A brief draft history of Buddy Nix
Today's Tuesday. The Buffalo Bills have now had an empty chair in the head coach's office at One Bills Drive for nearly eight full days, and given the nature of their search, that streak is likely to continue a while longer. GM Buddy Nix has his work cut out for him, as he still reportedly has several candidates to interview for the post. He's also got that tiny task in front of him of making the Bills not stink anymore, too.
Nix, obviously, is the key figure in Buffalo for the time being (we're guessing that once the new head coach is hired, he'll command most fans' attention for a considerable stretch of time). As such, it's important for us to get our heavy discussions on Nix in before the big news breaks.
What follows after the jump is an examination of the work that Buddy Nix has done in 17 years' worth of front office experience at the NFL level. In essence, this is his resume for the job he currently holds; we doubt his coaching experience had a tangible bearing on owner Ralph Wilson's decision to name Nix his GM. This post is not about the process that led to Nix's hire in Buffalo; we've had that discussion too many times to be interested in it. The deed is done, and for better or worse, Nix will be calling the personnel shots in Orchard Park for the foreseeable future.
This is what he's done. It's up to you to decide if you're still comfortable with Nix running the show once the discussion heats up.
At age 70, Nix has only had two major stints in NFL personnel offices. The first came in Buffalo, while the second came in San Diego. His third major stint began on January 1, 2010.
Stint 1: Buffalo Bills regional scout (southeast specialization), 1993-2000
Nix spent his first eight years in NFL personnel focusing the majority of his attention on draft prospects in the southeast. He did this on the staff of the late GM John Butler, who was in Buffalo running the show post-Bill Polian.
In those eight years, the Bills drafted 27 players from southeastern schools, with very mixed results. Clearly, Nix wasn't the man pulling the trigger on those selections, but given his job specialization at the time, it's fairly certain that Butler was relying heavily on Nix's opinions when drafting these players. Nix was, after all, the scout who paid closest attention to these prospects for the longest amount of time.
The Bills found some good players from the southeast during this time period. We'll focus specifically on players selected within the first three rounds of the draft, as that's where teams typically make their most important draft-day decisions. Nix's "hits" include cornerback Thomas Smith, receiver Eric Moulds, linebacker Gabe Northern, linebacker Sam Cowart and receiver Peerless Price. All four of those players were long-term starters in Buffalo, even after Nix departed in some cases, and made significant contributions to the team.
The team also had significant southeast misses during this time frame. Again focusing on players drafted in Rounds 1, 2 or 3, Buffalo whiffed on players like Bucky Brooks, tackle Corey Louchiey, safety Travares Tillman and linebacker Corey Moore. The team did redeem themselves somewhat with solid later-round picks from the southeast, including cornerback Ken Irvin, running back Jonathan Linton and linebacker Keith Newman.
Stint 2: San Diego Chargers Assistant GM and Director of Player Personnel (2001-2008)
In San Diego, Nix's responsibilities diversified. He was now coordinating pro and college scouting, and on the college scouting, his attention was no longer focused on a specific region of the nation. Nix was essentially getting his first national scouting experience, a position he held in 2009 with the Bills. During his tenure in San Diego, Nix again did not make final decisions, but is said to have been heavily involved in the draft-day process with Butler and, after Butler passed away, A.J. Smith. Those two men trusted Nix and his opinions.
Clearly, the Chargers have been one of the better-drafting franchises of the past decade. With Nix as a crucial element in the scouting process, the Chargers drafted the following well-known and highly productive players within the first three rounds of the draft: running back LaDainian Tomlinson, quarterback Drew Brees, cornerback Quentin Jammer, linebacker Ben Leber, cornerback Drayton Florence, quarterback Philip Rivers (acquired via trade), defensive lineman Igor Olshansky, linebacker Shawne Merriman, defensive end Luis Castillo, receiver Vincent Jackson, cornerback Antonio Cromartie, tackle Marcus McNeill, and safety Eric Weddle.
Nix is said to have been particularly adamant about Cromartie, a draft-day gamble that exploded onto the scene in his second pro season with 10 interceptions and a Pro Bowl berth.
San Diego hasn't been perfect - no one is - but their list of misses within the first three rounds is not significant, and their incredible success off-sets much of the poor showing from this group of players. Safety Tay Cody, guard Toniu Fonoti, cornerback Sammy Davis, tackle Courtney Van Buren and linebacker Anthony Waters made very few, if any, contributions to the successful Chargers teams of the past decade.
The Chargers have had plenty of success finding good to outstanding players in later rounds, as well. Tight End Justin Peelle, linebacker Matt Wilhelm, punter Mike Scifres, linebacker Shaun Phillips, running back Michael Turner, tackle Shane Olivea, running back Darren Sproles, tackle Jeromey Clary and receiver Legedu Naanee were all drafted in the fourth round or later during Nix's tenure.
The catch
Now, Nix takes the successes and failures he's overseen in two major stints in pro personnel to the GM post in Buffalo. This is all we have to go on for the moment; it's the only tangible evidence of the type of player that Nix targets. It is incredibly important to caution that Nix has never had final say over any personnel decisions until this point of his career, so he does not deserve complete credit for any of the great players the Bills and Chargers drafted in his stays - nor complete credit for any players the teams missed on.
One important note, however: teams that Nix have been on have had success drafting quarterbacks. In particular, the Chargers had their hands on three franchise signal-callers with Nix in town, including Brees, Rivers and Eli Manning, whom the team dealt to New York for the rights to Rivers. That's clearly important in Buffalo, where the team has been searching for the heir apparent to Jim Kelly for well over a decade.
(Keep your eye on Charlie Whitehurst, by the way. San Diego drafted him in 2006 out of Clemson - a southeast school - and he's been sitting behind Rivers and Billy Volek for four full years now. He'll be 28 next pre-season, has solid NFL measurables across the board, and might be a guy Nix takes a look at if he's looking for a younger guy to throw into a quarterback competition. Whitehurst is scheduled to be an RFA this year. No, I have no inside information on this, it's just something to keep in mind.)
Your thoughts on the draft history of Buddy Nix are, of course, welcome in the comments section. There really isn't anything tangible that we can learn here about Nix the decision-maker, but there are enough superstar players in that list to bring forth an interesting discussion, at any rate.
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San Diego Stint:
Wow. Just…wow.
"It took twenty five years to get there, and they did it in championship style" - Van Miller 1/20/91.
First 7 years in Buffalo seemed to be “hit and miss”. The next 7 years in S.D> are very impressive and full of the type of players I think most of us would like to see on our roster. I don’t want to get too excited, as Brian said, he didn’t have final say, however, he seems to have improved and learned from the earlier Buffalo stint.
Here’s to hoping he continues to improve. We wanted a GM with a focus on personnel. Now we got him.
The key here
Is that Butler dragged him to San Diego with him. That should tell you the influence Nix had with Butler on credible choices. Hit and miss in Buffalo and slammers in San Diego.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
I wonder...
did he have anything to do with finding Antonio Gates? If he did, I’d call that a successful find…
San Diego found Kris Dielman, Jacques Cesaire and Stephen Cooper as undrafted players that year too. Ridiculous.
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Yea this guy is all good n stuff until he passes up on McClain and selects Anthony Davis who turns out to be a big bust because e is injured his whole career
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Injuries?
What are you talking about? Must be someone else…Davis didn’t miss any games due to injury. He missed one because he was suspended in his career, but played in the rest he was eligible.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Isn't Campbell is the injury prone OT in this draft?
For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth
I don't know about
anyone else, but I am pumped to see how FA and the Draft play out this year. I know San Diego never made a huge splash in FA but they often times didn’t need to due to the quality players they all ready had across their roster.
Lets do it Buddy!
Go Bills!
I’d say that San Diego made three huges splashes with Butler/Smith/Nix. The first was Marcellus Wiley following Butler and co. to San Diego after they all jumped ship. The 2nd was the awful decision to give David Boston and his freakish steroid induced build one of the biggest contracts in the history of WRs and then he tore up his knee and his career was garbage after that. Third move was an excellent one in signing the classy and talented Donnie Edwards away from the Chiefs who had some huge years in SD.
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strictly by position
he likes linebackers and DBs. We could use a few LBs. While OL picks seems “sparce” of those listed, the overall quality of talent drafted cannot be denied.
Having arrived in 1/09, his stamp on the Bills’ ‘09 picks is hard to judge, but, by all accounts it’s a better draft than we’ve had in recent past.
Certainly, an encouraging trend. Now, if his eye for quality stretches to HC, we might be on to something!
San Diego also plays a 3-4, and the big name players usually come out of the LB position vs. the D-line not having huge stats…
I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City
One great trend is
As he became went from scout to head of college scouting, the picks went from ok to great.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Jan 12, 2010 9:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Interesting about Charlie Whitehurst.......
forgot about that guy……
His Chargers days are definitely much better than his Bills tenure……….so Im anxious to see what he does with full control.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 12, 2010 10:21 AM EST reply actions
it would be interesting
to see if Nix makes a play for Whitehurst. Because of Rivers, he’s an unproven commodity but has 4 years of “apprenticeship” in an excellent system. Would he alleviate the need to spend a high pick on a QB, freeing it up for another need position (OL)? Who would know him better than Nix? Plus, if we draft a QB high, who will he mentor under? We got zip. We’d have to bring in a Pennington (Ugh). More $$$ and another position slot taken. With Whitehurst, the mentoring is done. We could pick up a QB in a later round, if one is there after addressing the OL need.
Whitehurst, Fitzpatrick/Edwards, rookie – could work. I’m in a minority and would keep Edwards, especially with an improved (healthy) OL.
No, I have no inside information on this, it’s just something to keep in mind.
I thought you had your finger on the pulse of the team and that everything you said should be taken as gospel.
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by sireric on Jan 12, 2010 10:41 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
and rec’d lol
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 12, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Your Confused
Between Brian and “K”
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
Nah, I’ve talked to K long enough to know he doesn’t know anything….
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Right back at ya, buddy!
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
ha. anybody who has read at least 2 of my posts can tell I don’t know crap.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
It takes 2????
news to me.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 12, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
some people around here have poor reading comprehension. I said at least two.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
:p
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently, I've offended you somewhere along the journey
My apologies!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Good post.
I think whoever is making the personnel decisions may be the most important position in the organization. Some teams have their HC and GM play a dual role, while other teams don’t have a GM at all. In the Bills’ case, Nix may be the final decision-maker on personnel. Not to diminish the value of coaching because players must be developed and put in good positions, but if Nix does indeed know how to pick franchise quarterbacks, then the Bills will have a chance to be contenders every year regardless of who the head coach is.
This sample size or track record is enough to get a general indication or read on Nix. However, good or bad talent evaluation isn’t just about the players that you acquire or draft. For all that I know, Nix was right or wrong about a lot of players that his team was never in position to acquire.
I remember the reported knock on Moulds when he was coming out that he was high-maintenance and a handful of teams reportedly wouldn’t even draft him, period. I heard he ordered a pizza to be delivered to the sideline or to practice or something like that. What’s really wrong with that? Anyway, Moulds was one of my favorite players. Too bad he declined so rapidly.
Very interesting tidbit on Nix/Cromartie. Nix reportedly doesn’t like the “one-year wonder” kind of thing, but I think he made a good exception there. Cromartie’s talent is unreal.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
Good point
For all that I know, Nix was right or wrong about a lot of players that his team was never in position to acquire.
Impossible to know, but a good point.
in a salary cap era, no single unit (offense or defense) should be consistently sub-average for such a long stretch.
An interesting aside
In his Livechat yesterday Allen Wilson in the Buff News claimed that Tom Modrak was opposed to the pick of Aaron Maybin last year and pushed strongly for Brian Cushing instead. It was probably Jauron and Fewell (who kept saying he wanted a DE with a very quick first step) that wanted Maybin. If true, it illustrates how draft day politics tends to work, and how some of the more questionable decisions are often the responsibility of the coaching staff rather than the GM (which was essentially the role Modrak was playing last year). I remember Pat Kirwan once saying that when mistakes get made on draft day, it is usually 75% the fault of the coaches and 25% that of the GM. As a former GM, Kirwan is obviously biased, but he is probably close to correct, and it illustrates how crucial it is to have a real football guy in that job if you are rebuilding a team (a point Brian has been making for months now). Let Buddy make the calls and with all of his great experience we probably won’t go wrong very often.
I heard from a reliable source the opposite – that Modrak wanted Maybin, and had to talk the coaching staff into it. Take it for what it’s worth. I also heard very early in the process that the team rated Clay Matthews WELL above both Cushing and Maualuga.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 12, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
oops accidentally hit post.
Colleagues are going to disagree, that’s a given, but man, maybe one day our front office and coaching staff will be in sync enough that even when they disagree, it works out one way or another. Such is the life of a Bills fan, recently at least.
Sometimes it works out.
In the 4th round of the 2006 draft, Modrak and Jauron wanted to take Ko Simpson, but Levy wanted Kyle Williams. They ended up taking Simpson in the 4th and still getting Williams in the 5th.
Although he obviously got off to a poor start to his career, Maybin’s career is hardly finished. Time will tell who was right or wrong.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
Well then I guess Im not suprised Maybin didnt get a lot of playing time then.......
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 12, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
The claim that the coaches had to be talked into Maybin doesn’t jibe with the various statements Jauron and Fewell made before the draft last year about how badly they wanted a very quick pass-rushing DE (based on how much they had missed Schobel when he was injured in 2008), but I suppose we will never know for sure who wanted what.
I think it’s pretty clear that the coaches, and most definitely Fewell in particular, wanted a speed rusher. I’m told that they weren’t married to the speed rusher they ended up with, but Modrak was.
My source could be wrong. I don’t believe they are.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 12, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Modrak had Longhorn scars from Mike Williams
and Jauron/Fewell didn’t??? LOL. Who knows. Like you said, I’ll take it for what it’s worth.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
Chargers had their hands on three franchise signal-callers with Nix in town, including Brees, Rivers and Eli Manning,
of this entire article – I think this is the most important line. If he can evaluate and find us a good/great QB as he did with finding those 3 – then we’re going to be looking much, much better.
Its a QB’s league – you’d be surprised how much better a team a QB can make
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agreed
one only has tolook at the teams in the playoffs and their QBs- quite a list
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Well, i’ll say that “finding” Manning and Rivers wasn’t that tough. They simply had to pick in the top of the draft. What impressed me was that they likely knew NY wanted Manning, then took him to benefit their team in a trade.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 12, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Mistakes can be made even that high when taking a QB, see Couch, Tim. That said all 3 of the top QBs that year have panned out real well.
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True. They do have claim to the worst QB ever in the modern era: Ryan Leaf. I just meant that they didn’t have to dig deep to find those guys. I still think that the Brady pick by New England is the most brilliant (lucky?) pick from our era. I don’t know if the old days saw that type of scenario, because things were far less hyped.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 12, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Your right...
they did know that, and in fact Manning told them prior to the draft he would not play in San Diego… It’s said they actually wanted Rivers more anyway, but selected Manning, knowing they could gain in a swap with the Giants…
I thought it was brilliant.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 12, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Too bad nobody picked Rivers 2nd or 3rd overall!
~K
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Oh man, I forgot they didn’t pick second. Which two teams passed him up?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 12, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Oakland took Robert Gallery........
and Arizona took a WR by the name of Larry Fitzgerald.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 12, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, can’t fault AZ. Fitzgerald is one of my favorite players in the league.
Oakland though? LOLCATZ.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 12, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Gallery was considered a Cant Miss prospect by EVERYONE.........
he’s decent now……..but hes been moved inside to Guard.
Cant really blame Oakland……atleast they got more from him then they did Jamarcus Russell.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 12, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Gallery was big time can’t miss, or at least that’s what people thought. And I’d say he’s much better than decent as a guard. I actually think he’s one of the better guards in the league. Still a pretty huge miss in the draft, but if he’d switched teams and moved inside to guard like Leonard Davis did when he went to Dallas, I think people would view Gallery as a very good player. Although Davis was much, much better at OT in Arizona than Gallery was at OT in Oakland.
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One reason why offensive lineman are considered “safer” picks than other positions is because if they struggle at offensive tackle, for example, you can usually try them at guard or sometimes center (i.e. Trey Teague) and then the pick is not a total waste.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
That should make Tim Tebow a more attractive prospect, by definition. But, no one EVER drafts a QB thinking he’ll pan out elsewhere. (Oops Jacksonville, how’s that Matt Jones thing working out?)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 12, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
* cough * Julian Edelman * cough *
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 13, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
At the time of the pick, media and fans ripped the Cardinals for picking Fitz because they needed a QB (they had Josh McCown, I believe) and they didn’t need a WR (they drafted Bryant Johnson in the 1st round and Anquan Boldin in the 2nd round in the same draft the year before).
Everyone knows I prefer BAP, but need-picking can sometimes work. In this case, if the Cardinals had picked based on QB need, they might have picked Rivers or Roethlisberger and ended up better off in the long run.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
I think they're doing just fine now.........
obviously……..and Fitz is a big part of that.
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 12, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Something tells me they wouldn’t if Leinart was the QB…
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
Leniart has shown Flashes in limited playing time.....
not nearly as consistant as Warner is though………
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 12, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
"flashes" doesn't get it done
when you pay a guy $51 million for six years. The guy has been a monumental flop.
by ccthemovieman on Jan 12, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
See my comment above.
The 49ers drafted Joe Montana and then followed that up by getting Steve Young. Not coincidentally, the 49ers were perennial contenders for about 2 decades.
The empahsis on a francise QB may be even more so today.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
While I’d love to be as lucky as the 49ers, I’d settle for the competitiveness of the Ravens and Jets and Titans, who seem to build the type of team that would flourish here in WNY. Power running game and O-line and strong, physical front 7 that can get after the QB consistently.
If we get the QB, that would be a bonus. I’d settle for even just making the playoffs at this point, let alone the success the Niners had.
Franchise QB gives you the best chance.
Without one, it’s difficult to keep all those other good players together on a team to make a playoff run year after year. If you get to the playoffs, your average QB will eventually get exposed.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
I´ll take my chances on Colt, Sam, Jimmy or even Tim.
I don´t care what scouts have to say about the guy, I watched him for most of his career (who didn´t) and this guy is a complete winner, which is exactly the type of player we need on our team. He can work on his release and then he´ll be a dam good qb.
This is the type of player that Belichick would love on his team and I´ll bet he´s gonna try to make a move for him.
Speaking of QB's
anyone hear that Philly is looking to trade Kolb or Mcnabb? Draft for the line, and take one of those guys!
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jan 12, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
thoare guys would cost
As much as a rookie, first rounder
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by poz on Jan 12, 2010 5:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If not more. A rookie would only cost one pick.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 13, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Different game completely..
NFL and College Football are totally different from each other. The college game is mostly spread offenses, where the o-line and wr’s are spaced out wider. This is taken directly from an article by Malcolm Gladwell: “..the system makes it easy for the QB to figure out the intentions of the opposing defense before the ball is snapped: he can look up and down the line, ‘read’ the defense, and decide where to throw the ball before anyone has moved a muscle.” The basic premise of the article is that it is extremely difficult to predict the success of a college QB in the pros. That is why Jimmy Clausen is so coveted; he worked out of a pro style offense and was forced to make many decisions and reads post-snap, and obviously flourished. I recommend this article (found on Gladwell’s website just google it the article is titled “Most Likely to Succeed”) to all NFL fans not just us Bills Nuts for a better understanding on the difference between the college and pro game for QB’s and why it is such a crapshoot at the position. I love Tebow as much as anyone, but if you look at his physical make-up and the offense he ran at Florida, it is very difficult to say he will become a great NFL QB.
I really hope that Modrak stays.
I feel like him and Nix have an excellent oppurtunity to turn the bill’s around.
Drafting a Franchise QB
The best bet is to take a QB in the first round (which guarantee’s nothing) but the percentage of a QB taken in round 1 of becoming a star is significantly higher. From 1992 thru 2007 (It’s too early to tell from 08 &09) there were 36 QB’ s drafted in round 1. Out of those numbers 9 can be considered stars—Bledsoe (93), McNair(95), Manning (98), McNabb (99), Palmer(03), Manning-Rivers-Roethlisberger (04) and Rodgers(05). That’s a hit of 25% in the first round, it would be higher if I included Vick, Culpepper, Kerry Collins and Cutler but I don’t believe they apply.
During the same time period QB’s taken in rounds 2 & 3 totaled 36 of which only 3 became stars. Leading the way was Brees drafted at the top of round 2 (01), Plummer rd 2 (97) and a rising star in Schaub rd 3 (04). That’s a minuscule rate of success of only 8.3%.
If a franchise QB is available in round 1 do the Bills pass or roll the dice knowing the success rate plummets after round 1?
Nix had his hand in drafting Brees an Manning and then trading for Rivers so he has an eye for the QB position. Let’s hope Buddy works his magic!!!!!
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It’s such a crapshoot that I don’t think it matters if a LT is taken before a QB. I think what does matter is who’s navigating the ship. If an offensive “genius” is in command, i’d think their selection of a QB would work better for the team. He may be able to provide an added layer of coaching, when paired with his coordinator.
Crapshoot. It’s all it is, and you better hope it’s not the boomerang type.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 12, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Reviewing Nix's press conference speech
I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t draft nor bring in a free agent QB. I honestly believe that we will start the year off in traning camp with Fizpatrick #1. I believe Brohm was brought in to compete for the #2 spot with Edwards and eventually to take over the #1 spot. His comment about 2-3 years along with grabbing Brohm and Meridith were really two additional draft picks for the 2009 year. They will just need good teachers and opportunities to show what they have.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
Kolb
I’m not sure I’d love the idea of trading for K. Kolb. Sure he looked great in a couple of starts – so did Rob Johnson when we parted with the 9th pick and change in the 1998 draft. Q: Was Nix at SD when they whiffed on the Craig Buster Davis 1st round pick at WR ? I dont see his name on the “board of shame” list above ?
Yeah, that was the 2007 draft, so it must have been an oversight. It was the same draft that they took Waters with the third round comp pick after trading up into the early 2nd to take Eric Weddle.
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Hmm
We do draft 9th again this year, perhaps we could do an 11th year anniversary special and trade it for a QB who looked great in 2 starts and then flames out in Buffao – I sure hope not !
Great Article!
Really did your homework – Impressive results while with the Chargers, but we will have to wait and see. I recall that Donohoe had an excellent draft his first year, but it was all downhill after that!
He joined Buffalo in late January of ‘09, when most draft work was completed. I’ll repeat: I have heard from numerous sources that Maybin was Modrak’s top choice. Other people have heard differently, but I stand by that.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Maybin
It is still way to early to give up on Maybin but saying that I remember saying the same thing about work-out warrior Eric Flowers!
Fans were saying the same thing about Moulds until he hit his stride in his 3rd year, Marcellus Wily took a few years to develop and OJ took a few years an Lou Saban to become a star. So there is hope….
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how sad is it...
…that a quarterback controversy could seriously be created by bringing in a fourth-year third-stringer with no NFL experience?

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