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The positives of Schonert getting canned

While the timing of this move is a bit odd, it was the right move and the move that needed to be made if this offense were to have any hope this season.  Like many of you, I wanted Schonert gone the minute the season ended, but it wasn't meant to be.  I guess Dick Jauron wanted to give him another shot.  It seemed like there were two camps, those that wanted Schonert gone at all costs and those that felt he deserved a second season out of fairness.  Both of those options seemed to point to Schonert looking for a job sooner rather than later.  Finally, we've been rid of his stench!  There are a good number of reasons why this was the right move, even if it wasn't necessarily the best time:

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TURK SCHONERT IS GONE! REJOICE IN THE STREETS!

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I cannot stand Turk Schonert.  I've said it before and I'll say again here.  I think he's a pompous, self-indulged prick.  That's pretty harsh, I know, but I hated the way he reacted during and following last season.  He basically blamed everyone but himself for the offense's shortcoming last season.  He never felt it was his fault.  That's part of the reason he's looking for a job right now.  He never took any personal accountability and it was sickening.  Hearing him say Jauron wants a Pop Warner offense basically supports the whole idea that he is stubborn and totally unaware of his deficiencies.  He was an incompetent playcaller and unwilling to change to fit Jauron's desires. This should have been done in January, but better late then never. 

I was getting ready to give him a perfectly apt nickname after the Bills O laid an egg against New England...In essence, he is Major Frank Burns.  Thankfully, I won't have to do that now since he's been shown the door.

JAURON SHOWED HE'S WILLING TO DO WHATEVER IT MAY TAKE

I've hated Jauron for his conservative, play not to lose mentality.  He still very much has that, but he's also showing more and more ability to go against his usual instincts.  I like that.  I still think he's waited too long to make moves, but the fact that he had the guts to make this change now, shows he's going all in.  Unfortunately, my opinions on his coaching are not pretty, and I'm afraid he's still just a lame duck coach, but he's finally showing some guts and willingness to get more out of his team.  I respect that and am thrilled that he had come to his senses regarding Schonert.  It was a mistake to keep Schonert after last season, and with him being unwilling to conform to Jauron's wishes, getting rid of him now, before the season starts is the right call.  The lack of productivity under Schonert was obvious, and in definite need of rectifying. 

"I just didn't feel like we were progressing and I didn't get the sense that we were going to move forward," Jauron said. "It was a decision I needed to make, I felt, and made it."

I'm just glad he was willing to make it happen, now.

TRENT EDWARDS HAS A BETTER CHANCE TO SUCCEED NOW

thefourwinds had an excellent reply in the John Murphy Fanshot that is right on the money.

Trent simply needs one clear message, one plan at a time he can rely on. When he has that, I believe he will not only do ok, but he will excel.

No doubt about that first part.  I'm still not convinced of the last part, but there is no doubt in my mind that Edwards needed one path to follow.  Turk never seemed to have a plan, instead he just wanted to try and outscheme an opponent.  What Trent needed and needs more now is a simple gameplan that plays to his strengths.  I don't think Schonert ever really tried to tailor his gameplans around Trent and the talent we have on offense.  That needed to change and hopefully with Van Pelt, it does.

I think Trent also needed this wake up call.  Obviously, the terrible preseason performance was enough of a wake up call, but this should really smack him upside the head.  His confidence should see a little bit of a boost as Jauron made this move because he did not see Schonert doing enough to help Edwards succeed.  Hopefully, Van Pelt can help do a much better job of that.  AVP is going to simplify the gameplans and give Trent every chance to get it done, and hopefully he won't have to think as much out there as he has been.  That does sound silly, but it was painfully obvious that Trent has been thinking way too much out there instead of just playing.  I'm hoping we'll see more screen, crosses and deep ball...the simple stuff.

A LITTLE HOPE HAS BEEN RESTORED

Personally, I had no confidence that Schonert could ever get it done as an offensive coordinator.  I know many of you felt the same way.  With him gone, I know I have a little more hope that this offense can have some success this year.  I have no idea how Van Pelt will do, nor do I have any expectations for success.  He's a total unknown and we should treat him as such.  But he isn't Schonert and that's his biggest advantage. We can still hope that he can have success, while Schonert was seeming like a lost cause.

 

I really wish this had been done earlier.  Van Pelt could really have used the extra time to get used to preparing as the offensive coordinator each week.  Edwards could have obviously used the time to get more used to Van Pelt as his coordinator.  It is extremely risky heading into New England with an offensive coordinator that will have been on the job for 10 days and a QB that will be calling his own plays for the first time ever, preseason included. But we have to remember that Schonert wasn't getting the job done, wasn't respecting Jauron's wishes and was basically just an incompetent insubordinate.  And hey, better late than never!


I guess Jauron has gotten sick of the dinking and .... dunking!

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It is extremely risky heading into New England with an offensive coordinator that will have been on the job for 10 days and a QB that will be calling his own plays for the first time ever, preseason included.

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by thurman on Sep 5, 2009 3:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Right on

I agree with everything you said. This team needs a new direction, especially on offense. With Turk gone, maybe things will open up. We have too many weapons on offense to be mediocre. I really don’t think this was a good idea 10 days before the season. I am a little confused on what dick said about the offense. It seems from his press conference that they were not going to change a lot of the offense, just focus more or something dumb like that, I forget the exact wording. But why would you keep his same offense if you didn’t like it and it didn’t work and then go and fire the guy? It probably has to do with only 10 days to prepare and a brand new caller as O-coordinator. I think the move was dead on right, but the timing was wrong. It doesn’t really matter though because Jauron will be gone after the season and we will be most likely starting from scratch. Ralph expects playoffs this year…. he isn’t going to get them which = dick gone.

by csc06258 on Sep 5, 2009 3:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Keeping the same offense means keep the same plays and formations so you don’t have to start over. They are going to streamline it and take out some formations and plays, though. Instead of prepping 150 plays or whatever Turk was doing, they are going to do half that and get those down solid. Then you can run those plays from different formations to give different looks.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yo, what are the winning lottery numbers for next week?

"We want to win immediately. To say you're building is an incomplete sentence. ... You're building for a future coach and general manager."
-Marv Levy

by TEMSON on Sep 6, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey man, I have no doubt that you are a Bills fan, but your constant pessimism makes you look like a Jets’ Troll. Lighten up man, there are a lot more reasons to look forward to this season than you think.

Captain of the "Promote Bob Sanders to Deffensive Coordinator" band wagon.

by CanadianBillsFan on Sep 7, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Van Pelt and Jauron

I personally like the moves to can Schonert and to hand more responsibility to Alex Van Pelt. I remember watching Van Pelt as a player and appreciating his on-field intelligence. While no Jim Kelly in his ability, he was significantly competent at running the no-huddle offense. I do not think his inexperience in coaching terms will be an impediment to making improvements in our offense, since he knows how to run the offense on the field. After all, what we have had is so bad that almost anything will be better, but I think he will make a positive impact that exceeds most expectations. As for Coach Jauron, however likable and intelligent he may be, I agree that his days are numbered if the Bills fail to make the playoffs. Consider for a moment these names: Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Dick Jauron, Joe Bugel. Some immediately bring to mind the expectation of success and championships, some not.

by dukedoc76 on Sep 5, 2009 7:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Being a football coach is similar to being a military leader: you’ve got to be education-smart (as Jim Kelly says) but you also have to be common sense smart. I think Schonert was more the former, Van Pelt more the latter.

by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I pretty much agree with everything you said. I’ve hated the whole complicated system Schonert seemingly was intent on running. Always, always keep it simple I say, especially when you have so many young guys on offense (OL, Lynch, Jackson, TEs, and even Trent).

I’m not sure I completely trust AVP yet, although I do like him. This was definitely an addition by subtraction kind of move.

I can’t imagine how interesting it’ll be to see how the Bills come out of the gate versus NE. The anticipation for that is already killing me. I saw the line for that game was originally at -9. Last I saw it was at -11.5. Might it even keep going up from there? It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see it jump up to -13+.

by krytime on Sep 5, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The way the Pats have shellacked the Bills with Brady at the helm I’m kind of surprised that the line was 14+ right out of the gate. I’m also a bit surprised that this hasn’t given the oddsmakers a little pause. Belicheat is famous for studying offensive coordinators and logging their tendencies in an endless variety of situations. AVP has never been an offensive coordinator and Trent Edwards has never called his own plays. In short, Belicheat may be at a loss as to what to expect. When placed into those situations Belicheat tends to be more cautious defensively. Trent Edwards is a perfect case in point. When Wilfork took out Losman’s knee Edwards entered the game and immediately led the Bills to a touchdown. The Pats basically sat back defensively sort of feeling Edwards out instead of hurling all kinds of looks and blitzes at him. While it won’t take long for Belicheat to get a feel for AVP/Edwards the Pats could play their base defense for the first two or three series.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While it won’t take long for Belicheat to get a feel for AVP/Edwards the Pats could play their base defense for the first two or three series.

Wow, wouldn’t it be nice if the Bills could score a couple of early TDs….

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And then sick Maybin on Brady…

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That sums it up K, rec'd

Still, I remember a similar situation when Fairchild was fired. How many of us were excited to see what “Turk-sizzle” was going to do? Then Turk-sizzle turned into Turk-fizzle. Let’s hope the AVP is a prodigy, the O-line continues to improve and gels, along with Edwards’ brain. Firing Turk was the right thing to do, buy doing the right thing does not always guarantee success. I would rather see Jauron go down that way than by doing nothing. For some reason, this season reminds me of the last act in a Shakespearean play, and the majority of them were tragedies. I would like to be excited about this season and I am sure by MNF I will be. I am thirsty…..pass the KoolAid.

Teflon Jauron…..Nothing sticks to Dick

by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Out! Out, damn spot!

Lets hope you’re wearing a red shirt if you’re drinking red KoolAid.

I think you’re right about Jauron making switches whenever he thinks he might get a better result. Langston Walker should be very worried.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe he is… as much as it shocks me to hear myself saying it.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A resigned-to-his-fate attitude from Walker could seriously have been contributing to his lackadaisical preseason play.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!
Out! Out, damn spot!

I was thinking more along the lines of: “That it should come to this!” – William Shakespeare, Hamlet, 1.2

Teflon Jauron…..Nothing sticks to Dick

by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What, not the St. Crispin's day speech? That might be more appropriate at this point...

(443): My mom came into my room and told me to flip off the tv. I gave it the middle finger. Note to self: STOP SMOKING THIS S#!T

-textsfromlastnight.com

by WABillsfan on Sep 6, 2009 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like that one, but
And hold their manhoods cheap….

Not sure how that applies ;-)

Teflon Jauron…..Nothing sticks to Dick

by Joe P. on Sep 6, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess Jauron has gotten sick of the dinking and …. dunking!

Great line, K.

How sad is it that the other day, when I had to create one of those temporary online usernames that I knew I wasn’t going to use much, all I could think of was, “DinkDunk”?

Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?

by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jim Kelly as special assistant

You’re right, it is rather out of character for Jauron to fire Turk at this stage, but it also reflects Jauron’s desperation.

The timing is not great, but if indeed Jauron is that desperate, he really needs to put in extra resources and efforts to get this offense rolling. What better resource than to hire the master of the K-Gun offense, Jim Kelly?

Van Pelt worked with Kelly as players, and Kelly only had nothing but praise to say about Van Pelt. What’s wrong with getting an extra pair of eyes and an expert brain to work out the No-Huddle offense? If Jauron requests for it, I’m sure Ralph Wilson will be very willing to make the call himself.

Bills fan half way around the world

by moncheri on Sep 5, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You’re the 1,000th person to suggest this and the answer is always the same – if Jim Kelly wanted to be a coach (or a “special assistant”, whatever that is) – he would be.

As of now, he does not.

"We want to win immediately. To say you're building is an incomplete sentence. ... You're building for a future coach and general manager."
-Marv Levy

by TEMSON on Sep 6, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great article K, Rec'd

Captain of the "Promote Bob Sanders to Deffensive Coordinator" band wagon.

by CanadianBillsFan on Sep 7, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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