Bills lack scoring punch in loss to Saints
by MattRichWarren on Sep 27, 2009 7:14 PM EDT
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PrintThe Buffalo Bills' offense had been clicking through two weeks, scoring the second-most points in the AFC. The Bills' defense ranked No. 31 in league in pass defense and had given up over 700 yards in two games. This afternoon against the New Orleans Saints, the defense held its own against the vaunted Saints attack led by Drew Brees, while the offense fell flat in a 27-7 loss at Ralph Wilson Stadium.
Buffalo's defense held the Saints to only ten points in the first 50 minutes of this contest. Three of those were gift-wrapped by a Roscoe Parrish punt return fumble that placed New Orleans inside field goal range. Chris Kelsay and Aaron Schobel each had a sack (seriously), with Schobel forcing and recovering a fumble on his sack of Brees. The offense was out of sorts (to say the least), but the team put seven points on the board when Brian Moorman his Ryan Denney for a touchdown on a fake field goal. Despite the lack of scoring in the first half, Trent Edwards (104) and Brian Moorman (25) combined for more yards than Brees (114) and the Bills were only trailing 10-7.
In the second half, the Bills' struggles on offense continued and Buffalo failed to score. Constantly playing from behind, Buffalo never got into an offensive rhythm. Terrell Owens went without a catch for the first time in 186 games, and the offense failed to score a point for the first time under offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt. The defense eventually folded, allowing two late rushing touchdowns, but were hurrying Brees all night, holding him under 200 yards passing for the first time since Week 13 of the 2007 season.
Brian will have a recap tonight or in the morning. Leave your postgame thoughts here.
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The defense played really well tonight. They need to get some props. There were a couple times they couldn’t get off the field but they did a great job.
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Brees didnt get a TD pass
held under 200 yards……..
defense was VERY VERY VERY impressive.
"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)
by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 27, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Pass D was impressive
very impressive
Run D was pretty atrocious all day. Reggie friggin Bush had 5 ypc.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
27 points isn’t great in my book.
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I said it over in the GDT and I'll say it again here........
Im fairly certain most realistically believe the Bills would be 1-2 at this point…….and here we are…
So im not to bummed.
I wish the offense would have played better………the defense played WELL BEYOND my expectations……and there’s a game next week.
So thats where we stand.
"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)
by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 27, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions
Excellent perspective. I agree with everything yo usaid.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 27, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
So because you expected failure, everything is o.k.? You must have low standards.
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree with your way of thinking
The Bills offense should worry you right now. They scored ZERO. Count them Zero points against the Saints. Not exactly one of the top defenses in the NFL. Trent Edwards looked TERRIBLE out there. And if I remember correctly, many Bills fans think the fate of our season rides on him.
Your saying because we should have lost you’re not bummed? Are you a Bills fan? Bills fans get bummed when the Bills lose. End of discussion.
by buffaloboy90 on Sep 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Furthermore
We they way we lost to the Saints should bum you.
Our offense should have done well and it didn’t.
by buffaloboy90 on Sep 27, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you a Bills fan? Bills fans get bummed when the Bills lose. End of discussion.
Questioning another fan about his fanhood and implying that he isn’t a real fan because he doesn’t get all pissed off isn’t cool IMHO. Should he go vandalize Trent’s house now?
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
I know you are kidding, but let's not give anyone ideas :-)
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
Well really it’s like if a guy doesn’t straggle his cat, burn down a church, set fire to someone’s car, or stab a complete stranger in the neck with a pencil, he isn’t a real fan after a loss. it’s just silly and questioning someone like that is pretty weak. Just because he doesn’t take the loss as hard as you do doesn’t mean he isn’t a real fan.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
agreed. I am surprising calm after this loss
Maybe it was because I didn’t really expect us to win?
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
game next week?
The Bills are gonna run out of “games next week”. The offense was horrible today. I find it very hard to believe that 2 of the best WR’s in the game were totally covered all game long. Where were the long passes to Lee Evans that the offense has been known for? Why is T.O. only thrown to 4 times in a game that you needed offensive firepower to match up with N.O.? Checkdowns to RB’s all game or to TE’s who can’t catch anyways, are not going to work anymore. OPEN IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After three games? It’s a little premature.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 27, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Why, he couldn’t coach his way out of a wet paper bag!!!!!!!
by overseasbillsfan on Sep 27, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
because it wouldn't do anything except cheer up the fans.
give edwards and jauron the rest of the season…it’s not like giving up on one or both at this point would help anything.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
after three games,
we have a new no huddle, a tampa 2 defense and terrell owens. Owens through three games has 2 catches for 98 yards. You fire him now.
Wait a sec… it’s not like it’s Jauron’s fault T.O. hasn’t caught the ball or Trent has misfired. They have had letdowns, sure, but I don’t think that coaching has been the main reason for our losses this year.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 27, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
In general Matt, I would agree with you, but it sure seems like we just lack passion out there… It seemed like we were simply out coached today and Jauron has to take the credit / criticism if the offense doesn’t perform, since he fired the OC.
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHA
3 games?
It’s been 3 years plus 3 games, and it’s the same crap every season. Play scared, get outcoached, score no offensive TD’s, give up in the 4th Q….etc. This story has been written so many times under Jauron. It’s a sad time having a lame duck coach.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
It’s three games. He was retained for the year not “until the crap hits the fan”. I realize your frustration goes further back than three games but all this fire Jauron talk is knee jerk IMO.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not knee jerk though
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Sure it is. Nobody wanted him fired after the last game. If we lose it’s fire Jauron. When we win I never hear that.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It's been the same thing for 2 years now
It’s not knee jerk IMO. If people want to call for his head, there’s more than enough of a basis for it….Nobody is saying fire him because of one single game.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
The Saints were kind
At lest they held Pierre Thomas out of the first half? Kind of like a preseason game to them…
Jauron out.
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions
there is something depressing and soulless about this football team.
and every other Jauron football team i’ve ever watched.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
Perfectly true.
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I’d much rather have guys go crazy and lose their heads when it counts.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 27, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You would rather have some passion
by Posluszny Pollocks on Sep 27, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
They have passion though.
Poz missed an INT in the first preseason game and almost broke his hand hitting his helmet. Whitner was holding back tears after the MNF loss. Jauron has been on the officials all year showing passion. The zombie crap is ridiculous.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s called motivation. their all getting paid, win or lose. maybe a little fire would motivate guys to put in a better effort. jauron would be no less effective if he called the game from his living room couch, he’s just a frozen fixture on the sideline
most of my posts get deleted :(
Honestly, that’s just absolutely inane. So a guy like Eric Wood is a first round pick, getting paid millions of dollars to play a game he loves, and is presumably a pretty competetive guy, but unless his coaches yell at him, he’s not going to try his hardest out there? If only Jauron chewed out Trent on the sideline, then he’d somehow have more time in the pocket and be more accurate on his passes? Jeez.
There are a host of reasons Jauron will need to go at the end of the season, but this persistent gripe about his sideline demeanor being the reason for Bills’ losses is just embarrassingly foolish.
by Future Considerations on Sep 27, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sometimes a little emotion goes a long way…
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, take it to the extreme, right?
A coach with a little passion will rub off on a team. Watching the Bills fall behind in games and the sidelines go completely numb, you know they aren’t coming back.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
And now who is taking it to the extreme?
You’re implying he doesn’t show passion which is obviously not true. He has shown it on his face during games, moreso this year than in the past. And do you think he lets mistakes go without ever talking to guys? That’s absurd.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't say any of that....
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Yes you did. You said “a coach with little passion will rub off on a team.” In the context of the conversation about Jauron that implies that the team plays without passion and the coach doesn’t show passion. Both are clearly untrue. Now if that’s not what you meant by all means explain but that’s sure how it came across.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
His team falls behind and he shows no passion….I didn’t say he has no passion whatsoever. Sometimes when your team needs a kick in the pants during a game, the head man has to do it. How often do we see that? But that’s not really the point. Jauron isn’t going to change and we shouldn’t expect him to.
And I definitely never said he lets mistakes go without ever talking to guys.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Jauron.
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
and don’t say Bobby April. Have you seen how bad the special teams have been overall??
A true Bills fan gets up in the middle of the night to watch the games!!
by overseasbillsfan on Sep 27, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
One play doth not make a coach!!
A true Bills fan gets up in the middle of the night to watch the games!!
by overseasbillsfan on Sep 27, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
his units have stunk thus far.
but he’s been a great coach for his entire career here.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
i don't think it's a good idea to dump him midseason.
it’s not like dumping him now gives us a better shot at a gruden or something. and firing him is definitely a white flag.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
you don’t honestly think ralph will spend money for a real head coach, do you?
most of my posts get deleted :(
He ahs NEVER spent money on an established coach. Marv failed in his first HC job and I think Buster was the only winning coach he ever hired.
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by overseasbillsfan on Sep 27, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
ralph is too cheap to even hire a real G.M., no way he pays for a premier HC, no way.
most of my posts get deleted :(
This HC stuff is BS! Sean Payton is making less than Jauron probably because he is a first time coach. Mike Tomlin, Tony Sprano, Rex Ryan… all first time head coaches and making around the same as our head coach.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 27, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, he HAS spent money on an established coach in the past
Guys by the name of Chuck Knox and Wade Phillips immediately come to mind….not to mention a former Chiefs head coach who was around the .500 mark when he was signed.
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John Rauch.....
…..was 33-8-1 when Ralph hired him
by Gino Parilli on Sep 27, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Gruden.
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions
they need somebody who can be a one man show
Marty can do it. so can Gruden.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
won't come here.
he’ll have his pick of the litter.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
but he'd be in buffalo.
with an owner who won’t give him full control or a real salary.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
Gruden has season tix to the Bills games… he wants to be here… Runs the Tampa 2 as well!!!!!
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Pathetic!
I say bench Edwards Now and get ANYONE to replace him next weekend before he completely blows the season. he is just not ever gonna have the balls to throw downfield. This is the first game in 12 YEARS that T.O. hasn’t had a catch! Absolutely disgusting.
I don’t know if that was Edwards or poor coaching/play-calling… I don’t judge that well.
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
In the first two games he was the highest rated passer in the AFC and now he is benched… unbelievable. Guys have bad gams you know.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 27, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
he is just not ever gonna have the balls to throw downfield.
Did you watch last week when the he hit Lee for 32 and T.O. for 43? if those aren’t down field then I don’t know what is. Perhaps you should watch the games if you are going to make these kind of comments.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
He’s hesitant to go downfield unless it’s his first option. How often have we ever seen Edwards throw it downfield after looking off his first receiver? If it’s not there, he seems to panic and either checks down or holds it too long. Maybe panic isn’t the right word there, but he definitely seems to lose a little composure….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
True, but saying that he doesn’t do it all just isn’t correct.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
True enough
but the hesitation is still definitely there, and I’m not just talking about throwing it deep. There’s no way that we don’t have receivers open 10+ yards downfield every week. Where are the intermediate throws and the passes over the middle???
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
im a little angry, but not too upset
if that makes sense. This was probably are toughest challenge of the year and our defense played out of this world stuffing the Saints over and over again despite being put in horrible field position and never getting a rest because of our offense.
I’m angry because that was the most abysmal offensive performance I have seen in a long, long, long time:
- Lets face it, without Brad Butler our offensive line is in shambles. We are holding on a regular basis and Trent has absolutely zero time to do anything.
- What is Geoff Hangartner’s problem with snapping the ball? I counted at least 7 low snaps. 7!
- Why are we not throwing to TO and Lee down the field until we are out of the game? Even then we didn’t. I know Trent has zero time but lets fix this, its unacceptable not to use our two best weapons.
- T.O. stops trying on routes way too much and I’m tired already of his block hands. Come on T.O. Be our leader!
- Play calling AVP? You were looking good first two games then you fall flat on your face.
Hideous offensive performance, brilliant defense. Let’s get ready for the Dolphins, its a must win.
We got your back Leodis!
the preseason means nothing
as evidenced by our offense in the first two games. Losing Butler makes a big difference. I disagree that Butler wouldn’t have helped.
We got your back Leodis!
Let's see Trent throw him a good ball.
He didn’t today. Not once.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
never said Butler would have made the difference on offense
I said our o-line is in shambles without him which it is. We are holding so much.
We got your back Leodis!
T.O. is playing the same way he has for the last 5 years
he just agreed to cut is tongue out. Jauron has it stuck up his ……..
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
He has 3.
Same number as Fred, assuming he didn’t drop any today. Same number as Steve Smith and Andre Johnson. Assuming the same thing.
by twoeightnine on Sep 27, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but all that to me leads me into dispair… I really wanted to BILLeieve we would make the playoffs this year. It KILLS me to watch the Jets win. Why can’t that be us… Oh yeah because of our HOF owner and lack of a true GM!
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Look....if Fitz can play better, is that really what you want?
Is Fitz going to be a franchise QB? I don’t see him as an upgrade. If we are going to suffer through another season, it might as well be with Trent.
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
Fire Jauron
Yeah, I’m there. Punting on 4th and 1 so you can go for it on 4th and 23 is a terrible strategy at any level of the game. One fake field goal doesn’t make up for the gutless, undisciplined play the offense put up today. No one on the offense looked prepared to play today, to say nothing of prepared for what Gregg Williams threw at them.
This is another game the Bills could have won. The defense held up their end of the bargain, but you could tell they were all gassed at the end. The offense had three quarters to help them out and did NOTHING. Team preparation is the responsiblity of the head coach and continues to be Buffalo’s flaw. This team has the talent to be 3-0 and we are not. The only thing more disgraceful than that is the play on the field today.
I am not advocating firing Jauron now, since it gains us nothing, but he CANNOT be the coach of this team next year. His coaching style does not fit the NFL as it stands today. Whether he is unable or unwilling to adjust, I’m not able to say, but we know what we’re getting with him, and it’s not enough. This team needs a coach that can maximize its talent, not stifle it.
by Mark Parisi on Sep 27, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Jauron would OWN at a mid-major or lower BCS college school.
I would guarantee it.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 27, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he does it rather than go be a coordinator.
i love when pro coaches go do the pete carroll kinda move.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
Well said...rec'd
Exactly how I’ve felt about Jauron for a few years now. He doesn’t have the team totally prepared for the better teams, doesn’t show the ability to make crucial in game adjustments, and doesn’t inspire much attitude in his teams. I’m sick of the gutless, play not to lose mentality he rolls with. I really thought for sure he would be going balls to the wall this season. Instead, we see a semi-gutsy call here and there, but in the end the team still folds up like a tent against any team that won’t be picking in the top 10 of the draft….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
we see a semi-gutsy call here and there
I mean, the fake FG was a great call, and executed perfectly. I was at the bar watching the game saying to myself, “We CAN play with these guys!”
I can’t even imagine how the sideline felt… probably way more pumped up. And then to not even try when the game is on the line? Ultra deflating.
I don’t want a coach who makes decisions like he’s playing Madden, but sometimes you just have to say, “Damn the torpedoes!” I thought with nothing left to lose, Jauron would be capable of that, but I guess a leopard doesn’t change its spots.
by Mark Parisi on Sep 28, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Seems like Jauron coached the first two games like he was playing for his job.
I think he was pleased with the performance and got complacent in this game. no sense of desperation.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
ding ding ding ding ding
we have a winner
“you know, new orleans, they’re a good team, with a good QB”
blah blah blah…. gutless 4th and 1. Gutless saving of his timeouts when it was 3rd and 20. blah blah blah
This offense is pathetic
and will continue to be so as long at the no huddle is featured in the playbook. Edwards cannot properly attack a 3-4. I am so frustrated with this team.
Punting at the very end of the game?!
Hangartner?!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 27, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions
no huddle
is not the problem. not from waht I see.
Unless they’re having issues relaying the play calls along the line or the defense keying in on any of the audibles, then i’d have an issue.
I’m still flabbergasted by the passing in shotgun and running when under center. Almost 80% of the time… and most audibles are runs….
Most plays are runs or throws to the TE. I still think the no-huddle is giving Edwards too much opportunity to opt out of the less safe throws. Until I see otherwise, i’m going to call it that way. If it continues, they should just put Evans and Owens in at TE.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 27, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The offense was very good in the first two games including against a 3-4 look. Don’t knee jerk this.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 27, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would most people here agree
that next week’s game will really tell us where we are? Would those who are not discouraged right now be discouraged if we look bad NEXT Sunday?
yes of course
next Sunday will define this season for me. If we lose forget it.
We got your back Leodis!
Jauron is fine.
How many of these games do we have to see from Trent before you guys get it? It’s like groundhog day after day after day with this guy. He is absolutely incapable of hitting a guy in stride unless he is going down the sideline and he has only done that about four times in two years. He looks to see if his wideouts are wide open half a second after the snap and if they aren’t, which of course they won’t be, he looks 3 yards down field. How many years of this garbage can you guys take? Blaming Jauron for todays game is just stupid. They were only up by three in the 4th quarter and we gave them those points on a turnover.
Makes sense....because Trent decides whether to punt on 4th, right?
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
really?
i get that TE had a bad game. which happens from time to time. but that loss is on the coaches, TE and both lines. blame for losing a game hardly ever rests on one person
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 27, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t agree that the DL should share blame for this loss. They did their jobs well; they were simply worn out at the end of the game. The fault for that lies with the offense as well. Human endurance has its limits.
This is why I think the no-huddle isn’t working. That line is so damned beat by the 4th quarter that if the offense can’t put up 30 points, they’re going to continue getting beat into submission.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 27, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought we had a rotation to prevent that, but it sure doesn’t seem like it’s working. TOP was only 7 minutes in favor of NO, but their DL was swarming at the end and ours was chugging. That was the difference in this game. If our offense had scored some points, Shobel and Kelsay(!) would have been teeing off on Brees.
In specifics, how does the no huddle hurt the defense? The offense takes as much time off the clock in the no huddle as they do when they huddle. The Bills need an offense that gets more first downs and runs more plays, not goes slower.
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The offense didn’t sustain drive. Huddle or not that is the undoing.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
OK Back to work
I am lucky enough to be employed right now, so I have to get back to work (something hopefully the Bills do starting NOW). So I will just say peace and move on. In my inebriated state, something could not be more lucid. We need to establish a winning mentality around OBD! I think that is my issue with Jauron, not having a GM, etc.
I hope Mr. Wilson realizes this before it is too late, let’s be honest, not that much time. We have talent, we need more. We need more depth, we need more experienced veterans, with winning experience.
Let’s start the rebuilding now. Out with Jauron, in with a new head coach whom plays like he has a hot poker up his rear (Gruden). We NEED a leader for this young team, a battle sargent!
I will love you tomorrow Bills, but today I love-you-not!
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by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions
TO's presser
TO was brought in to bring the team up to his confidence level…his swagger.
We’ve dragged TO down to buffalo level, no confidence… no swagger.
I say trade TO… as pivotal as he is (and he absolutely is 100%) to our offense, we’ve shown no use of him. We’ve ruined his record. We should…gulp… trade him and get whatever we can and return hardy to the outside. I’m sure some team out there would be willing to pay for him. Somebody doing well. Maybe the Jets… somebody in need of a WR.
It’s getting a little upsetting. I understand using him as a decoy for one game… okay two… but THREE?!?!? He’s not a part of the offense and he looks bored running routes without any shake’n’bake. He’s just going through the motions… he…gulp… deserves better.
I haven't given up yet
Just sick of seeing performances like this and heartbreaking losses. Hard to believe it will change next week after seeing this crap for the last several seasons, but this is just the life of being a Bills fan.
very true
remember when the bills went 0-3 and still made the playoffs?? and remember when they went 3-0 and didnt?? anything can happen, still early
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 27, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
hangs head low i really am starting to hate trent edwrds to really bug me…under presser the man is a mess….we cant use TO if u over throw the man all the time get ur life together…they can only hold guys off for so long think fast and smart in the pocket and shot the bullet!
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He got away from a blitz early in the game and threw a strike to Reed. He knows how to avoid pressure and he has done it. Even Brees can’t do that every snap.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 27, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The team takes on the personality of the coach
Dick (I think the name fits him) plays not to lose. He has no confidence in his players and because of that they have no confidence in him. Any blitz, trick play or gamble comes from his asst. coaches, not him.
He’s described as cerebral but he has no passion and it shows. He needs to go NOW, and please don’t reply it’s early in the season. We’ve been through years of his crap…it’s time to move on before he destroys this young teams minds.
defense played well
TE took a step back, Coaching was horrible, o line still needs work as well as the d line. its the same script after each loss! ugh. i just wish things would be different.
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Wow, reading you guys overreact to one game in which a lot of the team played well is much more frustrating than actually watching this team play. If I had read this and hadn’t watching the game, I would have assumed Jauron had a series of gaffes and the team got outplayed all game.
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Last I knew, everyone other than Fred Jackson dropped a fart on the field against the 29th ranked defense.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 27, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the DL played pretty well. The secondary had a solid game. Josh Reed showed why he needs to be on the field. The punt unit was good. I think that if Edwards plays better (and maybe if the OL is better than Trent does play better), it’s a game that Buffalo easily could have one. The Bills were down three points and NO was punting the ball to us when the 4th quarter started. It couldn’t have been that bad.
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Do you think the reaction here is due to one game or even one season?
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All we can worry about is the here and now. Getting pissed based on how last season or the season before that played out doesn’t make sense IMHO.
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I am just saying that history repeats itself and a leapord doesn't change its spots
That was a critical call at a critical point in the game. Calls like that could be the difference between winning and losing. Why punt in that situation? IMO, that was Jauron falling back into playing to keep it close mode instead of playing to win.
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Maybe it was a bad call, but how many coaches are really going for it inside their own 30 with almost 8 minutes left in the game?
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I guess it depends
Given we need two scores to win and our D was getting tired, I would have gone for it.
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I’m not sure what I would have done. And it might have been a bad call and it definitely embodies the issues that fans have with Jauron. But I don’t think it was a decision that really deserves fans getting too upset about.
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I agree that you can't get to upset, but
when Jauron does stuff like that, it re-opens old wounds.
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Well, of course, the fact that the Saints scored and the team was forced to go for it on 4th and 23 on the next series makes it a bad call — but a head coach doesn’t have the luxury of hindsight. What bothers me is not the call so much (though I would have gone for it,) but that it’s part of a larger pattern. It’s the harbinger of 7-9.
by Mark Parisi on Sep 27, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The Patriots went for it on 4th and short from their own 25 yard line today…and got the 1st down. That’s a confident coach though.
by StroudFanClub on Sep 27, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It was 4th and less than 1, and you were playing against the best O in the league. You don’t want to punt to them and hope your gassed D can force a 3 and out.
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I agree.
That was an easy go for it call IMO.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s true and a good point. I just find it a little ridiculous when people are calling for Jauron’s head and ripping his coaching decisions when his two worst moves this season have been not telling McKelvin not to fumble the ball and not going for it on 4th down on their own 30 yard line with 7:30 minutes left.
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Best comment ever. So agonizingly accurate.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Did the land mass of Buffalo slide into Lake Erie this evening? This thread is negative out the yang!
Our defense hung with the best offense in football for 3 quarters. And our own sloppiness beat us more than the Saints did. We play listless Miami and Cleveland teams next. I don’t like Jauron either, but sheesh!
This thread is why I stay away from the post-game comments, in general, and stick with the draft stuff. At least until they reopen the steel plant and eveyone is happy again. : )
let’s hope we can get to 3-2, then.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
By the way, did anyone see T.O.
on the NBC pre-game show about 20 minutes ago? The announcers all remarked what an ass he was.
no – only Rodney Harrison made that type of comment. Dungy said you don’t like to see that, but it’s what you get with TO.
I think NBC should fire Harrison for calling Owens a joker and only caring about stats.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 27, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He called him a clown and everything. Harrison is such a dbag.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
You can see what everyone said in the links today or just go check out Tim Graham’s blog.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
The punt.
Weren’t there about 6 minutes left in the game when they punted? I would have done the same as I seriously thought the D had every bit if not a better chance of scoring than the O did at that point. With any luck T.O. should have Trent crying like a baby right about now.
How ’bout that punt with 1:23 left?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 27, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The time left doesn’t matter. NO went for it on 4th twice before that with more time left on the clock. It was a gutless call, and it put the game out of reach.
And why choose to end the game with the defense on the field? New Orleans would have simply knelt down if Buffalo didn’t convert at the end of the game. Stats don’t matter, but going down fighting does. This team didn’t do that today.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 27, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t understand the decisions there. If there was no faith that the offense could convert a 4th and 1, what did they think was going to happen on 4th and 23? Trent played like a toilet after a Cinco de Mayo party today, but I don’t think the play calling or the decision making put him in a position to succeed. No QB is has a chance on 4th and 23.
As soon as I saw the punt team on for that 4th and 1, I asked for my check. I stayed for the whole game because this franchise taught me never to give up, but I’ve seen enough of Jauron’s coaching to recognize the “roll over and give up” punt when I see it.
Yeah, so they:
punted with 7 minutes lieft in the game and only needed 1 yard
Went for it on 4th and 23 and ran a check down screen
punted on 4th and (somewhat) long with 1:23 left
Do I have this correct?
One other observation I have to make…
When Josh Reed is your leading receiver, it means you’re not scoring points. (Yes, I like Reed – but he’s not known for his endzone work.)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 27, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You should know that New Orleans goes for it on fourth down because their kicker, John Carney, is older than the NFL itself and can’t kick long field goals. If they had a real NFL kicker, that point wouldn’t exist.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
New Orleans went for it on 4th from like their own 45 yard line. I don’t get your point.
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They went for it on 4th more than once, my friend. Second drive of the game, I believe, they went for it on 4th from around the Bills’ 30 yard-line. Normal NFL teams kick the field goal there.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yes but the fact remains they went for it from near where the bills chose to punt from, while in the lead no less. weak footed kicker isn’t the diff, play calling is.
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I’ve already gone on record several times as saying that I believe the Bills should have gone for it on that particular play. I felt that the Saints’ apparent confidence on 4th down needed a bit of clarity – wasn’t trying to make excuses, just quantify some of their decision-making.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The Lemmings are lining up.
I knew I would come home and read a bunch of stuff like this. Should we as fans be happy about the fact that we are 1-2 right now? No. But everyone who is saying things like: “Fire Jauron!”, and “Bench Trent!” are guys who obviously haven’t been paying attention. Trent has played great the first two games and yes he DID THROW DOWN THE FIELD. Last week vs the Bucs he had not one but two deep TD tosses, one each to T.O., and Evans, so saying that he doesn’t do it is completely inaccurate. And if you think that Jauron isn’t getting the whole year you’re delusional.
Fact is that if the Bills win their next two games, @Miami (possibly without Pennington) and home for Cleveland, both of which are very winnable games, the Bills are 3-2 and right in it, and all this negativity isn’t here.
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by sireric on Sep 27, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Trent did throw down the field, but it wasn’t pretty this week. I hope they work on it alot this week. Miami is VERY susceptible to the deep pass.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 27, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Props to Sireric!
Rec’d.
Yes, I’m disappointed in the loss, but I think I’m more encouraged that the Bills were in this game for so very long.
Really my only true grievances with this game:
1.) “The punt”- This decision really seemed to deflate the defense, and can you blame them?
2.) Not getting Evans and TO more involved. If TO is going to be uninterested all season, we at least have to get Evans the touches necessary to have an impact on the game. These games where he has less than 3 catches are becoming the norm and I just hope we aren’t “wasting” such a talent by not focusing on getting him more involved.
Other than that, good game by the Bills. I thought the Defense played very well, and even our DE’s showed up! Gotta be encouraged by that!
by StroudFanClub on Sep 27, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I know we’re all fired up after losing a game we could have won, but just because I believe Jauron should be fired doesn’t mean I’m a lemming, and I have been paying attention.. I think this team has the talent to be 3-0 and I think our head coach is keeping them from reaching their potential with his decision-making. It’s not a knee-jerk reaction to one playcall I disagree with. It’s a belief after seeing the same things after three years that things aren’t going to change under his leadership.
No point in firing him this year, but this team needs a new coach next year, no matter how this season ends.
by Mark Parisi on Sep 27, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Some are always vocal, others only come out after a loss. That is the difference.
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I’ll give you that. The ones who only complain so they can say “I told you so” are incredibly frustrating.
by Mark Parisi on Sep 27, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Fact is that if the Bills win their next two games, @Miami (possibly without Pennington) and home for Cleveland, both of which are very winnable games, the Bills are 3-2 and right in it, and all this negativity isn’t here.
so we’re suppose to be happy when we beat sisters of the poor but not teams that are destined for .500 like NO and NE.
Even if they go 3-2 it doesn’t mean anything – last year we were 5-1 against who? Beating the Catholic School girls doesn’t inspire confidence – beating NO or NE would. To me – same old same old
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by J2 on Sep 28, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
You can be happy or sad about what ever you want. The fact is that by using the very same example that you gave (the 5-1 start from last year) we can prove that the fortunes of a season can turn on a dime, so to me it makes little sense to get all bent out of shape over a week 3 loss. In the end it is just one loss. If the Bills do win the next two they then go to New York to play what I have claimed for a while now is the best team in the division. Those two games could be good confidence builders going into that game.
But by all means feel free to dwell on the past……
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I’m not dwelling on the past – so to speak – but bringing up history of this team. we always beat the teams below .500. Am i suppose to feel better if we beat teams destined to be below .500 at 3-2?
I guess i’m happy record wise – but i also know that when we do face good teams – we don’t win. That’s my issue – is beating good teams. I want to beat these teams, BADLY, but we just don’t seem to.
that’s the problem i’m having through 3 weeks of the season, not the 1-2 record.
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I want to beat these teams, BADLY, but we just don’t seem to.
As do I, but I guess I just seem to realize that DJ isn’t going anywhere this year and drudging up all the stuff from the past few seasons is pointless.
We did beat the playoff bound Chargers last year…
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
We should expect to win the next few games
That’s the Dick Jauron era personified. Beat the crap teams, show no ability to beat good teams. Why should things change now?!?!
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Lots to talk about over the next couple of days. The only stats that matter:
- 2 turnovers
- 12 penalties for 116 yards
- 2/14 on third-down conversions offensively
Everything else – coaching decisions, the outstanding play from the defense and special teams – is pretty damned meaningless. New Orleans is a good team, but let’s not pretend the Bills didn’t beat themselves. They did.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions
12 penalties for 116 yards
EVERY special teams play had either a penalty or a fumble.
The offensive line is still young but is still taking dumb penalties.
When you give the Saints an extra 116 yards, you’re not going to win.
The “punt” and the penalties are what killed us this game, and no one’s talking about the penalties. Seriously, there’s got to be some conversation about the penalties being taken by the “best” special teams unit. I think April’s suffering from some severe employee turnover…i hope that’s the only problem.
Most of the crippling penalties were offensive, IMO. Wood had three bad ones. Edwards had a terrible grounding called on him (deservedly). Those were more critical than the ST ones, which obviously were bad themselves.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Who was number 70?
His number seemed to be called during CRIPPLING times.
But yes, the young offensive line was definitely hurting this game.
It was about time some opponent went right after them.
I worry about what happens when our team hits the “rookie wall” when we’re so dependant on those two up front.
70 is Wood
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Everything else – coaching decisions………is pretty damned meaningless.
The decision to punt with 7 min. left was a coach’s decision (Jauron’s), correct? Explain to be how punting in that situation is playing to win?
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I don’t need to, because I didn’t agree with that decision. Would have much rather seen Jauron go for it there, and I’ll say that every time – different philosophies. But that call had very little impact on the outcome of the game.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
that call had very little impact on the outcome of the game.
For me, that was the turning point in the game. Maybe it was coincidence, but the defense wasn’t the same after that. I know they were tired, but them seemed deflated after that. IMO, it sent the message the coaches had given up.
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by Joe P. on Sep 27, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For me, the turning point in the game was when we were in range for a tying FG and Trent tried to force a ball to T.O. and it was picked.
The D had already given up the big play on the ground before that decision by Dick. I didn’t like it because he literally took away an opportunity for the offense on a very makeable fourth down. But the flood gates were already opening defensively – Payton finally figured out that the ground game was the way to beat them. He just wore them down. The game was already on its way to getting out of hand, but despite the fact that I didn’t like the decision, I didn’t consider it anywhere near the turning point in the game, nor particularly relevant to the final outcome.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I missed that play when the link went down
When in the game did that happen?
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Roughly 2 minutes left in the third quarter.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you have a point , but
I still believed we could come back with 7 minutes left, down by 10pts. If the Bills make that 4th down and put together a nice long scoring drive, we are back to a one score game and the defense gets to rest.
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Like I said – I’d have gone for it, too. But I can only be slightly irritated that we didn’t, for all of the reasons that I’ve already explained. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
rec’d that pick was the turning point the punt was the nail in the coffin….
by evelazquez_83 on Sep 28, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian, I respect the hell out of you for even trying to be the voice of reason in a thread like this, but the Bills beating themselves — and they did, no argument — is the fault of the head coach. Mental mistakes, and preparedness in general, are his responsibility and trickle down from there. In a loss like this, coaching has to be discussed.
by Mark Parisi on Sep 27, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree to a point. But I also would like to point out how bad Special Teams have been to all of those who want Bobby April to take over if D.J. gets fired. Yes they got the only TD today but a Roscoe fumble set up another and they have been penalized constantly. I think it is the coaching staff as a whole, not just Jauron.
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So is it D.J’s? Roscoe plays Special Teams, turnovers on special teams should reflect on the Special Teams coach. At least a little. The ST haven’t been all that good this year yet everyone wants to promote April to HC. Seems odd to me.
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It is not April's or Jauron's fault Parrish fumbled.
that is not what he was saying, sireric. Also, I agree with you that pushing April to be the next HC does not make sense .
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the reason people push for April as HC is because he has a proven history of consistently being at or near the top of his profession, and Dick is proven to be a consistent loser.
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I love April as the ST coach
for reasons like the fake punt he called today. But, that does not mean he will be a good HC. Just as it doesn’t mean he can’t be a great HC. It is an unknown. I would rather bring in a known like Mike S. or Bill C.
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agreed. but he’s a great coach, period. OBD has shown nothing to suggest that they’ll ever pay for a premier HC. You can forget about Shanahan or Cowher as long as Ralph is still breathing. April may end up being the best option.
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And if he is...so be it. Maybe I like April to much to see him "promoted" to HC :-)
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Neither have the Saints or Steelers, BTW.
Bringing in big name coaches hardly works. Shanahan was a failure before going to Denver. Mike Tomlin and Bill Cowher were coordinators on their first job. Mike Singletary is doing a good job as a first time coach. Ditto Andy Reid. These guys were making what Jauron is making right now or less on their first contracts but did better. Bringing in some established head coach is not the answer. Rarely does it work. Like Marty, Parcells, and Dungy (who had Peyton Manning and left the offensive staff alone) are about it on that list.
Gruden went to Tampa and motivated them to a SB before losing the team the next year. How has Wade Phillips done? Norv Turner? Joe Gibbs? Big name does not always equal big results.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
that is not what he was saying, sireric.
I know it isn’t, but show me where I said that Roscoe fumbling was April’s fault. I was using it as a example of how ST has been underwhelming. Also if you are counting ST has had 3 fumbles. two by Leo and one by Roscoe. When you add in the 3 fumbles with the lack of return yardage, it equals mediocre to bad ST play. That is my point.
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Preparedness? They were prepared to play today. They held the Saints to 10 points in 50 minutes, for God’s sake – and I don’t think a fumbled punt or a tipped-pass INT are the fault of the coaching staff, either.
The penalties, I’d say, are a mix of coaching and youth. Coaching certainly isn’t blameless, but I am a firm believer that players win games, and coaches need to give them the opportunity to do so.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
players win games, and coaches need to give them the opportunity to do so.
Agreed, but something irritates the crap out of me about Jauron. His stoic nature makes me want to hit him with a jolt of electricity hoping to illicit some sort of reaction. I think he might not be the best man for the job. Someone needs to be kicking and screaming at these young players for screwing up (did you see Bobby April on the sidelines today!). These guys get paid A LOT of money, and shouldnt’ be making these mistakes. Yes, most of them are young, but they have been playing football for a while, they know better.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
LA perspective....
1] Down 10 pts on 4th & 1 with 7 minutes to go on your own 30, I believe you have to go for it and not punt.
2] T.O was very lazy on many plays that didn’t involve him.
3] Defense definitely deserves props.
4] No ‘moral’ victories, we should be 2-1 and not a ‘realistic’ 1-2.
by StandingBillFan on Sep 27, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
Lee Evans and T.O.
Why are they not getting the ball. I really do not understand this.
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You guys that went to the game:
Is that true about T.O. – that he doesn’t hustle if the play isn’t to him? I thought I noticed some of that on TV the last two weeks but wasn’t sure.
I hope it isn’t the case, but if it is, what coach would tolerate that?
I saw him mixing it up with some DBs while run blocking, straight through and after the whistle, on more than one occasion. Owens is Owens. He’s frustrated. I don’t blame him. But he’s not loafing – not all the time, anyways.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope it isn’t the case, but if it is, what coach would tolerate that?
If it is happening I have no doubt whatsoever that Jauron is saying something to him about it. We don’t hear about it because Jauron is a players coach and doesn’t air that junk to the media. Just because we don’t hear about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
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A lot of deep routes are simply decoy routes. The Bills know that TO is going to demand a double team down the field. Players regularly slow up after running 30 or so yards down the field. I’ve seen Randy Moss get compliments for the way he luls his opponents to sleep by taking it easy on some deep routes and then turning it on all of a sudden.
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Writing off the season.
In hopes that some strange cosmic, metaphysical force will make me look like a fool and negate my prediction; I am writing off the Bills 2009 season. Bills fans are blinded by their passion, we can not see the obvious at times. We hope, and it makes fools of us all. We have a sub-mediocre coach, a GM who knows nothing about football, a cheap owner, an average quarterback, a washed-up wide receiver, 5 kids on the offensive line, a star running back who plays between arrests, and an injury list two pages long. I can’t torture myself anymore.
Its not fair we have to suffer through this year after year while Wilson counts his money. He puts out the “Bad News Bears” and still sells out every game. What does he care wether we win or not? We the fans do all the suffering, both monetarily and emotionally. I’ve had enough.
by Pietro Sirianni on Sep 27, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
I’m as frustrated as anyone, but this is a huge overreaction just 3 games in.
by Mark Parisi on Sep 27, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I like to over-react. but you take the cake.
Yes, I hold very little chace for a sucessful season (play-offs), and I think you make agreeable comments, but wait till tomorrow, you will love the Bills again. Just replay the Frank Reich – Oilers play-off game.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Have a nice life.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 27, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Ralph Wilson isn’t cheap. I could write a masters thesis on this little tidbit.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Decidedly no. Loved hearing him take it to Sullivan post-game though. In T.O. vs. Jerry Sullivan, one man will win every time, and it ain’t the reporter. God, that guy is irritating.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
are you sure that some criticism from T.O. wouldn’t wake up AVP? I always thought Owens was at fault for forcing QB’s to look his way, in our case I think it might be needed.
by Buffalonian on Sep 27, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If you missed it – and I’m not sure where you’d find it if you did – listen to AVP post-game. Pretty hard on himself. Pretty pointed about the fact that he needs to get T.O./Evans the ball. He knows where the problems lie, and he certainly doesn’t need T.O. to wake him up. He called a bad game today – he’ll get better too.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He seems a little too comfortable with screens. The more film teams see, the less they will work.
by Mark Parisi on Sep 27, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian, Why wouldn’t AVP notice that after the first few series, and certainly by half time?
by Buffalonian on Sep 27, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure he did – he just failed to properly adjust, which he also alluded to.
He needs to not just get them involved, but get them involved early. I couldn’t begin to offer a suggestion as to how he does it – but it needs to happen.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 27, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
well in the second half
i saw that he called evans number more often and got him involved in the short passing game. i think AVP is a good coordinator, but hes obviously learning on the job. this game doesnt mean much in the long run because it was against the nfc, so it really has no lingering effects on playoff chances. i think we can beat the dolphins and end our losing streak against divisional foes. we have the talent, i truly believe that. i agree with TO in his interview, they simply did not execute. there is no way anyone can say they did with 12 penalties and two costly turnover (that both led to either points for the NO or points away from buffalo). 1-2 isnt the end of the world, mia is 0-3 and even pitt is 1-2. we are not in a bad position, but we do need to get TO and evans waaayyyy more involved than they have been. whether thats more practice and better timing on TE part or better play calling on AVP’s part, something must be adjusted. BTW loved the responses TO gave on that post game…..brilliant. Harrison should be fired hes a no talent hack just perpetuating stereotypes and mis-information.
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 27, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He was thrown into the fire like many players this year. I really hope he does well.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
QB has to be willing to get them the ball too
And I wonder if Trent has been changing plays designed to get TO or Evans the ball??
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I thought Hangartner hiked the ball in the shotgun especially well today. Wow, what was he doing? Almost every ball hit the turf before it got to Edwards.
Positives (note no mention of moral victories)
Wendling – Does anyone think he is the next coming of Steve Tasker, man is he a good gunner. Stupid blocking out of bounds play though.
Stroud – As good as advertised, all over the field, great re-signing.
K. Williams – As always good motor today.
Josh Reed – Always kind of like him, he just shows up on third down. A couple clutch catches today.
Levitre seemed to play well (the only O-lineman that showed up today).
Florence – Pleasantly surprised, I have always been down on this guy… Never thought he was starting material. I was wrong, played well today.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions
Jauron’s post game comment about hanging in there for a long time certainly suggests a mentality of expecting to lose. that really bothered me
most of my posts get deleted :(
And he blamed injuries, they were a good team, compounding mistakes, not finishing, etc. How about poor play calling. Very cliche…
Irritating.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 27, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh......
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Does it? Good God, people. He’s Dick Jauron, not Terrell Owens. Y’all should be used to the way he talks to the media. It’s all empty words.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 28, 2009 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions
No it doesn’t. If he had said “well our focus was to keep the game close the whole time” that is a mentality of losing. He said we kept it close meaning we had our chances and didn’t succeed. He is cliche, as Jason points out, to deflect criticism from the players.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
also
did anyone see TO call out harrison on twitter? ahahaha
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 27, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
Harrison called him a clown. He’s real tough behind a desk. I’d think a respected network such as NBC would tell Harrison to pack his bags.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 28, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe time to sign players that are not on pratice squads and players that may be able to help now.
keith_b
Umm…. like who? Are there really people out there that could help now? If so why are they not on other teams?
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
So uh...
Where did this delusion of other head coaches aching to play for Buffalo come from?
Jauron is not leaving. Pick up your tears and move forward instead of crying yourselves to sleep over the head coaching after every loss. Blame this one on many things, but not just Jauron. The only real mistake he made was the punt on 4th and 1, not much else he could do to make this game better. Had the offense been working better the Bills win 27-10 or 33-17 and you’re all singing the praises.
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By the way, conspiracy theorists
Thomas was out in the 1st half according to team coaches because he was feeling il.
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That’s funny. He gave whatever he had to 73,000 fans after halftime.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 28, 2009 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions
were playing the dolphins hopefully without pennington
next week lets try to forget about today and hope they are ready for that game because I reckon I’m gonna be a bit madder if we lose to another division rival.
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by UZ on Sep 28, 2009 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions
t o's press conference
who is the reporter that was peppering to yesterday? the one to called ‘sir’
From what I heard it was either Sal M. from the D&C or Jerry Sullivan for the Buffalo News. I am leaning towards the latter.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too. Almost 100% sure it was Sullivan.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Sullivan has a voice?
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You can hear it every Monday on WGR550.com when they do Football Monday from 5-6. Take a listen next week.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
There is probably some in the vault, too.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve retired from GR. I value my sanity.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 29, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
no kidding.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 29, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
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