Injuries continue to pile up on 1-2 Bills
by Brian Galliford on Sep 28, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
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PrintThe Buffalo Bills entered their Week 3 contest with the New Orleans Saints already down multiple starters. RT Brad Butler and TE Derek Schouman were placed on Injured Reserve last week. MLB Paul Posluszny has missed two straight games, and will miss a few more, as he recovers from a broken arm.
Add FS Donte Whitner and CB Leodis McKelvin to the list.
Whitner is having surgery on his thumb today, according to BuffaloBills.com (citing today's Dick Jauron press conference). Jauron called Whitner "week to week," but the fourth-year safety has not yet been ruled out of next Sunday's game in Miami.
McKelvin has a cracked fibula, and Jauron mentioned that his injury would be a more significant time loss than Whitner's week-to-week prognosis. McKelvin was capably replaced in the starting lineup by Drayton Florence - who made his Bills debut yesterday - while Whitner's reps were split between Jairus Byrd and George Wilson.
Whitner's running mate at safety, Bryan Scott, is getting an MRI today on the ankle he injured in Sund
Other Bills dealing with injuries: TE Shawn Nelson (shoulder), TE Derek Fine (arm), OT Demetrius Bell (groin), C Geoff Hangartner (back), DT John McCargo (calf), and CB Terrence McGee (ankle). Receivers Josh Reed and Roscoe Parrish were both listed on the injury report last week as well. All of these players have different degrees of seriousness on their injuries, but right now, the Whitner and McKelvin injuries are the closest to long-term injuries.
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And just FYI im posting today with a hangnail..........
is their NO HOPE for anyone?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 28, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions
Wow these injuries are getting to be near ridiculus...
I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City
Hate to be arnold here but...
i don’t know why a fractured fibula would keep mckelvin out so long…i played on one in college. This almost makes me feel like that one ep from Hard Knocks this year…
by quantumuprising on Sep 28, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
If there is pain in his leg when he cuts it might be a bad thing.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha oops
There’s goes my fanshot!! Ha
This might be the first year the injury excuse might actually be legit. These are starters that are going down, not the mediocre fringe players we’ve lost in bunches in the past. What can you do….That’s why you’re supposed to build up quality depth….
I’m probably going to be ripped for it, but I don’t think losing McKelvin is going to be a big deal on D. He’s been pretty awful this year, and I don’t think it’s coincidental that after he went out yesterday, the pass D really clamped down. He plays WAY too soft in coverage. We are really missing his explosiveness in the return game though. Having Roscoe Parrish return kicks just flat out stinks….
Next week’s starting OL could be: Chambers, Levitre, Wood, McKinney, Scott…..Dear lord…..that’s a hot mess right there.
The starting secondary could be: McGee (hopefully!), Florence, Byrd and Wilson….Not nearly as bad, but that safety duo is going to be an issue with helping against the Dolphins running game….Whitner and Scott are perfect safeties for going up against Miami….
I really hope that down the line the injury excuse isn’t used to retain Jauron….Either he wins or he doesn’t, but don’t make decisions based on something like this!
~K
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Phins injuries
Heres to hoping that Chad Henne will be their starting QB and that Jerry Porter’s hamstring injury is more serious
I’m not sure why everyone is pining for Chad Henne to start. There’s practically zero game film on the guy, and if there’s one thing Buffalo struggles to game plan for, it’s the unknown commodity.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 28, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait….we game plan? (Kidding…sortof)
by Posluszny Pollocks on Sep 28, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
then hopefully, it’s just that much more time that the defense can focus on the wildcat.
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I expect the Dolphins to really throw some wrinkles into that this weekend, especially if Henne is the starter. They are desperate, so I’m expecting a Ronnie Brown pass, and definitely more Pat White. It’ll help take pressure off of Henne in his first career start….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Solid thoughts, K. I agree with each.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that was my thinking. Who cares if Buffalo doesn’t know how to gameplan for Henne and what the Phins O will look like with him at QB. Just make sure that his big arm and Ginn’s fast feet don’t beat you over the top.
Other than that, go with a vanilla defense and mix in some blitzes. Spend all week on the wildcat and the D should be fine.
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I think it’s very possible Miami is using the Wildcat as somewhat of a distraction, to keep opponents from gameplanning them fully . Obviously it’s an integral part of their offense, but perhaps getting the Bills (and Miami’s other opponents) to practice primarily against a Wildcat formation is exactly what the Dolphins coaching staff wants. I’m for simulating the Wildcat in practice, let’s just give it study within the proportion of attention it deserves.
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I would feel better if they face Henne. They haven’t played well against efficient QBs, and Pennington is about as efficient (and yes, boring) as they come.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 28, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree on McKelvin. He is not playing good football. He is making too many mental mistakes. Too many times I have seen him just get plain juked out of his socks on a simple cut. He is not our best CB opition right now.
And with that safety duo, I want to see Pennington, the guy that can’t throw it deep. Then again, if Pennington plays they probably will still run the ball so we are still screwed.
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I know injuries are injuries but
does the stregnth and conditioning staff have anything to do with these? It just seems that the Bills seem to get injured more often than other teams. I’m probably way off here, just throwing it out there.
by dragonwag0n on Sep 28, 2009 1:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’m with you here. It seems like every year we have an injury plague
by Posluszny Pollocks on Sep 28, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
for the minor injuries, yes – rolled ankles, hamstrings, anything muscular and trending can be attributed to strength and conditioning coaches. i remember a few years back the yankees had to fire their head S&C guy a few weeks into the season because they had like 6 hamstring issues that were attributable to the new workouts.
That being said, injuries to butler and shoumann are not preventable…butler got rolled up on and blew some ligaments (been there) and shoumanns leg got caught under him – no way any different strength and training wouldve helped them there.
by quantumuprising on Sep 28, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus a lot of these are broken bones. How is a strength and conditioning coach going to prevent Poz’s forearm from getting broken?
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
With dragonwagon… S&C can’t prevent broken bones, but to me it’s just odd that the Bills go thru this every year. Especially since Jauron has started, it’s been injury after injury. Maybe I’m wrong, but to me it’s odd.
by Michael_Necci on Sep 28, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s certainly odd but I don’t think there is blame to place.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The strength and conditioning coach is one of the most important coaches on the staff. One example that is talked about often is the strength and conditioning coach of the Pats Mike Woicik. When Jimmy Johson took the Dallas job he was one of his first hire and then when Billicheck got the Pats job he hired Woicik. Combined this guy has 6 rings, more than anyone else in teh NFL!!! These are/were teams that are very seldom hit by “the injury bug”. Obviously things and injuries happen on a football field ala. Brady last year…. but teh nagging injury pull stuff doesn’t happen nearly as much.
Think we miss Rusty Jones???? Who was sent packing by Donahue…..
We don’t have the nagging stuff, though. We have broken bones. Nelson sprained his shoulder. Poz, McKelvin, Whitner all have broken bones. Butler and Schouman have torn ligaments. Where are the nagging injuries you’re talking about? Florence had one. I dunno.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say Hangartner, McGee, Fine, Bell, McCargo, Reed, Parrish, etc have all had nagging injuries…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Is Bell’s the same injury as before? I thought his first was his back and this is his groin. Plus his techinque isn’t very polished so maybe that is a cause for the injuries.
The Hang back thing just sprang up last week I thought. Not really recurring. Same with McCargo.
McGee, Reed and Parrish played and it didn’t seem to bother them so I guess I didn’t think about them.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 30, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
At this rate...
Some of us may have to suit up. YIKES!
Whitner injury is huge. SUrgery on the thumb? Isn’t that the same injury that sidelined Roscoe for 6 weeks last year or the year before?
Agree with whoever said the McKelvin injury isn’t bad. Getting Lynch back will be nice. Hangartner and Bell injuries are big as well.
They are saying Whitner might play this week.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Having a light team may contribute to injuries,I’m sure it’s part of the Bills problems, but, In my opinion, I think that the Powder Puff regimine that we call training camp is the real culprit. You can’t get a football team ready by talking about it.
Check and see how many injuries the 49ers are having. They have 2 a days where they hit in both sessions!!
Well, Frank Gore is about to miss a week or two, for starters…
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 28, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
So wait… hit each other hard and running more during the summer is going to prevent Poz from breaking his forearm in the MNF opener? I fail to see the logic of exposing guys to more hits when they obviously can’t take them.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That is probably true
It’s probably far fetched, but I wonder if guys would be more used to taking on hits that might allow them to avoid getting hurt. Plus, I tend to believe if they play tougher, physical football in camp, it’ll translate onto the field when it counts. Of course, who knows if that’d lead to less injuries….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Absorbing vs delivering a blow .... it is better to give than receive
How can players like AP of the Vikes take so many hits and not get seriously hurt on a regular basis? I submit that part of reason is because he delivers the blow instead of absorbing it. A big part of playing that kind of football is having a certain kind of mentality…aka Mike Singletary. We don’t have a hard nosed coach….we have a smart, calm, nice, players coach. I certainly have no concrete evidence to support the idea that a tougher coach’s players get injured less, but could it really be much worse that what we have seen over the past few years?
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
not too shabby of a theory there
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by J2 on Sep 28, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
agree 100% .. think about it if you’re a player would you rather tell Singletary or Jauron that you’re to hurt to go back in the game?
Haha
Trying to visualize that just makes me chuckle…
“Coach, I’m pretty banged up, I don’t think I can get back in there today”
Singletary: “You ******* pansy. I’ll rip your head off if you don’t get back in there and make something happen. We don’t pay you millions of dollars to nurse injuries on the bench. Do not disappoint me, you will not like me when I’m angry.”
Jauron: “That’s ok son. You played hard today and that’s all we can ask for. We’d like you out there, but we’ll take what we’re dealt and work hard for next week. Go have an orange, a cold Gatorade and rest up over on that nice, cozy bench.”
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 28, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
wow, K - you're typically glass 9/10th's empty, but don't descend into cheap caricatures
by LeClaireBill on Sep 28, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It's all in fun
I hope you weren’t taking it seriously!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
You know that’s not how he feels, K. Think about Youboty this preseason.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
AP of the Vikes
would have been the #1 pick in his draft…if not for an injury.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
jb
It’s a theory. I’m sure examples could be quoted to back up either hypothesis.
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Tony Dungy, Marv Levy, Don Shula, Mike Holmgren, they were all loud and intimidating……
These guys are professional football players that have been tackling and hitting at a high level there whole lives or they wouldn’t be in the NFL, as much as all of you like to think otherwise.
We are all jumping off a bridge because we played a team that no one thought we could beat, even for 50 mins. and then we loose 3/4 of our secondary and a sub at MLB and our offensive line looses 2 starters and reshuffle 3 guys into new positions and we still want to be dillusional that we should have won.
Players and talent wins games, when we are healthy we are a talented team but we need to stay healthy because our second stringers are weaker than other teams second’s.
No need to get defensive. I actually didn’t make a stand, I think either argument could be made strongly.
Also, I’m not sure what you are arguing exactly. First you seem to favor tough and intimidating coaches and practices, yet later you argue the importance of our team’s talent staying healthy. Could you clarify?
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I should have clarified better my apologies….
I don’t think any of those coaches I mentioned are intimidting or run “tough” practices. It all comes down to players and talent and the Bills are trying to recover from some bad decisions in the past. Losman, Magahee, Williams, Simpson……… I for one think they are on the right track but it will really depend on how Trent responds in the next few weeks and how the OL can hold up.
First the Mets...now the Bills!
I can’t take these injury plagued teams anymore…
And I definitely would take Henne over Chad or Pat White!
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agreed. Just watching him dump it off for 1, 2, 3 yards on 3 and 15. Its just so frustrating to watch. In situations like that throw it up and let our playmakers MAKE PLAYS. If they pick it thats fine… essentially like a punt but at least let them try to make a play. AHHH i love/hate them!!
lol you say that you're okay with him throwing a Pick now.........
until he has one of those games Culter or Delhomme had earlier in the year…..Then you’d be calling for his head for making poor throws.
He’s damned if he does, or damned if he doesnt with some of you.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 28, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Youre probably right i would be a little pissed if he had a 5 int game.. but at the same time im equally as pissed if not more when he doesnt even TRY for a first down. 3rd and 15 you CAN NOT throw to Fine for -1 yards. That is unacceptable.
The defense knows its 3rd and 15 too......
Dont you think they have something to do with the fact that Edwards cant find someone 16 yards down the field?
Everyone is probably playing deep…….Trent could be thinking to get the ball underneath and hopefully one of his guys can make a play.
Sure the outcome sucked…….but a pick there sucks just as much IMO.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 28, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I understand that but 3rd and 15 isnt an impossible amount of yards to be picked up. If you were Trent wouldnt you rather want to go even to a double covered Owens (which hes been doubled his whole career) or Evans… or would you want to dump it off and hope Fine can break tackles and pick up 16 yards?
It depends on whats going on in the field.......
For me…..I’d rather dump it off to a guy and hope he can make a play, instead of forcing a ball into double or triple coverage…..A INT there changes field position drastically………
and we saw what happened when the Saints had a short field.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 28, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
My problem isn’t ever 3rd and 15, sometimes you have to run a screen. What i don’t like is 3rd and 18 (or something like that ) at the end of the game where he DOESNT EVEN LOOK downfield at all…immediately checks the ball for a two yard gain and we punt. hard to win games doing things like that.
by quantumuprising on Sep 28, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
this could be very very true
good point.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 28, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont know.. its just frustrating watching this team. I love them dont get me wrong… but damn they pi ss me off. haha
How many teams that you know of can convert a 3rd and 15 consistantly?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 28, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not saying consistantly pick it up every time.. because to be totally honest I dont expect lots of 3rd and 15’s or we got more problems than we’re talking about now. But when our defense is keeping us in the game somehow someway we gotta make a play.
no argument from me there.......
of course I will argue that Trent and the offense did make many first down conversions which were negated by costly penalties. Which unfortunately made plays like that 3rd and 15 seem so much bigger.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 28, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
How often do we face 3rd and 15?
When he’s throwing 1 yard passes on 3rd and 8’s, that’s the issue many have….
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yup – that’d be me.
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by J2 on Sep 28, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
How bout when he completes a 13 yard pass on 3rd and 10
then someone gets flagged for holding? Or not lining up properly? Or being a lineman and going too far downfield?
What about those situations?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 28, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
so a few times a game he does what any QB would do? We should congratulate him for that?!??!
How many times have we seen him throw a 2 yard pass when we need much more than that?? When I watch other games, I don’t see QB’s throwing short passes on 3rd and long too often. Trent does it multiple times a game. At least give your receivers a chance to pick up the first! The only way they’re doing that is if they break a few tackle and get a bunch of YAC with these types of passes he’s throwing.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
yeah thats what im saying. I would rather see him take a shot to Lee or TO even in double coverage because guess what… players can still make plays in double coverage. Look at the best WR’s in the league. They still get it done. Sh it even Greg Lewis just made a play in triple coverage to win the game for the Vikes. I just want to see chances taken thats all. I trust that more than Fine breaking tackles and juking his way 15 yrds for a first
Maybe this is a keen grasp of the obvious, but is it Edward’s fault that we always seemed to be in
3rd and long situations yesterday?
Your argument is cherry picking. If it works, you can say you were in favorite of it all the time. If it fails, you can rail against it.
If Edwards throws a 2 yd pass to Jackson that goes for 20, its brilliant. If Jackson gets tackled, it’s putrid
Gets enormously redundant..
by LeClaireBill on Sep 28, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
not a bad look at it. And i know that we can break them but when it wasnt working all day and the frustration just kept building… I would liked to have seen a crossing pattern or something to our WR’s that actually picks up the first down. Actually Reed had a hell of a first half picking up first downs in the seams
agreed. i would love to see TO run the same slants that made Andre Reed famous.
by LeClaireBill on Sep 28, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah im not saying just on the 3rd and 15’s im talking on the 3rd downs period. We gotta have players running routes that give them a chance to pick it up.
I agree again
however like I said the defense is gonna game plan against those specific routes as well.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 28, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
tis no picnic for me either friend.
:-(
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 28, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true
but why can’t the Offense be the one dictating what happens? Defenses gameplan to shut down offenses on 3rd down throughout the league, but QB’s are still getting it downfield and picking up firsts in those situations. Why can’t our O?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
we are in trouble with or without injuries!
I hate to say it but our old friend greg really exposed Trent. Just like every team down the stretch did last year. Take away the dink and dunk and Trent looks lost.
Hey dont blame me!
I have nothing to do with Trent having two good games and one lousy one! :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
hey at least we get a fresh lynch back this week
i see a heavy dose of him in order to keep fred healthy. injuries suck, but i was once told that the chances of getting injured while playing football are 100%. meaning everyone will be injured in some respect this season. remember, football is not a contact sport, its a collision sport.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 28, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it Conditioning?
Why does that team have so many injuries? Is it bad luck, a soft pre-season camp, they don’t stretch properly, etc. – An earlier post raised a good point, that you better get your players ready to hit…….But Butler had someone roll up on his ankle, this is where you need depth. I do know that the Chargers are another team that year after year get’s it with injuries – Believe they have at least 5-6 starters out including L.T., Jamal Williams, etc.
Is it bad luck, a soft pre-season camp, they don’t stretch properly, etc
The injuries we are having are broken bones and torn knees. Both knees were unavoidable based on the play. The broken bones can’t be prevented by stretching or tough camps.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
People have mentioned trainers and camp as reasons and I think they are factors, but they’re minor ones. I think injuries are due to two main things.
The first is just dumb luck. When a player rolls up another guys leg, bad things happen. Luck is obviously a huge factor and there’s no denying that.
And then the thing that people don’t really talk about is the pain and injury tolerance of specific players. Some guys are simply more prone to be injured and there’s nothing that the coaches can do about it. Players go from team to team and struggle with injuries and other players go from team to team and have long healthy careers. Some guys will play through pain that others won’t or can’t. With muscles and some other injuries, there isn’t a way to determine how serious the injury is other than pain.
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with that being said, i think there is something to the training camp theory. If you haven’t gone hard in practice, incrementally building up, then how are you going to be in a real game? If you’ve listened this year about guys like (name forgotten-andre smith?) for the bengals and crabtree for the niners, one of the main reasons they want guys in camp on time is to avoid injury, because more often than not, guys that hop in late get hurt because their bodies aren’t used to the speed and pounding.
i’m definitely not blaming most of our injuries on training camp. Most are bad, like butler and schoumann. but there is some thought that ones like leo and poz could be attributed to guys who haven’t built up the endurance to get hit and keep going. Conditioning applies to pain and resilience, not just aerobic tolerance
by quantumuprising on Sep 28, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 28, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
so if i smack my fore arm with a two by four twenty times instead of 10, it will be less likely to break?
by LeClaireBill on Sep 28, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I would think that if you punched a board a few times every day, you’d be less and less likely to break your hand on the board each day. I don’t know if there’s any truth to that at all, but it makes sense to me.
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Plus if someone were to trying hitting you with that board, you might be more prepared and know how to better absorb a blow that wouldn’t wreck your arm.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Well said, and there is a lot of truth in the training camp theory. But these guys are in camp for 6 weeks before the season starts. It’s not like Jauron runs a contact free camp. They have full contact drills, guys run at full speed and make all the cuts way before the season starts and the Bills had 5 preseason games. So I don’t that the Bills players were much less ready for physical football than teams who run a tougher camp.
And the Bills had very few preseason injuries when guys are pretty much going 100%. If the light camp was that much of a factor, wouldn’t we see more injuries in preseason games and then have fewer and fewer throughout the year?
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Andre Smith hurt a muscle though. They want them in camp because as you saw in Bills camp this year, muscles get pulled early on because of lack of activity on off time. We had a bunch of sore groins (no jokes) and hammys, etc. That’s what they are talking about. Now we have broken bones and torn ligaments not pulled muscles.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He broke his foot
because he was fat and out of shape….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Right… that’s it. :-) I suppose if he had been in camp the first few days he would have been less fat and more in shape.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 30, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey Brian,
Guess your healthy secondary post came too soon. :-(
I am over 10k posts by the way. In one year.
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200 comments a week. nice.
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Woah. Never broke it down like that.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if you spent 2 mins a comment…then you are only WRITING comments for 13.8 days a year. Actually typing them. THINK HOW MUCH YOU ARE READING THEM. Wow. Impressive..I think. And I thought I needed a girlfriend! :)
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 28, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I try and read every comment here. The only posts I have been skipping recently are the college scouting ones. No offense to those fine folks, I just have very little interest in the draft until the day of the draft.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 30, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I still feel sick
The more I think about where we are as a franchise and where we r going, it is evident to me that we will have a new coach, new coaching staff for the most part, our QB will be a lame duck and we will be in the rebuiding mode once again. The best way for Ralph to win the fans back is to get a name coach. By the way, how r we 2 1/2 pt favorites this week? I don’t care who is QB in Miami!
The best way for Ralph to win the fans back is to get a name coach.
Is he trying to win fans back or win football games? Recent trends say he shouldn’t hire a name coach if he wants to win games.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 28, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Cowher or Gruden would be great!
I heard Cowher say the Bills are good looking young team with a lot of potential. Plus, for those not watching MNF, it appears Gruden likes T.O., which you don’t see many coaches who do. Either of these guys could come in and fire up our young team who seem uninspired or at least lack the proper coaching/play calling, and make a difference immediately. Young coaches would cause us to only have more rebuilding years in my opinion.
Who can make a play? I can make a play!
-T.O.
Can you say Poz is uninspired when he geeks out after dropping an INT in the first preseason game? Is Whitner uninspired when he is at his locker holding back tears after the MNF loss? Is Schobel picking off Brady and running it in uninspired? What about Kelsay actualyl sacking Drew Brees or Schobel strip-sacking him? Marcus Stroud running down the field on every play making tackles he has no business making. Is he uninspired? This thought that his teams play uninspired football is simply not accurate.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 30, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I should make a weekly FanPost for these types of comments, just so the rest of our threads can stay on-topic.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 28, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, no, not exactly. The post is about injuries, not the general state of the franchise.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 29, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
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