OT Chambers, RB Rhodes headline final list of Bills cuts
by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 6:44 PM EDT
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The Buffalo Bills have officially announced their cuts. RB Dominic Rhodes was released, as you're all aware, as was veteran OT Kirk Chambers, who was no longer needed because of Demetrius Bell's emergence. The full list of cuts:
QB Matt Baker, RB Dominic Rhodes, RB Bruce Hall, WR Felton Huggins, WR C.J. Hawthorne, TE Jonathan Stupar, TE Tyson DeVree, OT Kirk Chambers, OT Nick Hennessey, C Brandon Rodd (waived/injured), C Christian Gaddis, DE Copeland Bryan, DE Ataefiok Etukeren, DT Derrick Jones, DT Corey Mace, LB Alvin Bowen, LB Ryan Manalac, CB Cary Harris
In addition, WR James Hardy was placed on Reserve/PUP; and LB John DiGiorgio was waived (failed physical) after being placed on IR. DiGiorgio's release does nothing to get the team closer to the roster max. Full depth chart after the jump.
| Pos. | # | Starter | # | Backup | # | Reserve |
| WR2 | 83 | Lee Evans | 11 | Roscoe Parrish | 17 | Justin Jenkins |
| LT | 68 | Langston Walker |
77 | Demetrius Bell | ||
| LG | 67 | Andy Levitre |
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| C | 63 | Geoff Hangartner |
66 | Seth McKinney | ||
| RG | 70 | Eric Wood |
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| RT | 60 | Brad Butler | 79 | Jonathan Scott | ||
| TE | 80 | Derek Schouman |
86 | Derek Fine |
89 | Shawn Nelson |
| WR1 | 81 | Terrell Owens |
82 | Josh Reed |
13 | Steve Johnson |
| QB | 5 | Trent Edwards |
14 | Ryan Fitzpatrick | 10 | Gibran Hamdan |
| RB | 22 | Fred Jackson |
44 | Xavier Omon |
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| FB | 38 | Corey McIntyre |
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| LE | 90 | Chris Kelsay | 92 | Ryan Denney | 93 | Chris Ellis |
| 1T | 99 | Marcus Stroud | 97 | John McCargo | ||
| 3T | 95 | Kyle Williams | 91 | Spencer Johnson | ||
| RE | 94 | Aaron Schobel | 58 | Aaron Maybin | ||
| SLB | 56 | Keith Ellison | 54 | Nic Harris | 57 | Jon Corto |
| MLB | 51 | Paul Posluszny | 53 | Marcus Buggs | ||
| WLB | 55 | Kawika Mitchell | 59 | Ashlee Palmer | ||
| CB2 | 28 | Leodis McKelvin | 27 | Reggie Corner | 25 | Ellis Lankster |
| SS | 43 | Bryan Scott | 37 | George Wilson | 21 | John Wendling |
| FS | 20 | Donte Whitner | 31 | Jairus Byrd | ||
| CB1 | 24 | Terrence McGee | 29 | Drayton Florence | 26 | Ashton Youboty |
| K | 9 | Rian Lindell | ||||
| P | 8 | Brian Moorman | ||||
| LS | 65 | Garrison Sanborn |
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Chris Chambers?
Didn’t see that coming.
by twoeightnine on Sep 5, 2009 6:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
very raw..but u could see it coming a mile away..i have no doubt him and Rhodes are going to shuffle around and end up on a active roster or PS for this year
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by nyckidd on Sep 5, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither are PS eligible.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk Chambers cut, but Jonathan Scott stays? What?
by Dyl on Sep 5, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, did anyone ever mention that possibility? I never saw it.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not being Cut, but times he looked real bad.
I threw a comment out there the other day about how bad he looked on a handful of plays. Brian mentioned he was better suited at Tackle. Didn’t see him getting cut though.
by VanScottM on Sep 5, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree he was better suited to tackle. But with our lack of depth at tackle, thought for sure he’d stay. Hopefully Scott can cut it.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
… something’s wrong with my math. Help me, please.
They had 75. Hardy goes to PUP. That’s 74. Lynch down. That’s 73. Simpson traded. That’s 72.
18 released. That’s… 54?
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DiGiorgio was already on IR. He never counted on the active.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to BB.com
In addition to Chambers and Rhodes, Buffalo waived 18 other players.
20 players then, right ?
by hightower_mc on Sep 5, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BB.com can’t count. They also called Chambers “Chris.”
There were 18 players in total, as listed above.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I know! As it should. The problem is getting from 53 to 75 with 18 cuts, Lynch, Hardy and Simpson.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat Thomas
We dropped him earlier this week and that put us at 74
by billsfan69 on Sep 5, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES. YOU MAKE ME HAPPY.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
that was a very enthusiastic response
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 5, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont forget when u backed down from75 we had alot drop onto IR and some waives btwn then and today for the 18
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by nyckidd on Sep 5, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand dropping Chambers. He wasn’t a world beater but he was a competent backup at either tackle position and could provide at least theoretical depth as well at guard.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chambers does catch everyone off gaurd… was Scott that good?
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott has more upside. Maybe he started to put it together?
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure as hell hope so. I’m all for youth at positions if they outplay the vets.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember just prior to Scott’s senior year at Texas, he was considered by some as a first day prospect. Then he went out his senior year and underachieved, looking disinterested.
He’s got a lot of talent. Maybe the light finally came on.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fingers crossed that you’re right if he has to step on the field gameday…
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying he’ll cut it as a reserve, but he’s could. He’s got the talent to if his head is right.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This seems pretty crazy to me as well. I watched Chambers closely during TC and the preseason games and he seemed to me to be performing well above the level of some of the starters. This is further proof to me that Sean Kugler is an incompetent who needs to go as soon as possible. Perhaps he’s a good guy, but he can’t do his job. The fact that Jauron ever installed him as the main o-line coach given his next-to-nonexistent credentials was itself a scandal.
by Macktruck on Sep 5, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your opinion from watching a few preseason games is better then that of of the coaches who have been working with the guy in every practice and game for the last two years. C’mon dude.
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by sireric on Sep 5, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
non-existent credentials?
OL coach at UTEP from 95-2000
Jumped to the NFL with Detroit as TE coach 2001-03
OL & TE from 04-05
Came to Buffalo as assistant to Jim McNally, one of the greatest ever until he retired.
Are you somehow more qualified?
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check again. I do not believe he held the actual posts of TE coach or o-line coach with Detroit. He was on the staff, but below the assistant coach level (it was his first NFL job). And of course it wasn’t exactly a stellar coaching staff in Detroit at that time. Yes, he came to the Bills as an assistant to McNally for one year, but as I understand it it was a year that McNally was having lots of problems staying sober. And in any event, the o-line was awful that year. Kugler was of course the head o-line coach last year, but that’s nothing to brag about.
You are in fact leaving out his most notable assignment — the year he coached o-line at Boisie State and they had one of the best running games in the NCAA ranks. But he arrived there to find a line in terrific shape (Ryan Clady was his LT, and there was another senior who has since done well in the NFL). Kugler didn’t mess things up — he certainly deserves credit for that — but he also does not deserve many bunny points for the team’s success, either. And it was at the college level, not the pro’s.
So far Kuglar has struck me as someone with very poor judgment. How can I presume to make that call? Well, how many Bills fans have been calling for Jauron’s head? How many posters on this site have been talking the last few days about how awful Schonert was? We all reach conclusions about how good or bad coaches are performing. My take is that Kugler is one of the worst we have seen in some time on the Bills staff. The decision to go with the unproven Scott who wasn’t impressing anyone in the preseason by comparison to Chambers who has done well whenever the team has asked him to take on a tough assignment in regular season games suggests to me that someone on that staff isn’t very bright, and all the signs point to Kugler. This o-line desperately needs veteran experience. Why would you cut one of your best vets?
by Macktruck on Sep 5, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The decision to go with the unproven Scott who wasn’t impressing anyone in the preseason by comparison to Chambers who has done well whenever the team has asked him to take on a tough assignment in regular season games suggests to me that someone on that staff isn’t very bright,
I don’t get it. Do you honestly think that Kugler said to Jauron, “Well Scott is nothing special and hasn’t impressed me at all, and Chambers is a real nice back-up so I think we should keep Scott even though it makes no sense whatsoever.” To which Jauron said, “Well I specialize in senseless roster moves so it works for me.”
I think that the Bills kept the guys who they felt were best to move forward with. And honestly I trust the judgment of the guys who have been coaching them 24/7 for the last month over an occasional observer. I’m sure they had a very good reason for keeping Scott over Chambers that as of right now we are not privy to.
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by sireric on Sep 5, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m saying I don’t trust Kugler’s judgment. He may have been more impressed by Scott than he was with Chambers, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s right. And I don’t like most of the other decisions he has made with the o-line last year and so far this year.
by Macktruck on Sep 5, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may have been more impressed by Scott than he was with Chambers, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s right.
That obviously works both ways. You liked Chambers more than Scott, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you’re right. Time will tell.
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by sireric on Sep 5, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well think of it this way
your right, a new coaching staff comes in, your wrong, and we have have a winning season! haha
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 5, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha true! I just trust that they had a good reason for keeping the guys they did. Whatever our opinion of the coaching staff is they at least have reasons for the things they do.
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by sireric on Sep 5, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s noble, Eric, I just approach this coaching staff like I approach the government — until they prove they are capable of something above failure, their judgments are not worth any measure of automatic trusting.
by Dyl on Sep 5, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get that, and I agree, the coaches track record of late hasn’t been anything great. But while Macktruck is calling into question Kugler’s credentials, I would ask what his are. I don’t want to come across as insulting but for all I know Mack is a 15 year old kid who has never watched more than a quarter of football. I get the feeling that isn’t the case but when someone is calling the coaches out as being obviously incompetent and unable to do his job, I have to ask about his own credibility.
I don’t like all of the decisions that the coaching staff has made, but I also think that they have a method to their madness and don’t make cuts based on what they think will piss off the fan base most.
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by sireric on Sep 5, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll assure you I’m not a 15 year old who has never watched more than a quarter of football. In fact I have been watching the game since the 1950s and played it some in the early ‘60s. I’ve seen a lot happen in the NFL over the years and like to think I have come away with at least a little wisdom as a result.
by Macktruck on Sep 6, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Mac truck
so far since he’s taken over for mouse McNally, the line woefully underperformed last year. Let’s face it, they stunk. That’s why we got rid of them, one being the highest paid OL in Buffalo Bills history. So far this year, they’ve been terrible. Even run blocking they’ve been horrible. You can say whatever you want about cohesion, but they should at least be able to run block.
with all the shuffling and inexperience, I don’t think it’s a wise move to cut veteran depth with the state of our OL .
by freeride707 on Sep 5, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.detroitlions.com/bio.cfm?bio_id=103
On November 28, 2005, Sean Kugler was named offensive line coach for the team’s remaining five games.
Kugler came to Detroit on February 12, 2001 with this season marking his fifth season with the Lions. Prior to being named offensive line coach for the remainder of the 2005 season, Kugler spent five seasons coaching the Lions’ tight ends and two seasons as assistant offensive line coach.
Then he spent a year at Boise state as OL coach and asst head coach when they beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.
I was wrong that he coached under McNally. I thought he did.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt, note that it says that he spent five years “coaching the Lions’ tight ends,” not that he was the actual TE coach or even assistant TE coach. He had had no NFL experience whatsoever when he arrived in Detroit and it makes no sense that he would be appointed as a position coach right away. I guess he did become their assistant o-line coach for a while and then the main o-line coach for a few games. That’s hardly a resume, especially given the decrepit condition of the Lions those years. Had he apprenticed in New England or Dallas or Indianapolis it would be very different.
He was at Boise State when they won the Fiesta Bowl, but again he inherited a terrific o-line that was in place and developed before he arrived. You were right that he coached under McNally — he was the Bills’ assistant o-line coach three years ago when McNally was in his last year. But again that was a terrible year for both the o-line and McNally, who I have been told had developed a severe drinking problem, to the point where he often showed up drunk on Sunday afternoons, and was let go for that reason. I doubt that Kugler was able to learn much from McNally that year.
by Macktruck on Sep 5, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Mack, what exactly are the requirements for OL coach? Go look at the OL coaches around the league and you will see a pretty similar resume leading up to their first gig.
You’re saying McNally had drinking problems??? That is news to me.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they may have had similar credentials at the time they first became o-line coaches, but the ones that are really respected have spent quite a bit of time coaching this position. And given all the troubles the Bills have had with their o-line and the havoc it has wreaked on the rest of the team one might have expected that Jauron would have gone out into the national market after McNally departed and brought in someone with strong credentials instead of elevating a guy who had no track record whatsoever as a head o-line coach.
Doesn’t that make basic sense? If there is an area of your team that is a special emergency you make sure you have a really good experienced coach in charge there. It makes sense to me.
by Macktruck on Sep 6, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You love crazy theories don’t you?
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by Kurupt on Sep 6, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, just can’t stay away from them.
by Macktruck on Sep 6, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like you have some real problems with the Bills O-line coaches, past and present…
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the coaching has been a part of it (and is at the heart of the problem right now), but going back over the past decade you also had a GM (Tom Donahoe) who didn’t think it necessary to invest dollars or draft picks (with one ill-fated exception) in the o-line. The parade of bargain-basement third-rate Centers and Guards that we have seen over the years has been truly appalling.
by Macktruck on Sep 6, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see it that way with Chambers.
But I didn’t see him getting cut either… Mack I’ll take your word for it, you carry more insight in that area than I do.
by VanScottM on Sep 5, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a real surprise, but glad Lankster made it.
Teflon Jauron…..Nothing sticks to Dick
by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And Ellis, too.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Palmer. I think he can become something Crowell and more.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But with Lankster making the squad,
maybe….just maybe…we won’t be taking a CB with a high pick in the draft (fingers crossed).
Teflon Jauron…..Nothing sticks to Dick
by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be silly
You know Jauron can’t help himself. If he’s still around Buffalo is pretty much a lock to take a DB in the first 3 rounds.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have to change my moniker...
…If he didn’t!!
I love me some DB's...I might just be Dick Jauron's long lost twin!
by DBLuv on Sep 5, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can get Brandon to remove them from Jauron's list of prospects :-)
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by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
7 LB's
All our reserves and young, fast, aggressive, and great fits for the Cover 2. Good work.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Offense suffered for special teams… 27 defenders to 23 offensive players. If the injury bug hits on the offensive side of the ball the Bills will be in real trouble in an awful hurry.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh...
half of them look replaceable anyway. I’m glad they stuck to the defensive side
by thebillsmakemewannapout on Sep 5, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, but this also depends on who we keep on the practice squad. If we O-heavy, we could be OK.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which players would you have wanted them to keep?
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d have kept Chambers. Also, I think I would have gone with either 4 RBs (Lynch being one) or 4 TEs instead of just having 3 at each….particularly given the fact that 2 of the RBs and 1 of the TEs are injured.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on chambers, probably dropping mcintrye or wendling…
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shocked
Kirk Chambes cut, but they don’t keep Copeland Bryan or Alvin Bowen…I thought at least one of these guys would have made it with that open spot…I guess that why I don’t work for an NFL team!
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by DBLuv on Sep 5, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the open spot basically went to scott. No clue why
by thebillsmakemewannapout on Sep 5, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot believe they kept Omon and McIntyre in the end. Both suck…
And Scott over Chambers? Come on. That’s screwy. Now our only interior backup is the well below average McKinney? Whaaat? Chambers was solid and versatile, Scott is neither. And 2 rookies guards with just one crappy backup?
The rest are ho hum and expected.
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by Kurupt on Sep 5, 2009 6:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Well, after cutting rhodes… who else would they cut at RB?
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that was part of the shock
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 5, 2009 7:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
True.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And 2 rookies guards with just one crappy backup?
So you like our line?
/sar
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has potential, definitely. I hate the depth though. Its pretty bad…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Sep 5, 2009 9:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
haha
i wonder if van pelt is going to use a fb??
by thebillsmakemewannapout on Sep 5, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Copeland Bryan should have made a pass rush starved team.
by Buffalonian on Sep 5, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Denney and Kelsay can no longer be in the game when its 3rd and long. Why not have a guy like Bryan to option in with Ellis? He obviously got bumped for special team contributors. So we let go of a guy we can develop into a pass rusher.
by Buffalonian on Sep 5, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or how about maybin and ellis, or maybin and schobel? I’m not crying over bryan.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
with the emergence of maybin, byran was expendable
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 5, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Denney was expendable, given that he’s not better than Bryan, has only got one more year on his contract, and he’s not coming back after it runs out…
by Dyl on Sep 5, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea but
the production difference out of each of them is negligible. so why not keep the known guy? denney lead the team in sacks last year, and buffalo will probably draft a DE next draft, so it really didnt matter who he kept i feel.
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 5, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think it goes to show
that at least they arn’t just keeping ellis over him because of the high draft pick because they went palmer over bowen.
I just wish it was ryan denney
by thebillsmakemewannapout on Sep 5, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Denney over Bryan makes ZERO sense to me…
I love me some DB's...I might just be Dick Jauron's long lost twin!
by DBLuv on Sep 5, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thrilled they kept Ashlee Palmer. He looked outstanding against DET – thin as hell, but hits hard and can really play physically in the box with the big boys. Very fast. Vast potential.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yep
Palmer’s play was clearly evident. He attacks the ball carrier, and flies around out there. With him and Harris making the team, if one of them hits as a contributor down the road as a Starting LB, then I would call it a success.
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by MARVelous on Sep 5, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denney is in the last year of his contract. This team cannot afford to resign players that contribute so little and has been given ample time to get better. Let him go and keep a young player and try to develop him. In case you can’t tell I’m so disappointed when they do things like this.
by Buffalonian on Sep 5, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t see them extending Denney after giving money to Kelsay… I see them drafting DE high next year.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
depending on ellis’ progress
by thebillsmakemewannapout on Sep 5, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft one high no matter how Ellis does.
Stack the DL with talent. It works. Ask the Giants.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009 will be Schobel’s 9th year, Denney’s 8th and Kelsay’s 7th. Yes, Kelsay has been vexing Kurupt for 6 seasons and counting! Even if Ellis and Maybin pan out the Bills will need to add another DE to develop.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
I just don’t know if it has to be an early pick. I heard there are some great qb’s coming out this year (mostly kidding)…
by thebillsmakemewannapout on Sep 5, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are Maybin and Ellis? Do they not fit that bill? This is the best of both worlds.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis and Maybin are two guys. Buffalo needs more than that at DE. Kelsay and Denney clearly aren’t the answer and Schobel is, what, 3 years away from a productive season?
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, great, but if you guys are seriously of the opinion that Copeland Bryan – a fine, upstanding player with some skill – was the long-term answer at DE… then wow.
I’d rather take the vet this year, let him walk next year, and load up with a much more talented player than Copeland Bryan. Like I said – this is the best mix of what helps this year and preparing long-term.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Bryan isn’t the answer. I was talking about the draft next year.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He produced…Bryan, that is. In the last two games he was coming on strong. He produced two sacks, forced a fumble I believe, and recovered a fumble. It’s in our interests to keep playmakers, even if they don’t fit the prototypical look of our future stars. Anyways, not crying over Bryan, but still think he = Ellis. It was a mistake.
by Dyl on Sep 5, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respectfully disagree, nearly whole-heartedly.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 6, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right. So you think the Bills will reap more from keeping Denney this year than they would from Bryan? Ehh…I’d like to be persuaded of that, I guess. Not sure how that helps us then load up with a more talented player, unless you think having Bryan the extra time would discourage the front office from pursuing DEs – in a way that dropping Denney wouldn’t.
by Dyl on Sep 6, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need a DE in at least the 2nd round next year. If Bell works out this year, our O-line could start to become a cohesive unit, and OBD could focus on restocking the D-line.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was thinking
If Bell is the long-term answer at LT, then the line, with some development, is set.
I’d rather take another DE in the first round. Maybin needs a bookend.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree.
I would like to take a DE in the first as well, but we never know how the season will go and that might also dictate what and where we pick.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DT and LB might be higher priorities
Ellison just can’t continue to start year after year just because there’s no one to really compete for that starting position. Stroud is getting older, McCargo is still an enigma.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree DT may be necessary. Maybe the BIlls can somehow land 2 first round picks again…without giving up a pro bowler to do it!
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and…monkeys might fly out of my butt.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea
The coming draft is deep.
I’d trade my second and third to get into the lower quarter of the first round.
I’d then try a Carolina deal: next year’s 1st for a current 2nd and ~4th.
That would give us 2 1st’s, a second, and 2 4th’s.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just had a brilliant idea. Why doesn’t Buffalo Rumblings purchase the Bills from the Wilson estate when Ralph dies. Then we could run the Bills ourselves. You know, it would only take 100,000 of us to chip in $10,000 apiece. Just sayin’.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need one owner with a large stake, I think 30 or 40% of the team. Anyone who reads Rumblings have 400 or 500 million?
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, no, you’re not thinking out of the box. Are there 50,000 Rumblers who will give me 10 grand so I can be the majority owner. Ok, forget me. How bout 50,000 of us give Brian 10 grand so he can be the majority owner.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you’re assuming he won’t take the money and run…. I don’t trust more than a couple people in business let alone 50,000 of them. How do I know you guys aren’t affiliated with shady activities. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do I know you guys aren’t affiliated with shady activities. :-)
Well, I did used to be in Amway…
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if sireric wins that lawsuit
with Milley Cyrus (I am on your side sireric…no need to pepper spray you just because she found you trying one her panties) he should have a good chunk of the money needed :-)
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by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We really need to petition SBNation to be able to rec a comment multiple times!
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn’t as much the pepper spray, but the three kicks to the ribs after I was already down.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
by sireric on Sep 5, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could have been a lot worse
three kicks to the ribs
Lucky man :-)
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by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She also spit on me, but I was able to save it in a ziploc.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
by sireric on Sep 5, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not touching that one (you can thank me later Brian)
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by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was saying that earlier
That kind of how the Packers are run.
We could get Kelly’s consortium to foot the large share, and we all chip in the rest.
I’m in.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the cut of your jib!
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I’m a serious knuckledragger. I had to google what that meant!
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a great expression that deserves to be trotted out regularly.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of my favorite expressions.
used well in Cat’s Cradle.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And in an early version of Wyatt Earp’s life. Kirk Douglas (playing Doc Holliday in a woefully inaccurate movie) says it to Wyatt while they’re in Dodge City.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of woefully inaccurate, didn’t Val Kilmer play Doc Holliday while Kirk Douglas was playing Wyatt Earp?
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by sireric on Sep 5, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you are correct sir!
Ha…name who said that famous line :-)
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by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ed McMahon?
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you are correct sir!
Teflon Jauron…..Nothing sticks to Dick
by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kurt Russell, not Kirk Douglas. I think Douglas may have had that stroke before that awful, awful Tombstone movie was made.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good catch :-)
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by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beat me to it and I replied before I read your comment.
“I believe you are the anti-christ.” Val Kilmer
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kilmer gave a good performance but Dennis Quaid outdid him.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I read it knew t wasn’t right, but I couldn’t figure out how.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
by sireric on Sep 5, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of woefully inaccurate, didn’t Kurt Russell play Wyatt Earp in the movie we’re speaking of, Tombstone?
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost had to google “knuckledragger,” but I figured it out just in time to save face.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cut my jib once....but they were able to sew it back together:-)
the next day I took down the trampoline and put up the pole….much safer :-)
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by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some changes off the top of my head:
1.) No more cornerbacks.
2.) Screw LA, the team isn’t moving
3.) Toronto game is in September against an NFC team
4.) The name of the stadium goes to the highest bidder
5.) Jerry Sullivan is no longer welcome in the building until he stops being an ass.
I think of some more later. ; )
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are the highest bidder...
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1.) No more cornerbacks.
Tough to win without those guys…
3.) Toronto game is in September against an NFC team
The team doesn’t schedule that, the league does.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to think bigger....how much to buy the whole NFL :-)
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by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you, the US government of something?
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only I were.....I could just raise taxes on beer and booom!!!
I would have enough to buy the Bills and build a new stadium :-)
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by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silly person, if you were the government you could just do what ours does—print money backed by nothing and take on massive debts to foreign powers.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody would do that.....it would be incredibly stupid :-)
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by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How cynical!
The only thing more cynical would be to think that people might vote for people that incredibly stupid….election cycle after election cycle after election cycle.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
But why take an OLB high? Unless he’s Aaron Curry, I’d rather take a pash rusher. A good pash rush could make our current LB’s look like hero’s.
There’s are real good DT UFA market coming this off-season. I’d rather go UFA for our DT and DE in the first round. Just my thoughts though.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Harris if he steps up? Palmer even? I agree on DT for a 1st/2nd round pick, but I think the season could dictate where we take a LB.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Sep 5, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping Stupar was able to make the cut, but that’s why I’m not on the payroll I guess.
Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!
by mavadjdj on Sep 5, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
kinda hoping
the jets don’t pick him up…I guess they came out with only 2 true TE’s.
by thebillsmakemewannapout on Sep 5, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when do we hear about PS players?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 5, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not for a day or two. They’ve got to clear waivers.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can start signing at noon tomorrow.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players I’m thrilled they kept: Lankster, Palmer, Youboty
Surprised but don’t mind seeing go: Rhodes
Truly shocked is gone: Chambers
Truly shocked is still around: McIntyre (maybe they cut him when Lynch comes back)
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless they cut Omon, McIntyre would figure to go when Lynch was activated.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I may have missed this......
but uh what happened to the normal LS? (Neil is it?)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 5, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cut about 2 weeks ago
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah so yes I did miss it......
thanks Ron
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 5, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why everyone had Sanborn in their roster projections. ;-)
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly I didnt pay much attention to the LS position till just now.........
not that it really matters anyways.
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 5, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To ponder: Bills OL coach Kugler coached at Boise St., his guys blocked for Ian Johnson. Bills have need at RB. Just sayin’.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really like him. Just sayin’.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson is a bit arrogant and turns some people off, similar to Robert Smith’s attitude a decade ago. Sort of a “smarter than thou” attitude. Something to consider.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 5, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe getting cut
knocked him down a notch
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 5, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed....and I got dibs on being 1st to say the Bills should pick him up :-)
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by Joe P. on Sep 5, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am surprised the Bills cut Chambers. When Butler went down he was the first guy in. A lot has changed in a few weeks. Obviously Bell is ready if they made this move but I would have thought he stayed for his versatility.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Me too.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one less Stanford guy...........
haters. </3
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 5, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butler got hurt, Chambers filled in.
Walker got hurt, Chambers filled in.
Peters got hurt, Chambers filled in.
Hmmmmm…..last season the coaches thought Chambers was their best option pretty much any time an offensive lineman got hurt. This season he can’t even make the team.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Sep 5, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m trying to tenaciously hang on to my optimism. It’s getting a bit tougher.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this team imploded and it had nothing to do with TO?
by thefourwinds on Sep 5, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No fooling. I am must more surprised by this than Rhodes.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still can’t figure out the Chambers release. His versatility and overall solid play make him very appealing. If McKinney and Scott were any good, itd make some sense. Hmmmmmm…
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by Kurupt on Sep 5, 2009 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Disappointed Bryan didn’t make it.
Also, no way Omon gives the Bills a better chance to win than Rhodes, and a FB? really?
I hope they pick up Isaac Redman and bounce Omon.
by thejimbo on Sep 5, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just dont get
How McIntyre, the type of FB you can replace mid-season off the market if you really decide you need one, made the roster over Chambers or Bryan!! That makes no sense! Chambers has been our most reliable backup at any position across offense and defense and Bryan at least had some upside!
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by poz on Sep 5, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
… well, they couldn’t keep 2 RBs. If it wasn’t McIntyre, it would have been Hall. You can’t make that type of comparison when minimum numbers aren’t met.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah right
minimum requirements…..
well then dump Justin Jenkins, isnt the WR minimum 5? Shawn Nelson can fill in as a 6th receiver in a pinch until Hardy is ready. I’m just still shocked we lost Chambers. Probably more upset than I thought I’d be, hes just been reliable.
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by poz on Sep 5, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not that it matters in any way, but is it posible they cut Matt Baker, not Matt Bowen?
by caboose on Sep 5, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea pretty sure thats a typo
baker was def cut
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 5, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL – whoops! Thanks for catching that. It’s fixed.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice MRW there… people are pulling those left and right.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW – Bowen writes excellent articles for National Football Post.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simpson?
Does anyone know what we got for Ko (should be quite a lot since he is after all worth millions…)?
by Tatunka on Sep 5, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Got a post up on that on the front page – might have to scroll down a bit. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 5, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Found it...
Yeah, that’s what I heard…Undisclosed…is that performance based or something? Or does OBD know and nobody’s saying until next year…
by Tatunka on Sep 5, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually if its undisclosed it means there are provisions attached to increase its value
It probably means that its nominally a 7th that goes to a 6th if he plays say, 40% of their defensive snaps, and a 5th if he plays the whole year type of thing. I do NOT know what we got for him, but personally, I cannot see anymore than a 7th.
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by WABillsfan on Sep 5, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how did gettin rid of DiGiorgio help? of course he’ll fail a physical, he on the IR. he has all year to get back in shape. why not keep him till next year, then decide?
by caboose on Sep 5, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We didn’t get rid of him.. He’s on IR after knee surgery
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by Kurupt on Sep 5, 2009 10:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i think they said up top that he was waived
by caboose on Sep 5, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this case since he was waived post placement on IR it means the Bills can give him an injury settlement
And he then becomes a FA who can sign with any team after getting healthy, but that the Bills get first crack, if I remember the setup correctly. Per PFT here are how the Waiverd/Injured thing works.
According to Florio this is how it works:
Before the first roster cuts, non-vested veterans (players with less than four years of service) can’t be automatically shipped to injured reserve. The goal is to prevent the stashing of young players.
A team that doesn’t want to expose a young player to waivers must wait until the first slicing of the roster from 80 to 75, at which time a non-vested veteran can be moved straight to injured reserve. It requires the team to use one less total body in practice and preseason games, but it keeps the young player from being exposed to waivers.
DiGi if I remember could go right to IR since this would be his 4th season meaning he is a vested veteran which means now that he is waived he can ask for an injury settlement from the Bills and becomes a UFA as soon as he is healthy. That means if the Bills need a body and he is healthy they can sign him to a 1 year deal to fill in if need be.
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by WABillsfan on Sep 6, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swing, and a miss. Didn’t you read the article? :)
caboose, it didn’t help them meet the roster minimum. I’m not sure why they did it.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 6, 2009 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, ho ho. I just misread it! I’ll take a timeout.
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by Kurupt on Sep 6, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big mistakes, IMO
Stupar, Bryan, Chambers. I really think Bowen should stick around too.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 6, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stupar and Bowen? Come on now! Stupar is a mediocre athlete that was decent against the 3rd stringers this preseason. He never looked that good.
Bowen showed next to nothing, IMO.
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by Kurupt on Sep 6, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They both will end up on the PS anyhow, not like we will lose them
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by WABillsfan on Sep 6, 2009 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with K.
Why does everyone have so much love for Bowen around here?
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by sireric on Sep 6, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They wanted him to be good so he could unseat Ellison. He is a nice guy, BTW. Chatty.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 6, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have thought that the emergence of Harris and Palmer would have quelled that more than it apparently did.
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by sireric on Sep 6, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but it takes a while for that hype to die down. A lot of people wanted Harris to start, too.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 6, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here are my personal observations after this round of ‘the turk’:
- I’m chocked and apalled that Corey McIntyre made the roster, a player who adds ZERO to this team at all, and one who won’t be able to carry the load one bit. Just think about if Omon goes down, then we’ll be looking at this useless specimen as our 2. RB, even though he’s slow, has no vision and is not able to catch a ball if his life counted on it.
- I’m almost mildly surprised to Jonathan Scott make the roster over Kirk Chambers, but that’s simply got to to be a matter of him being a better athlete, which he’s. In addition, he has a lot of upside, which might have factored in a bit.
- I’m happy to see that they did, as I candidly hoped they would, by keeping seven LB’s on the team. Ashlee Palmer is likely the best athlete of all these guys and could become a very strong backup in a few years, if not more, simply because he has terrific instincts and is a superb athlete.
- Bobby April has a TON of influence, when it comes to cutting players. I simply base that upon John Wendling somehow making the roster yet again, in spite of not doing anything but play ST, which he – to his credit – is sterling at.
- Jonathan Stupar didn’t make the roster, which I actually thought he would, but I suppose the thought of keeping four TE’s was a little unpleasant for the coaching staff. We’d better hope Derek Fine is ready to go, when we face the Pats on Monday Night, because he’s our best blocker and more important than what people think.
- I’m fond of them keeping six CB’s on the roster, which was what many of us advocated that they should do, as we have seemed a little short on CB’s the last few years, at least that’s the feeling I’ve had.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Sep 6, 2009 3:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Corey McIntyre thing is for one reason alone
Omon and Rhodes couldn’t pass protect worth anything, they stunk worse than week old wet dog doo at it. That is the ONLY reason he is still on this roster, and thats to play as the pass protector for Trent on select plays. If Omon or Freddy goes down before Lynch is back, your going to see a new guy brought in, plain and simple.
Once Lynch is off the suspension list, its either Omon or McIntyre that goes, and my money is on Omon, unless they feel that Freddy and Lynch can do an equal job in pass pro, but they are more needed as outlet receivers imho. And we rarely used three RBs last year when Lynch and Freddy were healthy. These first three games I bet we have all three active.
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by WABillsfan on Sep 7, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
11 Defensive Back?
So the Bills could literally “start” all of their defensive backs on Defense if they like, since they seem to be obsessed with secondary players.
Corto and Wehning? Same reason they got rid of Leonhard, who now starts for the Jets. They basically want to have a great special teams and no depth!
And what happens if Fred Jackson goes down? Welcome to the NFL Mr. Omon, who has no NFL experience. Put him up against the Pats, Saints, and Bucs = Unbelievable!
by BuffaloWhiner on Sep 7, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 7, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rhodes and chambers got a bad deal
with chambers, he played decent at right tackle last year when peters was out, in fact i think he played better than walker, he’s young, cheap and experienced
he can play guard and tackle, and i would have thought he’d start at right tackle over brad butler, now mckinney and bell are the only depth on a vary below average o-line
and rhodes, why, for the 1st 3 weeks we have no lynch and jackson with an injury, and then i was thinking when lynch came back they could use rhodes over jackson for a few weeks to try and give jackson’s bum hand a rest, but no, xavier the savior had to have a few good runs and in a meaningless game
and what upside does marcus buggs have over alvin bowen
they now have no depth at any position except for corner back, they are rediculous there, ellis lankster as like a 6th corner
but after trent, ryan fitzpatrick and hamdan, but they will never bring in garcia, he might hurt trent’s feelings, omon after freddy, not alot of experience anywhere at tight end, no backup o-line, no depth at dt or safety, and with this teams recent injury history it could be a very long year
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by I_Cut_Maybin's_Hair on Sep 8, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
… do you really cut his hair? Because if so – job well done.
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