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A brief look back at the Schoenert affair


With the season opener less than a week away now and a tumultuous weekend behind us, I thought it may be good time to take a brief look back at the L'affaire Schoenert. As always, items here are based on a a good deal of information from OBD as well as my own opinion, and i will try and discern between the two for you.  

First---Although Schoenert's firing surprised me when announced it was inevitable based on all that I know now. There were simply vast philosophical differences between DJ and Turk, and rank insubordiantion surfaced as these differences began to manifest themselves daily in practice and throughout the preseason.  It was never ever that DJ wanted a less sophisticated offense, it was simply that he wanted "less."  Fewer plays--but designed to take advantage of our strengths, plays that could be practiced and perfected reptetitively, plays that Trent had confidence in, plays that would finally give us what we need desperately on offense--an identity. Throughout the Spring OTAs and Camp, DJ repeatedely told Turk to slim down the huge vuluminous playbook. Practice was altered to attempt to do this. They fooled with the 40 second clock to force the offense to use fewer plays.   Turk's response was essentially, "Yeah, yeah, we'll slim it down," but this never happened.  We never got around to perfecting execution, because Turk was insitent on trying everything in the kitchen sink. Trent was hopelessly lost in the lack of communication between DJ and Turk, and Finally, immediately following the Lion's game, DJ had had enough and they made the move. Could the timing have been better? OF COURSE. But in the end DJ delayed because he believed that Turk would come around---after all, he was Schoenert's most ardent supporter in advocating him for the OC job. It was DJ's idea to promote him--and that move, which may cost DJ his job in the end, is on him. But he acted decisively when it became apparent that throughout the entire offense--staff and players alike---that Schoenert had gone completely off the reservation.  To the best of my knowledge, no member of the offense, Trent or Evans ever went directly  to DJ about this as has been widely reported.

To me anyway, Schoenert's "Pop Warner" comments on DJ's offense made on the way out tells you a lot more about him  than DJ.   You may think that that DJ is a lousy head coach, bad game manager, etc., and I realize that many of you do--I disagree, but this is America and you have a right to your opinion. One fact is inarguable, however. DJ has developed a huge reputation of respect and integrtiy throughout  the NFL for more than 35 years as a player, position coach, coordinator and HC. As one NFL person told me this weekend, "if you can't bust your hump for Dick Jauron, then you can't work with anybody."

Such is the irony of life that Turk torched the guy responsible for him getting the job in the first place as he exited. Tells you a lot. 

I understand that the entire attitude at OBD has greatly improved in only three short days, as the simmering between coach and OC has vanished and AVP has assumed control. He is widely respected and liked, and his vision of the offense is consistent with DJs. Righ now, his biggest job is to restore some confidence in Trent--not to mention getting ready for the Pats. No small task.

There is no telling now how this will ultimately work out. Personally I feel like we are now playing a huge game of "catch-up" on offense and the abilities of DJ, AVP, and the entire offensive staff and obviously Trent will be put to the ultimate test.

 

I will try and post before the end of the week with some "informed thoughts" on the season ahead.

Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.

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Personally I feel like we are now playing a huge game of “catch-up” on offense

This is worrisome – but indeed what I expected after the firing.

It seems to me that the obvious route to take is to get good at a few things – then once you perfect those – you add more and so on and so forth. Simple strategy that is used everyday with new employees at new jobs.

The NFL is setup the same way – until a player is proven that he can handle a job to perfection – dumping and piling information on him doesn’t help him grow. All of a sudden he’s got the deer in the headlights look that Trent has had lately.

I want a few things out of this:

1) I want plays that Trent likes to run – let him pick 20 or 30 plays that he likes – then work from there.
2) I want them to run things that are simple and effective in the gameplan. If it works – why go away from it?
3) Stick to things we know we are good at. If we suck at running sweeps – don’t force it. Don’t run things that we stink at – just dump that play and move on.
4) A better offense – i’m having a tough time thinking our offense could have been much worse than it was. We really have no where to go but up at this point – with the players we have – this should be achieveable if we run plays the players like.

I was all for keeping Schonert until he grows last season – but it was aparent that he wasn’t going to A)Mature and B) do what was necessary to field a good offense. Simply put – he was stubborn and ineffective. Props to K and the vast majority who wanted him fired long before I did. I know that I give people the benefit of the doubt to often – but it was clear that he was trying to run an offense that was geared towards players that were in the same scheme for 5 years.

This offense needs to start at the bottom and work towards something better. If that means having only 15 plays to choose from then that’s what we got to do.

GL DJ and Co. – you’re going to need it.

P.S. – AVP – tough situation there buddy – but only way to learn sometimes is to get thrown into the fire. You’re going to get some help – just don’t try to stress too much about it and have fun…..if you can

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by J2 on Sep 8, 2009 8:56 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

Nice post J2....rec'd

Teflon Jauron…..Nothing sticks to Dick

by Joe P. on Sep 8, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schonert

This firing had to happen. Although what this also signals is that Jauron made a mistake in hiring Schonert. Jauron has a coaching philosophy, and a standard of human performance he expects from his team, coaches, and organization. I’m not sure how much Wilson has undermined Jauron in his tenure, or if Jauron has indeed been the “BOSS” for his 3+ years in Buffalo, but one thing is clear….If you hire someone who will not carry out your orders, that will be insubordinate than you HAVE to fire their a**. I give credit to DJ for doing this, and nobody knows if it is too late to save the 2009 season before it begins. I hope for the sake of my favorite franchise that this move finally frees up Trent Edwards, that he can play to his strengths and that this team and this offense will unite together and rally behind DJ, AVP and TE.

Anybody who understands leadership and coaching in the NFL, knows that Jauron is at the top of the list. He runs a great ship, demands respect from his assistants and players, and treats them fairly and honestly. The problem with Jauron has always been his offensive side of the football. Finding a QB, OC, and a scheme that will produce points. He wants to LEAD games this year with his offense and then use his ball hawking secondary and Schobel/Maybin to get after the QB and produce TO’s. I think the world of Jauron as a coach and a leader. I just hope that this offense can find a way to click. If they start 1-3, 2-4, etc the pressure will mount, I just hope this offense will find its groove by mid season and help bring 10 wins to Buffalo

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by MARVelous on Sep 8, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Great insight as always—

It is unfortunate that this didn’t come sooner, but what can you do. One can sympathize with the situation DJ had put himself in, as he did push to promote Schonert and was blowing up in his face.
NOw the best thing to do is move forward, and the only positive is that sometimes great urgency can cause great success.
This week will either be a tough hard fought game, or its a going to look like a College football score (i.e. bad for us)

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 8, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

I couldn’t have worded the situation so clearly. The smaller playbook is something I thought they needed to do for years now. I think the biggest problem of the last few O-Coordinators was that they mistook volume for deception, when in fact they made our offenses easier to read. If you have a base formation or two and run all of your plays from the same look, you get the reverse of the “3-4” benefits. They know you’re coming, but not from where. Guys will have a chance to get comfortable at the line of scrimmage and running routes. Even the line should have an easier time with their blocking assignments if they don’t have to think too much about what was called. Hopefully they find the identity, and as much as I have high hopes for TO, I would prefer if our identity started and ended with Marshawn Lynch and Fred Jackson.

by syrbillsfan on Sep 8, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Great insight

Thanks G for your analysis. What you said makes perfect sense to me (if that counts for anything)….when I read the “pop Warner” comments from Turd I immediately thought there might be some truth to the philosophical difference stuff we were hearing. As for my hope for the opener and the season, simple can equal effective or predictable…. I believe past coaches of some import (Shula, Parcells, Lombardi) used much the same philosophy…. give your QB & offense a smaller amount of plays, practice and execute them to perfection and play sound defense… it will win you championships. Mind you, we’re not talking about Montana, Manning or Warner type QB’s, these coaches won with guys like Greise, Sims & Hostettler………. I think DJ is right, in spite of all his shortcomings…. make it easy for Trent & the O to excel and wins will come. Let’s all hope that the simplification produces results quickly. Also, Belicheck has defense issues (particularly the secondary)… maybe, given a well executed, simple game plan executed well will poise the boys for a MNF upset….. I’d take the Bills with the points.

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by Jax Bills Fan on Sep 8, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the confirmation, Geronimo

We had heard much of the Schonert Insubordination angle but it’s good to know that that’s what actually happened, not some reporters interpretation of events. It’s even better to hear that players weren’t going to Jauron behind Turk’s back; AVP won’t have to be looking over his shoulder constantly wondering who is griping to Jauron behind his (AVPs) back.

With the talent Buffalo has the Bills should be able to put some points on the board against the Pats—something the Bills couldn’t do in the preseason against league stalwarts like the Lions. Being kept out of the end zone yet again would be crushing. On the other hand, scoring a few TDs (whether winning or losing in the process) would be a huge boost to Edwards and the offense.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Sep 8, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

The starters didn’t play against the Lions Ron. You can’t criticize the offense for playing bad there….

~K
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by Kurupt on Sep 8, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you seriously think it would have mattered?

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Sep 8, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it wouldn’t have, but you can’t criticize them for something they weren’t involved in.

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by sireric on Sep 8, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, exactly

~K
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by Kurupt on Sep 8, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes you can, it doesn't make sense, but you can

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by WABillsfan on Sep 8, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree — scoring a few touchdowns would be amazing. It would be leagues better to lose 49-36 than to lose 17-3. Our defense is looking like it’s a top-half NFL defense, so giving up something like 36 points against Brady and the Patriots can be explained. Scoring 3, or 6, or 9 points in a game just makes me mad. It frustrates the hell out of me as a Bills fan.

by Dyl on Sep 8, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is basically the sames Bills defense that Brady and company walked through in Buffalo in 2007. What was it? 8 consecutive TD drives? Unless Brady is somehow worse (the rest of the offense should be on part with their 2007 unit) or Maybin and Byrd wreak all kinds of havoc I don’t see any realistic scenario under which the Pats score fewer than 35. And, like the 60ish points game in 2007, I hope the Bills send 8, 9 or 10 guys every time Brady steps back from the line when/if the Pats run up the score.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Sep 8, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The score was 56-10. They couldn’t be stopped. Randy Moss ate Jabari Greer for breakfast.

The annoying thing about the Patriots is that bugger of a chain mover Kevin Faulk. You can’t keep both eyes on Welker and Moss. We don’t have the linebacker to cover him (few in the NFL can). Brady going to him keeps our defense on the field and it just drags out the inevitable scoring drive.

by Dyl on Sep 8, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They put Matt Cassel in and he promptly threw a pick. Bellichick had Brady back in the next series. I wonder if he thought: “we’re not gonna get Oilered tonight.”

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 9, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It sound good

i just hope it works.

. It is exactly what i hoped the Bills were doing this year. The “keep it simple” aspect of the game plan and of the no-huddle strategy should go hand in hand. It is a little Colt/Manning like.

I like positive things coming from people that know more about this team than the talking heads of ESPN and the general media. The local papers have even become downers.

This team can do it this year, all i ask is a solid season to boost confidence and continue to grow through another healthy draft and off- season

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone"
-Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Sep 8, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

On the idea of ditching plays selectively

It’s a great idea to only go with plays the Bills run well and “like” to run. But they’d better jolly well gameplan for their opponents and the correct defenses they’re going to be facing! These plays they like right now, the ones that work right now, my question is what defense have they worked against? It’s important to bear in mind right now that Bills only have a sample of five preseason defenses and their own defense in practice with which they’ve even tried to attack. So we should be open to including plays (like sweeps) that might work in the regular season against things we haven’t seen. We should also not get too fond of plays that have worked in practice and maybe preseason but don’t work against their opponents in the regular season.

This is where offensive quality control comes in. It’s the job of that coach to break down film of our opponents to find tendencies, strengths, and weaknesses. If (hypothetically during the season) some team can’t guard against the sweep at all, we shouldn’t rule out calling a few of them.

The Titans fake punt in the HOF game is a good example. Should the Titans like that play come time for the regular season?

by Dyl on Sep 8, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks G
As one NFL person told me this weekend, “if you can’t bust your hump for Dick Jauron, then you can’t work with anybody.”

I wholeheartedly agree here. Jauron is loyal to a fault to his guys, it seems. All Schonert had to do was respect Jauron’s wishes and authority and he’d still have a job. It’s tough to believe anyone would find it hard to coach under him.

Such is the irony of life that Turk torched the guy responsible for him getting the job in the first place as he exited. Tells you a lot.

This was as predictable as Brett Favre unretiring. Schonert is one of the biggest pricks, one of the most pompous, self-aggrandizing jerks I’ve seen as a coach in some time. I cannot stand the guy and am SO happy he is gone. This move, though it should have been done in January, is one of the best of the Jauron era. Of course, it doesn’t help that he hired him in the first place, but I digress. Is it too harsh to say that I kind of hope he never gets another job in the NFL? He may be a quality guy for all I know, but he more than irritated me with his antics, insubordination and failure to accept any blame. Buh-bye.

Personally I feel like we are now playing a huge game of “catch-up” on offense and the abilities of DJ, AVP, and the entire offensive staff and obviously Trent will be put to the ultimate test.

Well, they were in catch up mode even before the firing of Schonert, weren’t they? Luckily, there was a full week and half after the firing for AVP, Jauron and everyone to build a rapport for week 1. I’m worried that AVP can’t get the job done, but feel there is enough time to get ready for NE. It’s not like our O could get any worse from how they were playing when Schonert was dumped, so it shouldn’t be as worrisome to everyone, I suppose.

I’m thrilled about them wanting to build an identity. That has been one of the major problems with this franchise under Jauron. What has been the identity? On D, they were supposed to be building a Cover 2 based unit, but have done a very poor job of adding personnel to run the D successfully. On O, it’s been constant failure, which is mostly due to poor players and playcalling, but a lack of an identity is part of that. We should be power running team, not a finesse offense. Let’s hope AVP can get this unit utilizing their strengths and running plays to take advantage of them. I personally think play action, crossing routes, screens and tosses are plays this offense has needed to run for a long time now. I hope he feels the same way.

Looking forward to your next post. Take care.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 8, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

identity

That’s really what needs to happen. That’s why slimming down the playbook is a great idea. Let’s find out what works, what Trent likes, the run looks the OL is capable of executing, and then let’s find multiple ways to run the same plays just with different looks. The demand for perfection needs to be permeated throughout the offensive unit. WR’s need to run routes properly and to perfection. The OL needs to communicate pre-snap, and Trent needs to audible to get the Offense in the right play. I think without lynch, our offense will struggle. Having Lynch AND Jackson is way better of a dynamic. I just hope Trent can come up big…I think he can if AVP can just put him in a position to succeed. That’s all he needs to do is just give him a chance.

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by MARVelous on Sep 8, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

as far as the catch up, at least its the same terminology, and instead of a “change up”, its more of a more focused retooling.
If they can just hone the offense for a specific week-to-week gameplan, then it could work.
And as you said, it can’t get any worse.

Jauron’s nuts must have dropped this year….Go Bills!

by killascript on Sep 8, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have been sitting in front of the TV on Sundays for the last two years begging for screens and play action. You wouldn’t think it would be that hard see watching the hours of film they have that that was a glaring need.

Founding member of the Dick Jauron Fan Club.

by taskersd on Sep 8, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why attack Schoenert's personally like that K?

he’s “one of the biggest pricks” and a “self aggrandizing jerk”. You can’t stand him?

you do realize that you don’t actually know the guy right? you just get his quotes in the paper and see the results on the field

maybe he’s not a great offensive coordinator, more likely I think he and DJ just don’t gel together…but I think you go over the line and weaken the integrity of your other, really thoughtful comments, when you say things like this

by tiimbitz4786 on Sep 9, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well-reasoned ttimbitz4786...

K gets a little worked up, but IT IS possible that K has met Turk and secured his feelings with first hand knowledge, I don’t know, but to assume he never has is wrong. I have never met the guy, but according to his quotes, I can make an educated guess that I would severely dislike the man too, he seems close-minded and quick to judge.

by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 9, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve met him – and I didn’t care for him much…

by krytime on Sep 9, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

His quotes going out the door certinaly make him look that way.

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 9, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks G

Great insight as always.

If anyone doubts that schonert was a problem let’s remember that its not DJs style to ever do something like this. Schonert had to have deserved. I already like avp because of his relationship with our qb, you can’t understate the value of that

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by poz on Sep 8, 2009 12:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Good point poz

and thanks G.

Teflon Jauron…..Nothing sticks to Dick

by Joe P. on Sep 8, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Wilson

I am so happy to see that G. did not mention Wilson as the one who made the call. I trust G. and this means that it was the right decision.

by labill on Sep 8, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey G...In the Rhodes release thread you stated...

that teams were interested in our depth and that more trades may be coming. Were you referring to the possibility of a L. Walker trade (assuming you knew that Bell would start and Walker was a backup)? Did you know this was coming or were you surprised as well? Or is there something else possibly in the works regarding player movement?

Either way, thanks again for your insight and information…

by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 8, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I was surprised

at the Walker release. I do know that we were trying hard to make a deal for a veteran linebacker who could also play special teams.

Geronimo

by Geronimo on Sep 8, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think there are any players that the Bills might trade or trade for before the season kicks off?

by thejimbo on Sep 8, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no way

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone"
-Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Sep 8, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for your insight...

I am probably one of the few who actually think we are going to be better off now than we were a week ago…thanks again G, I always appreciate you putting yourself out there for us…

by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 9, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know this is 100% off subject...

But, in honor of Brian, you should change your name to Geronimo Jackson.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Sep 12, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

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