PFT: Turk Schonert out in Buffalo, Van Pelt in
by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 11:52 AM EDT
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Mike Florio at ProFootballTalk.com is reporting that Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator Turk Schonert is no longer the offensive coordinator of the Buffalo Bills. Schonert has been relieved of those duties. Florio also reports in an update that quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt will assume coordinator responsibilities.
This move is hardly surprising, considering we'd already heard rumors that patience was wearing thin with Schonert, and considering how abysmal the team's offense has been in the pre-season.
Buffalo's offense has been terrible this pre-season; Trent Edwards carries a quarterback rating of 46.9 into the regular season, the first unit did not score an offensive touchdown (but did turn it over five times), and in the last three weeks in particular, did not come close to resembling a competent NFL offense. Van Pelt's first charge will be getting his troops - bolstered by the return of WR Terrell Owens - into better positions to make plays.
I'm floored - but pleased. No one can adequately claim that Dick Jauron isn't gutsy anymore - this is a gutsy move. Time will tell if it pays off.
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this is great stuff. he had to go. i’m glad the bills made a change before the season, it’s never too late. look how many other teams fired their coordinators as well. who’s taking over?
According to Florio, it’s AVP.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Ho. Ly. Crap.
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I CALLED IT! I CALLED IT!
This is going to be an interesting season because Dick knows it could be his last…
Relieved of duties?
I guess we can assume this means he is fired…they wouldn’t keep him around, would they?
Wouldn’t make sense to. I’m sure that is an accurate assumption.
Where else would you rather be...
Its a nice way of saying fired
Like those emails people get at work stating “Bobby Bob has left the company looking for new opportunities.”
Eg. Dude left one step ahead of security by resigning instead of getting canned.
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AVP's coaching bio
Promoted to quarterbacks coach in January 2008… prior to that was the offensive quality control coach… for one season was an analyst for the Buffalo Bills Radio Network next to John Murphy.
Was Buffalo’s QB…
Man this is stunning.
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i remember van pelt from his playing days. he was a nice back up. but i don’t know anything about how good of a coach he is or can be. i guess we’re about to find out. i wish he would have been fired 2 weeks ago, that way avp would have a few games under his belt before we play new england.
Exactly. Not the way you want to break a greenback in.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The way to break in a dollar bill? That is an interesting idea, I think you meant a Greenhorn.
But I like that idea of a greenback!
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WOW – craziness, there must have definitely been a disconect going on with the QBs and Turk, that is all I can guess at
I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City
Seeing how the NH was Turk’s baby, do we think it’ll be run much with him out of the picture?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
No-huddle was NOT Turk’s baby.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
… it was Jauron’s?
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Best news ive heard all day
maybe the Bills will finally go downfield with the pass.
by dragonwag0n on Sep 4, 2009 12:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Best news ive heard all day
maybe the Bills will finally go downfield with the pass.
by dragonwag0n on Sep 4, 2009 12:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Our QB won...
The feud between Trent and Turk had the later fired…
Remember, there were a few instances where they didn’t see eye-to-eye last year and even this past pre-season… so the QB won that one !
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Believe it or not, I think there is a significant amount of truth to that, but I doubt it’s that black and white.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bills find yet another way to look terrible
I would have called it a new and inventive way to look like a disorganized gaggle but a couple of other teams (Chiefs, Bucs) beat Buffalo to the punch. As little as I liked Turk “Scoring Before the Half Is Overrated” Schonert the timing is just awful. Jauron didn’t just roll out of bed this morning and suddenly realize that Schonert wasn’t capable of leading the offense. He knew this was coming so why wait through the entire preseason to make the move?
There is actually something of a silver lining, I guess. Jauron has deomonstrated that he will do anything—absolutely anything—to keep the last head coaching gig he’ll ever get (barring a Super Bowl win). This puts every player on notice that the hook awaits for those who don’t get the job done. Langston Walker should be a very nervous man right now.
If the plan is really to let Edwards call his own plays—even though he wasn’t allowed to in the preseaon for some incomprehensible reason—then dumping Schonert might not make a huge difference on game days.
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Obviously he didn’t decide after the game that he was going to get canned. He must have known for a week. I bet this kills Jauron. He probably had to defend Turk to Ralph at the beginning of the off season. Do you think Ralph put pressure on Jauron because of the lack of TDs? I wouldn’t be surprised if there was pressure but I would be surprised if it was on the “fire him or you’re gone” level.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know that this comes from Wilson. Jauron is a bright guy and he must have recognized that Schonert was hurting his chances of remaining head coach of the Bills. We might never really know, unless Geronimo gives us the inside scoop.
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Exactly.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That's just it
You don’t know what the real story is – none of us do. It’s just something to write about and vent/cheer/gossip. I would say this movie is quite unusual except didn’t we just have this happen in Tampa Bay?
I hope Alex has better results with the offense that he has with Trent.
Is this team ORGANIZED or what? What an operation!
by ccthemovieman on Sep 4, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say the occurrences in KC and TB had much to do with this timing. The Bills don’t look nearly as bad for doing this as they would have if they’d been the only team or the first team this season to do it.
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The timing is really odd. The Bills have a whole season of Turk to know what he can and can’t do, plus the previous year(s) when he was an ass’t on the team. The team realized Turk can’t do the job based on the pre-season?
Now they’re stuck with an OC who barely has any coaching experience, let alone play calling experience. (who knows, maybe AVP is going to be shock everyone and be a top OC)
To do it now reeks of desperation and unpreparedness.
This is looking more and more like a 5-11 season with the coaching staff being blown up at the end of the year.
It’s obvious they thought he would do better this year than last. When he didn’t show any growth in camp and preseason, the coaches cut him like they would cut a player with the same problems.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Now they’re stuck with an OC who barely has any coaching experience, let alone play calling experience.
So he’s exactly like Schonert last year. BTW AVP was responsible for all play calling when he was coaching in NFL Europe.
by twoeightnine on Sep 4, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
How was he? Does anybody know? Success or fail?
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I think that’s too tough to evaluate. Look at how great Gibran Hamdan did in NFL Europe.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony Romo as well, and Freddy Jackson
There have been some great, some good, and some roster fillers who have come out of NFL Europe, and look for the UFL to now do the same for the NFL.
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I will say this.....
Jim Kelly himself said “no one can run the no huddle offense like Alex Van Pelt”…… talk about play calling experience.
And that helps to clarify my thoughts that I indicated in my other comment. I think AVP has more of a Kgun awareness of the no-huddle, and Turk has more of a Sam Wyche, gimmicky no-huddle.
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What about Jimbo?
Does AVP need a special assistant? Jimbo in the coaches box and AVP on the sidelines at game time.
Check out the morning links. The Buffalo News talked to Kelly….
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
I posted in another thread yesterday nearly the same thing……. Turd…errrrr….Turk didn’t become expendable overnight, these types of moves should be done well prior to training camp. That being said AVP has always (and hopefully still does) a ton of respect from players he has played with and also coached…. he sure is a likable enough guy but time will tell if it translates to victories.
holy! Guess the league trend continues of firing o coords a week before season. I’m glad they made the move if they felt they had to
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by poz on Sep 4, 2009 12:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My guess is that it hurts the Bills and TB the most
Todd Haley is an offensive coordinator before becoming KC coach, so it was going to be his control no matter what. I would have liked to known what happened there, because I like Chan Gailey and could see him being an effective OC in this league.
AVP will have a lot of pressure on him. They’d be best to hire an experienced Offensive Consultant very quickly that can help AVP and our team.
I wonder if they will can the “No Huddle?”
Re: Haley/Gailey. That was all Haley. He’s a control freak.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont see how they can can it now
that would be devastating. Maybe Ralph timed this move to throw New England off guard?
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by poz on Sep 4, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I was no fan of Turk, this is still pretty scary though.
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What he said. This is not good. Not because Turk was great, but because this is not something you have a backup plan for. Yipes.
Maybe Ralph’s going to call plays, ala Al Davis.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s also not good because Schonert was the most competent coach on the entire staff. He is a very smart guy whose playcalls were limited severely by the shortcomings of the o-line (he had no running game to work with) and by having only one significant receiving threat in the passing game (Evans) that other teams could easily close down.
I’m guessing here, but my hunch is that Schonert saw the mess that is the current o-line, with so many guys playing out of position, and wanted to change it right away by putting Bell in at LT and moving Walker back to RT where he belongs. As a way of pressuring Jauron to make that move, Schonert leaked the story to Tim Graham that there was a controversy within the coaching staff. Schonert was absolutely right in what he was urging, but this is how Jauron decided to reward him.
In my view (I may be a minority of one here) this is the stupidest move of all the stupid moves Jauron has ever made in Buffalo. Changing the OC at the start of the season with a young QB trying to establish himself at his position is absolutely ridiculous. Van Pelt may be ok, but he is not half as smart or experienced as Schonert. I’m now wondering if this is going to be a 3-13 season, which will mean April will take over in late October. If that happens, Jauron will thoroughly deserve it.
… you liked Schonert?
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I thought he was a very ambitious OC who wasn’t able to do what he wanted to do because of the personnel problems he was dealt. He adapted to those problems realistically, which is all anyone could have done, which made him APPEAR to be a more conservative play-caller than he really is. I don’t think you are going to see all that much improvement under AVP (except for the obvious boost the offense will get from having T.O. back) since the same limitations will be there; in fact, when a team makes moves like this it usually costs them a number of games. That’s why I’m reducing my forecast for the season from 6-10 to 3-13. The new coaching staff next year should have a great first round draft pick to work with.
Not sure I can agree with much of that
Turk never seemed to have a feel for the game. I submit the infamous JP fumble vs the Jets. We were killing them with the running game. The Jets couldn’t stop Beast Mode, even when they know the run was coming. But Turk had to get cute with the rollout to the @#$%ing FB. To me, that is the perfect example of why Turk lost his job.
As far as AVP goes, how could he do worse? I certainly don’t think it will cost the Bills 3 game they would have won otherwise. It will not be a new system, just someone new calling the plays. That said, the key to the season is still Edwards. He needs to perform……bottom line. If the Bills go 3-13 it will be because of poor play by Edwards, and by extension, the O-line.
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Well that’s a nice conspiracy theory, I suppose, but you’re going to have a hell of a time proving it. You very well could be right, for all I know. It doesn’t sound very plausible to me.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is it a conspiracy? I’m not aware of anyone ganging up and plotting against others secretly. I’m simply saying that Turk was limited in what he could do by a below-average o-line last year. As for this year we don’t know what his playcalling would have been like since the offense was on plain vanilla during the preseason, but again there was no running game for him to work with.
As for Joe’s comment about the play at the end of the Jets game, what was wrong with it (as Turk called it)? A short dump-off pass to the FB to let him operate in space was a nice way to vary the play-calling at a time when the Bills needed one more first down to clinch the game. The Pittsburgh Steelers did the same thing that weekend and no one complained about it. The problem was 100% in the execution. The QB was supposed to throw the pass out of bounds if the FB was covered (and as it happened the FB tripped). But JP didn’t carry out his assignment. Ok, perhaps it was a mistake trusting JP to do anything right, but the basic play was not an unreasonable call.
The thing I disagree with here is that when you’re having incredible success being predictable (which the Bills were with the running game that late in the game), variety is not what you need. There was no need to catch the Jets off guard. They couldn’t stop the run even when they knew it was coming.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
I agree with you on this…
Ok, perhaps it was a mistake trusting JP to do anything right, but the basic play was not an unreasonable call.
I don’t believe Turk was the most competent coach on staff. It’s his responsibility to fix or mask the deficiencies you are talking about, though.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
“Conspiracy” was harsh. That’s my bad. My point was that you’d have a hard time proving it.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, that’s why I admitted up front that I was guessing. But I was very struck by Jauron’s comment that he hadn’t even thought about firing Schonert as recently as three days ago. What has happened during the past three days? There’s the loss to the Lions, but in fact the starting offense didn’t even play in that game so it’s hard to see how that could have been the trigger that all of a sudden got Jauron thinking about firing his OC when, by his own report, it hadn’t crossed his mind earlier. What did happen was the Tim Graham story about Bell which talked about a controversy within the coaching staff. In the world of journalism (where I have had a fair amount of experience), a story like that is based on a source, and the source almost always has a motive for talking. Who had such a motive? Obviously Schonert. And what exactly was he trying to accomplish? To put pressure on Jauron to make some major o-line changes (as Chris Brown has pointed out, putting Bell at LT would almost certainly have resulted in other major changes leading to a real overhaul of the line). I have absolutely no evidence — you are right about that — but it is not hard to see why I have raised the possibility that Jauron may have regarded the Gramahm piece as an assault on his authority and reacted accordingly.
I could well be wrong, but I do think my guess is at least a reasonable one. We need to keep a close eye on Tim Graham’s blog — while I’m sure he would never reveal his source, he might well give us some clues as to how this unfolded.
You could be right. But it could also have been discord in others on the offensive coaching staff with Turk’s decisions, even about the Oline. They could have been dissatisfied with Turk, and fed up with his “stubbornness.” That could have been a potential motive.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
Knowing Jauron’s style of never throwing people under the bus, which he again did not do here, he probably was thinking about it for a while now. You don’t wake up and fire your OC. That is the only comment I think to myself “come on… really?”
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.....nobody is going to buy that one. He should have come up with something else.
Teflon Jauron…..Nothing sticks to Dick
How do you know Schonert wanted Bell at LT?
I think your hunch is a bit off….
And I don’t know how making the move is stupid. Turk has proven incapable of putting together a gameplan that could score points and win games. It was stupid to bring him back after last season.
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We know it from the story that Tim Graham ran on his ESPN blog that reported Turk wanted Bell to start at LT, but that there was a controversy wthin the coaching staff over it. Since Turk was the most likely source for the story it is likely pretty accurate.
I’m not sure Turk was the source of the story, but yes, Graham did report that. I would guess, however, that Kugler is more adamant about it than anybody. We’ll see.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Head Coach Dick Jauron is scheduled to address the media today at approximately 1:30 PM in the Bills Media Room at One Bills Drive.
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hope he is more candid than the Tampa Bay coach….Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!
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i would have felt more comfortable with bobby april than van pelt. at least i know how great april has been coaching spec. teams unit. the guy gets no love.
come on dude…april is a ST coach, although he’s a excellent one. He does not really know the system of the O. That would be a bad move, let’s leave guys where they excel.
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by Chriz on Sep 4, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i feel that the guy has been extremely creative. at what point do you say “let’s give the guy a shot, to see what he can do coaching a different unit?” he’s a coach in the nfl, and a pretty darn good one, at that. i have no problem giving him a promotion. you’ll never know how good a man can be unless you give him a chance.
The closest thing April has come to coaching an offensive position in the NFL is a position as TE/ST coach in Atlanta from 1991-1993. I would be very apprehensive to give over the offensive game plan over to a guy with that little offensive experience. He has more experience coaching secondarys then offense.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly… April needs to keep coaching the ST. Van Pelt needs to do literally nothing differently. That’s why he was one of two guys, Studesville being the other, than could pull this off.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you mean van pelt needs to do nothing differently? nothing different than what turk was doing?
no, no no… sorry for being nebulous. AVP was the QBs coach so his duties don’t change a whole lot other than he is calling plays. April would have to completely learn everything. AVP was essentially asst. OC anyways.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, and it makes sense to insert someone whose duties were already similar to that of the last person.
exactly that’s it. if we were discussing this topic at the beginning of the offseason, this would be different, although I would still want April to stay as the ST coach.
I don’t want him as my OC. No. But I like the idea of him being the HC, because as a ST coach, you know you personnel extremely well, and know what they are capable of doing.
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Definitely like the fact that Schonert is out, he was too tentative, although I was ready to give him another year. What does everyone think about AVP? He’s been with the Bills seemingly forever, and knows how to play the quarterback position somewhat. Who thinks he’ll take more shots downfield – be more creative? Hopefully so, the offense has the talent, just needs better playcalling. Hopefully Alex observed how was offense was operating poorly, and knows what needs to be done.
Very good move. Maybe not for the beginning of the year, but down the stretch it had to happen.
Mike Martz? Not to say I want him, but I wonder where we go from here. Steve Mariucci? Who are the other names…I’m trying to figure do we go outside of the team or work with what we have
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Reportedly Alex van Pelt is taking over.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
love the change.
I remember near the end of his career there was alot of talk of him going into coaching. I always felt like he was agood qb mentally, just did not have the physical skills to be a top notch pro qb.
About time
I couldn’t be happier that this pompous, incompetent buffoon is no longer with us. He never took any blame himself, but he can on his firing now!
But why are they waiting to do this so late? It should have been done the minute the season ended. Instead we go through the whole preseason, and I’m sure Jauron was not thrilled going through the offseason with him. Now we’re left with a new playcaller and a no-huddle that needs work. Its definitely a mess right now, but at least he’s finally gone.
Why did they bother waiting until after the final preseason game? What exactly were they expecting to learn from it or what changed their minds finally? I guess we can be happy they didn’t wait until week 4 or something, but this needed to be done long ago!!!!
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by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2009 12:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
But why are they waiting to do this so late? It should have been done the minute the season ended. Instead we go through the whole preseason, and I’m sure Jauron was not thrilled going through the offseason with him. Now we’re left with a new playcaller and a no-huddle that needs work. Its definitely a mess right now, but at least he’s finally gone
Good question on the waiting so late? Probably the Trent/Turk Division took it’s toll and the rest of the offense felt the heat and embarassment of being non-effective. Pressure on Trent now to improve too
Don’t overplay the Trent/Turk division. I sincerely doubt it was THE reason this move was made.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It was the Turk/Everyone division, right?
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by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2009 1:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
haha
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He never took any blame himself
Absolutely right!
But why are they waiting to do this so late? It should have been done the minute the season ended.
Jauron is a moron that supports his vets and coaches for too long and I am certain that it was his decision to keep Turk. From the statements made by Wilson at the end of last season, he certainly did not want to keep Turk.
but at least he’s finally gone.
AMEN !!
Now we either implode or maybe the no-huddle will be our savior, I get the feeling they will do something similar to the Colts with Moore / Manning, where three plays are called in and Peyton calls his own from that set. Might work
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My first move NOW would be
To scale back the no huddle, use it situationally. Maybe progress going forward into a full time attack, I think they need to take one more step backwards. This is going to have some impact entering the season, but I am not giving up on my 4-4 start and 6-2 finish.
The no-huddle is not going anywhere. People credit that idea to Schonert all the time, but I assure you that was all Jauron.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Meant to be a precautionary step only.
My only point in this is that there will be some concern amongst the players. I am sure the coaching staff is fully confident in this choice. They now have to sell it to the players. Edwards confidence has been shaken. He is either excited about the change or even less secure and if not Edwards I am sure some of the team’s confidence is shaken. Just a precautionary step suggested. Maybe waiting until that rythm is found, then switch it on.
One would hope that the move was made to HELP Edwards’ confidence. I’m quite certain that Edwards is on board with this.
If I had to guess, pre-game planning will no longer be an O-Coordinator responsibility. Jauron, AVP and maybe even Studesville will formulate a game plan, AVP will install it, and AVP will radio in plays, but Trent will call them at the line. JMO.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that...
That’s what I was thinking. Studesville big time.
Jauron, AVP and maybe even Studesville will formulate a game plan, AVP will install it, and AVP will radio in plays, but Trent will call them at the line. JMO.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The no-huddle is not going anywhere. People credit that idea to Schonert all the time, but I assure you that was all Jauron.
Pure speculation on my part – but I wonder if Turk’s implementation of the no-huddle was never really the way Jauron had envisioned it. I only say that because the no-huddle run by Cinci (Wyche, Boomer, and Turk) was never much more than a gimmicky, let’s-see-if-we-can-catch-the-defense-unawares offense. If you remember, when Cinci first trotted out the no-huddle, the Bills were the main team trying to say the Bengals were acting against the rules.
On the other hand, the Kgun was really a way of the Bills offense overmatching and overwhelming the other defenses.
I really believe that with superior pre-game prep and helpful in-game adjustments, Trent could run this no-huddle very well.
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Panic
This is a sure sign of panic and a reason to put your Bills expectation in line with Kansas City and TB (4-6 wins). Had this happened 2 weeks ago…ok. 10 days before your first game makes the coaching staff look like fools. Schonert never should have been hired.
Hopefully, Jauron is next.
It’s not panic. They have a plan. Jauron’s not an idiot – he and AVP will have them ready. The bitch of it is if the Bills don’t score 21 in NE, everyone will be down AVP’s throat next.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess they will have to score 40 then.
:-)
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And by 21, you mean 21 offensive points
I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City
It’s not panic.
Sure smells like it.
Could you imagine the Pats, or Steelers, or Colts doing this? Of course, not. This is what desperate teams do.
It might be the right move, but at a very wrong time.
All three of those teams have recently won a Super Bowl.
And are in the playoffs year in and year out so I’m not sure what your point is.
The Chiefs and Bucs just did the same thing, you can’t cherry pick the top teams in the league for examples.
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All three of those teams have recently won a Super Bowl and are in the playoffs year in and year out
Exactly.
Get it right the first time and stick with it – good things might happen.
Unfortunately the Bills haven’t gotten it right with a coach since Levy.
It’s fairly easy to stick with a winner. It would have taken someone special to not want to stick with Brady after he won them the super bowl.
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I disagree
The bitch of it is if the Bills don’t score 21 in NE, everyone will be down AVP’s throat next.
This is actually a great move in that respect. They now have a great excuse why the offense is bad and have bought some time for it to get better.
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
They might have a plan (i don’t dispute that). But I’m not sure how firing your offensive coordinator 10 days before week 1 is anything but panic by Jauron and co.
Teams that fire coaches or coordinators mid season (I know this isn’t mid season but close enough) are rarely decent. Maybe we will be the exception but the odds are against it.
I am expecting our offense to be in the bottom 10.
Does this qualify as the surprise cut?
Wow. Jauron is a man well aware how important this season is to his future. I bet this came down to another situation like Wade Phillips faced.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions
They need to stop beating themselves first. Err, umm.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Wikipedia
He also was the quarterbacks coach for the Frankfurt Galaxy of NFL Europe, the NFL’s developmental league, in 2005, where he was responsible for all offensive play calling
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They went 3-7 that year BTW, their worst record ever.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
They were in the World Bowl 3 of 4 years from 03-06
and won twice. Guess which year they weren’t in….
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Jauron didn't know...
coordinators do not count against the 53 man roster…
oh, well. Time to move on…
Where else would you rather be...
What happened to: It's just the preseason?
I guess the “it’s just the preseason” people just had a minor setback…
At least Ralph doesn’t subscribe to the “it’s just the preseason” theory, and THANK GOD.
I mean, yes, preseason wins/losses don’t matter a bit, but you at least have to look like a competant football team, no?
Way to do something, Ralph. I applaud this.
by StroudFanClub on Sep 4, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Why are you sure it was Ralph? You think he would fire a coordinator out from a coach without the coach signing off on it at the very minimum?
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ralph Wilson had very little to do with this, though I’m sure his approval was sought.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Jauron knows that he is on thin ice, so something had to be done.
by Michael_Necci on Sep 4, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Without doubt.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Not according to Schefter.
He says it came down from Ralph himself.
On ESPN? He hasn’t said that on twitter.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I just read that… Per Schefter it came from Ralph… he said it on ESPN.
by Michael_Necci on Sep 4, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s interesting… haven’t seen anyone else say that.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Concerns?
I hope the Bills give him money to stay on a a “consultant”. This would keep New England from hiring him as one and then finding out about the Week 1 Game Plan. Jauron had said that Edwards was working on the week 1 game plan and that was a reason he didn’t play this week. The timing sure is odd. Why not do it last week. B/c the second stringers didn’t play well last night, he makes this move now?
When I saw that two teams had recently gotten rid of their coordinators, I thought, “Boy I sure wish Jauron had the guts to do something like that”. Kudos to Jauron for this…..Admiting a mistake too late is better than not admitting it at all.
I think this just goes back to the “all-in” from Jauron and Brandon I’ve been talking about all off-season.
by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 4, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions
Why does every time time the Bills cut someone, do people asssume NE is going to pick them up? From a practice squad safety to #5 TE, I’ve read posts about NE going to pick them up so they can get our game plan. Are we really that much of a threat?
Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!
The Offensive Coordinator 1 week before the season starts? Pretty sure he knows the game plan, Trents tendencies, injuries, the playbook, etc. I’ve never made the: “Oh no, New England will pick this guy up” post, but if NE fired their O-coordinator, I’d be willing to pay him a few hundred thousand to serve as a consultant for a week.
by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 4, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The Pats have had no trouble beating the Bills the past 8 years. I see no reason why they’d need to scoop every ex-bills person up.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
the saw the need to scoop up “fast freddy” smith for a week a few years back.
by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 4, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Schonert Out
I thinking Ralph and Russ Brandon had a little discussion and relayed a message to coach Jauron. Just a hunch.
I’m almost 100% that that is incorrect. When Ralph retained Jauron, Jauron retained full authority over the coaching staff. That hasn’t changed.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Read Tim Graham’s latest. That explains it all.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He came to the conclusion Schonert had to be replaced Friday morning and phoned owner Ralph Wilson, who gave his blessing.
“I informed him of my wish, and he said it was my call,” Jauron said. “I made it.”
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The OC job is already listed on AVP’s wikipedia page. People are mad when it comes to that.
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That’s what she said.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see that… someone must have added it and it was removed. That’s funny.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason I love and hate Wikipedia!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
They are expected to replace him with quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt, but running game coordinator Eric Studesville could have a greater say in how the offense operates.
per Tim Graham
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Instead of offensive coordinator why not offense by committee – could be just like their impressive organizational structure of the franchise.
Please don’t utter this ever again. I fear someone within will see it and say “hey, great idea!”
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yikes.
This feels like Jauron trying to save his own skin to me. I have no love for Schoenert, but when we’re finding fall guys before the season even starts, that’s a red flag.
and everyone said TO was going to tear this team apart
keith_b
by Billzfan on Sep 4, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yup, I’ll repeat my comment from two weeks ago:
“Wouldn’t it be ironic if this team imploded and TO had nothing to do with it?”
In fact, I think I found my new sig….
"I wish we could convince our opponents to play their 2nd and 3rd stringers against ours for the whole game – when it counts." - TEMSON
So who is the teams Turk that told Turk the truth?
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I just asked that on twitter. LOL
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone keeps asking "why do this now?"
But I think it’s because they were concentrating on players first and foremost. Why muddle the team with this change before they even know if they’re on the team or not? Some guys have allegiances and might not have responded well to this on the playing field.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions
NFL.com’s Jason La Canfora:
Jauron informed his staff that he wasn’t getting what he wanted in terms of pace and being quick with the team’s no-huddle offense. He felt there was limited movement and formations with the scheme. Quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt will now call plays while running backs coach Eric Studesville is still the run-game coordinator.
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Everyone agrees with DJ on that
The pace of this no-huddle offense as been ….well, pretty slow, pretty un-Kelly-like.
From radio color man to OC; wow, is John Murphy going to take over the defense next year?
by ccthemovieman on Sep 4, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Fairchild?
I recall people being happy when Fairchild left and Schonert came in thinking that we’d get more aggressive on the play calling… seems things stayed pretty much the same. maybe its not the OC? Both were under Jauron’s watch…
Well, makes things interesting…
Actually Turk was better than Fairchild believe it or not.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
TO?
Can we promote T.O. to OC? The playbook would be easy….throw it to me. He might even run routes beyond 10 yards!
by Posluszny Pollocks on Sep 4, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions
Drayton Florence suggested it via twitter...
:-)
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
@terrellowens you can be the first player / off cordinator what you think about that Lol
http://twitter.com/DraytonFlorence/status/3760017469
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s really trying to get cut, isn’t he?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No foolin...
what a callous thing to say.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Trent, Trent, Trent
I have an awful lot to say on this topic, but am going to hold off on it for the time being. Two things however. I can assure you that this was DJs decision. I am also sure that Brandon/Ralph signed off.
There is only ONE and I mean ONE reason for the Bills to do this now—at this late date. And that is simply that a sufficient body of evidence had been built for them to believe that this move will make Trent Edwards a better, smarter, less confused, more productive Quarterback, and thus the entire offense. As opposed to makiing to organziation look “confused” (and I understand how an outside observer may come to that conclusion) I tend to think of this a clarifying many things between the HC, Van Pelt and most critically Trent. In who hands the entire season rests by the way.
More later.
Geronimo
by Geronimo on Sep 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Looking forwad to hearing more....
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you G. I agree that this move will bring clarity even if it seems chaotic now. Seriously, can we do any worse without Turk?
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 4, 2009 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wasn’t last year a sufficient body of evidence?!?
;)
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by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2009 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks G....Why has nobody else rec'd this????
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
Waiting for more....
:-)
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
August 23 7:35am
That is when I became the smartest man in the world. I predicted Turk’s demise. See my comments from heading “Who will be this year’s surprise cut?”
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by Moxicity on Sep 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ha...
propr to you….
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
WORST ORGANIZATION IN THE NFL!!!!
THIS JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW INEPT AND CLUELESS THIS WHILE ORGANIZATION AND ADMINISTRATION IS!!!
WHAT’S NEXT, TRADE TRENT EDWARDS MIDWAY THROUGH THE PATRIOTS GAME.
HOW SAD THAT A ONCE PROUD ORGANIZATION HAS BECOME THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE NFL – CAN YOU SAY BILL POLIAN AND AJ SMITH!!!!!!!!!1
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The caps.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I LOVE LAMP!
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-Marv Levy
I love chair...
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well played, all of you!
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Brick, where did you get a hand grenade? I DON'T KNOW!
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Yeah damn them for making a change when one needed to be made. Those fools!
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
So do they look dumber for making a change, or for trying to grind it out with a guy who isn’t getting the job done?
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+1 :-(
Rec’d?? You should know better.
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You're right, I should
That is what I get for following Matt’s lead.
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With the new season approaching and the number of new visitors, Brian should put together a fanpost sometime soon outlining some features. You’ll see it eventually. Flagging, recing, and posting.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d. :-)
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly what i want ed to say
but you say it better
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Well, at least we heard… you…?
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I thought you were going to say 7.9%!
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by thefourwinds on Sep 4, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
They relocated guy who releases the unemployment figures…he’s dislexic.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yes it was time for him to go, but with such little time before the season begins, he wont be able to put in new schemes or create a new offense. This could hardly make it better. It will have to be the same sucky offense that schonert made, but Schonert wont be running it. Yes Schonert needs to be out, but this will most likely backfire.
At the end of the season they need to get rid of Schonert and pick up one of the currently unemployed coaches like Cowher or Shanahan.
Here’s my favorite (just for a blast to the past) Mularkey is doing well as an offensive coordinator… too bad he had a 5-11 season with us, and resigned…
Look! i just landed, i dn’t kno anything about nothin but let espn & their reliable sources tell ya, I had sumthin 2 do w/this 2!! lol!
TO’s tweet. This guy has a target on his back.
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Is anyone watching ESPN? Are they really saying that about TO?
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm beginning to realize that as much as I dislike Twitter
it finally gives players an avenue to fire back at the media, and to do so on the spot.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I take advantage of it...
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't make a move this late in preseason
They have two rookies on the line, as if this is a vote of confidence for the whole offense.
If they were going to get rid of Schonert, they should have done it before the season began, meaning pre-season.
Granted, Schonert is a clown and the Bucs and Chiefs did the same thing.
Pats-44
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Man you picked a perfect screen name.
I would have liked to see this happen a little earlier, but I have to believe that D.J. had his reasons for waiting as long as he did. He isn’t a total moron. Lets at least wait for the presser and see what Jauron has to say about it before we kill him for the move.
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Come on
You can’t all just follow blindly…I’m an optimist and I think it should be said how unsuccessful (to be nice) this organization is. Nothing looks good about this team in a “make or break” year.
How long until the word “rebuilding” comes out?
Where else would you rather be...
Wait about “wait until the press conference” led you to believe he was “just following blindly”?
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-Marv Levy
It’s more about calling out BuffaloWhiner for complaining…I think we all should be complaining instead of waiting…
Where else would you rather be...
First – Buffalwhiner complains a lot. I’m not saying that he doesn’t have the right to do so, just that I wasn’t calling him out for it, just acknowledging his fetish for doing so.
Second –
I think we all should be complaining instead of waiting…
Why?
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I think all the contributors to this blog do a great job. Seriously, all of you.
We’ve been waiting for years and nothing…
This blog is a great way to post frustrations, but a good majority of the time, when someone does complain, the contributors usually jump on them and defend the team…
It’s almost like OBD has a stake in the blog.
(can they keep calling it rebuilding if nothing ever gets built? Maybe they should call it "going back to sucking real bad so we can work our way up to mediocrity at best in a couple years.)
I assure you, they do not. If we defend the team, it’s because we want to. And, believe it or not, we’re allowed to say “hey, you might be freaking out.”
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree utterly
Every point of veiw is catered for here.
And i dont see how you can say
It’s almost like OBD has a stake in the blog.
without any evidense to back it up
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or evidence even
"When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm!" Gianluca Vialli
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
my excuse whenever i cannot spell something on here. And to be fair, if i sell something wrong over here i say it must be the american spelling and blame Microsoft spell check.:-)
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"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
Hey now, don’t include me in those who defend the team or front office! I rarely defend the decisions this team makes. With that said, I couldn’t be happier this clown is gone.
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by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2009 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s all about that ledge, man.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 4, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, get off the jump to conclusions mat. All I was saying is, lets not kill D.J. over the timing of this thing until we hear what his rational was for doing it. If you don’t like his answers then by all mean fire away at him, but we should at least hear his side before we damn the man.
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What’s he gonna say that matters? Have you heard a DJ presser in the past?
Where else would you rather be...
Yes I have, plenty in fact. Maybe he will say that he wanted the offense to go in a different direction and he told Turk as much but Turk refused and whet his own direction. Jauron then had enough and canned his ass because he was tired of the ineptitude.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
not a poke at you, sireric, just saying DJ is very non-bland in his pressers. He doesn’t say anything substantial.
(can they keep calling it rebuilding if nothing ever gets built? Maybe they should call it "going back to sucking real bad so we can work our way up to mediocrity at best in a couple years.)
What would Brian do?
No thank you!! Ha
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2009 2:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Right and I wouldn’t wait on a Belichick press conference for any information either…
(can they keep calling it rebuilding if nothing ever gets built? Maybe they should call it "going back to sucking real bad so we can work our way up to mediocrity at best in a couple years.)
Did you really just quote yourself in your sig?
"We want to win immediately. To say you're building is an incomplete sentence. ... You're building for a future coach and general manager."
-Marv Levy
didn’t realize how good it was until I posted it…
(can they keep calling it rebuilding if nothing ever gets built? Maybe they should call it "going back to sucking real bad so we can work our way up to mediocrity at best in a couple years.)
Many a true word is said in Jest
just not sure whether to laugh or cry about it
"When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm!" Gianluca Vialli
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
Wow.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see how this changes the offense or destroys confidence
It’s not like AVP is installing the triple option. He is calling the plays that have been established. Trent will get to make calls as he sees fit.
This has to do with coaching, not with play
Pointer Sisters
T.O.’s entourage was behind the firing, Mo and Curkly or whatever there names are from that “Realtiy for the Rich” show.
LOL @ Curkly
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if this would have happened if TO stayed healthy in the preseason. Can you imagine losing your job because of a toe?
Guys on the NFL bubble lose their jobs because you can’t make the team from the sidelines. Different world.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not Dick Jauron’s style to fire his OC the week before the season opener so I’m thinking this decision was made by the owner
God Sal is just as bad as Jerry….
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Yep. Sal tweeted last night that Belichick was probably laughing while Jauron sat his starters… while Belichick did the same damn thing.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I know… I responded to Sal with “Is it any coach’s style?” How many guys are known for firing OCs a week before the season?
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Watch the presser live on your computer if you want…
http://www.buffalobills.com/media-lounge/live-video.html
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It’s on my computer. Audio sucks.
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Video is fine but the audio is all messed up.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I have to leave and come back later…. I have to do some work today.
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I wasn’t away for long.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
i have finished work now and am looking forward to going on holiday for two weeks. :-)
"When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm!" Gianluca Vialli
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
Ohhh
Turk made a pass at Jaurons wife…that explains it.
And don't forget, he also put a flaming bag of dog poop on his porch then rang the doorbell
(443): My mom came into my room and told me to flip off the tv. I gave it the middle finger. Note to self: STOP SMOKING THIS S#!T
-textsfromlastnight.com
Maybe Turk WAS the audio engineer. The double duties were just too much for him to handle.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
This is one of the better recent threads...
LOL with you guys
by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 4, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!! Well done...rec'd
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
I’m so frustrated with this team…
Maybe a move to Toronto isn’t a bad thing afterall. I’m certainly not gonna be a fan of a Canadian team, so I’ll get to pick any NFL team I want!!!
That sounds better than going through another rebuilding decade.
(can they keep calling it rebuilding if nothing ever gets built? Maybe they should call it "going back to sucking real bad so we can work our way up to mediocrity at best in a couple years.)
Where else would you rather be...
Maybe you should sit a few plays out.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHA No body is holding you hostage as a fan, you can go root for whomever you like.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
nothing you can do about a life long allegiance…I’m stuck with this team until they fold…whether I like it or not…
(can they keep calling it rebuilding if nothing ever gets built? Maybe they should call it "going back to sucking real bad so we can work our way up to mediocrity at best in a couple years.)
Very true. That is why I try to keep as positive of an outlook for this team as possible, I save my negativity for baseball.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
I try to do the positive thing and I was somehow holding it together until today’s news. I’m not a Turk Fan, but it just stings to basically have OBD admit (by firing the OC) that they are as bad as they look.
Telling myself “it’s just the preseason” had worked up until today…
(can they keep calling it rebuilding if nothing ever gets built? Maybe they should call it "going back to sucking real bad so we can work our way up to mediocrity at best in a couple years.)
So, by your logic, it would have been better to keep Turk and “not admit” they are “as bad as they look”?
I’m not sure how this of all things sent you over the edge. Did this happen during the regular season?
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-Marv Levy
No, I was thinking he should be fired too when I saw KC do it a week or so ago…
Doesn’t matter when he was fired. The fact he was fired means we are in trouble on offense and he took the blame. I wouldn’t have gone “over the edge” had this happened at the end of last season (like it should have).
Not sure you can say firing your OC 10 days before the first game is ever a good thing. Just the best of the options we had…
(can they keep calling it rebuilding if nothing ever gets built? Maybe they should call it "going back to sucking real bad so we can work our way up to mediocrity at best in a couple years.)
Van Pelt
I sincerely hope this coaching change works.
Van Pelt was a good quarterback, but not a great quarterback. That is could be good for the Bills, because, in my experience as a sports fan, I have observed that great athletes do not make great coaches. Wayne Gretsky is the most prominent contemporary example of that rule.
I think one of the reasons great athletes don’t make great, or even good, coaches is that they can not relate to the less talented and marginal players.
Well luckily Van Pelt was a mediocre backup with limited physical gifts! Unfortunately, so was Turk
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 4, 2009 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gonna be a new post up here in a couple…
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And now it’s up. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO HAHAHA
I CRAPPED MY PANTS WHEN I READ THIS
Though really, this proves at least the staff and organization realizes there is a problem with the team, thank god.
it all goes downhill
In any organization workers take on the personality of their boss , Edwards and the Bills offense seemed uncertain about anything they ever did. I would imagine that was a reflection of Turk.
I have faith in Van Pelt, he has a great football mind and a set of cajones.
The decision to fire Schonert shouldn’t have come as a surprise after the unit’s struggles this preseason, and after Wilson expressed concern about the offense after last season when he elected to retain Jauron and his staff. The offense has finished 25th or worst in yards in each of the past six seasons.
i didnt know we were that bad 6 years in a row
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