some old school screens, crossing patterns, and deep balls with some PA pass. those are all simple things that he didnt do last year. dick wants a vanilla offense that works, turk seemed to want some convoluted scheme that just never seemed to work….maybe this will be a good thing, AVP will call simple crossing patterns, PA’s and screens.

Schonert said Jauron wanted “Pop Warner” football. Schematically, what NE and Pittsburgh do on offense isn’t that complex. They assign certain players takes in accordance with their capabilities. Pretty simple. The WC offense is really simple when you break it down.

Schonert runs a complicated version of the WC offense, with multiple reads by both QB and WR’s. That’s effective if you’ve got Peyton Manning or Tom Brady running the show. Remember, Belichick started Brady out just like he did with Cassel: screens, simple plays, easy reads. Had he thrown a complex scheme at Brady or Cassel right off the bat, the results wouldn’t have been the same.

I am, and will always favor a run oriented West Coast offense, similar to what Denver ran under Shanahan, and what Childress is now running in Minnesota with Favre and Peterson. Zone running, screens, etc. Simpler than Schonert’s rocket science, but more effective.

Jauron is a smart man. He understood Schonert’s playbook and the offense. He also understands that Schonert’s scheme wasn’t effective with the current personnel.

Just my thoughts on the “K-Gun.” It’s not coming back as we all know it. The K-Gun was not a WC scheme. It was a variation of the run-and-shoot (I can explain if asked) that utilized a TE in place of a slot-back. AVP will be using Schonert’s play book, which is WC based.

What we will see, IMO, is something similar to Houston: WC offense with a heavy reliance on the running game. Passing reads should be easier, more slants, screens, and play action. I suspect we’ll still see short routes, but with plenty of longer routes mixed in. We probably won’t see Houston-zone blocking though.

I think AVP and Edwards will mesh well and this change will be for the better.

No fooling… remember that scene on the Simpsons where Homer lights a match and burns the bridge on the way out of the power plant? Yeah that kind.

Proverbs 17:28 – “Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise.”

Turk, you should have just clammed up.

I think he was, at least, close to fchild.

“Complex,” I think, means “too much” instead of “too hard” in this case. That’s an important distinction.

That could be why Trent looked confused all the time. Just sayin.

Murphy called him for his side of the story. I don’t know if he was whining or just stating what he felt. It’s not like there was any public dissension while he was OC.

Wow, you are being kind, Brian!

I understand Jauron wanting to simplify things, when you have the quality of players that we have on offense and it’s not working then go back to basics. I’ve said all along that Schonert was a pompous a$$ that was unable to accept any responsibility. Good riddance and I salute Jauron for having the balls and believing in this enough to pull the plug. The Bills are a better team today.

What is so bad about them making an upgrade?

remember when “Ben” took over for the Steelers?

In the games he threw 20 times or less they won…………and in the games he had to throw more than that they lost………Same thing happened for Brady too….Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco….as they grew comfortable in their rolls the playbook got expanded.

Trent has been asked to do alot……of course our OLINE has been gawd awful……..but I totally agree with you and Boomer on this,

I hardly believe that. Look at the Pats O schemes. They are spread O and very simple. Ridiculously effective. With the skill players that we have, the players will make the plays, not the other way around.

If you can find game film of Brady in 2001, you’ll notice how simple the offense is. Brady didn’t start out awesome. He was groomed for more responsibility.

The Pats scheme is not overly complex…they just beat people with what works, and do those small things well. Thats our goal in my opinion

No scheme survives a bad OL.

Is it all Turks fault…..I doubt it. But, you have to admit things were not working as they were. I give Jauron credit for making the change, because even though sh!t rolls down hill, eventually it piles up high enough to reach the top. Ultimately if Jauron fails, Turk would have been gone anyway. It just happened a little sooner than it might have otherwise. What is the big deal? It is not like we lost a proven OC.

Kevin Gilbride is still OC for the Giants, helping to win a Super Bowl. He’s the only former Bills OC to leave and do better than while with the team.

Steve Fairchild is coaching Colorado State, and went 7-6 in the Mountain West. Too early to tell, but not exactly better. Kind of comparing apples to oranges.

Tom Clements is the QB coach for Green Bay. While Aaron Rodgers is doing well, that doesn’t mean Clements is a great coach who got screwed by our lack of an OL.

Mike Sheppard is coaching WR’s for the Bengals. Hardly a step up.

I agree that we neglected our OL for years, and are paying the price now. I don’t think Schonert was terrible. But Schonert is not the genius that you’re making him out to be.

Seattle was forced into a situation where it had to pass the ball two years ago. Ineffective running backs, all its WR’s hurt, just lost Steve Hutchinson to UFA, and injuries to the OL. They had two good players on offense- Hasselback and Walter Jones. They adjusted correctly. They made the playoffs.

Schonert is part victim of his own experience. When he adjusted for an average run game and the defense taking away Evans, he adjusted in terms of the offense he knows: ball control, controlled passing game, complex sets of read. He couldn’t get away from it.

And more importantly, you always adjust the scheme for personnel during the season. You change personnel to fit the scheme in the off-season. If Edwards and the offense is struggling… you make whatever changes necessary to suit the players. He didn’t.

I don’t see him as effective as you do.

Yes, but they just didn’t run against Detroit! On four of the six drives in the first half they had either one or zero rushing attempts. There were 11 total rushing attempts, with one of them Fitzpatrick’s QB sneak.

I was not one of them, per se… but when you say this:

That, too, makes me chuckle since so many people were complaining last year that the playcalling was too simple and predictable.

I think it benefits Steve Johnson more than Parrish… just sayin.