Dump on Lynch
by Undee on Jan 11, 2010 4:53 PM EST
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PrintFirst, I would like to see what people feel Marshawn Lynch's trade value is. Where you stand on that will frame how you respond to this post.
On Feberuary 11, 2009, Lynch was arrested and charged with felony possession of a concealed firearm. When we first discussed this, I stated "Consider a trade," and was met with an overwhelming 'NO!' I didn't see one Rumbler back my sentiment, and in retrospect, his trade value was pretty high then. In full disclosure, I also later admitted that if I were running the show at OBD, it would be almost impossible go through with it. It would be as much to show all players what OBD tolerates, as to minimize the character liabilities on the roster.
After a season that saw very little production from Marshawn, and before the latest alleged $20 troubles, sireric made a case for a trade in a nicely written fanpost. The general sentiment of the comments seemed to be polarized between the two camps: (1) Marshawn Lynch is talented, but unreliable enough to warrant a trade, and the team needs to look forward at this point; and (2) he is too valuable on this team to trade, according to what he would return.
And that brings me to my point. I am asking those who are using unrelated threads to insert a "trade Lynch" snippet to think about what the real implications are. Consider that ML's value is at an all-time low, and his potential to be great in the long run is still viable. I hope this discussion, at least, will help us decide that the time to trade ML is either in the past or in the future, and we can stop random comments for now.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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When I wrote that post I thought that the Bills needed to deal Lynch before he had a chance to make another mistake. Unfortunately Lynch acted first. I don’t know that I am convinced this latest Lynch incident is going to get him a year long ban. It sounds too weird and really just plain stupid. At this point the Bills might have to keep him because his value is nil if you ask me. What team is going to give up valuable picks for a guy that has obvious issues? If those issues weren’t obvious before (they were to some of us) they certainly are now. The Bills might be able to throw him into a bigger deal but I don’t see that happening either.
One thing I know for certain is that sooner or later the Bills need to start to plan for life without Marshawn, because he just added another bullet in his chamber.
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by sireric on Jan 11, 2010 5:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I was going to reference your roulette analogy. I think it works well.
The upside is that I see an opportunity to help a dude with obvious issues develop into an upstanding player.
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Agreed....rec'd. Maybe Lynch really likes being a Bill and killed his trade value in an attempt to stay with the team? Yeah, I know :-(
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Ha. He must not be a fan of money either. When contract time rolls around, these things will factor in. Save those $20’s, my friend.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 13, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Keep Marshawn
he is young and has a ton of potential and has already been productive in this league. You don’t throw a guy to the curb who had a down year when the entire team was down. Especially when you’ll get garbage in return. Oh yea, and especially when your other back is going to be 30 years old.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
plenty of people threw Jason Peters under the bus after his down year.
and Lynch is justifiably doing it to himself. both players down years were a result of their actions. that being said i would like a 3rd for him but would settle for a 4th. at least that player has better odds of seeing the field next year.
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 11, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Jason Peters
has been terrible this year too. He got McNabb killed all game against hte Cowboys and hasnt lived up to the hype all season.
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but he did make the pro bowl
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 11, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
At this point I have to agree. Lynch has basically killed any trade value he would have had. Right now the Bills would be lucky to get a Mike Vick game used Jock strap for him. Why not keep him and hope he can straighten up? I don’t think he can, but of course we are at the point of no return, (get it? no return.)
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
This, minus the jock strap image, is what I think. I think he can turn the corner.
(get it? no return.)
The trade value or the (alleged) $20? :)
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hahahhaha i do get it
and its entirely true. We are at the point of no return. I would probably be open to trading Lynch for Vick and some scraps. What say you?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
If I am taking a QB off the Eagles roster I would rather have McNabb. Given the injuries that Westbrooke suffered this year they may be willing to take Lynch back as part of a deal. Obviously it would take more then Lynch but if I could throw him in as a part of the deal I’m okay with that.
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Entirely agreed. We might only be able to count on Freddy to be our lead back for one or two more seasons. I think that this was his career year and that he’s never going to match it again… unfortunatly.
Keeping Marshawn makes sense right now because his trade value is horrible and his potential is still great. Who knows, maybe he does need a one year sustension to finally “get it”. And maybe after that he’ll jump to being a star to this league. I think that thats more likely to happen after a one year suspension then a total flop for his career is likely to happen.
Basicly we have to keep Marshawn for the long run now because of our lack of options. My feeling is that Marshawn will never be a superstar, but as long as he has a backup that can succesfully take 10-12 snaps per game, he will be a very successful #1 back in a 2 back system.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 12, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
I voted a 3rd-4th rounder, but I’d guess that his realistic return is a 4th rounder.
On his value, I don’t think that his down year production-wise really hurts his value. He’s a known commodity. It’s his off field run ins and entitled attitude that hurts his value.
One thing to consider about the trade/keep Marshawn debate is who the next coach will be. A guy who could mentor him like Leslie Frazier might make me want to keep him. A different players coach would make me want to trade him. Not sure what to think of a disciplinarian though.
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good point on a motivator.
and Marshawn. Lets also remember a guy like Russ Grimm or B Schott who have built o-lines and running games (or at least tried) would probably want Marshawn and Freddie. Both come from two back systems.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I think Marshawn belongs in a two back system. I don’t think that he’d cut it as a featured back. He needs a backup that can pick up about 10 carries per game.
Jesus, if that mouthy little f***er didn’t manage to get open so often I think I would have punched him in the face years ago. - Tom Brady on Wes Welker
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 12, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Essentially, a new coaching staff is akin to a new team for Lynch (and everyone else). I’d shelf all preconceived notions on player management right now.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 11, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Let's get a real player, not a draft pick
I don’t have a problem trading Lynch, but not for draft picks. Our history in the draft makes it to risky to trade Lynch for a draft pick. He is a starting RB, not an elite RB, but a starting RB none the less. Let’s get a a starting OL that is similar in age.
Some speculation.....
Take this for what it’s worth – but I golf in a league with lots of genesee/wyoming/erie sheriffs.
I was talking with one of the guys last season and he said that the Lynchs were well known as troublemakers – most notably his family as troublemakers as well. it is known that the all sheriffs know where he lives because they are always causing issues.
it is possible (although highly unlikely) that this latest offense is a ploy to get him out of Buffalo – seeing as it was from a cops wife.
that’s a whole lot of speculation and probably false assumptions – but possible i suppose.
but I do know that him and his family are widely known as law breakers (at least from a cops POV)
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