or bush or any of the other weapons we have. it all starts with brees… he will get it to whoever is open.
by DrewBreesManCrush on Sep 24, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
He's got the long hair already...
all he needs now is a beard and he’ll start walking on water and turning water into wine too.
He’s ridiculously good, but not unstoppable.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 24, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Breesus is risen.
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by Dave Cariello on Sep 24, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
TOUCHE.
good parry.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 24, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by J2 on Sep 24, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Didja ever notice...
…that Brees turned into a markedly different quarterback when he was sent to a team that wears his college colors? Maybe he thinks New Orleans is just a warmer version of Lafayette…
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
Amen!
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by Tigernut on Sep 25, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions

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