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Six young Buffalo Bills with significant upside

As we continue to wait for news to break regarding the Buffalo Bills' search for a new head coach, we thought it'd be prudent to break away from the repetitive coverage and start talking about the shell of a football team that's on the verge of getting re-molded.

One of the key sticking points that's often bandied about when talking about top coaching candidates' unwillingness to come to Buffalo is their overall lack of talent. This is a valid concern, even if it's hyperbolized in Buffalo to an extent. Let's face it - Seattle isn't exactly brimming with untapped potential, either. While it's true that Buffalo does lack young, potentially elite talent in key positions, namely quarterback, there are young players on this team with the ability to turn into star players at their respective positions.

On the day he was introduced as Buffalo's new General Manager, Buddy Nix spoke briefly about his belief that the Bills' 2009 draft class has the potential to be a great one. He's right; there is a ton of talent to work with, and some of those players will be key in the re-building effort that Nix and his choice for head coach are about to spearhead. There aren't many names on this list, and I'm guessing that there are other players that you'll try to convince me belong on this list. As I see it, there are six players currently on Buffalo's roster that should be centerpieces of the initial re-building effort, that are locks to be on the 2010 roster regardless of who the coach is, and have the talent to become elite players at their positions.

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Shawn Nelson (24). Whenever you're talking about a skill position player, offensive line play and quarterback play are necessary ingredients to good seasons. Buffalo didn't have good, consistent play in either area this season, which is why Bills receivers, from the big names straight on down to Nelson, had poor seasons statistically. Nelson has some hurdles to overcome from a durability standpoint; he struggled with head, shoulder and ankle issues this season, and missed three games in total. But the 6'5", 240-pound tight end also proved this year that he's an excellent athlete capable of making difficult receptions in the middle of the field; that's something Buffalo hasn't had in quite some time. When you look at the success of a player like Jermichael Finley (55 catches, 676 yards, 5 TD in his second season), you see the type of potential that Nelson has. They're very similar player types. It will take better quarterback and line play, along with full health from Nelson and sensible offensive play-calling, but Nelson has the type of talent to play a heavy role in an offense, very similar to the one Finley plays in Green Bay already.

Andy Levitre (23). Say what you want about Buffalo's offensive line play this past season - believe me, it's warranted - but one wonders how different that unit might have looked had the original starting five been able to play together even the majority of the season, let alone all of it. Levitre did play the whole season, the vast majority of the time at left guard, and the fact that he made any strides at all playing next to a revolving door at left tackle speaks volumes to his intelligence and mental fortitude. Levitre isn't the type to overwhelm anyone physically, but he's nimble, plays with power and grit, and is technically sound to the point where he can surprise people. He looks like a perfectly natural fit at left guard, and he should probably be the only player considered to be a lock as a starter on the 2010 offensive line. He could develop into one of the more underrated interior linemen in the league in short order.

Eric Wood (23). Obviously, Wood's case is somewhat unique, given that he's currently beginning to work back from a devastating and gruesome leg injury suffered in mid-November. No one is even sure yet that he'll be ready for training camp or the regular season next year, though I believe that concerns over whether or not he'll play again are a bit over the top. That said, he was making strides at right guard - a position he probably shouldn't keep playing - and has the type of on-field demeanor that turns young linemen into unit leaders. Wood has a Nick Mangold quality about him in that he's a tough SOB that plays hard, smart, and with a "follow me" gravitational pull. He should be the anchor of the unit, as his mentality is the type that teams strive to replicate up front. Linemen will follow his lead. If he's ready to go next season - and again, that's a big 'if' - I suggest putting Wood at center and letting him grow alongside Levitre and whoever else ends up on the unit next year.

Aaron Maybin (21). Yes. Everyone's favorite 2009 whipping boy is on this list, and no matter how much you whine, he's staying here. Maybin had a terrible rookie season in which he logged 18 tackles, one forced fumble and very little playing time. There is absolutely no question that he has serious - I cannot emphasize the word "serious" enough here - strides to make in his game. It's also not clear precisely where he belongs on an NFL field - he struggled at the point of attack as a down lineman in 2009, but he also looked mighty uncomfortable on the rare occasion that he stood up. Maybin is very much a "project player" at this point. That said, there are reasons he was drafted No. 11 overall, even if you deem those reasons as poor rationale for the selection - he's got a great work ethic, a tremendous first step, and oodles of potential. He's very boom-or-bust; no one is denying that. But he's going to be here whether you like the guy or not, and it's absolutely critical that Buffalo's next defensive coordinator and position coaches find a way to tap into Maybin's immense talent.

Leodis McKelvin (24). As the only non-2009 draftee on this list, McKelvin is an intriguing case to ponder. He had a so-so rookie season in 2008 (32 tackles, 2 INT, 2 total touchdowns), but ended the '09 season with a bum ankle and a vandalized lawn. At this point, he might not even be a favorite to land a starting job next season; he won't have the support of the coaching staff that drafted him, and the Bills have two veteran cornerbacks more than capable of playing consistent, solid football on the outside. McKelvin did not make big strides from Year 1 to Year 2, as he struggled with his footwork and mechanics at the outset of this past season. Many question whether or not he's got the type of instincts that top-flight corners possess as well. But McKelvin remains one of the best pure athletes on the team, and while he may never be considered a shut-down cornerback, he still has the talent level to be very, very good. This is another boom-or-bust player whose future is highly dependent on the quality of Buffalo's next coaching staff.

Jairus Byrd (23). Here's the only guy that, to a fan, will universally appear on this type of list. He's Buffalo's lone Pro Bowl representative this year after a phenomenal rookie season in which he tied for the league lead in interceptions (9). Byrd, too, has some durability concerns, as he spent the entirety of the season, including training camp, battling with a groin injury and, later, a hip injury. He's not the biggest or most athletic guy in the world, which fuels those durability concerns. Many question whether or not he's enough of a physical presence to become a dominant two-dimensional safety, capable of making plays against the run as well as the pass. What he's proven to be already, however, is an elite playmaker in the secondary with absolutely tremendous ball skills. He's a positive factor for the team simply by being on the field, as teams must constantly be aware of where Byrd is. He might not grow much further beyond the player that he already is, but he's already a pretty excellent player.

I feel certain that some of you have names you'd like me to consider for this type of list. I also feel certain that some of you will have your own lists to submit. Feel free to do so in the comments section.

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I agree with everyone on the list.

And I feel like you could still include Hardy on that list as well.

by mob16151 on Jan 11, 2010 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

The only thing he's done of any significance is pull a a gun on his dad

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by Patssuck456 on Jan 11, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm…. why?

As I see it, there are six players currently on Buffalo’s roster that should be centerpieces of the initial re-building effort, that are locks to be on the 2010 roster regardless of who the coach is, and have the talent to become elite players at their positions.

I don’t think Hardy fits into any of these actegories much less all of them.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 11, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

You think theres anyway Hardy’s not on the roster in 2010? Thats 1 category he fits right there? Also he’s still a gifted athlete with high potential. Sure he hasn’t done much but does anyone remember Eric Moulds first 2 seasons in Buffalo? And Moulds was actually healthy those first 2 years.

by mob16151 on Jan 12, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s a lock he’s on the roster, no. I’m not saying I dislike Hardy or anything just that I’m not convinced a new coach won’t cut him though with T.O. and Josh Reed’s contracts up it’s probably a safe bet.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Hardy will have to earn his spot on the roster this camp and preseason. That shouldn’t be too tough for him to do, but I wouldn’t call it a lock either.

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by kaisertown on Jan 13, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

What's up with Hardy & Johnson?

It’s amazing how other team’s turned late round WR’s or Non-Drafted WR’s from this year’s draft into stars, but Buffalo has 2 WR’s that have been on the roster for the past 2 years that barely saw any playing time this season.

Josh Reed & Roscoe Parrish were better than both of these guys? Reed was certainly not an explosive player and Roscoe brought no value to the offense, or Special Teams.

by RIP058 on Jan 11, 2010 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

+1

Definitely on Stevie Johnson. I’ve seen nothing but good from him. One of my biggest disappointments of this season (up against some stiff competition!) has been a lack of time on the field for him.

But obviously, the poor O-Line and QB play may have negatively impacted on him. Maybe the Bills were shielding him from the debacle….!!!

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by SamUK on Jan 11, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? Shielding him from the debacle?

They didn’t seem to worry about sheilding a single other player from the debacle. That doesn’t even make sense. lol

by mob16151 on Jan 11, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Levitre

Didn’t he play left guard? In the article you have him at right guard…

by ballinbills1315 on Jan 11, 2010 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

Yep, fixed it. Thanks.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 11, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Tough to disagree with anything here Brian....

Nelson: He should be given every opportunity by the new staff to succeed and be a centerpiece of the offense. We saw some flashes of what he might be able to contribute this year, and his potential as a downfield receiving TE is off the charts. I see a lot of Finley in him, but Finley is a much, much more polished receiver/route runner. Oh how I wish we had picked him in 2008…Oh well, let’s hope Nelson has a similar jump next year!

Levitre/Wood: Both had some very good moments this year, but both also looked like rookies. I think this is a quality duo and will be a strong part of our offense for years (assuming Wood, ya know, plays again). I also think Wood at center makes the most sense, especially because he is apparently a strong leader and pretty smart. He’s got all the qualities that we want in a center, and I think it’s more than worth giving him a shot there this summer. Let Hang be the backup at all the interior positions, or even the starting RG if we don’t sign anyone, draft anyone or bring Incognito back. Levitre—Wood—Incognito/NewAcquisition/Hang is much more appealing than Hang in the middle, IMO.

McKelvin: Meh, I don’t know what to think about his future. I have yet to see anything I like from him as a CB, other than top notch athleticism. His instincts, are as you said, very questionable and his technique leaves a ton to be desired. He needs to work extremely hard this offseason and should be given every opportunity to win a starting job this year. He needs to earn it the hard way though, by outplaying Florence. This is a make or break year for Leo, time to man up kid. I do look forward to him reclaiming his return role, and potentially taking over as the full-time punt returner. The kid can be electric with the ball in his hands, and the Bills need to take advantage of that.

Byrd: I love his ball skills, but am not really impressed with the rest of his game. I think his ceiling is very, very limited and like you, I’m not sure he gets that much better other than in reading and reacting in the run game. His athleticism/size will always be concerning, so he will need to continue placing himself in the right position at the right time. We saw him struggle in run support this year, and he looked a step late, at times, in the passing game. Those areas should improve, but beyond that, I’m not sure how much more he can give us. I think he’s a younger Oshiomogho Atogwe. Average athlete, average size, poor run defender, excellent center fielder. I just hope he can improve in the areas that he is weak to become a much more rounded player. I’m not sure we can expect 9 INT’s, or even 5-6 INT’s every year, but we can expect improvement in the other areas, and I’m looking forward to watching him grow into a full-timer for us. He’s already given us more than Donte Whitner ever did.

Maybin: I’m not seeing Maybin’s potential and huge upside like you are. I have yet to see that fantastic first step we all heard about in the pre-draft process and after he was picked. He looks like he’s got a an average, or decent, first step for an NFL pass rusher. At least so far. I’d like to believe he’ll put on more weight/strength, but his body type isn’t one that looks like that’ll be a certainty. He needs to get stronger in order to give him the chance to disengage from blockers. He absolutely could not get by an offensive tackle at all this season, mostly because he just didn’t look strong enough (or quick enough). I’ve seen him likened to a Jason Taylor in terms of potential, but I don’t see the same fluidity in Maybin’s movements. He looks stiff to me and somewhat goofy when he’s running around. He’s probably still growing into and understanding his body, but this might be where I’m most concerned with him. Having an average, maybe above average first step, strength/weight issues and to me, only above average athleticism, does not lead me to believe he has unbelievable potential or immense talent. I think he has a ton of work to do this offseason, including working on some pass rush moves. I may be underrating his physical gifts, and I hope he completely proves every Bills fan wrong about him. It’s just the lack of any flashes this year, coupled with what appears to be a ton of work to be done, makes it hard for me to really expect much out of him. Prove us wrong Maybin!!!!

I’m not sure I see many other players that would deserve inclusion. We all wish Hardy and Johnson could be on here, but they haven’t done anything to prove they should be considered in this group. Huge offseason for both of them as well. One of them absolutely has to step up next year and prove he’s capable of being a big part of the offense. I actually have more confidence that it’d be Steve Johnson because he seems to move a little bit better. We’ll see though!

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by Kurupt on Jan 11, 2010 2:20 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Im totally with you on Maybin..........

but whatever……that horse has been beaten so much that all thats left is small pieces of bloody matted flesh surrounded by hair.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 11, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

by outplaying Florence.

Well if THAT’S all…

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by UZ on Jan 11, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose he has to outplay Corner too

HA!

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by Kurupt on Jan 11, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

On board with this:

Levitre—Wood—Incognito/NewAcquisition/Hang is much more appealing than Hang in the middle, IMO.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 11, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec-o-copter......I know....but I don't give a ........ :-)

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by Joe P. on Jan 11, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Great post, Rec'd, couple issues
At least so far. I’d like to believe he’ll put on more weight/strength, but his body type isn’t one that looks like that’ll be a certainty.

I don’t agree with you here. Maybin is thin everywhere compared to more muscled DE’s in the league. Unless his metabolism won’t let him add weight, he should be able to. His addition of weight prior to the 2009 Combine leads me to believe this is probable.

That said, what we’re really interested in is strength gains. Jason Taylor had trouble keeping weight on as seasons went on, but he also had developed a great deal of strength, which remained regardless of his weight on a scale.

I’ve seen him likened to a Jason Taylor in terms of potential, but I don’t see the same fluidity in Maybin’s movements.

Taylor wasn’t a force coming into the league out of Akron, including his rookie year. He was just a good/great athlete. Maybin is somewhat similar in that regard. Taylor’s movements are fluid, but also the result of a great deal of time in an NFL training program. Fluid movement relies on balance to a large degree, which is a function of working core muscles and other muscles and balancing the body.

The next few months are critical for Maybin. I think a solid, hard-working off-season turns him from his current state into a much better player.

See Anthony Spencer of the Cowboys. He’s only become a force in his past six games, after a largely ineffective previous 2 1/2 seasons. He was also an undersized end in college.

by Der Jaeger on Jan 11, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Hardy and Stevie

While both these players have “potential”, and it was painfully obvious that the coaching staff (especially on the offensive side of the ball) had a hard time letting young players on the field, each of these two havent shown much of anything. Hardy is still a project now going into his 3rd season as he still cant run routes properly (watch his gamefilm for the plays he got in on down the stretch), doesnt block well and still has trouble getting seperation at this level. Stevie took a step backwards this year. Last season he showed promise, but somewhere things went wrong. He started running improper routes, couldnt catch the ball (those that were catchable) and he too couldnt block. Worst of all, he had opportunities to see the field and earn his way on through special teams work and he couldnt do that. Now maybe the next coaching staff will fix things, but if you cant figure out by the last game of your second season what it takes to somehow make an impact and improve, you just have to move on.

by Kello on Jan 11, 2010 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

A nice break from the coaching discussions.

I’ve always been a big believer in players. The Bills have some good young players, however those players don’t play at the positions that matter the most (except for Maybin).

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 11, 2010 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

The O-line matters QUITE a lot, I think…

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by UZ on Jan 11, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Fort Worth would tell you that the tackles are more important than the guards, which is where he was going with that.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 11, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo.

;-)

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 11, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree. Although you could maybe put Byrd and safeties in that category too. It’s no coincidence that a few of the great NFL defenses are built around (or at least somewhat built around) safeties. If Byrd can make plays while in cover 1, he’s as big of a defensive asset as a player at any other defensive position could be.

And a guard like Levitre would become more important if he continues to improve as a run blocker and Buffalo finds a way to pair him with another good run blocker at OT (rookie?) or OC (Wood?). One great run blocker is nice (assuming that’s where Levitre might be headed), but if you can put two next to each other like Snee and McKenzie, Faneca and Mangold, etc …. I think that’s when a guard can become a really special player.

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by kaisertown on Jan 11, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I like Bryan Bulaga

Maybe the best run blocking OT in the draft and a mean SOB. If he ends up our 1st round pick, I don’t think I’d complain.

A Bulaga-Levitre-Wood-Hang/Incognito/OtherRG-Butler offensive line is one I can get behind. I totally agree that putting a very good run blocking tackle next to Levitre is a wise move.

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by Kurupt on Jan 11, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you think about

possibly having Bell at RT, with Butler at RG and Hang and Incognito as reserves?

by louiethegent on Jan 11, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

I wasn’t that impressed with Bell last year. For a RT, I want a guy who is a very good run blocker. I’m not sure Bell will be that guy anytime soon. We could probably do worse though.

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by Kurupt on Jan 12, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

the Bills can always do worse.

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by poz on Jan 12, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think certain positions on a roster are premium positions. However, I don’t think that premium players at non-premium positions are as valuable as premium players at premium positions.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 11, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Upside . . . potential . . .

That’s the optimistic way to look at. The way I like to look at it. But realistically, this is a team with a helluva lot of young players/high draft choices that are total question marks. I’m not even sure how talented I’d say some of them are. In any event, anybody who thinks they can be sure about these guys is kidding themself.

(1) Eric Wood: Is he coming back 100% from that injury? No idea.

(2) Aaron Maybin: Boom or bust? No idea.

(3) Brian Brohm: A potential starting QB? No idea.

(4) James Hardy: Can he be a big-time receiving threat? No idea.

(5) Marshawn Lynch: I think he’s a solid back, but there seem to be a lot of concerns on this board anyway about him staying out of trouble. I also thought he regressed this year, gaining some weight, spending a lot of time dancing in the backfield instead of picking up yards, and finally losing out on the starting RB job. So . . . next year? No idea. Not sure he’s even going to still be here.

(6) Leodis McKelvin: A shutdown corner? Or is he going to be just a guy? No idea.

(7) Shawn Nelson: No idea.

I’d like to be positive about all these guys, but honestly I’m leaning the other way on most of them now.

by Applsoss on Jan 11, 2010 2:33 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd....good post.

The only place I would disagree is Nelson. He has already shown more than enough potential to justify where the Bills took him. The kid can catch. If he keeps improving his blocking, then he will be the best TE we have had in 10 years.

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by Joe P. on Jan 11, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

He was #2 among rookie TEs this season. Nelson was my favorite pick of their draft.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 12, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if that is saying much

He only had 18 catches for 157 yards and a lone TD.

He was actually third in receiving for rookie TE’s. Brandon Pettigrew and Zach Miller both had better numbers.

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by Kurupt on Jan 12, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering the guys we had at QB...that stat is freaking amazing!!!!!

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by Joe P. on Jan 12, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Nelson missed some time too. He started the season with two other TEs that Buffalo intended on using also in the mix. There were 9 TEs taken either before Nelson or less than a round after him. I thought he had a really solid season.

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by kaisertown on Jan 12, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Now back to Brian's post

Wood and Levitre will anchor this line for years to come, there’s no doubt about that. I also agree that wood needs to be moved to center. Its a more natural position for him and I believe it would better suit this team to have a stronger and more stout center, which is what Wood is. Hangarter would be a great backup on the interior.

Nelson will probably take another year or two to develop as he puts some more weight and muscle onto his frame to handle the rigors of the NFL, but he also needs to refine his blocking to become an adequate all downs contributor. Having said that, his current ability as it stands is scary for opposing defenses, since he is a matchup nightmare and what he has shown so far is good considering he is barely scratching the surface.

Maybin I’m not sure is the future. Right now, he seems to be a player that fits only a specific scheme unless coached up. I agree that he is a project and because of that, not worth dumping. Im just not sure where his ceiling is. If his work ethic is as good as they say it is, wouldnt you think he shouldve made more of an impact?

Byrd will get better. Yes, he is slightly limited in his abilties to get better physically, but remember, he is transitiong from cb to safety and did it during his rookie season. Add in the fact that he was never healthy and you see why his ballhawk instincts were well ahead of his run game abilities. Expect him to get better.

McKelvin had a nightmare of a sophmore campaign. Yes, McKelvin has things that he needs to work on, but in a way, who on this team doesnt? McKelvin is a cb who is more like Nate Clements, he needs to be allowed to play more man coverage. Unfortunately, the old staff played the crappy Tampon 2 with our db’s giving 7-10 yds of cushion most of the time. McKelvin needs to be a player who is allowed to make plays and use his abilities. Thats what he was allowed to do last season when he first got on the field due to McGee’s injured knee.

by Kello on Jan 11, 2010 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

good list

My list would be:

Andy Levitre

Eric Wood – I take his injury far more seriously than you do Brian, lets hope we see him next year. Either way, his development takes a hit.

Marshawn Lynch - I’m amazed how quickly we’ve all moved on after one bad season in which he made the mistake of putting on weight. That never works, Adrian Peterson was going to do the same thing before someone with sense talked him out of it.

James Hardy – I still think he can be a good player for us. How did anyone expect him to emerge this year coming off a serious injury and playing in this offense?

Shawn Nelson

Leodis McKelvin

Paul Posluszny - I think Poz has tremendous upside with better coaching. He is ferocious, a leader, tough, and determined. I’m betting a new coach will be good for him and I think there is a lot more to see from him.

Kyle Williams – Still young, finally getting recognized, and figuring out just how good he can be. I think Kyle began his upward slope two seasons ago but really got going this year. I still see two more years of improvement before he plateaus.

Jairus Byrd

Donte Whitner –

Yup, thats right. I have Whitner on my list. The guy can still get a lot better. If you’re seeing a theme that I think a new coaching staff can get more out of our young players than the past regime than your also seeing how I felt about the last coaching staff.

I left Aaron Maybin off the list because you have to do something on the field to even get on the roster of young guys with potential. I still have hope, I really do. But Aaron Maybin was this years Vernon Gholston and that is scary.

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by poz on Jan 11, 2010 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

James Hardy hasn't done much at all by your merits.
I left Aaron Maybin off the list because you have to do something on the field to even get on the roster of young guys with potential.

by NordicBillsfan on Jan 11, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

well Hardy

had two great touchdown grabs before being derailed by injury, so he flashed potential before injury set him back. Maybin hasn’t been hurt and has been a ghost.

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by poz on Jan 11, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Two?

He had the nice one in Jacksonville. His other came late in a blowout loss to New England that was caught on a typical intermediate pass down the sidelines.

I don’t think Hardy has flashed anything….other than maybe being a redzone option. He hasn’t shown any ability to separate or get open, showed iffy hands at times last year and has yet to prove if he can block or not….

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by Kurupt on Jan 11, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

route running has been an issue too.

Hopefully some of TO’s training and way of going about the game of football rubbed off on him.

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by bflo on Jan 11, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, two.

That’s still two. I liked em both. I was at the game when he caught the blowout one and believe me everyone in a Bills jersey at that game was happy someone got it in the paint.

I think Hardy has flashed potential, he needs to prove it. He hasn’t shown any less than fan favorite Stevie J.

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by poz on Jan 11, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahahahahah it is isnt it

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by poz on Jan 11, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Im excited to see Nelson grow over the next offseason. Watching that GB-AZ game yesterday and seeing Finley all year made me think of what Nelson can become (great analogy Brian)

Levitre was solid all year.

I think McKelvin will end up being the nickle back next year because Florence is a better cover corner IMO. But with that being said having McKelvin as our 3rd corner is a lot better than having Corner as our 3rd corner…

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by bflo on Jan 11, 2010 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

Other OL

Do you think other OL… Bell, Butler, Meredith in particular, could be rising stars?

by Rick A on Jan 11, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

I think Meredith will end up starting at RT in 2010 IMO.

I was pretty impressed with him. Do I think he’ll be a Pro-Bowler? No. But I think he’ll be a pretty darn good player and think he can hold down the RT spot.

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by bflo on Jan 11, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Bell has a decent shot

at RT and like bflo I think Meredith has potential as well.

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by poz on Jan 11, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I dont see either as an LT but both could be battling each other for that starting RT spot. Butler is probably better right now but injured 3? years in a row doesnt help build much confidence in him with me. Plus I like the idea of young, athletic guy at RT, especially with all the sweeps we ran last year that Freddy racked up quite a few yards.

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by bflo on Jan 11, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

totally agree

I expect Bell and Meredith to battle well into training camp for the RT role and I also expect a new coaching staff to cut losses with Brad Butler. At some point a guy who’s always injured isn’t acceptable in the NFL.

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by poz on Jan 11, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Always injured is one thing

Always missing games is another.

Prior to the unlucky knee injury, Butler had only missed 3 games since he became a starter. That was also due to an unlucky knee injury. Sure, he’s been nicked up, but he usually suits up and plays, and plays pretty well.

I’m not holding his injury past against him, because I think he’s partially blown out of proportion.

Why would they cut their losses with him? He’s a good, quality starting caliber offensive lineman that is CHEAP. His contract calls for a salary of just $1.55M for each of the next 3 seasons. Cutting him would be a dumb move, IMO. When he gets the knee healthy, he can fight for the starting RT job again, or slide back into guard, or be a very good backup. There’s very little risk in keeping him around.

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by Kurupt on Jan 11, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Posluszny has missed a lot of time over the last few years too, but nobody is calling for his release. Donte Whitner hasn’t been a beacon of health either. Butler didn’t have injury issues in college and has only missed a handful of games outside of his two very serious injuries. He’s certainly an injury risk, but I think that Buffalo is in a position to take risks. I’d pencil Butler in as a starter and see how his body holds up next year. Let’s role the dice on a good player and see if he can avoid those major injuries for a few straight years.

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by kaisertown on Jan 11, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you guys are right

and its wierd that K says hes only missed three games, I remember him missing random games often. Maybe it was in my head. Either way, I think when a new coaching staff comes in guys who are injured a bit and who aren’t proven commodities are sometimes suprise cuts. I wouldn’t be suprised is all, if he was gone.

I also wouldn’t be suprised if he was moved back to guard, Wood/Hang at center depending on health concerns for Wood, Levitre at guard and then bringing in their own tackle while Meredith and Bell battled it out on the right.

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by poz on Jan 11, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Butler is indeed an injury concern

but i really think this year’s injury was a result of bad luck. i would be much more comfortable with him as our RG and Wood as our C.

by NordicBillsfan on Jan 11, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree Butlers injury was a stroke of bad luck, but as poz said, with a whole new coaching staff coming in an average O-lineman with an injury past might not make it with them. I wouldnt be upset if he was used as a depth, spot starter for injuries but I cant see him being a season opener starter like I see the winner of the potential Bell – Meredith battle.

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by bflo on Jan 11, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

One this to remember about Maybin is that he is only 21. He can play 2 or 3 more seasons before he reaches the age of any of the other players on the list. That’s a lifetime in NFL years. It’s way, way, way to early to write him off. As much as we would have liked to see him start this year no NFL team drafts someone his age and expects to have them contribute immensely immediately.

On another note, in regards to Brohm, it is interesting to look back at some of the 2008 mock drafts and player analyses. Before the combine, during his seinor year at Louisville, he was considered by almost everyone to be a top 10 pick, if not #1 overall. I’m not saying he’s the savior, or even a future starter, but there has to be something that that everyone was so high on before he slid to the second rd. in the draft.

by biffalobull on Jan 11, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

exactly.........

I dont understand why Brohm was brought in if they didnt have a longer term plan for the kid…..if not, they coulda just stuck with Hamden…….

I honestly think Buddy Nix may have had something to do with it, even though it happened before he was officially named the GM.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 11, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

good point. I dont see why you would go after a QB from a practice squad to be your 3rd stringer. Seems like he was brought in to POSSIBLY take over but definitely at least compete for the #1 job.

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by bflo on Jan 11, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent points regarding Maybin

The problem that I have whether Maybin will turn into a player eventually or not……..Is the fact that the players we passed up, Cushing, Oher, and Clay Matthews and Orakpo, had good rookie seasons. So in other words, we could have drafted a player who looks like a bonafide Pro Bowler. Whereas, with Maybin, we will wait and see.

by BuffaloWhiner on Jan 11, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

The real problems with Maybin are:

1. We needed an impact player asap and drafted a project with our first pick.
2. We are paying him a ton of money. For nothing.
3. Let’s just say for aguement’s sake that he is actually good in two years. Then, when his contract is up we will either:
     a. Pay a ton of money to keep him.
     b. OR let him go because we don’t want to pay him that much (after a huge investment) and he goes off to sign a big, fat contract aka Clements and Winfield after we developed him.

Bad draft day decision based on our needs.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 11, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

1. We needed an impact player asap and drafted a project with our first pick.

The Bills needed talent. The coaching staff needed immediate impact.

2. We are paying him a ton of money. For nothing.

We are paying him a ton of money because that’s what happens with draft picks. Can’t do a whole lot about it.
3. Let’s just say for aguement’s sake that he is actually good in two years. Then, when his contract is up we will either:
     a. Pay a ton of money to keep him.
     b. OR let him go because we don’t want to pay him that much (after a huge investment) and he goes off to sign a big, fat contract aka Clements and Winfield after we developed him.

Like Lee Evans? We let Winfield go because we had two good corners – McGee and Clements. You can’t pay three guys to be starters so they chose the younger guys. Do you think Clements is worth his contract? I think the Bills have handled the CB situation wonderfully and it looks especially great in hindsight.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Great Write-Up Brian

This is one of my favorite reads here in a while and, as someone else said, a nice break from the coaching talks.

I’m really glad that you included McKelvin here. I really think he still has great potential as a corner and I thought he was going to have a breakout year before getting hurt so early on. I just hope he comes back next year stronger than ever and ready to make everyone forget about the 2009 play that shall not be discussed.

It’s nice, in a time of such uncertainty and frustration with the team, that we can look at some solid young core players that have a chance to lead this team into the next era.

by nickfeely8 on Jan 11, 2010 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

the lack of Talent on this team is scary

we need a QB an Oline WR’s and are only decent RB is 29 and our Defense is grossly undersized…can u imagine what this team would do if we got to the playoffs this year just hypothetically… just picture that in ur head for a minute… playing against Baltimore or the Jets for instance what would those games would look like good… we are awful and it will take years to fix

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by BRIANMULHALL on Jan 11, 2010 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

Maybin

If your 1st round draft pick does not come in and start, he is a bust.

by Greg in UT on Jan 11, 2010 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

we drafted him as a RDE, and we have Schobel as a RDE

many people can see a problem with this scenario in terms of starting immediately

by NordicBillsfan on Jan 11, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeahhhh..........

Every first round rookie who doesn’t start right away is a bust……..mmmmhhhmmmmm. Good luck convincing anybody of that.

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by Kurupt on Jan 12, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, is that how the rule reads? Sheesh, I must be behind in my Rules of Ill-Advised Snap Judgment literature.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 12, 2010 5:16 AM EST up reply actions  

What about Aaron Rodgers? He waited 4 years before he started a game.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 12, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Bust

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by Kurupt on Jan 12, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Sir Mix a Bust.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 12, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what problem your talking about

I believe that in order to make the team better, the team must draft players to upgrade the personnel. The teams number one pick must be good enough to the starter.

by Greg in UT on Jan 11, 2010 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

i think his point

is that they should have draffted someone to come in and start at a position of need. I think we needed a DE badly as evidenced by Schobel’s imminent retirement but I think thats what hes saying.

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by poz on Jan 11, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

No one knew Maybin would get drafted and disappear for a season. I guarantee that not a single NFL scout or self-professed expert could have seen it coming, with his season unfolding the way it did.

I still think that stupid Crabtree issue really tied up Maybin’s potential. Missing that much camp (ALL of it) did not help him get acclimated with his teammates, the schemes, or the rigors of the NFL.

I think Maybin should be cut a little slack with the fanbase.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 12, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

"If you 1st round draft pick..."

Dosn’t come in and start than he’s a bust."

I just though I would list the first round busts from last years draft according the the depth charts at sportingnews.com:

Jason Smith, Andre Smith, B.J. Raja, Knowshon Moreno, Malcolm Jenkins, Larry English, Robert Ayers, Donald Brown, Kenny Britt, and Evander Hood.

Add Maybin to that list and you have 11 players, more than 1/3 of the first round. Having a problem with the pick is fine, but it is way to early to have a problem with the player.

by biffalobull on Jan 11, 2010 9:08 PM EST reply actions  

Add Lankster...

I like Lankster a lot and hope he gets a shot at more playing time next year.

by Rob B on Jan 12, 2010 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

I look at him and Cary Harris in much the same light. They did a couple good things, made but made some serious mistakes. If they have a good offseason, come in and do something in a nickel or dime role in preseason, i’ll be more optimistic. Before that, they’re just 6th and 7th round draft picks that are long shots at making the club.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 13, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

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