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The Buffalo Bills were bad at the defensive end position in 2008.  Aaron Schobel was lost for most of the season with a foot injury, and reserves such as Chris Ellis (who saw very limited action) and the now-departed Copeland Bryan were not able to keep starters Ryan Denney and Chris Kelsay fresh.  With that in mind, Buffalo used its first-round selection in this past April's NFL Draft on Penn State end Aaron Maybin.  With Schobel's return to health, the Bills would once again have depth at the position.

Through two games, that depth has been apparent - Bills ends are staying fresh into the fourth quarter, and though their production has not yet hit a point where they're revered league-wide (by any means), they are a far more active group than they were in 2008.  That's a start - but clearly, it's not enough for a Bills defense that, based on the type of scheme they play, need as much pass rush from their front four as they can muster.

The "start" of the season is over.  In case you hadn't heard, Drew Brees and his high-scoring New Orleans Saints are coming to town, and if the Bills are to pick up a win, they'll need to show at least a small degree of competency in slowing that offense down.  These Bills defensive ends have a tall task ahead of them on Sunday, as Buffalo's No. 28-ranked defense tries to slow down a team putting up 46 points per game.

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Bills ends through two games
Health and energy only get you so far in this league.  Through two games, Buffalo's ends have picked up two sacks (one each to Schobel and Denney) and an interception return for a touchdown (from Schobel).  The top four ends - Schobel, Kelsay, Denney and Maybin - have combined for 11 tackles in two games.

The low statistical output, particularly in the tackling department, isn't overly surprising - opposing teams have thrown over 100 passes in those two games, and while you'd like to see more sacks, certainly, the lack of tackles is hardly alarming.  If you're picking a word to describe the ends collectively rushing the passer, however, it's "inconsistent."  On the occasions when they're able to generate significant heat on the passer - and it's more often than most of us realize, by the way - the ball is generally out before the end has an opportunity to make an impact play.

Impact plays are needed from this defense.  They have come in the team's first two games despite any flashes of dominance from these defensive ends.  They'll be harder to come by with Brees on the field.

A quick glance at New Orleans
Over the past two seasons, Brees has been one of the least-sacked quarterbacks in the NFL.  In fact, he's thrown more interceptions (35) in those two seasons than he's been sacked (29 times).  Thus far this season, he's thrown two interceptions and been sacked twice.

New Orleans is currently playing without stud left tackle Jammal Brown, who is nursing a hip injury.  His backup, Jermon Bushrod, has performed admirably in his stead, however - just last week, he did a nice job against Eagles DE Trent Cole, although Cole did pick up his second sack of the season in the loss.  Right tackle Jon Stinchcomb is as solid as they come.  Getting to Brees is going to be difficult, most particularly because Brees is super-efficient reading defenses and getting rid of the football.

Sacks aren't likely on Sunday.  But Bushrod isn't proven to the point where it's impossible for the Bills to, at a minimum, fluster Brees and force him to make a mistake or two.  Considering Brees' strengths, a heavy dose of blitzing, such as we saw the Bills employ against Tampa Bay, is not likely.  But we can't get away without getting some pressure on Brees.  It'll be on this healthy, fresh defensive end group to pick up their game.  Without steady play from this group, it could wind up being a totrurously long day in Orchard Park this Sunday.

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Agreed – Since I don’t get to see the games, can anyone tell me how Maybin is doing? All I have heard is that he usually runs around the tackle and is 5 yards from the play…

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by Ghetts on Sep 25, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He definitely has some work to do, but I don’t know anybody who expected anything else. I think a year of experience, a little bulking up and learning a few pass rushing moves will do him a world of good.

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by sireric on Sep 25, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll put it this way: i’d be surpirsed if he gets a sack this season…and happy. He’s not playing poorly necessarily, especially given he missed all of training camp.

He’s fairly invisible much of the time, but so was Mario Williams in season 1.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 25, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He will get a sack soon...

come on, just because he hasn’t knotched a sack in the first two games doesn’t mean isn’t doing all he can…let the game come to him, he will be fine…I am willing to bet his first sack will be of the strip/sack kind, with the QB not really being taken down, but with Schobel/Stroud/Williams coming up with the ball.

by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 25, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not saying he isn’t doing all he can. I was saying i’d be happy and surprised if he does get one. The Bills don’t exactly have a cake-walk schedule and he’s facing an uphill battle with 1 year of full-time (college) production and virtually no off-season work.

It will take time, but I envision his first sack coming when the QB has to roll out to his side. If he learns some moves to stunt in, then i’ll say the gloves are off!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 25, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he gets at least one at some point. The odds are in his favor of starting once this year in place of Kelsay or Schobel and in that case I would imagine he gets one.

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 26, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s looked pretty poor, and to be expected.

He doesn’t have any moves, so he’s trying to rely on a quick first step to beat OT’s. That doesn’t usually work at this level. He needs to develop actual pass rush moves before he ever generates much pressure. Hopefully, it comes soon…

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by Kurupt on Sep 25, 2009 2:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I remember Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila...

having 10 sacks or so in 2007 as a pass-rushing specialist, he didn’t have anything except a speed rush and it worked for him…I am not saying that Maybin doesn’t need to develop some counter-moves, because I believe he does and that evenutally he will. But he doesn’t look like he is playing poorly, he just isn’t getting it done at this point, but it is still extremely early in the season…

by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 25, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was a big KGB fan. I wish he wasn’t washed up and donned a Bills uniform.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 25, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He might not be playing poorly

But he’s not exactly playing well. He has looked almost overmatched as he hasn’t really even come close to getting pressure…

He’s got a long ways to go still

~K
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by Kurupt on Sep 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

100% Agree
He’s got a long ways to go still

by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 25, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Against Tampa Bay last week, on the 4th and 1 play where Whitner and Williams got the stop, Maybin shot the gap and actually got first contact in the backfield. Without his penetration into the backfield to slow down the back, Whitner would have made the tackle after the first down marker.

Also, Maybin was about to hit Brady, when Brady spun away into Schobel’s arms for Schobel’s sack in week 1 @ New England.

That’s two big plays in two weeks. I would hardly call that poor.

by crp2103 on Sep 26, 2009 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well technicly he didn’t get the big plays, Whitner and Schobel did. But that just goes to show that he’s a rooky and he’s still learning. Next year those two plays wiont get by him and he’ll be the one credited with the sacks; as opposed to simply slowing down the QB or RB.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Sep 26, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay - a little break from the seriousness that is this weekend's matchup...

Does it look to anyone else here like Aaron Schobel is dancing a jig to “Cotton-Eyed Joe?”

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 25, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

LOL. Thats hysterical

by Zumone on Sep 25, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

he isn’t ?

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by billsoferie on Sep 25, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO!

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by CanadianBillsFan on Sep 26, 2009 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possible solution?

Seems to me that if we started playing more bump and run coverage the ball might not come out so quick. I think we have the athletes to do it and it could allow for some more pressure. I could be wrong but it appears the Bills strategy on D is to play off the receivers by at least 5 yards, which is so frustrating.

by NickinRoc on Sep 25, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree

McKelvin at times looks like he is afraid the receiver might touch him in a bad place if he gets too close…

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by Sluss88 on Sep 25, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because generally they don’t want to give up the long ball over the top. It’s risk-reward. Yes you might get more pressure but if you don’t you’re screwed.

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 26, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybin

Maybin has been manhandled often by much larger offensive linemen from what I’ve observed in the first two games. It seems obvious to me that the defense would be best served by moving him all over the defensive front 6 or 7, as a roving linebacker. He would be much more difficult to account for on passing downs.

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by ChipShot on Sep 25, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe would not produce great results as a LBer, and the team can’t afford to give up a traditional LB spot just so he can rush from the position. In a 3-4 it might be different, i’d say.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 25, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve seen Maybin rush standing up. I’ve seen Schobel and even Kelsay doing it more, though. All the ends did this to some degree against TB – hell, so did Kyle Williams.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 25, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you said hell

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by taskersd on Sep 25, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well i’ve been going back and forth on how to play this team. It obviously isn’t going to be easy but this article I think about sums up how this game is going to go – it’s going to be on the ends to provide pressure alone.

I expect Buffalo to sit in their shell and make Brees beat them – which means that the ends must hassle Brees all day. Consistent pressure is definately in the formula for a W. Sacks are not a must – but hitting him and collapsing the pocket on him are a must. If the ends can do this I think we’ll have a better chance.

It is a stiff test – if ever there was a time for our #1 pick to step up – Sunday would be the day.

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by J2 on Sep 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Furthermore, for ALL the team’s 1st round picks to step up. They seemed to do it in KC last year (not that it was needed). They need a repeat of last season’s KC score-fest for me to feel confident they’ll match wits with ’Nola.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 25, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

totrurously?

i’m looking forward to what they can do this weekend. i hope that our newer guys can step it up.

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by the_prophet on Sep 25, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3 sacks in 100 passes just doesn’t cut it. Two of those were coverage sacks against TB where they barely lost any yardage. We’re on pace for another pathetic 24 sack season. That can’t continue if we’re going to be successful going forward.

Part of it is the DB’s allowing all the short and underneath stuff so easily, but most of it is still our DE’s being unable to generate any pressure on their own. We’ll get a pressure here and there, but that’s nowhere near enough. We need to clamp down on allowing the easy, quick completions and hope that helps the pass rush. We wanted a more aggressive, attacking defense. Let’s see them try to make that happen at least.

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by Kurupt on Sep 25, 2009 2:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

We wanted a more aggressive, attacking defense. Let’s see them try to make that happen at least

To me – it seems like we’re going to have to go above and beyond to beat these guys. I think that should be our strategy this week. let them play balls to the wall

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by J2 on Sep 25, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree that blitzing gives the Bills the best chance to win. The team just doesn’t get the finish to the blitz often enough. I think they should dial down their standard blitz package this week and perhaps install some different, exotic ones.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 25, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

never said blitzing

I’m thinking about making the DB and LB play bump and run, play physical ball. Make the DE’s try to get upfield and attack more instead of worrying so much about the run – take the fight to them. but blitzing should obviously be sprinkled in

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by J2 on Sep 25, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ellis v. Maybin

I feel Ellis is a better player than Maybin today. Probably won’t be by the end of the season but I wouldn’t be completely shocked if Maybin is inactive one of these next 3 games.

by Berg79 on Sep 25, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would. Ellis has a year in the system, but Maybin has the talent to make things happen on a purely physical level. Ellis does not. Ellis, to me, is a younger, quicker Kelsay.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 25, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not as down on Maybin as most of you

I’ve like what I’ve seen and his biggest problem appears to be getting pushed way too far outside. With Bell out, Thomas hurt, and Reggie not a bang em up rusher I think the Fewell should play Maybin more this game. Maybin is clearly not a run defender yet, but his first step is amazing on the pass rush. Brees throw a ton anyway but without any solid backs we will see them take it to the air more. Jermon Bushrod should be our target, I don’t care if he preformed admirably against Cole or not – hes still Jermon Bushrod. Lets throw Maybin at him and see how quick he is. Lets throw Schobel at him and test his technique. Lets use Maybin more than usual this game.

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by poz on Sep 25, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

maybin

it’s like maybin is the pitcher from bull durham that keep’s saying “he hasn’t seen my heat!” it’s the same speed move around the outside that the tackle almost baits him into. often at the end of the play maybin is 5+ yards behind the quarterback. he’s gotta get a counter move even if it’s only to put it in the back of the lineman’s head.

by LIBi on Sep 25, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One dimensional if he wasn’t a 1st rd pick he would be on the PS practicing everyday you can tell that holdout hurt him maybe if he would have came to camp on time he would have had a chance to develop a couple other moves….I can’t wait for a rookie salary cap just to get them into camp on time

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by Moe_frm_B_ on Sep 25, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if he wasn’t a 1st rd pick he would be on the PS practicing everyday

His first step is enough to keep him on the active roster, first round pick or not.

Plus most rookie pass rushers, camp hold outs or not, don’t have great moves and rarely do that great in their first year.

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 26, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

man i wish this game was on tonight. cant wait. for some reason, i enjoy night games more than morning or noon games. i think we have a good shot at winning this.

by chaucer on Sep 25, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Morning games? You must be a left-coaster…

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by Kurupt on Sep 25, 2009 11:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

If the Bills manage to make the playoffs this year, I believe I speak for the male contingent of us when I humbly say: we’ll each gladly be facing a stiff challenge every day of that week when we wake up.

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by Dyl on Sep 26, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

…all righty then. Anyway, McCargo, hurt again!? I was really hoping for a Cinderalla story from this guy. I suppose it’s still possible, but I might be alone on that by now.I mean Marv has had some great picks so far…

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Sep 26, 2009 4:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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