Notes from the Bills' O-Line: Week 3 vs New Orleans
I postulated before the Buffalo Bills' Week 3 matchup with the New Orleans Saints that New Orleans would blitz (and run blitz) like maniacs. After all, the Pats and Bucs had each worried obsessively about Terrell Owens and Lee Evans. In each case, they were eaten alive by underneath passes and runs; Buffalo won one game and should have won both. Unlike the Pats and Bucs, the Saints had the offense to trade touchdowns with Buffalo, so I thought they'd go with a pressure defense. It turned out that I was half right, or half wrong if you want to phrase it pessimistically.
I counted 22 blitzes on 42 passes, but the Saints only loaded the box on 4 of 20 run plays. The Saints dared T.O. and Evans to burn them on repeated blitzes. Buffalo responded by gaining a paltry 99 yards against those 22 blitzes (4.5 yards per blitz). Combined, the Bills had more drops (3), sacks (2), balls thrown away (1), bad passes (1) and offensive penalties (1) than first downs (5) when blitzed. Look for the Dolphins to bring the heat in Week 4, which could be interesting in that the drops, bad passes and penalties are all unforced errors - and therefore correctable.
Drive 1
Run 1: Fred Jackson -1 yard through the A gap
- 91 got inside of Demetrius Bell. Andy Levitre went to the second level and tapped 51. Geoff Hangartner (henceforth referred to as "Hang") and Eric Wood blew 98 off the line. 94 jumped inside of Jonathan Scott and should have had a tackle for loss (TFL). Scott killed the play. Derek Fine never really blocked anyone.
Pass 1: Fine 10 yards against a 5-man blitz
- Bell stopped 91. Levitre and Hang doubled 98. Wood would have picked up a twisting DT if Scott hadn't. Scott, however, should have directed his attention first to the blitzing DB instead of just waiting around for the twisting DT - who Wood would have gotten anyway.
Pass 2: Josh Reed 14 yards against a 5-man blitz
- Scott tried to pick up 55, but 55 was dedicated to breaking off his rush and hitting Jackson to keep him from being Trent Edwards' outlet receiver. Levitre's DT got around him but too late to stop the play. Hang turned 98 and pushed him past Edwards. Wood stopped 94 and Scott did an okay job on 58.
Pass 3: Reed 9 yards against a 5-man blitz
- Everyone blocked like it was a run to the left while Edwards did a bootleg. The Saints were, as predicted in comments made last week, all over Fine in the flat. While it's great that Buffalo has found some plays that work well, the downside is that defenses start to recognize those plays and take them away. It's time to put this particular play on the shelf for a while.
Run 2: Jackson 4 yards through the right B gap
- Bell pushed 58 upfield. Levitre turned 91 out and away from the play. Hang got no push but neither did 98. Wood and Scott had initial double on 94. Wood kept after 94 while Scott peel to pick up 51. Fine locked up 58 on the edge of the line of scrimmage (LOS).
Pass 4: Thrown away against a 5-man blitz
- Bell abused 20 on the LOS. Hang and Levitre doubled 91. Wood danced with 98 before he dropped into coverage on Jackson. Scott and Fine doubled 94.
Pass 5: Owens juggle-drop against a 5-man blitz
- Bell stopped 58. Levitre was pushed back by 91 but not enough to disrupt the play. Hang did an okay job on 98 who twisted to try to go between Wood and Scott. Wood pushed a DT inside and picked up 98. Scott stuffed 55. Owens dropped a first down even though he had multiple chances to secure it before going out of bounds.
Pass 6: Screen to Jackson for 6 yards
- Fine helped Bell contain 91. Levitre, Hang and Wood got blocked on 55 and 98 and then let them go to get in front of the screen. Jackson outran them so he had no blocking. Scott let 94 get upfield but didn't turn to lead the play.
Blitzes: 5
Stacked box: 0
Drive killed by: Owens' drop of a certain first down
Drive 2
Pass 7: Thrown away
- Bell pushed 22 past Edwards. Levitre stuffed 91's spin move. Hang helped Bell with 94 who stuck with 94 instead of passing him off to interior linemen - thus letting the DB force Edwards to throw the ball away. Wood never turned his head to see the rushing DB, though really it isn't the typical assignment for a guard.
Run 3: Jackson 2 yards through the left B gap
- Bell missed the cut on 91 who made the tackle. Levitre chucked a DB then locked up 58 and kept him out of the play. Hang got a 3-yard drive on 98. Wood drove 94 and put him down. Scott chipped 94 then drove 51 five yards. Fine was thrown down while blocking 55 but kept him busy until the play was all but over. Jonathan Stupar followed 93 on a circle around and behind the play.
Pass 8: Reed for 18 yards against a 5-man blitz
- 91 zipped past Bell and almost had a sack. Levitre tried to follow 58 on a stunt and lost him in the mass of humanity. Hang handed 98 to Wood and picked up a twisting 94. Wood blocked 94 until he twisted to Hang. Scott helped with 94 but never turned his head to see blitzing safety. Fine saved the play by throwing a leaping DB, sending him rolling into another DB.
Pass 9: Evans drop against a 5-man blitz
- Bell pushed 58 past the corner. Levitre stopped 69 and Hang stopped 98. Wood kept 94 on an outside arc and Scott beat 55 to the corner.
Pass 10: Jackson for 9 yards against a 5-man blitz (plus 15 yard roughing the passer penalty)
- Bell stopped 58. Levitre was pushed back into Edwards by the DE. Hang turned Hargrove from the passing lane. Wood easily handled a spin move by 94. Scott pushed 55 past Edwards.
Pass 11: Jackson 0-yard catch against a 5-man blitz (Jackson slipped after catching pass)
- Bell and Levitre doubled 69. Bell didn't even look at a blitzing 20. Hang handed 92 to 70. Wood waited for 92 but 92 dropped back when the pass was thrown. Scott handed 97 to Fine and picked up a blitzing 51.
Run 4: Jackson 4 yards through the A gap
- Bell got inside of 69, who managed to get in on the tackle - but only after Jackson was four yards downfield. Levitre put an arm on 69 then stood up 55 at the second level. Hang pushed 92 to the right and opened the run lane. Wood popped 51 at the second level. Scott locked onto the DE and wouldn't allow him a clean release. Fine did a great job on 52 on the edge of the LOS.
Pass 12: Fine drop (may or may not have been a first down depending on run after catch)
- Bell stuffed 91 and kept his arms down. Levitre and Hang tag-teamed 92. Wood waited for a LB to blitz and helped Scott with 94 when the LB stayed in coverage. It looked like Scott's initial good block turned into an uncalled hold.
Fake FG for a 25-yard TD. Bobby April bailed out the offense.
Blitzes: 4
Stacked box: 0
Drive killed by: no one
Drive 3
Run 5: Jackson 4 yards through the right C gap
- Bell pushed 91 down the line and around the pile. Levitre and Hang drove 98 down the LOS. Wood got an 8-yard push on 94. Scott went to the second level and hit 51, who eventually got in on the tackle. Stupar kept 55 out of the play. Fine had a half-hearted block on 58, who made the tackle.
Run 6: Jackson 12 yards through the right C gap
- Bell and Levitre doubled 91 and then Bell peeled and shoved 50 five more yards. Hang stood up 98. Wood chucked 98 and then hit 51 at the second level. 51 slipped his block and was in on the tackle. Scott got under 94's pads when he tried to move inside and wouldn't let him turn back to chase the play. Stupar drove 55 all over the field. Fine kind of ran in circles without blocking anyone.
Run 7: Jackson 6 yards through the left C gap
- Bell went to the second level and popped 50, who was in on the tackle. Levitre turned 91 in circles. Hang didn't follow 98 when he dropped back to chase the play. Wood chucked 98 and missed a filling 51. Scott locked up 94 and rode him down the LOS. Stupar did another solid job on 55 while Fine corralled 58.
Run 8: Xavier Omon 5 yards through the right C gap - Wood called for holding
- Bell got a 2-yard push on 94 with Levitre's help. Hang got a little push but lost his balance and fell, allowing 98 to get in on the tackle. Wood went to the second level and locked up 58 - very clearly without holding him. Scott drove 94 inside and was almost certainly the guy they called the hold on. It really didn't look like a hold, as the defender turned while being blocked, but was the sort of call the refs had promised to make this year. Stupar and Fine shut down 55 and 58 on either end of the line.
Pass 13: Fine 9 yards
- Bell and Levitre stopped 91 while Hang and Wood stopped 92. 94 turned Scott in a circle and got a run on Edwards.
Run 9: Jackson -3 yards through the left B gap against an 8-man front
- Bell and Levitre blew 50 and 51 well into the second level. 91 shot inside of Hang and made the TFL, killing the play. 92 got inside of Wood but not quickly enough to stop the run. Scott missed a cut on 94. Stupar was pushed back into the run lane by 53. Fine missed 41 at the second level.
Blitzes: 0
Stacked boxes: 1
Drive killed by: Hangartner's missed block on 91
Drive 4
Run 10: Jackson 4 yards through the left C gap - Stupar holding
- Bell chucked 91 then peeled and picked up 51 in the second level. Levitre turned 91 from the run lane and drove him 4 yards. Hang popped 98 and when they separated hit him again. Wood went to the second level and locked up 58, refusing to turn him loose to chase the play. Scott got a little push on 94. Stupar literally tackled 55 by the ankle when 55 shed his block. Fine kept a LB on the other side of the formation.
Pass 14: Fine 7 yards
- Bell allowed 91 to get under him and turn the corner. Levitre and Hang doubled 98. Wood pitched into 98 when no blitzers appeared. Scott stuffed 94.
Pass 15: Sack -12 yards
- 91 got around the corner to chase Edwards. Levitre and Hang kept 98 on the LOS. 94 knifed inside of Wood and got the sack. Scott hand fought with 93.
Pass 16: Horrible overthrow
- The line easily handled a 3-man rush
Blitzes: 0
Stacked box: 0
Drive killed by: Wood allowing the sack
Drive 5
Pass 17: Reed 10 yards against a 6-man blitz
- Scott beat 55 to the corner. Levitre pushed 91 away from the pass lane. 98 took himself out of the passing lane but then spun back inside to get to Edwards. Wood dropped back like a tackle but had no one to block. Scott fired into 94 like he was a guard.
Pass 18: Scramble for 11 yards against 5-man blitz
- Bell pushed 58 well past the corner. Levitre did an okay job on 91. Hang pushed 98 to 70 in order to pick up blitzing 55. Wood had 94 and pushed him to Scott to pick up 98. Scott shoved 94 to the ground.
Pass 19: Parrish for 5 yards against a 6-man blitz
- Bell chucked 91 but never looked at the blitzers (41 and 27). Levitre handled 91. Hang took 98 on a wide arc around Edwards. Wood helped Levitre with 91 and Scott beat 94 to the corner.
Pass 20: Intentional grounding (as good as a sack) against a 5-man blitz
- Bell kept 58 on the edge. 91 got around Levitre's outside shoulder leading to an uncalled hold. Hang was doing okay on 98 but then abandoned him to pick up a blitzing 55. 98 promptly tackled Edwards. Wood fell down while helping Scott with 94.
Pass 21: Evans 8 yards
- 91 threatened Bell upfield then came back inside to hit Edwards. Levitre and Hang doubled the DT. Wood had no one to block so he and Scott handled the DE.
Blitzes: 4
Stacked box: 0
Drive killed by: Hang leaving 98 to block a blitzer who Edwards may well have beaten to the outside of the pocket, making the intentional grounding a manageable 3rd-and-5.
Drive 6
Run 11: Jackson 6 yards through the left C gap
- Bell pulled and cut a filling 51. Levitre pulled really wide but wasn't fast enough to get in front of the play. Hang got inside of 98 and kept in from of him, shielding him from the play. Wood missed a cut on 98. 94 knifed inside Scott and chased the play from behind.
Run 12: Jackson 10 yards through the left C gap
- Bell drove 91 inside and then down. Levitre locked up 57 and drove him 7 yards. Hang popped 98 and turned him away from the run lane, then drove him 2 yards for good measure. Wood wouldn't let 94 of the LOS when he tried to chase the play. Scott popped 58 at the second level but 58 shed his block and was in on the tackle.
Pass 22: Thrown away
- The line again blocked like it was a run to the left while Edwards rolled out. The Saints were all over the play. So much for shelving a play that isn't working...
Pass 23: Incomplete long pass to T.O. against a 6-man blitz
- Bell kept 93 from making the turn at the corner. Levitre kept 91 near the LOS and hang took 98 on an outside arc around Edwards. Wood had no one to block and waited for a blitzer in his area. Scott did a good job keeping 94 from cutting inside and then stopped him when he tried to go outside instead. It wasn't a great pass - it seemed to be underthrown - but it also didn't seem that T.O. was overly interested in trying for it either. Give Edwards credit for going for the long pass when he knew T.O. would be open, even if it wasn't a good throw.
Pass 24: Fine -1 yard
- The Saints rushed 3 and the line easily contained it, particularly since Fine chipped 94 for Scott before going out on his useless pattern.
Blitzes: 1
Stacked box: 0
Drive killed by: Edwards' miss on the TO pass
Drive 7
Run 13: Jackson 4 yards thorugh the right C gap
- 91 jumped inside of Bell to chase the play. Levitre locked up 58 at the second level. Hang fell while trying to block a DT. Wood drove 94 3 yards and put him down. Scott chucked 94 then went to the second level and wiped out 51. Stupar helped Bell with 91 and Fine blocked 55 well enough to let Jackson get past.
Pass 25: Evans 11 yards against a 5-man blitz - defense late hit penalty
- Bell's LB fell before reaching the corner. Levitre stuffed 91's spin move. Hang stopped a DT. 94 slipped as soon as he made contact with Wood. Scott helped keep 94 down when 93 stunted away from him.
Pass 26: Evans 9 yards
- Bell never looked at a blitzing DB and really had no one (else) to block. Levitre, Hang and Wood easily stopped a pair of DTs. Scott, unlike Bell, learned from the earlier play in which 2 DTs and 2 DBs rushed and easily stuffed the DB rushing on the right side of the formation.
Run 14: Jackson 5 yards through the right C gap
- Bell drove 51 in a wide arc around the edge of the play after chipping 69. Levitre aggressively pitched into 69 when he tried to spin. Hang and Wood initially doubled 98 and then Wood peeled and pushed 58. 94 obligingly jumped inside of Scott so he drove him to the left side of the formation. Stupar tried to block 93 but wasn't fast enough. Fine did a good job on 55.
Run 15: Jackson -1 yard through the right C gap against an 8-man front
- Bell got under 69's pads and drove him down the LOS. Levitre pitched into 69 then went to the second and missed a block on 58. It looked like he grabbed and tried to hold 58 - uncalled. 98 worked inside of Hang and got in on the tackle. Wood dug 94 off of the LOS and back 2 yards. Scott fell down helping with 94. 55 shed Fine's block and made the TFL. Stupar crossed the formation and missed the block on a LB.
Pass 27: Edwards scramble for 2 yards - ticky tack personal foul on 69
- Bell pushed 69 inside like Bell was a guard. Levitre dropped back like a tackle to pick up a LB at the corner. Hang and Levitre doubled 94. Scott couldn't beat 32 to the corner, though at least he saw him and tried. Omon picked up 32.
Run 16: Jackson 5 yards through the A gap
- Bell chucked 91 then hit 51 at the second level. Levitre drove 91 three yards and put him down. Hang and Wood doubled 98. Hang turned him away from the play while Bell peeled and got enough of 55 to put him down. 69 jumped inside of Scott and almost had a TFL. Stupar kept 55 on the edge of the LOS and Fine neutralized 93.
Run 17: Jackson 2 yards through the left C gap
- Bell turned 91 inside and into the pile. Levitre hit 55 at the second level and drove him 5 yards. Hang got a bit of a push on 92 but 92 slipped his block and was in on the tackle. Wood blew 69 3 yards off the line and put him down. Scott chucked 69 then locked up a LB. Fine kept a LB on the edge of the LOS while Stupar let 58 run upfield and out of the play.
Pass 28: INT against a 5-man blitz
- Bell and Levitre doubled the DE. Hang stuffed a DT and Wood kept 69 from elevating. Scott picked up 58 at the corner. It was just a bad pass that looked like it hit the DB's hands. Once it was up in the air there were 8 or so Saints right there to make the INT.
Blitzes: 2
Stacked box: 1
Drive killed by: Edwards' INT
Drive 8
Pass 29: Thrown away
- The line easily handled the 3-man rush, but the 8 defenders meant there was no one open to throw to.
Run 18: Jackson 6 yards through the right B gap against an 8-man front
- Bell rode 91 across the formation. Levitre couldn't get in front of 92 to block him. Hang went to the second and flattened 51. Wood gave a little ground to 94 then cut him. Scott went to the second level and planted 50. Fine had a half-hearted block on 41, who was in on the tackle. Stupar locked up a LB.
Pass 30: -3 yard sack - Wood called for tripping
- Bell pushed 91 around the corner which would have been fine had Edwards not been stumbling around. 91 got the sack but it wasn't Bell's fault. Levitre put 58 down when Hang handed 58 to him. After handing off 58 Hang helped Scott with 94. Wood cut 92, unfortunately right into Edwards' feet, causing him to stumble and letting 91 sack him. The tripping call was completely bogus.
Blitzes: 0
Stacked box: 1
Drive killed by: Wood allowing the sack
Drive 9
Run 19: Jackson 4 yards through the right B gap against an 8-man front
- Bell missed the cut on 91. Levitre pulled and plowed into the scrum. Hang got an initial stiff arm on 98 and popped him again as 98 reached the point of attack (POA). Wood pulled and nailed a LB at the second level. Scott pulled and took out a LB at the POA. Fine shielded 55 from the play and Stupar did an okay job on 94 at the POA.
Pass 31: Evans 3 yards (Seriously? Gazelles running in between rhinos?)
- Bell beat 55 to the corner. Levitre took a DT to the inside. Hang set to block 98 but 98 dropped into coverage. Wood had no one to block. Scott took on a DE early and slowed him to a crawl.
Pass 32: Overthrow to T.O.
- Bell beat 91 to the corner while the rest of the line stuffed twisting DTs. Fine was left to handle a DE on his own, which he did just fine (pun). T.O. was open but the pass was just a yard or so too long. It was a TD waiting to happen.
Blitzes: 0
Stacked box: 1
Drive killed by: Edwards' inaccurate throw
Drive 10
Pass 33: Reed 12 yard against a 5-man blitz - Wood called for being downfield
- Chambers, in for Bell for the rest of the game, pushed 69 past the corner. Levitre and Hang planted 92. Wood abused a blitzing 20, again pretending to be a tackle. Scott, pretending to be a guard, pushed 94 into 92.
Pass 34: Fine 11 yards
- The line easily stuffed a 3-man rush.
Pass 35: Fine drop against a 5-man blitz
- Chambers hit 41 and pushed him into the DT. Levitre and Hang doubled the DT. Wood had no one to block and Scott beat the DE to the corner.
Pass 36: Reed 8 yards against a 6-man blitz
- Chambers went to the corner with 91, who then beat him back to the inside. Levitre and Hang doubled 98. Wood picked up a blitzing LB and Scott stuffed a LB on the LOS. Needing 2 scores with only 7 or 8 minutes in the game 4th-and-1 seems like a pretty good bet...
Blitzes: 3
Stacked box: 0
Drive killed by: Fine's drop
Drive 11
Pass 37: Owens incomplete out of bounds against a 5-man blitz
- Chambers stuffed 41. Levitre pushed 91 to Hang who stopped him. Wood had no one to block and Scott beat the DE to the corner. It sure looked like Owens could have gotten both feet down instead of just going out of bounds. He can cry all he wants about his ‘consecutive games with a catch' streak (which is complete and total BS since he has missed games due to injury) coming to an end, but this was the second time in the game he had a ball on his hands and didn't make the reception.
Pass 38: Sack -5 yards
- Chambers kept 91 from turning the corner. Levitre had no one to block. Hang was destroyed by 98 for the sack. Wood tried to help with 98 when Hang went down, but wasn't fast enough. Scott kept 98 on the edge.
Pass 39: Sack -8 yards against 6-man blitz
- Chambers stopped 20. Levitre stuffed 91 despite the fact that 91 had, and kept, his hand under Levitre's facemask - uncalled illegal hands to the face. Hang circled 98 around the QB. Wood helped with 98. Scott was beaten around the corner by 94 for the sack.
Pass 40: Jackson 12 yards
- The line easily managed the 3 man rush.
Blitzes: 2
Stacked box: 0
Drive killed by: Owens' drop
Drive 12
Run 20: Jackson for no gain through the right C gap
- 59 slipped Chambers' block and made the tackle. Levitre pressed 92 into 97, who was being stood up by Hang. Wood and Scott sealed 92, 97 and a LB to open the run lane. Fine ignored a run blitzing DB who was in on the tackle.
Pass 41: Reed no gain
- The line easily stopped 3 defensive linemen while Fine and Jackson took on a LB.
Pass 42: Thrown away against a 7-man blitz
- Chambers stopped a LB. Levitre hit 92 who then backed out and stunted. Hang stood up a DT. 20 got inside of Wood who then held him grievously - uncalled. Scott beat 39 to the corner but when Edwards was flushed 39 was in position to chase him.
Grades
| Player | Run | Pass |
| D. Bell | 77.1 | 72.6 |
| K. Chambers | 55.0 | 72.8 |
| A. Levitre | 78.0 | 74.5 |
| G. Hangartner | 73.0 | 74.0 |
| E. Wood | 80.0 | 73.1 |
| J. Scott | 73.0 | 73.1 |
I wouldn't read too much into Chambers' 55%. He was in for exactly one run play and it was a bad one for him. Of greater concern are the combined 18 bad pass plays the line had. The Saints had the equivalent of 5 sacks, an awful lot for a team not exactly renowned for defensive prowess. Look for defenses to begin to mimic some of the rushes the Saints threw at the Bills, specifically rushing 2 DBs and 2 DLs. Bell never did figure those out.
| Run plays by gap | ||||
| LC | LB | A | RB | RC |
| 5-28 | 2--1 | 3-8 | 3-14 | 7-29 |
| 5.6 ypa | -0.5 ypa | 2.7 ypa | 4.7 ypa | 4.1 ypa |
As with Chambers' 55% I wouldn't worry too much about the dismal -0.5 ypa in the left B gap as the team only ran there twice. The yards were there to be had, though it seemed that Buffalo got away from the run game. Quite often it was out of necessity as someone created a negative play. That, in turn, led to bad down and distance combinations in terms of rushing.
On that note, there was a piece Brian wrote yesterday regarding unforced errors, and the Bills made many of them. I was appalled at how many times Edwards was reduced to picking up snaps from the turf during the game. That should be automatic, but apparently isn't with the Bills. I counted 7 bad snaps, or one out of every six passes. When the passing game is predicated on quick reads, it doesn't help that the QB has to spend the first second of the play looking down at his feet.
Drops continue to be a problem, as do errant passes from Edwards. Drops led to several punts, while bad throws cost the team at least 10 points - the INT stopped at least a tying field goal, and Edwards' overthrow of T.O. would have been a go-ahead touchdown. Buffalo can't afford to let those opportunities slip away.
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Thanks Ron
Stellar, as per usual. Wish I could say the same for the offense.
by NickinRoc on Sep 29, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Always a great read Ron – I wasn’t around here last season, but it seems this year there are way more drops then in previous years. Anyone able to compare those numbers?
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by Ghetts on Sep 29, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would have assumed Wood's "grade" would be much lower. He did allow 2 sacks.
by Jaynice on Sep 29, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least one of those flags was undeserved; Wood wasn’t guilty of tripping.
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by Ron From NM on Sep 29, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i agree with that, but still, the flag was thrown…
i’m a notre dame fan two, and these past few weeks have been horrendous. I think i’ve seen about 30 unwarranted flags on the offensive lines between the two of them so far this season.
by quantumuprising on Sep 30, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Expect more flags. The league flat out stated that there would be more flags thrown on the offensive line this year. If refs are going in with some kind of quota then they’re going to wind up tagging guys who really aren’t doing anything illegal.
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by Ron From NM on Sep 30, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he tied for the lowest pass pro grade, did he not?
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 29, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL derp. No, he did not. Footmouth. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 29, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, but I don’t think you can directly compare the grades. I think tackles have tougher pass blocking assignments, so you could make the argument that Wood was the worst pass blocker despite the slightly higher grade.
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by kaisertown on Sep 29, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wood had no good plays, 38 decent ones and 4 bad ones. As you noted, his bad plays were really bad but I count all bad plays as 55%. The high number of decent plays kept his grade from looking too awful. I also keep track of who is killing drives and Wood has killed 2 so far this season. By way of comparison Bell has killed 3 and Hang has killed 2.
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by Ron From NM on Sep 29, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely splendid job as always Ron, and it certainly confirms what we all already knew about the performance of the O-line last week; a dreadful one for the most part, especially in terms of pass-protecting. The five guys up front seemed incohesive and just didn’t seem like a proper organized unit like against the Pats and Bucs. We’ll need them to get back to grinding it against the Phins, if Trent is going to be succesful.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Sep 29, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Those bad snaps have to be a result of Hangartner’s back bothering him.
Dropped passes will be the death of Trent Edwards this season. No, I don’t think he’s a franchise QB, but I still say he’s good enough to lead this team. The drops are going to kill him if they continue.
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Sep 29, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or maybe he’s just got those tiny little hands that don’t let him enjoy a whopper.
by quantumuprising on Sep 29, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That must be T.O.‘s problem. We knew he’d had drop issues before, so this shouldn’t come as a complete surprise. But man, he’s gotta grab at least 2 of the 3 decent passes thrown his way. Tomorrow, as they say, is a new day.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Sep 29, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching him during the game...his body mechanics are very "I DONT CARE"
by Jaynice on Sep 29, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He actually walked through more than one called run play.
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by Ron From NM on Sep 29, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its very easy to diagnose a run play right away – watch TO. If he gets off the line, its a pass play. However, on almost every run play, unless its a sweep run right at him, he just kinda goes oh, the ball was snapped, i guess ill move.
Also, i blame that first downfield pass on TO- that ball was in a perfect spot to split the safety and the corner and he never looked up and found it.
by quantumuprising on Sep 30, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much time does Edwards need to throw a decent pass? 30 sec? Sheesh? Under-thrown, over-thrown?
by Jaynice on Sep 29, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
People have to remember
this is a very young and inexperienced OL – it’s going to take some time for them to jell as a unit and we’ll take our lumps more often than not their first year. I’m optimistic about them, in the long run, though.
As for Edwards, if I’m the Dolphins, I do what the Saints. did – blitz the hell out of him until he shows everyone he can handle it.
by ccthemovieman on Sep 29, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your right!!!!
I do feel that the talent is there and once the unit does jell…we are going to have a beast of an offensive line. Everyone keeps saying bring this guy in, bring this guy in…but does that really solve the problem of having a unit that works together as a unit. These guys have the foundation…they just need to grow. I really like Kugler and Ray Brown. They should get it together.
by Jaynice on Sep 29, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for Edwards, if I’m the Dolphins, I do what the Saints. did – blitz the hell out of him until he shows everyone he can handle it.
Look for it to happen. I’ll be curious to see if the Dolphins also load the box on run plays or if they send a lot of DB blitzes like the Saints did.
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by Ron From NM on Sep 29, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dolphins do have a pair of big physical safeties. I’d expect exactly that.
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by kaisertown on Sep 29, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t look from your analysis, Ron, that Scott dropped his donut in the dirt. Not great, but not horrible, either.
by LeClaireBill on Sep 29, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True...he did about the same as the regular starters in my opinion. You would have thought the 2 sacks and the 3 penalities would have been all him. Nope.
by Jaynice on Sep 29, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I like Scott and I am also biased. I am a Texas fan...nothing wrong with having a Texas mentality...they win ball games.
by Jaynice on Sep 29, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if they’re going to blitz AVP needs to bring an actual game-plan to the game and obviously the O-line needs to provide Trent with time and Trent needs to deliver the football to the open WR’s (and take chances down the field to Lee and Terrell). I think we’re a better football team than the Phins, especially on offense, where we have much more fire power, but this team needs to play lights year better on offense to stand a chance against anybody. Get it fixed AVP
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Sep 29, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
disagree...
Everyone keeps saying bring this guy in, bring this guy in…but does that really solve the problem of having a unit that works together as a unit. These guys have the foundation…they just need to grow.
I disagree with this…I mean I get what you’re saying but do you see them growing under Jauron cuz I sure don’t. I feel like the Bills have given tremendous effort in all 3 games so far and their coach is holding them back from doing good things.
by NickinRoc on Sep 29, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I mean I get what you’re saying but do you see them growing under Jauron cuz I sure don’t.
OMG. Jauron doesn’t coach these guys, KUGLER does.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 29, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s also been three games. You can’t expect a group of players like the OL to noticeably improve each week. Considering where Levitre and Wood were in training camp compared to where they are now, I think there’s growth. And I’m assuming that Bell didn’t go from super raw 7th round pick to not terrible starting LT without some help from the coaching staff.
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by kaisertown on Sep 29, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great work as always Ron.
Just skimming over the blitzes and results, it looks like the Bills O played poorly against 4 man rushes and even worse when they blitzed. Awesome job team. I was hoping to take something positive away, but I’m not seeing it.
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by kaisertown on Sep 29, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stellar as usual....
Pass 24: Fine -1 yard
- The Saints rushed 3 and the line easily contained it, particularly since Fine chipped 94 for Scott before going out on his useless pattern.
On a 3rd and 10, this is the kind of garbage we see….ugh
I’m surprised we didn’t see any rollouts. Those can help cover a shaky OL occasionally.
Miami should blitz the crap out of these guys, because it’ll probably work. Edwards has shown zero capability of calling out, recognizing and hitting hot routes. I see other QB’s around the league zipping slants or just quick throws to the WR. Trent still takes his normal drops and doesn’t have time to throw because of it.
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by Kurupt on Sep 29, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We did see rollouts. Unfortunately, the Saints had seem them on film before heading to Buffalo and were ready for them.
The weird thing is that Trent Edwards was great against the blitz last year so teams kept dropping 7 and 8 into coverage. This year he’s not doing nearly as well but the sudden team-wide case of the dropsies has a lot to do with it. If Buffalo cleans up the unforced errors Edwards could shred a blitzing defense.
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by Ron From NM on Sep 29, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the sudden team-wide case of the dropsies has a lot to do with it
Yup, these are not Edwards’ fault but they will kill his career if the WR corps doesn’t clean up its act.
I remain convinced that somehow Drew Rosenhaus negotiated a playing time deal for Roscoe into the contract for TO.
by thefourwinds on Sep 29, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised reading this recap that there were so many drops and I watched the game. That stinks.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 30, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then what is it exactly that Jauron does?
I’m aware that Kugler coaches the OLine and Sanders coaches the DLine. So if he’s not coaching then what exactly is he doing? I’ve never seen him do anything on the sidelines other than clap and occasionally mumble into his headset. And let me be clear, I don’t need him to be yelling and getting in players faces all the time. I just don’t get what his purpose is on the team? Instill discipline? Most penalties in the league. Clock management? I won’t even go there. Adjustments at halftime? This post would get really ugly if I delve into that topic.
I’m sorry but I’m just so frustrated with the direction of this team and Dick Jauron that its sucked the life out of me. I apologize for the venting.
by NickinRoc on Sep 29, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well…
a) I was being a little tongue-in-cheek.
b) If you’re going to blame a coach for the future, still-undetermined lack of growth from a young offensive line that has literally played one game together, put it on Kugler AND Jauron, at the very least.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 29, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask yourself what your CEO does – same thing……
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by J2 on Sep 29, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adjustments at halftime? This post would get really ugly if I delve into that topic.
What schematic adjustments are you looking for? What would an adjustment look like to you? The no adjustments thing is ridiculous. Even the DJ bashers around here give him credit for preparing his team during the week and yet Buffalo typically starts slow. They had a bunch of comeback victories and great 2nd halves last year, but apparantly, Jauron doesn’t make adjustments. I don’t get it. I feel like Jauron’s status as a coach has become a political issue and the anti-DJ party is just using the same talking points over and over and over again regardless of what changes from week to week and regardless of how the rest of the blog responds to them.
I don’t know football well enough to know how much a team is adjusting and there’s only so much I can see by watching a game once on TV anyways. I know that I’ve seen this team rush four, get no pressure and then start blitzing and I know I’ve seen this team blitz, give up some pass plays and stop blitzing. But watching TV, I can’t tell if this team is mixing up coverage schemes or not and I don’t pay enough attention to tell where they are lining up safeties and playing chess with the opponent.
Is everybody but me watching the routes the WRs run on every play and noticing a lack of change and adjustment? Is anybody really paying attention to how much help the TEs and RBs are giving the OL when things are going bad and how much the team is letting the OL do the heavy lifting when they’re playing well? What adjustments is this team failing to make, or does this team simply look the same and we assume they aren’t adjusting? What team doesn’t always look the same to it’s fans who watch them play over and over and over again? Syracuse basketball always looks the same to me. Sometimes they play well, sometimes they don’t, but I can’t tell when they are running different offensive plays. The Sabres always look the same to me, I have no clue when they’re telling their centers and/or defenseman to push the play or be a little more defensive minded.
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by kaisertown on Sep 29, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what my problem is...
I need to stop watching his postgame press conferences. They send my blood pressure through the roof.
by NickinRoc on Sep 29, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why? because he doesn’t kick the ‘fridge, throw a beer through the window and then point the blame finger on an aspect of his team?
i’ve said it a gazillion times, and i’ll throw it out again – Bills fans on the whole hate Jauron because he doesn’t fly off the handle and knee jerk to every sunday like they do. Is he boring? Sure. So is Bellichek. So was Bill Walsh. Fans are understandably pissed.
When they see Jauron not pissed, even calm – they get more pissed. And lose their sense of logic. Gets goofier by the week.
Please explain how Jauron having a spastic fit would help the team play better. In detail, please..
by LeClaireBill on Sep 29, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, gentlemen, if we could keep this O-Line centric, that’d be much appreciated. There are other threads here – keysh has a nice FanPost running right now – that are Dick Jauron-centric.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 29, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As in baseball...
A manager throws a tirade on the field and gets tossed from the game to get his players fired up. He has to show some emotion…not saying he must go ballistic with every loss, but he doesn’t look too bothered by the loss or poor play. Its the same demeanor whether the Bills win or lose. That has to carry over to the attitude of the players who follow his lead. How can they get fired up over a win or get pissed off at a loss when the coach is so dead-pan?
by JTM1023 on Sep 29, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Jim Mora's voice...Playoff? You wanna talk about Playoffs?
We don’t want that type of postgame press conferences EVER.
by Jaynice on Sep 29, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Few Questions for Ron
1) Would you give a general statement on the Bell, Levitre and Wood? Such as if they seem to be long term and good players….
2) Do you feel that running inside is our greatest strength now because of the new youth?
3) Are there any running plays that you can tell that just always work for us?
4) Who has surprised you the most? (I will assume Levitre, but I hope it’s Bell)
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by J2 on Sep 29, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1. It’s too early to tell about the long term prospects for Bell, Levitre and Wood. The initial signs are better for Wood and Levitre than they are for Bell. However, that could have something to do with the fact that they play guard while Bell plays tackle.
2. Inside running is clearly not Buffalo’s greatest strength at this point. For the season Buffalo has 5.2 ypa in each C gap while the A gap average for the season is 3.3 ypa. Of course, I don’t know that you can really isolate gap running to players in those gaps with great precision. After all, what does it matter how well the LT and LG block if the RB is tackled in the backfield because the RG didn’t get his job done.
3. Buffalo has found a nice groove (dating to last season) with a wide toss play to either side of the formation. The tackle pulls almost to the sideline and the guard pulls to the inside of the tackle. The TEs are responsible for picking up a DE and a LB. The Bills don’t overuse the play and it tends to pick up some good yardage when it is called. With that said, I’d love to see Buffalo pound it between the tackles against Miami. If only Buffalo had a FB worthy of the position…
4. Levitre really stood out in the Patriots game with an 82.4% (78.8% over the 3 games) grade on run plays. He still leads all linemen with good run plays (23) with Wood (17) being his nearest competition. As can be expected from a rookie, he is also tied for the lead in bad run plays (9) with Bell and Hang; Wood (8) is close behind. Levitre and Wood are currently tied at 73.7% on passing plays. Bell’s current 72.4 % on pass plays (Scott is at 73.5%) isn’t going to get the job done.
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by Ron From NM on Sep 29, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that toss could win a trophy
based on a 2 TE set
the play action KILLS
the FB option keeps it real
the trap? try it
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by the Uncommon Denominator on Sep 30, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s really important – as you point out – is that Demetrius steps up his sloppy game (he’ll end up with approx 20 false starts, when the season is done, if he continues, which obviously is an incredibly bad number for a LT). He needs to avoid making 2-3 stupid penalties every game and in addition just do a better job technique-wise of handling rushers; that’s btw. on Sean Kugler and Ray Brown to make sure he gets that.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Sep 30, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is buffalo going to try to win this game, or try not to lose it. I said in other posts that Juaron becomes mind locked . this may not be true. what he does is have no faith in his offense so he tosses it to the defense to save the game not win it. Jauron looks at a tie like he was playing in the NHL not NFL. I do not know if van pelt would win, but he would at least try
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by crazyoldmen on Sep 30, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff guys, or Ron.
I think it would be awesome if you could do that for the Saints every week too?
Everyone, ESPECIALLY the broadcasters were talking about how Sean Payton “called out the D-line”. I don’t know how this will make you feel…but we have been dissapointed in our DE’s play pretty much all of last year and up until last Sunday.
I was having a hard time determining, was it motivation, was it crappy young opposition, was it because Charles Grant ate an extra bowl of Lucky Charms? Of course we still don’t know, but like every thing else, it probably has a little to do with all of them.
I’m curious to see if this carries over for us, or was this a one-hit wonder. How do you guys grade our d-line compared to the others?
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by asaint on Sep 30, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Payton may have called out the defensive line but he didn’t leave the game on their shoulders. The Saints blitzed often, taking pressure off of the defensive line.
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by Ron From NM on Sep 30, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron,
Hang was in the whole game, right? Some people were saying Wood replaced him. Also, you mention the bad snaps but was there an obvious reason for them that you saw or was he just messing up?
Thanks man.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 30, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hang was in for the entire game. I’m at a loss to explain his sudden problem with snapping the ball. Trent was having to pick some of the snaps up off of his shoes—not the way a QB reading blitz before the snap wants to spend the beginning of the play… Let’s hope Buffalo gets it resolved this week.
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