Oher - Bills could use him now!
by BuffaloWhiner on Sep 29, 2009 10:08 AM EDT
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PrintThey had the Ravens coach on NFL radio and they said in every preseason game and the first 3 regular season games Oher has graded out as their top OL. He even said they didn't expect him to be this good this soon.
Another fine job by the Bills' front office. According to Peter King in his Monday Morning QB column, OT Michael Oher is lighting it up in Baltimore and is an early candidate for offensive rookie of the year. He was available to the Bills, at a need position, after the trading of Jason Peters. Many draft experts say the Bills could have actually traded down to get Oher from their #11 position.
Meanwhile, #11 pick Aaron Maybin has had little or no impact as a situational pass rusher.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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It’s easy now to question it… Especially in light of the fact that Walker went walking a week prior to the start of the season. The Bills needed to improve their Pass rush almost as much as they needed a LT, so again, it’s easy to say this now.
The season is young and so is Maybin, let make this assessment at the end of the season or maybe even at the end of next year. Bell does have some potential and he’s looked better each game. We knew that it would be a difficult season on the Oline, lots of ups & downs. I don’t believe for one second that we are one LT away from being dominant, our issues are with the QB/OC/HC
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Really?
we are going to start saying that the Bills front office dropped the ball on Maybin after 3 games? this isn’t the time to evaluate our draft picks. we need to give each of them a chance over the course of the season. Maybin is a 21 year old rookie who’s playing behind 2 guys that are actually playing decent right now. could Oher help us this year, yes given that our right tackle is out for the year but he probably wouldn’t have started over Butler.
Oye vey.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 29, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
give it up people
its getting old and lame. its three weeks into the season, I guess the Bills should have foreseen a season ending injury to Butler. I think Bell is coming along fine. Those are two good tackles. Yikes.
Everyone all off-season was whining how we are never going to address the pass rush unless we take a DE at pick 11. Well they did. With all due respect BuffaloWhiner, give it a rest will ya?
If you want to whine about something, whine about how the Bills front office dropped the ball not signing Levi Jones or Jon Runyan yet.
We got your back Leodis!
I think he just didn’t like the Maybin pick. First he was complaining that we didn’t take Orakpo, now he has obviously moved onto Oher.
Side Note
Zumone, Poz, Kurupt, and anybody else who has that same avatar, somebody has to switch it up a little. I keep getting you guys confused.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
mm'kay
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Well you all didn’t have to change, (or you could have told me to piss off)
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Well I had forgotten I had it up so I needed the reminder. Plus, in the two game we all had them up, Leo got injured in both…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 29, 2009 4:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Plus, in the two game we all had them up, Leo got injured in both…
Great point. Maybe everyone who has him as an avatar should change it…..
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
But what if only one of them is the bad luck guy and by all of them switching the avatar, they’ve doomed Leo to a worse fate?
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
The humanity! We could doom his career!
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
I completely agree and I’ll go ahead and pat myself on the back for wanting Oher all along and thinking that an OT at 11 set up the draft better than any other position. And I feel ok doing that because my experience doing mock offseasons has left me realizing that I’m wrong about that kind of stuff more often than I’m right.
Buffalowhiner, I’m starting to think that you’ve got to do a mock offseason next time around. I’ll set it up and find out the salary numbers that everybody will make in 2010 and there’s plenty of info out there about free agents and draft prospects. It’s really easy to play the could have should have game, but let’s see you try to go through an actual offseason and not regret half your decisions.
Maybe a fantasy football draft is a good comparison for people. Everybody who has played fantasy and has looked back at the draft at some point during the season knows how easy it is to pass over on great players for guys who are less than great.
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Here is mine....not sure it wouldn't have been better for the Bills, and I still like Maybin
Final Mock before the Draft
- This is what I think the Bills will do, not what I would do if I were GM. Assumes we trade Peters for a 1st round draft pick somewhere before the Falcons at #24.
1st (11) – LT – Michael Oher, Ole Miss – Peter’s replacement. Best LT likely to be left on the board. Any of the LTs’ Brian listed 1-4 will due. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/4/8/826529/ranking-the-nfl-drafts-offensive
1st (28) – TE – Brandon Pettigrew – God…that hurt to type. Bills like him and he will help improve the blocking on our newly remodeled O-line.
2nd (42) – Center/Guard, Mack, Unger, or Wood in that order. I think the Bills value versatility in their linemen. The Bills will not have a shot at Mack and will be lucky if Wood or Unger are left. Start him at guard and move him to center in a year or two if Hangartner doesn’t perform as expected.
3rd (75) – SS – Chip Vaughn, Wake Forest – K.O. gets knocked out. Whitner moves to FS. Vaughn should be able to earn the starting SS spot by next season at the latest. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/4/13/832306/rumblings-scouting-report-wake
4th (110) – DE – Phillip Hunt, Houston – This guy screams Bills pick. Kid from a small school who has a great motor, attitude, and lots of potential. See K’s scouting report. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/3/25/809611/rumblings-scouting-report
5th (147) – DT – Terrance Knighton ,Temple – I refuse to pin my hope on Big Jon McBusto. Even if McCargo does manage to live up to half his potential, he is not the rock that Knighton is. At 6’ 3" and 321 lbs, he has the "beef" to be the run stuffer we have been missing since the Bills let Pat Williams walk out the door. "Knighton’s large body and fair athleticism is coveted by NFL scouts. The 2008 first-team All-MAC pick contributed heavily as a true freshman (after a post-graduate year at Milford Academy) before earning the starting nod in each of the next three seasons. He averaged 56 tackles, 7.5 for loss and four pass breakups from 2006-2008, while recovering six fumbles and blocking four kicks over the past two years. Teams looking for a one-gap 4-3 nose tackle will be most interested in Knighton." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/559908
6th (183) – OLB, Lee Robinson, Alcorn State – "Good height and bulk…Above average athleticism…Decent speed with a burst to close…Does a great job in pursuit…Has a fantastic motor…A good pass rusher…Durable…Hard worker…Team leader…Productive. http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Lee-Robinson.php
7th (220) – DE, Pannel Egboh, Stanford – He went to Stanford…..how can Jauron resist an Ivy Leaguer? "Legitimate NFL frame. … Well-built athlete with the frame to add an additional 10-15 pounds without significant loss of quickness. … At least adequate initial quickness off the snap. … Uses his long arms well to fend off the blockers and disengage. … Good key-and-diagnose skills. … Team defender who understands his responsibility and fights to keep contain. … Reads the action and has the flexibility to break down in space and make the tackle at the line of scrimmage. … Good strength. … Plays with good leverage despite his height and can push the tackle into the quarterback’s passing lane. … Athletic enough to occasionally be used on the zone blitz. … Four-year starter." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/516974
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
oooops....my bad....I cut and pasted the wrong one
Final Mock before the Draft with Pettigrew vs Ayers poll
- This is what I think the Bills will do, not what I would do if I were GM.
1st (11) – LT – Andre Smith, Alabama – Peter’s replacement. Many of the Mocks I have seen have Smith falling past us, and I would prefer to skip all the potential drama and take Oher. But, it is reported the Bills like Smith better than Oher, and the 49ers (SOBs, I am still mad at them for taking Willis) may take Oher before us at #10. The Bills are in win now mode and roll the dice on Smith.
1st (28) – DE – Robert Ayers, Tennessee – I think this pick will be Ayers or Matthews, with Matthews most likely not lasting this long. The lack of top notch talent at DE in this years draft along with its depth of average talent will cause teams to wait on taking a DE, so Ayers should still be there at #28. As much as the Bills would like to see Brandon Pettigrew here, I doubt it. The Eagles wouldn’t give us their #21 (I don’t buy we didn’t want it) either because they needed it to trade for Boldin or because they want Pettigrew for themselves. If the Eagles do pass on Pettigrew, I doubt the Falcons will at #24. If both Ayers and Pettigrew are there…..hummm….. I smell a poll question.
2nd (42) – Center/Guard, Mack, Unger, or Wood in that order. I think the Bills value versatility in their linemen. The Bills will not have a shot at Mack and will be lucky if Wood or Unger are left. Start him at guard and move him to center in a year or two if Hangartner doesn’t perform as expected. If the Bills trade for Waters, it could change this pick, but until then it stays as is.
3rd (75) – SS – Chip Vaughn, Wake Forest – K.O. gets knocked out. Whitner moves to FS. Vaughn should be able to earn the starting SS spot by next season at the latest. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/4/13/832306/rumblings-scouting-report-wake
4th (110) – OLB – Tyrone McKenzie, South Florida – He should be able to beat out Ellison and start day one in Crowell’s old spot. "Positives: Some versatility to play inside and in space. … “Sam” linebacker who lines up in the stack and nine-techniques. … Holds his ground adequately against tackles on outside run plays, can shed to turn play inside or make the tackle. … Breaks down in the open, and can wrap up elusive runners in space. … Brings his hips to hit ballcarriers straight on, and will put his helmet on the ball to create a turnover. … Gets a fair punch on tight ends to knock them off the line, and stays with them in coverage. … Will chase and hustle downfield, giving second or third effort on inside runs plays to get to the ball.
Negatives: Could be considered a bit of an inside-outside “tweener” by NFL teams. … Not especially fluid dropping into coverage. … Comes out of the game in nickel situations and probably will do so in the NFL. … Not quick enough to corral slot receivers in zones. … Doesn’t have the great strength or bulk to fight his way through trash inside." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1279457
4th (121) – TE – Anthony Hill, North Carolina St. – At 6’ 5" and 262 lbs, he is Pettigrew without the hype and will help improve the blocking on our newly remodeled O-line. "Outstanding size and bulk…Has a huge frame with long arms…Tough and physical…Excellent strength…An outstanding blocker…Stout at the point and gets a good push…Soft, reliable hands…Can be a threat in the redzone…Works well in traffic and can take a hit…Understands how to get open…May offer some versatility…Has a lot of experience." http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/te/Anthony-Hill.php
5th (147) – DT – Terrance Knighton ,Temple – I refuse to pin my hope on Big Jon McBusto. Even if McCargo does manage to live up to half his potential, he is not the rock that Knighton is. At 6’ 3" and 321 lbs, he has the "beef" to be the run stuffer we have been missing since the Bills let Pat Williams walk out the door. "Knighton’s large body and fair athleticism is coveted by NFL scouts. The 2008 first-team All-MAC pick contributed heavily as a true freshman (after a post-graduate year at Milford Academy) before earning the starting nod in each of the next three seasons. He averaged 56 tackles, 7.5 for loss and four pass breakups from 2006-2008, while recovering six fumbles and blocking four kicks over the past two years. Teams looking for a one-gap 4-3 nose tackle will be most interested in Knighton." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/559908
6th (183) – OG, Roger Allen – I really wanted to put our favorite FB, Johnson, back in this spot, but then I remembered this mock was supposed to be what the Bills would do. I liked Allen from Brian’s mock, so I decided to steal him. "Good size and bulk with long arms…Excellent strength and power…A great initial punch…Aggressive and super competitive…Plays with a nasty demeanor and finishes his blocks…Gets a fantastic push in the run game…Stout at the point of attack…Good balance…Nice instincts and awareness…A terrific work ethic…Tough and will play through pain…Durable…Has a lot of experience…Very mature…A team leader." http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/Roger-Allen.php
7th (220) – DE, Pannel Egboh, Stanford – He went to Stanford…..how can Jauron resist an Ivy Leaguer? "Legitimate NFL frame. … Well-built athlete with the frame to add an additional 10-15 pounds without significant loss of quickness. … At least adequate initial quickness off the snap. … Uses his long arms well to fend off the blockers and disengage. … Good key-and-diagnose skills. … Team defender who understands his responsibility and fights to keep contain. … Reads the action and has the flexibility to break down in space and make the tackle at the line of scrimmage. … Good strength. … Plays with good leverage despite his height and can push the tackle into the quarterback’s passing lane. … Athletic enough to occasionally be used on the zone blitz. … Four-year starter." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/516974
Poor ball security leads to very painful outcomes
agreed
i said this a long time ago. i wasn’t even sure may\bin was better than orakpo or brown. oher was the pick there. pairing him with wood would have been like when the jets drafted ferguson and mangold. would of solidified the line for years but they went with a big time project in maybin. maybin ran a 4.8 at the combine, slightly undersized, one dimensional, and he wasn’t even a starter on his college team to start the year. with all that said… i still think maybin could be a very good player but he is def a project and i wouldn’t expect anything from him until atleast next season.
Last time i will make this point it is getting old. we have who have and gotta try to win with the team we got.
Oher would probably be out for the yr for us
Because if we had Oher we wouldn’t have Eric Wood. Brad Butler would be at RG and Bell would probably still be at LT. Bell gets beaten by the defender and later falls over his man rolling into the back of Oher’s knee ending his season…
Because if we had Oher we wouldn’t have Eric Wood.
We wouldn’t have Maybin. We still very well could have picked Wood at 28th overall, like we did.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I would have preffered Oher over Maybin.
I liked Oher from the beginning, someone who has went through what he has on his journey, knows nothing is guranteed.
The Bills understood to justify the Tampa 2, they needed 1 DL who could draw a double team, and they felt Maybin was the one, he may be good someday, but he is not gonna have a rookie year like Jevon Kearse did, what is what the Bills really needed. Being a junior entering the draft, I was skeptical, and even more so now.
I would have liked to seen Oher taken instead of Maybin, and Wood taken where he was.
I think Maybin will eventually do what they hoped, I just think it will be 2-3 years from now. He needs to bulk up some more to be a every down starter, and needs to get some pass rushing moves in his repetoire besides the speed rush, and that will take some coaching and time.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 1, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions
Three games into his career Ryan Leaf was 2-1.
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3 games into his career
Bruce Smith had 0 sacks,
Why do you think Aaron Maybin’s early failures has anything to do with Ryan Leaf’s early success?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2009 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Buffalo Whiner seems ready to say passing on Michael Oher was a huge blunder for the Bills after three games. Well after 3 games Peyton Manning was 0-3 and Ryan Leaf was 2-1 so man it must have been a huge blunder passing on that awesome Leaf kid for this scrub Manning.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 3, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
OK , I see what you are getting at now.
I thought the Bruce Smith 0 sacks in first 3 games was a better comparison as comparing QBs and DEs is apples and oranges.
It really depends on what the front office was thinking on if it was a blunder or not.
If they were counting on production this year out of the #11 pick. It could be a blunder.
I think Maybin could be very good someday, I just think he is too green to help much this year.
If they were thinking he could put up rookie totals in sacks like Jevon Kearse did his rookie year, that thinking is way off base. Jevon Kearse had about the best rookie season I have seen for a DE in my memory, and if i’m not mistaken, he was taken at #14, but more seasoned in college.
If they were thinking we hope he can help us this season, but if he doesn’t he’ll eventually give us that one guy who will draw a double team to make this Tampa 2 really work, they are probably right.
I myself preffered Oher, what he went through is the epitome of toughness and I felt he could help us now. I really didn’t think Maybin would help us this year. But his physical skills like his jump off the ball, I think he will be a pass rushing force 2-3 years from now and a decent contributor next year, but I think it’s gonna take some time, he is just too green and needs alot of coaching to excell at the NFL level at this point.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 4, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
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