Just a bad taste in my mouth after that game....
by Kurupt on Sep 28, 2009 1:10 AM EDT
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Might be all the chili I ate...
This one felt so much like all the other losses we've had during the Jauron reign of terror. A game where the offense was a mess, no offensive TD's, tons of mistakes and just total out of sync football. Why does this happen so much with the Bills? WHY!!!!?!?!?!?
I very, very, very rarely do not watch every single play of the game, but after the 4th and 23 incompletion, I just had to turn the channel for my sanity...I was frustrated as can be, and just had to chuckle when the Red Zone channel showed the Pierre Thomas TD. Of course that was going to happen. I turned back to our game to see if we might actually find a way to score an offensive TD, and I make it back in time to see us punting with 90 seconds to go. I mean, are you kidding me Jauron? Yes, I know the game is pretty much over, but for crying out loud, go down fighting man. He packed it in as he always does in those situations. It's just disgusting to me.
The OL was quite bad today. Penalties are absolutely killing this team, and you just can't beat good teams with so many of these mistakes. Besides the penalties, the interior got pushed around more today than they did the first two games combined, and the edge rushers were able to get after Edwards early and often. This was the OL that we were hoping we <em>wouldn't </em>see this year....Guess a horrible performance had to come sometime. It better be all uphill from here. Those tackles are going to get Trent killed this season. Scott just isn't good. Bell needs more time, but seems to be improving. He's still one of the weaker LT's in the AFC at this point.
What was up with those awful snaps Hang? I've never seen anything like that out of an NFL center. He disrupted the timing of a few plays because Trent had to reach down or scoop up the snap. These types of mistakes, that don't show up in the box score, are just as critical as all the penalties we had.
I'm beginning to really despise Roscoe Parrish. His main skill and only really redeeming quality is in the punt return game. That fumble was killer today. You just can't be careless with the ball like that. I know he wants to make a big play so badly, but he can't make such a bad play as a result. I hate having him return kicks too. He's not big enough or quick enough on his cuts to have more than mild success there. I have a feeling we aren't going to be seeing too much of McKelvin returning kicks anymore. Not with a bad wheel. When he plays again, I really can't see the staff exposing him to a potential re-injuring of his leg....
This offense has to get TO and Evans the ball, no matter how it's done. Both of them are visibly frustrated, and rightfully so. AVP and Edwards needs to find ways to get them more touches, even if it's reverses, bubble screens, slants, whatever. Not only will it help open up the rest of the offense, but it'll keep those guys fully engaged in the game. TO needs that more than Evans, but you can tell both of them aren't happy out there. Evans isn't a happy man:
"We had plenty of opportunities to get the ball to us," Evans said. "We just didn't get it done. I feel like we had some opportunities and we just didn't take advantage of them."
You don't see Lee Evans talk like that too often. There's really no reason these guys should be continuously quiet on the field. Other teams don't seem to have any problems finding their top WR's, despite double or over-the-top coverage. Why is it always so difficult for this team? It has to be on the QB, right?
Good to see Josh Reed showing why he's out there. Nice game for him, as usual. I do wish they would have given Johnson some reps out there though. There's still too much Roscoe on offense.
That was a solid performance by our Defense. Great job by the pass defense after showing little resistance on the first drive. The pass rush was quite solid throughout the day. But that run D was just poor all day. When you're allowing Reggie f'in Bush to rush for 5 ypc, you are having issues. Pierre Thomas really took advantage of this unit in the 2nd half, but it wasn't just the late TD's that were problematic here.
Chris Kelsay is playing quite well this year! Props to him. I hope he keeps proving me wrong, although it's hard to say anyone was wrong in criticizing his play prior to this season. Keep it up feller.
Finally, I'm not one of those people who finds a silver lining in a loss like this. I don't really give a crap that we only gave up 27 points to the high-powered Saints, or 17 for the first 50 minutes, etc. It wasn't enough and it isn't exactly something this team should be hanging their hats on. I can't help but laugh when the head coach discusses injuries as part of the reason for poor play and basically says they were happy to keep the game close for a while. Ahhh well.
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It was over when...
We punted on 4th and 1 with 5 minutes left. I am sorry but when you need two scores and you punt on 4th and 1 I have to ask why? Why punt the ball? Why not just take a knee and forfeit.
I hope the “Roscoe Showcase” is over and we just cut him. He is taking up the roster spot of someone who can play offense and possibly catch the ball. But then again, for a WR to catch the ball, Trentative Checkwards would need to throw it to them. I have been a Trent supporter since his first game, and have always seen great things in his future, but damn, he is going to have to throw those intermediate throws. Guys are open. Put the ball there.
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I still maintain that the game was over far before that, back on the INT thrown by Trent. They were within easy field goal range at that point and even though 3 points by the offense isn’t what I’d call superb, it would have tied the game up and given the Bills more spark than the come-from-behind play they’d been forcing themselves into quarter after quarter.
The punt was just icing on the cake.
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by UZ on Sep 28, 2009 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate icing.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 28, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I knew the game was screwed when Jauron deferred
I hate that
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I’ve never understood why deferring gets people upset. I remember seeing a stat after the first year that you were allowed to defer where like 60% of that season’s coin tosses ended with with a team deffering. Belichick and his crazy offense defers. You’ve got a choice between getting the ball to start the game OR getting the ball to start the 2nd half and choosing which quarters you want the wind at your back.
There are some big advantages in electing to defer. One is crowd noise. You get the super loud stadium to start the game on defense, but you don’t get that crowd noise to open the 2nd half with a huge portion of the stadium still pouring in from the bathrooms and beer lines. Wind is the other one. By defering, you can get the wind at your back in the 1st and 4th quarters (I thnk).
Most coaches (especially ones with mediocre offenses) defer. Why is it a big deal?
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It’s a big deal because people who don’t like Jauron will use anything and everything as ammo against him. That’s not specific to Jauron, either – any HC that’s disliked has that used against him.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 28, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t like it because it gave the Saints offense the ball.
~K
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by Kurupt on Sep 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The sam e old son with the Bills The coach usede sun classes so he does not look like a DEER in the HEAD LIGHT tThis Dick has to go for real and I never saw TRENT get pisst at the O LINE to give him time, COME on every team has to look at the film and lick there CHOPS saying we are going to have a field day with this Q.B . TRENT if he knows he has no time use the K GUN BUT NOOOOOO he keep doing the same grap to the entire game come on HOW much film can you watch. IT come down to performing IM NOT GIVING UP, But look at other teams 1 good Q.B AWAY and look at the diference the team is T.BOW ANY BODY if we dont win against the phins C YOU LATER DICK NEW COACH IN TOWN
Just a dispickable game offensively, where we didn’t get anything done quite literally, and that falls on Trent and particularly AVP, who just didn’t do nearly a good enough job of challenging what is – in my opinion – a mediocre Saints defense. I was very negatively surprised to see that we didn’t even once try a screen to Fred against the over-aggressive defense, which I’m sure would have helped. Of course, what also doesn’t help is the pathetic pass-protection the O-line put up (it was way too inconsistent to be effective).
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Sep 28, 2009 4:13 AM EDT reply actions
For as much as I now find fault in most Bills' reporting...
Sal Maiorana got it right this AM:
…Why is it that J.P. Losman used to routinely hit Evans on deep balls, but Edwards can’t? J.P. Losman, for cryin’ out loud.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 28, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions
It's sad, but true
At least that guy was willing to take shots, especially in the intermediate areas.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Trent needs some BFF time with Owens and Evans. At one point I was semi-excited to see Fine get up slowly because I thought it might be one less check down option for Edwards. It felt dirty then and feels the same now, but what’s it going to take to put some moxy in Trent’s socksies?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 28, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I was at the game and it was ugly.
The Saints are extremely good in the intermediate area because they always have some deep crossing plays, why can’t we get Evans & Owens crossing? I am starting to understand the pop warner comment…
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It doesn't make a whole lot of sense
I really have no idea why we can’t take advantage of those guys….Maybe AVP and Jauron know that no matter what patterns we run, Trent is too tentative throwing it down the middle???
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After watching Nic Harris again yesterday
i’m advocating the team move him to the inactive list and promote Steve Johnson. Parrish could exclusively play ST and Johnson could find work from Parrish’s previous offensive role.
Nic Harris is a liability on ST and it’s been an issue since the summer.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 28, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions
Johnson was active. They just didn’t put him out there on offense
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Harris
What are you referring to here?
The Saints return units averaged 8 yards per kick return and 4 yards per punt return. You can’t be talking about him hurting the coverage units. Is his blocking that atrocious? Was it his penalty?
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
The mental breakdowns and penalties. He commits them almost on cue.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 28, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I am really getting sick of the "double coverage excuse"
and the “middle is wide open excuse” as to the reason Trent does not throw the ball to Owens and Evans. I bet other teams pay extra attention to Boldin and Fitzgerald but that doesn’t seam to matter. What the hell? This is getting real old. I don’t know who’s fault it is but frankly I am sick of speculating.
On I side not I am real excited about Beastmode coming back. He will make us better.
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OL = Horrible
Trent = Wimp, for the love, take some shots homey!
Jauron = Fired by January, seriously 4th &1 and you punt in that situation?
Parrish = not even tradeable at this point
TO & Evans = wasted by horrible play calling
Moorman = only pro-bowler this year
A loss to MIA (w/o Chad) will prove this season is a bust…
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Our OL wasn’t horrible in two of the three games.
If Parrish was tradeable at any point he would have been gone according to every indication.
Schobel is playing like a Pro Bowler and Moorman isn’t. Schobel has two sacks, a forced fumble, an INT and a return in three games.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 30, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know about Parrish. I think he’s been tradable, but can’t bring in the return the Bills are looking for. And I think he would net you the exact same pick that Buffalo could have gotten for him two weeks ago. The problem is that it’s probably a 6th rounder and of no use to the Bills right now.
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Other teams don’t seem to have any problems finding their top WR’s, despite double or over-the-top coverage. Why is it always so difficult for this team? It has to be on the QB, right?
I think it’s gotta be Trent too. I can pretty much guarantee that 90% of the pass plays have a WR as the first progression. That’s just the way that offenses work. Nobody is calling a play where the ideal scenario is a 6 yard pass to Derek Fine. I think yesterday was the same old Trent checking down when guys aren’t wide open.
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there were times when I was extremely frustrated as to where Trent was throwing the ball. It’d be 3rd and 8+ yds and he’d be throwing a 5 yard out pattern to fine.
another “hello” moment – when the DB’s are playign 10 yds off of TO AND Lee – why aren’t we tossing them the ball and letting them make plays?
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Trent is not a leader. plain and simple. He’s too willing to check down on a play, either because he lacks the arm strengh/accuracy or simply just doesn’t have the courage to make the play.
Even in all the games everyone says he is supposedly good— I still never see him throw the 3rd and 15 pass 20 yrds down field. AND NO IM NOT TALKING THE VERTICAL THROW WHERE HE IS THROWING IT UP FOR GRABS FOR THE WR OR THE PASS WHERE OUR RECEIVER IS 20 YARDS AWAY FROM ANY DEFENDER. ANY COLLEGE QB CAN MAKE THAT THROW. im talking about getting the ball to a receiver with one-on-one coverage. getting the ball perfectly in the hands of the receiver as he’s crossing the middle. where only the receiver can make the grab. where the ball is thrown into such a small window and is so perfectly delivered you say. “Wow, what a play…”
Brady can make that throw. So can both of the Mannings. Big Ben and Romo can as well. McNabb, Hasselback, Cutler, Favre, Rivers would have no problem making a play like that.
MATT RYAN can make that throw. so can RODGERS, and FLACCO, and in all honestly, I would be more comfortable with players like Kolb, Campbell, and Sanchez (despite the latter having only played three games) attempting that pass than from what I’ve seen with Edwards
Look Trent Edwards can play smart. I will give you that. He doesn’t FORCE the football. and yes, i guess having a guy that can consistently get the ball 5-10 yrds down the field by throwing it to the slot or TE. or giving the responsibility to a running back on 3rd and long and expect him to get the first down is not the worst thing in the world. If you don’t have TO AND LEE EVANS. yeah then maybe I understand that philosophy
I mean the guy is smart. You end the game and you look at Edward’s stat sheet and you see something like 17/24 190 yrds. 0 INTS. Alright he made no mistakes. High completion percentage. What more could I ask for??
I ask for a COMPETITOR. Someone who is LOOKING TO MAKE THE FIRST DOWN. When I see Edwards dump it off to a running back on 3rd and 15…. I honestly begin to question if the guy doesn’t make that 20 yrd throw BECAUSE HE CANT MAKE THAT THROW. Yes, sometimes there is nothing open and its the correct thing to do. But not when this is happening every time. Not when we have world-class receivers that other QBs would kill for the chance to play with. I remember the words that the commentator said on the MNF game against cleveland when Marshawn Lynch scored a TD on an Edwards pass from 3rd and long. He said, “That is going to go on the stat sheet as a 22 yd touchdown pass from Edwards. That is NOT a 22 yd touchdown pass. That was a 2 yd pass from Edwards, and a 20 yd run for Lynch”
but of course those were the days when he was still young. or when we really didn’t have any receiving options. or when next year he will have made a big maturation process. Of course i turn on the tv now and i see Sanchez leading the Jets to a 3-0 record as a rookie. I see players like Rodgers and Matt Ryan who have FAR exceeded where Edwards is at now. Everyone said this guy was a HUGE improvement over Losman. but honestly just because our old qb was bad doesn’t mean this guy is good. (And albeit I was not a fan of Losman’s passing skills… He always seemed to PLAY for the win. He mightve sucked HORRIBLY at times. But at least he gave our receivers the OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE PLAYS. I dont EVER remember Lee Evans speaking out against Losman’s style of quarterback play.
I guess when I judge a player, I judge him on his ability at that position. I dont want a running back who is only good when the line is creating wholes. I want the running back who makes his own wholes.
I dont want the receiver who has great stats because all the balls are perfectly thrown. I want the receiver who can make all the plays. Even the ones where he has to snatch it out of the hands of a cornerback to save it from being picked off
And when I look at a QB— the most important position on the football field, the leader of the offense, the player who is suppose to bring out the potential of his team— I dont want the QB who is content to play under the mind frame, “Well I’ll just dump it off to Marshawn and I’ll have him run for the first…” I want the QB who is poised, confident, and willing to make the throws which allow his receivers to win games… I want a QB whose main priority is to get that first down and lead the team to Ws.
Its hard to find QBs like that. But they are out there. And i have not totally given up on edwards (at least yet). But to say he needs to make some changes is an understatement. Maybe this guy will mature and become that Jim Kelly weve been waiting for. But until that time, I can only base my judgment on what the guy has shown so far…
by flutieflakes007 on Sep 28, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions
Ah add another to the Bashing.
This reminds me of the Fitzpatrick bashing earlier this year.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 28, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i like TE
and still have hope for him. AVP said it was more his fault then anything, and that his main focus right now is to get lee and TO more involved. i think if AVP calls the plays next week after saying that and TO and lee still dont have good games, then maybe we can blame it on TE. right now the play calls might be set up for short and over the middle, with a deep shot every once in awhile. i think thats actually what they kept saying after the TB game, so im not sure if TE gets all the blame for that.. btw leftwich is being benched for johnson next week.
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 28, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone just automatically assumes its all Trent.......
but no one ever mentions the 11 guys on the other side of the ball doing their jobs.
But heck the saints defense (greg williams hello!) deserves some credit as well.
No one expected the Bills defense to hold Brees under 175 yards passing…….and I doubt anyone expected the Saints defense to do as well either.
But its just easier to blame everything on Trent and AVP…..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 28, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
AVP deserves plenty of blame for the New Orleans game.
He called plays just like Turk, he did an excellent job in the first two games, against NO he did a lousy predictiable schonert like effort.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 1, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Trent plays like winnie the pooh
How can we expect otherwise when his coach is Eeyore?
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