Examining the Buffalo Bills' new offensive coaching hierarchy
by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 2:15 PM EDT
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PrintAs I'm sure you're well aware, the Buffalo Bills have fired offensive coordinator Turk Schonert. Bills head coach Dick Jauron made the move early Friday morning, tabbing quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt to call plays for the team's new look no-huddle offense.
Buffalo will travel to New England to take on the Patriots in each team's regular season opener. That happens in ten days. Although there isn't much to transition here - we are talking about the same scheme, plays and personnel, after all - that's still a little disconcerting. This will be interesting to watch. Our break-down of what the offensive game-planning hierarchy will look like is after the jump.
Three-headed game planning
Van Pelt has not been given an official title at press time; whether he's an offensive coordinator or a passing game coordinator, however, NFL.com's Jason La Canfora has already informed the public that Van Pelt will call plays. Eric Studesville, who was the team's running game coordinator (as well as the running backs coach), will retain that responsibility.
Both Van Pelt and Studesville are likely to put heads together with Jauron himself to put together game plans on a weekly basis. The goals? Speed up the no-huddle offense (no, it's not going anywhere, folks), simplify the reads for QB Trent Edwards, and let the team's immense skill talent on the offensive side of the ball make the plays. Before he left, Schonert would devise a game plan based on personnel input from his position coaches as well as with Jauron; now, three coaches will be putting together game plans behind the scenes.
Play calling
As previously mentioned, Van Pelt will call plays - meaning he will radio plays in to Edwards from the sidelines. The plan all along with the no-huddle, however, has been to allow Edwards to call his own plays with guidance, roughly meaning that Van Pelt will give him a play package based off of formation and Edwards will make the play call based on the defense. With a slimmer playbook geared toward better utilizing the strengths of each skill player, this is something Edwards should grow quickly with. This was, after all, the theory behind the no-huddle in the first place.
Simply put, the Bills want to be less complicated, and they want to attack more. They also want Edwards to develop a feel for attacking defenses, which is why they're going to approach play calling in this specific fashion.
The timing of the move
Many folks look at the moves made by Kansas City and Tampa Bay and liken this move to those decisions. That's not completely accurate. KC is in the first year of a transition to a new head coach, and Todd Haley is coming off of a Super Bowl appearance as a play caller. Chan Gailey wasn't running his system, and Haley is a bit of a control freak. Meanwhile, in Tampa Bay, Jeff Jagodzinski was also installing a brand new offense, and now Greg Olson takes over.
In Buffalo, there is no switch in terminology. There will be no adjustment period for the players. Van Pelt will simply use Schonert's scheme and terminology to attack defenses in a different, hopefully more effective way. Van Pelt can also pick up where Schonert left off in game planning for New England, adjust it slightly, and move forward.
Now, if one wants to make the argument that the move should have been made, oh, last January? That's probably valid. But the Bills are in a more comfortable situation today than they were yesterday, so it's a baby step in the right direction. There's a long way to go. This is going to be interesting to watch unfold, at the very least.
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"We want to win immediately. To say you're building is an incomplete sentence. ... You're building for a future coach and general manager."
-Marv Levy
Turns out the world isn’t ending.
"We want to win immediately. To say you're building is an incomplete sentence. ... You're building for a future coach and general manager."
-Marv Levy
Well, not this year anyway.
"We want to win immediately. To say you're building is an incomplete sentence. ... You're building for a future coach and general manager."
-Marv Levy
If you are going to do a movie about the world ending I guess it is mandatory that you have to hire Roland Emmerich
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Roland Emmerich
Who can make a pretty good movie, but also makes some where you wish it would just end anyways
Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!
according to Nostradamus
When the Turk goes forth
And Longshanks is under the middle of Nottingham
Ten years of pain will end
For those that lost the circle four times.
"When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm!" Gianluca Vialli
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
by gregeng on Sep 4, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
revelation
the turk is our former OC
Longshanks is Edward I and the river trent is in Nottingham, so this means Trent Edwards under centre
ten years since our last play off apperance
and the Bills lost their superbowl rings (circles) four times
so we should have a good season
"When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm!" Gianluca Vialli
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
He’s challenging Godzilla for number of cities destroyed on film.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Sep 4, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Offense by committee, TE by committee…
I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City
not always
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Sep 4, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Business and sports are best run in a dicatorship model. Strong leadership translates to results. Democracy is based on compromising, compromises often mean that the middle ground is sought. Middle ground translates into mediocracy. This is why we hate politics; all progress is made through compromises.
and hopefully we can attack
like Cerberus
"When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm!" Gianluca Vialli
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
thanks
is that Brady in his mouth?
"When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm!" Gianluca Vialli
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
the entire patriots team.
with the great belicheat looking at (and taping) the carnage….
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Sep 4, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
but what is coming out of his backside?
"When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm!" Gianluca Vialli
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
duh
dolphins
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 4, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
This picture ties the whole room together.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Combining this with the dude references… I need to but that movie…
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
this is crazy!
i mean we all know turk kinda sucked, but the timing is kinda weird. to do it right after the final preseason game? i am surprised at the timing is all. will this really affect the offense? do we have any idea what kind of coordinator pelt will be? although this a gutsy and ballsy move, i dont think it is necessarily a good one (or a bad one). i dont like the idea of coordinating by committee, but i also dont know if pelt can do it by himself seeing as he has no prior history of running an offense.
i really dont know what to say about this, im not terribly surprised, but i just dont know how its gonna work out. hopefully pelt has a better imagination that turk though….
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I wouldn’t call it “coordinating by committee.” It’s game-planning by committee if anything. AVP will install the offense in practice and call the plays.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
well yea
but do we trust pelt to be the man? i thought the no huddle took the coordinator out of the process anyways? why is all the blame on turk if it is supposedly the qb making the play calling on the field?
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 4, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think all of the blame is on Turk in any sense.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
well i think when you get fired
you can safely say a large majority of the blame is on you…..
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 4, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure. But it’s not like the team is selling this as “hey, the offense is fixed! Be happy now, Bills fans!”
They’ve got a long ways to go. Maybe a drastic change will kick them in the pants enough to actually score some points. It can’t get much worse.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it bears mentioning that those of us who were worried about the play of the offense were on to something
And, the "it is just preseason and everything is really OK " group were wrong.
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
And, the "it is just preseason and everything is really OK " group were wrong.
I don’t see that part of it at all. I think the “preseason” guys were simply saying that these games don’t count so there is no reason to get all crazy (from a fan point of view). We weren’t Kevin Bacon in Animal House screaming “All is well” in the face of a mob.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
If you’re placing me in the “It is just the preseason and everything is really OK” group, well, you’re wrong.
I bring up the “it is just the preseason” line if and only if people are like “THIS TEAM IS GOING TO LOSE EVERY GAME UNTIL ARMAGEDDON”. That’s ridiculous.
But clearly, not everything was OK. One would have to be extraordinarily narrow to feel peachy keen about the offense.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I put it under your comment because it seemed like a good spot to do so, but
it wasn’t meant to be directed at you Brian….. though I can see why you thought that.
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
OK. No, I wasn’t offended or anything – just felt the need to defend my honor. :)
I’m in a weird place right now. 50% happy that Jauron had the stones to make something happened, 50% “oh, God…”
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
it's
a great thing Brian. They had to do this…and maybe it won’t be in time to save the offense, and maybe the coaches and Edwards just aren’t good enough. But, undoubtedly this move was the right thing and now the season is ready to start!
MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens
I agree. Schonert probably had to go. But that doesn’t mean the offense is fixed. We need the offense fixed.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
no its not
not at all. But now I think things are more simple. Now all we can do is let em line up and play and see if they’re good enough
MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens
can do much besides fire turk for that
what else is there?
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 4, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
NOBODY said EVERYTHING is ok. And if the “world is ending” group thinks this proves them right and everyone else wrong, oh boy.
"We want to win immediately. To say you're building is an incomplete sentence. ... You're building for a future coach and general manager."
-Marv Levy
Am I in the world is ending group?
Because I don’t remember moving to that neighborhood.
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
No, that was the point – you can’t group people under a heading that doesn’t make sense. Am I in the “it’s preseason and everything is ok group”? Because that’s a gross misinterpretation of my opinion.
"We want to win immediately. To say you're building is an incomplete sentence. ... You're building for a future coach and general manager."
-Marv Levy
I get your point, but come on!
“saying everything is OK” vs “the world is ending”? Not very accurate a comparison. There was a large group
of posters who were saying that the Bills were fine and the preseason struggles were nothing to worry
about. That is the group I was talking about.
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
Well I must have missed that group. It seemed like there was a large group of posters who said things like “the offense will be different once TO is back” and “let’s wait until the games count before we condemn the whole organization”. To me that’s as different from “everything is fine” as you think “the world is ending” is compared to “we’re worried about the play of the offense”.
"We want to win immediately. To say you're building is an incomplete sentence. ... You're building for a future coach and general manager."
-Marv Levy
OOOH OOOH Quick thought!
If the Bills make it the playoffs can the T-Shirt company that’s doing the Beast Mode shirts, make one with Alex Van Pelt looking sweet and says AVP REQUIEM on it.?
by MichiganBillsFan84 on Sep 4, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankfurt Galaxy 2005
Well I hope van Pelts OC job here will be 100 times better then what he did in 2005 for the Frankfurt Galaxy (worst season in years by the Galaxy, whilst the new OC took the 2006 Galaxy to the World Bowl).
this is
crucial for Trent Edwards….it may save his career. The pressure is on, and when the pressure is on, you either shape up or ship out. Jauron may go down, but he’s not going down without one hell of a fight. For him to fire an OC, is as ballsy a move Jauron could make as a man his notoriously loyal to a fault to his players and coaches. The hardest thing to do as a leader is admit your mistakes, and make change. Jauron did that today…he made a hard change. As Brian says this won’t retool the scheme, or require a big adjustment, what this means is that Trent Edwards, now more than ever, may be able to find a comfort zone to call his own audibles and use that Stanford smarts, that we keep hearing he has. Either way, I am proud of Dick Jauron today, regardless of the results this leads to
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by MARVelous on Sep 4, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Jauron may go down, but he’s not going down without one hell of a fight
Jauron looks like a wimp, but looks are often deceiving. Great post Marv.
People talk about how this coaching staff never changes things up, but they are looking solely at the results. This team has made major changes. Their small quick DT theory never panned out, so we trade for Marcus Stroud. The offense isn’t going downfield, so we sign TO. They aren’t creative enough, so they’re going no-huddle. LBs aren’t big enough, four man pass rush isn’t working, they sign Kawika Mitchell, blitz more and then draft Maybin. Hopefully it all comes together or DJ is a goner.
ESPN is wrong.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
"Well, looks like mamas wrong again"
“No Col. Sanders your wrong, mamas right!”
I can do all things through he whom gives me strength. Philippians 4:13
DUDE
i have a waterboy picture signed by the great henry winkler himself!
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 4, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I know how the daily links are going to look in the morning……
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"terminology remains the same"
I have a big problem with this part of the explanation, that “terminology remains the same”. Clearly its important with only 10 days to go in the opener, but this very same argument was put forward as a reason to hire Turk in the first place. If Van Pelt doesn’t work, maybe they should fire the terminology.
Terminology is terminology. It’s the names of receivers, routes and blocks. Why would you have a problem with that?
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think I’m following… :)
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing to follow – I’m just reacting. Continuity and offensive terminology was brought up as a reason to hire Turk in the first place. It just sounds like a similar excuse now.
I think if you’re looking for an “excuse,” you should look at the NE game being 10 games away. What other choice did Jauron have if he was set on moving away from Schonert?
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely. I’m not looking for an excuse; I’m more dismayed by the original hiring than this firing of Turk. I’m all in favor AVP taking over. No matter what happens, I’m still rooting for Jauron and company to turn this thing around.
I’m all in favor AVP taking over.
Well, you’re a lot further than I am. I’m in favor of no more Schonert – I would have liked to see him go last winter. Not sure I can leap from “yay no more Schonert” to “yay AVP.” He’s in a TOUGH spot.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I am all for this if it puts Trent back into that comfort zone we saw last year in the first 6 games he played
If AVP as his offensive coordinator can give him a simplified stripped down playbook he can pull off at the line of scrimmage, I am all for it. I especially hope AVP gears up for downfield shots to Scuba Steve and PA passes to Owens and Evans.
Timing is odd since this should have happened back when we got TO, but oh well, DJ just showed some serious guts today and really stepped and showed he ain’t going down without a fight, good for you Jauron.
(443): My mom came into my room and told me to flip off the tv. I gave it the middle finger. Note to self: STOP SMOKING THIS S#!T
-textsfromlastnight.com
Sorry but
everytime I see “AVP” I think of this
by Zumone on Sep 4, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
seriously!
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Sep 4, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
lol!
"When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm!" Gianluca Vialli
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
I didn't even see this when I wrote a reply to brian earlier in the thread!
But I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw AVP. We should get the T-Shirt company to make one with Alex Van Pelt’s face and have it say AVP Requiem or something. Way to be on the same pages bro. :-)
by MichiganBillsFan84 on Sep 4, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Love the move
Why not have a guy who has been a part of the organization, tried and true (allbeit through some harsh times) and let him be the man to call the offense. Schonert may just not have fit in correctly, and a bad apple can spoil the bunch.
Way to let the boys swing low Dick….you’ll need all man juice you can muster up for the Pats
Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!
Please stop talking about balls. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Video is up at BB.com
and now the audio works…
(can they keep calling it rebuilding if nothing ever gets built? Maybe they should call it "going back to sucking real bad so we can work our way up to mediocrity at best in a couple years.)
mostly Q&A with canned answers…
They asked him “what he expects to get out of AVP and Eric S. that he didn’t get out of Turk” and he said ‘he doesn’t want to go there because it reflects negatively on Turk and puts too much pressure on the new guys’.
I though firing him was negative enough…don’t want to pile on
Too much pressure? How about your first ever OC gig in the NFL 10 days before you play the Patriots in Foxboro?
that’s typical Jauron…
(can they keep calling it rebuilding if nothing ever gets built? Maybe they should call it "going back to sucking real bad so we can work our way up to mediocrity at best in a couple years.)
Well...this should be a fun year to watch
I am happy that Jauron is desperate to field a winner. This move shows that he will do whatever it takes to win this year. It may not work, but it should be interesting.
by michiganbillsfan on Sep 4, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
I want to take the offense where I envision it going, I want to attack more
How DJ, I hope he means he going to taser Edwards everytime he checks the ball down…
I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City
sounds good
"When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm!" Gianluca Vialli
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
so lets see
Dick is rubbish for hiring Turk
Dick is rubbish for sticking with Turk
Dick is rubbish for firing Turk
hmmm…
well it is bad timing, but a good decision taken late is better than one never taken
"When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm!" Gianluca Vialli
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
haha.
rubbish. You’re British.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Schopp and the Bulldog are glad they made a change. At least they tried something.
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Not for the current management at least.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 4, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
can never listen to those guys
They are not even fans of football, but decide that they can just go on and on with their piss-poor tired format ridden radio…I gave up on them years ago.
Just make the switch to satellite, you will like Sirius NFL radio a hell of alot better
Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!
Maybe....
There was a clause in Turk’s contract that stated if you don’t score a touchdown in the first half of the entire preseason you lose your job?
I wanna hear what AVP has to say. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist, or in this case a great OC to realize the changes needed to be made with this offense that certainly has talent. AVP needs to let Edwards take the reigns of the offense and remind him to take shots downfield to key his play makers do exactly that, make plays. I find it hard to believe that AVP won’t understand what to do with this anemic offense.
Overall I like the move
by billsct11 on Sep 4, 2009 4:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thoughts
Just a few that I feel I can talk about. Shefter is wrong. This was 100% DJ’s call. He decided this morning, went to Brandon and then Ralph for an AOK—got it and it happened. Turk and DJ were not on the same page at all philosophically. DJ wanted up-tempo, aggressive, unpredictable, threatening downfield style with scaled down playbook of things that were tailored to our talents. Somehow, Turk translated this into W. Coast, keep the chains moving, but above all don’t make any mistakes conservatism. Trent was clearly caught in the middle and was regressing and utterly confused. There may also have been some ego here in Turk wanting to call the plays, while DJ preferred to have Trent going to the line with options and flexibility in order to take advantage of his greatest asset—his intellect and feel for the game. There may ( I stress MAY) have been some fundamential disagreement over the roles of certain players. I believe that DJ’s holistic view of the entire team stems from a perspective that thinks that our D is better than anybody thinks—and FAR better if we can play with a lead and keep the D off the field for 40 minutes a game. This was part of the philosophy that led to the aggressive adoption notion of the no-huddle as well as acquiring T.O.
I believe that this move will be “freeing” for Edwards I have no idea how NE is going to gameplan for us. Heck, None of us has any idea what we will see a week from Monday.
Yes—the timing was not optimum……but it never was going to be once we got to camp.
I also suspect some surprises tomorrow when the 53 is announced. It is all about production and personal accountability now gentlemen.
Geronimo
by Geronimo on Sep 4, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
a bold move by Dick
and seems like he is wiling to do whatever he think it takes to get this team going.
Thanks Geronimo
"When Manchester United are at their best I am close to orgasm!" Gianluca Vialli
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something." Dick Butkus
Thanks again for the update G
I have to say this move does move Jauron up a few notches in my book. Although, the timing is not optimal, it was a gutsy call (notice I didn’t use the “b” word Brian).
I know you can’t say too much, but what is your feeling about AVP? How will it be a different offense under him? Is he ready or is he keeping the seat warm for a new hire by mid-season?
"When troops flee, are insubordinate, collapse, or are routed in battle, it is the fault of the general." – Sun Tzu. Yes Jauron, I am talking to you.
No idea
I have NO feel for AVP at all, and you folks likely know him historically better than I. I only know that DJ has a clear vision of what the offense should be and AVPs job is to develop a plan to execute it. I have heard he is smart, a solid offensive mind and a team player. That is all I really know.
Geronimo
must mean
that Jauron feels that AVP being a team player will mean he will stand behind his vision of the offense, and therefore, if Jauron is going down at the end of this year, he will go down swinging and will know, and be able to hang his hat on the fact that he did it his way.
From what we heard about Schonert last offseason after his hiring as OC, I expected a class. who knew Jauron would be the aggressor
Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!
I love this. I truly do believe that Schonert’s experience of the no-huddle under Wyche and Boomer was affecting him negatively. Bills fans knew the Kgun, and this just wasn’t it. AVP knew the Kgun personally. I’m not pretending the current franchise has the same quality of personnel the Bills had back then, but they certainly are talented on the offensive end.
I definitely agree this is a good thing for Trent. A thinker will overthink when he is getting mixed messages. Such overthinking is paralyzing. If Trent can go into a game confident about the plan of attack, we’ll see much more decisiveness and much less of “Trentative.”
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
Im glad we officially know that Dick knows its win or get lost!
Props to DJ
Football is all about adjusting to your players advantages and combining their efforts to one common goal aka WIN
I can do all things through he whom gives me strength. Philippians 4:13
Deinitely good to hear about there might have been some confusion on letting Edwards NOT really having full control of plays at the line.
Everytime Edwards was speaking it was about Turk doing something to put them in a position. I really want to see Edwards come to the line, see 8 in the box and just tell Evans to go long and throw a bomb to him instead of just having Marshawn (or whoever) run into a wall…
I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City
Thanks Geronimo.
I also suspect some surprises tomorrow when the 53 is announced
Interesting. Personally, I’m not expecting many (any?) surprises.
Well, if it’s coming from Geronimo, you can pretty much take it to the bank that there will be at least one surprise.
That’s how things tend to go. At this point, Youboty and Denney are probably the only potential surprises that would actually surprise me. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Fine or some of the other bubble guys not make it. But if Geronimo says I’ll be surprised, then I’m sure the Bills will find a way.
Any ideas on who will be the surpises tomorrow?
I know you can’t give us too much, but can you at least say d-line or o-line?
So let me apologize now 4 sumhow, sumway, i got the OC fired! I felt like i wsn’t gettin enuff balls n preseason! Lol! J/k but I apologize!
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 4, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions
Ko...
is the first to be dealt—the phone lines are burning
Geronimo
for what
late round pick? 6th or 7th?
by ballinbills1315 on Sep 4, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I applaud the bold move by Richard.....
he clearing is going “all in”
Atleast he’s running out of people to blame
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 4, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
Better late than ever, but ...
Well I like they finnaly kick Turk out of the bus, but why did they need so much time to see guy isn’t good enough?
It’s clear that DJ is going to do it all to win, he knows he is on a really hot seat. I only hope all this moves show how desperate he is. Looks like an history of 2 boys playing ball at dinner room, when they broke it all and grandpa came and ask who did that, little DJ point out to little Turk to not take the punish by now.
After this year, I think more than never Trent aren’t going to have any excuse. They did this move thinking in him too. I hope he correspond all this trust.
scapegoat
first off, let me voice my displeasure with Turks playcalling as an OC with the bills. He undoubtedly should’ve been fired in January…… along with Dick Juron. But to wait until 10 days prior to the regular-season, and then fire him speaks volumes to the ineptitude that this franchise is operating under.
Granted, the first-team offense hasn’t found the end zone in the entire preseason, but doesn’t that reflect on how poorly the players have executed? Trent Edwards has looked absolutely abysmal. He looks like the same turnover prone interception machine that I painstakingly watched last season. I don’t know if you guys are watching every game, but his play in the preseason has been particularly underwhelming. I’m reserving judgment because he hasn’t had TO for most of the preseason.
The offensive line has failed to create space to get the running game going, and I blame that more on the organization, then the players themselves. Although I do hold them accountable as well. First and foremost, I blame Ralph Wilson for not being able to bring in top-tier talent on a general manager level, or coaching level be it because of unwillingness to pay for it, or through poor interviewing. Since losing Bill Polian, we’ve had one failure after another. Look at his track record since leaving Buffalo. Night and day. What about the carousel of coaches? One lame duck after another.
This brings me to the Russ Brandon/Dick Juron brain trust, and the less than stellar personnel moves they were able to make after Jason Peters hijacked our football team. Regardles how despicable, Jason Peters is the fact remains that we traded, a two-time Pro Bowler at the second-most import and position on the entire team for a center/guard that we took in the first round. I don’t care what any you guys say, you don’t take a center in the first round, unless you’re convinced he could be one of the greatest centers of all time. I also think since Philly had two first-round picks, we should have got their 23rd instead of their 27th for Peters. Secondly, there was a number of excellent left tackles available in the top five picks that we could have packaged our extra first-round pick (27th) with a seventh round pick to move up and get one of those tackles. Teams were trying desperately to trade down in the first round, yet we failed to address that position. Absolutely inexcusable offense in my opinion.
This is just one diehard bills fans take on the state of the current bills organization, and I hope I’m proven wrong, but I see us at best going 7-9, but probably closer to 5-11. Every team in our division has a better offense/defense line and a better head coach. Every team in our division got better (we did also, albeit marginally). We went 0-6 in our division last year and our schedule outside of the division is much more difficult. Draw your own conclusions, but I see us excelling at what we do best…… performing with extreme mediocrity.
Interested in your thoughts. I’m more passionate about football, and my squad than 99.9%but let’s try to separate devotion from blind devotion.
I don’t care what any you guys say, you don’t take a center in the first round, unless you’re convinced he could be one of the greatest centers of all time.
You know Eric Wood is playing guard for the Bills, right?
Secondly, there was a number of excellent left tackles available in the top five picks that we could have packaged our extra first-round pick (27th) with a seventh round pick to move up and get one of those tackles.
It would have taken both first rounders to get that tackle. Not a late first and a seventh. And then the pass rush would not have been upgraded at all when you have Demetrius Bell supposeduly progressing well.
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Rex Ryan remains to be seen.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention one of those “excellent” LT you mention, the one who we would have had the best shot at getting (Andre Smith), broke his foot and is out for the whole season. How would you like that scenario? We only get one first round pick, after trading Peters, and he doesn’t even play at all his rookie season.
I think you need to check some of your “facts”.
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Freeride has a point
Freeride has a point. Where there’s SMOKE there’s FIRE! Buffalo has the look of an organization that is in disarray. (So does Denver and KC, but who cares a LEAP about them?)
It took til after the 5th preseason game for DJ to notice he’s OC wasn’t on the SAME PAGE as him??? I would think that should have taken 5 hours into the first PRACTICE! Better yet, isn’t something you ask during the INTERVIEW? (“Hey, can you follow orders?” “Sure, Big Mac, large Fries.”)
Yes, Turk had to go but does anyone really think AVP is up for the job? I could be wrong (and I often am) but I think DJ sealed his own fate when he fired Turk. If I’m Ralph, and my HC comes to me and says he wants to fire the OC right before the season begins (and the OC didn’t punch him in the head) within 2 seconds of him leaving I’m on the phone. I’m calling my GM to see what it will take to get Holmgren or Shanahan on a plane.
DJ is a defensive guy and he wants to be in on the game planning? Isn’t this the same guy who called up with the “JP run for your life… then fumble” play against the Jets last year? Yes, please get his opinion on how to play against the Cheatriots.
I thought DJ was supposed to be SMART! Why can’t our Ivy Leaguer out think a guy from Wesleyan? IT’S A DIV 3 SCHOOL FOR CRAP’S SAKE!!!!
(Note to Brian, sorry about the dirty word. I didn’t have my nap today.)
“Crap” is not a dirty word here. You’re cool.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
You have got to be kidding
I’m calling my GM to see what it will take to get Holmgren or Shanahan on a plane.
To be the OC??? Even if one of them agreed (Hell would officially have frozen over), you have instantly created a HC controversy. You might as well fire Jauron now and get it over with.
Teflon Jauron…..Nothing sticks to Dick
I think he means for head coach. He was saying that if your coach comes to you 10 days before the season and asks for a change like that, you should fire him. I don’t blame you for not understanding since it’s, ya know, crazy to do that.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t this the same guy who called up with the "JP run for your life… then fumble" play against the Jets last year?
That was Turk, the offensive coordinator.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We want the Pill!
I remember when AVP was doing the color commentary for the Bills radio broadcast a few ago, and was impressed myself at his knowledge of the game and how well he was able to articulate it for the audience. I also remember how well he got along with his teammates as a player. This guy has the tools to get it done at the O.C. level, IMO.
Get the Bills back to the big game!
Holmgren or Shanahan
I’m calling my GM to see what it will take to get Holmgren or Shanahan on a plane.
To be the OC??? Even if one of them agreed (Hell would officially have frozen over), you have instantly created a HC controversy. You might as well fire Jauron now and get it over with.
Hey Joe, That’s what I was implying. DJ seems to be gone at the end of the year no matter what now… It might not be too early to talk to some agents to see if one of those guys would be interested before Dallas snaps up Shanahan and someone else gets Holmgren. To quote a now famous coach, “3 days ago I wasn’t thinking about replacing DJ.” I am now. Players don’t play as well when they know the coach won’t be there next year, because it implies they might be there next year too.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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