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A long look back....and ahead

I'm finally getting around to writing my thoughts about the season that was, the current state of affairs, and what should (or could?) be an eventful off-season, along with some ideas for what should be a tame free agency period and VERY important draft.  I've been wanting to throw my thoughts out there, but just haven't had that strong desire to do so, much like how most of us felt trying to root for our Bills this year. I did this last year, and it turned out being as long as a PhD dissertation.  I didn't expect that going in, but I am expecting it going into this one.  Think of this as my extra thick, corn-filled krytime style dump (t.m.i.).  Be prepared for a long read if you have the time!

Star-divide

I know many of you label me a pessimist and maybe the most negative person on the site.  I don't mean to come off that way, and I'm not normally like that.  I like to call it how I see it, and what I've seen with the Bills has been mind-numbingly disgusting.  They bring out the worst in me, what can I say?!? I had very little expectations going into the season and after a few weeks where it was business as usual with our Bills, I just couldn't get into the season as much as usual. I know there are a lot of others like that out there.  To me, going in, this was going to be a wasted season. Once Dick Jauron returned, all hope I had vanished.  I feel crappy knowing that that's how I viewed this past season, but I just didn't feel it this year.  I hope that going forward I never feel this way again.  I don't want to feel a disconnect with the Bills. I don't want to feel apathy towards losses.  I don't want to feel nothing again.  All I really want is to feel something towards the Bills again, something positive and exciting.  I've lost that loving feeling, but it's not gone, gone, gooonneee whoa-ooh-ooooh.  I just need it rekindled. We all need it rekindled.  Bring us back some hope and joy, One Bills Drive!!!!

It's been a few weeks now, so the Buddy Nix hiring has finally settled in.  I like what he's been a part of and what appears to be a strong track record of draft success. It's always tough to know what his role was with SD regarding players drafted, but I'll assume he had enough input with some of the studs they've brought in.  That's encouraging. I'm fine with the guy we have now, but it's still unnerving the way Ralph tends to stick with guys he knows.  We all were hoping for a young, fresh face from outside the organization, but we probably should have known better. Ralph was going to stick with someone he knew and had some relationship with.  Ah well. I do have questions about Nix's age, not about how he'll fare, but how long he'll remain in the position.  Just like with ownership, a GM succession plan wouldn't be such a bad idea.  I don't really see any candidates currently in our front office to be tabbed as the future GM, so maybe it's time to hire someone from the outside in a prominent role in our front office under Nix.  Would that mean Tom Modrak is out? I'd be ok with that if a quality guy was brought in.  I do hope John Guy gets canned soon.  I have a feeling he isn't going anywhere though...

I thought we saw some nice performances from a handful of players this year, but overall, individual performances were as disappointing as the team's performance.  Obviously, injuries ravaged this team, but it was plain to see from the start that this team just wasn't talented enough to make a playoff push.  We got to see a lot of young players get on the field, which was a good thing in the face of something bad.  Many of our injuries were to mediore or useless players, but it did hurt losing guys like Leodis McKelvin, Eric Wood, Brad Butler, Demetrius Bell and Derek Schouman for much of the year, simply because it hurts their development in their roles.  Those guys have a lot of work to do this off-season, both in getting healthy, but also in making up for the lost time of this season.  McKelvin, in particular, really needs to work his tail off.  And I still have to hope for the best with Wood.  Who knows what lies ahead for him.

Player Overviews....

I'd like to give my thoughts on every player, but that is probably a little much.  I'll stick to positional overviews, I guess....

QB: Trent Edwards answered the question of whether he was the long-term quarterback for the Bills.  Unfortunately, it's not what we wanted.  Being too hesitant and tentative with his passing absolutely crippled him this year and destroyed any confidence he might have had.  He may actually be too broken to fix for any team, too.  It's hard to envision a guy that plays like he does ever amounting into something more.  I'd have to imagine his time in Buffalo is long done.  Ryan Fitzpatrick was actually a surprise to me.  He was mostly terrible, as expected, but there were some good moments too.  He had a few solid games midseason and actually threw the ball very well in the snow against Indy.  If the new coach wants to bring him back as the backup, I suppose I'll be ok with it.  I think we need to do more than that at QB though.  I don't expect much from Brian Brohm in the future, but maybe an offseason in Buffalo, working with the new offensive coordinator and staff will help him grow into something useful.  I don't see anything more than being a career backup out of him, but he does have some talent.  I hope he's brought back as the #3.

RB: Fred Jackson was excellent this year.  His numbers would have been huge if he had been given the majority of the touches all year.  For the Bills' future, it's probably good that he didn't see any more touches though.  I wasn't sure if he could handle a full-time role for a long stretch, but he seemed to answer that for us.  I expect him to enter the season as the starter next year, and he should be given every chance to be the every down back.  Hope to see him used as a receiver more again next year, too.  Marshawn Lynch may have been the biggest disappointment of the season.  With this team, that's saying a lot.  I'm not really down on his lack of production, but rather, how poor he looked on the field this year.  He looked slow and unable to break the tackles he was running through in the past.  Maybe he shouldn't have added weight in the offseason, maybe he never recovered from the month he missed.  Either way, he was bad this year and was totally outplayed all season by Jackson.  Where was the beast? He just looked like another guy out there, but there is hope he'll recover simply because of how young he is.  I hope he comes into camp (assuming no trade or suspension) slimmer and in much better shape.

WR: Terrell Owens may have disappointed production-wise, but with the scrubs throwing him the ball this year, it's hard to totally be upset with him.  Those drops he had the first half of the season were ridiculous (he finished tied for 4th most with 9 on the season) and he looked to quit on plays at various points in the season, but overall I was pretty okay with how he played.  It was nice having a superstar personality on the team even if his skills are declining.  I wish this team would have used him over the middle more, allowing him to run after the catch.  We only saw a handful of passes thrown his way on crossing routes, which is a total misuse of his skills. It was pretty exciting every team he scored though, and I think he really enjoyed his time playing in front of Bills fans.  For once, he looked humbled and appreciative. 

Lee Evans really disappointed me though.  What's up with this guy?  He finished with just 44 catches and averaged a pathetic 38 yards per game, which is less than such luminaries as Davone Bess, Jabar Gaffney, Earl Bennett, Chaz Schilens and Brandon Gibson.  I know the QB's did not help him one bit, but you know what? He didn't exactly help them out that much either.  He'd catch a pass and immediately get wrapped up.  He dropped some catchable passes this year. He just doesn't give his QB's a good target.  There are a ton of crappy QB's in this league, yet you still see WR's stepping up.  Lee Evans just never seems to do that, and he definitely doesn't do it consistently.  For as overpaid as Aaron Schobel, Marcus Stroud and Chris Kelsay are, Lee Evans takes the cake (shout out to norcali).

It was disappointing not seeing James Hardy and Steve Johnson more than a few plays here and there this year.  I was really looking forward to seeing if either of them could be a quality player for us for the next few years.  I guess we'll have to wait to find out.  I really wish Perry Fewell had gotten them snaps, but it's understandable because he was just trying to win games.  Tough situation.  I hope both of them put in good off-seasons and really take a huge leap as they enter their 3rd years.  It's now or never for them.

Josh Reed...meh.  I've defended him in the past and I definitely don't think he played poorly this year, but it may finally be time to move on.  His contract is up, and I'd rather go young at the position.  Slot receivers aren't always difficult to find.  Let's find some speed in the draft and let Reed move on.  If he's brought back, I understand and wouldn't be upset, but I'd make a change if I was in charge.

Roscoe Parrish...peace out!  With crappier blocking in front of him this season, his punt return ability appeared to disappear.  I think he was aided by good blocking and quality return schemes in years past. With all the turnover, injuries and new guys on the special teams units, his play and production suffered.  I hope they continue to try trading him, but right now, it's a little too pricey to keep a mediocre punt returner around at his price tag.  That new, quick slot receiver mentioned in my Reed blurb above would be great if he also returned punts!

TE: Derek Schouman looked solid until he busted his ankle.  I hope he's brought back as a rotational guy.  Derek Fine does nothing for me anymore.  I don't see him on the team next year. Shawn Nelson has a bright future and really showed some nice flashes this year.  I love his potential to make plays down the middle of the field.  His body control on some catches was great and I really hope the new staff utilizes his mismatch potential against slower LB's or smaller DB's.  Jermichael Finley should be the blueprint for how Nelson is used going forward. I just hope we have someone to get him the ball.

OL: Ugh. What a mess.  Obviously, injuries decimated this unit and ruined whatever success they were going to have this year.  I like what I saw out of the two rookies, but both have a lot of growing to do.  Assuming Wood fully recovers, I really like the future with him and Levitre, especially if he moves over to Center.  I wasn't impressed with Geoff Hangartner, but it was hard to expect much more out of him.  He was solid much of the time, but did struggle at times.  He's probably better as the 4th interior lineman.  I don't know what to think about Richie Incognito as a player.  He's got talent and ability, but what a frustrating fatso. For every good block he makes, he seems to get a holding penalty.  He didn't even get a personal foul penalty here, so he much be even more frustrating when that's involved.  I do hope he's brought back though.  With an off-season working with this offense, instead of just a few weeks, I think he can become a solid player for us.  He can fight for a starting job, or at worst, become a very good backup Guard.  It'd be dumb not to tender him, IMO.

I really wish Brad Butler hadn't gotten hurt.  I really liked his potential at RT.  A big, mean, strong run blocking player over there is exactly what this team needed.  It's too bad he suffered such a tough injury, too, because it'd be nice to know if he could really handle that position.  If healthy, I'd like to see him back at RT next year, or maybe even back at RG.  I think he's a very good player and should be in the starting lineup when healthy.  I wasn't really impressed with Bell when he was healthy.  He was weak and just not good enough to play LT.  Maybe in time, he'll be able to handle the position, but I really don't want to see him in the starting lineup any time soon.  The role as the swing tackle seems to fit him better.  Johnathan Scott and Jamon Meredith really don't do much for me.  I'd like to see Meredith brought back next year because him and Bell both have solid potential.  With more time and coaching, he could become a good player.  He has talent. Kirk Chambers, nice knowing ya.

DL: Great season Kyle Williams.  I was really impressed with him this year.  He'll never be a dominant player or one to build a DL around, but he is just so solid.  He can still be overwhelmed at the point of attack, but if he can slip initial contact, he is tough to stop.  If only he had a better player next to him....Marcus Stroud looks totally washed up to me.  Did he make any plays this year?  Besides having terrible LB's, I think Stroud was the biggest reason our run defense stunk this year.  Spencer Johnson had some decent moments and he should be a key cog in the DT rotation next year. If we end up switching to a 3-4, his role could really expand. John McCargo may be done as an NFL player.  I'm sure he'll get another shot, either with the new staff here or in someone else's camp next year, but he really never showed any improvement.  Yet another one of Marv's poor draft picks...

Even though I don't think he was that impressive, I have to hand it to Aaron Schobel for producing solid numbers again.  I didn't think he could ever get more than 6-7 sacks again, so I was happy to be proven wrong.  I hope he doesn't retire because he still has some good football in him, but I do understand his frustration with having never made the playoffs and the unlikeliness that he'll make it as a Bill.  If I were Nix, I'd inquire about trading him. Find out if he's willing to play elsewhere, and what the market might be.  I don't expect him to play more than another season in Buffalo, so getting something for him now makes a ton of sense.  I know a lot of people want to say Chris Kelsay played pretty well this year, but I'm not going to go there. You all know my disdain for him, but I still don't think he did anything worthwhile this year. Sure, he played better this year and put up better numbers, but remember where he was coming from?  He played well enough where I'll leave him alone, but I still don't think he should be around next year.  He probably will be because what else do we have? I hope Chris Ellis gets a chance next year. He has talent, and maybe he'll finally put it together.  He can't be much worse than what we've seen for years.

Aaron Maybin has been talked about enough.  I just wish he had shown flashes of becoming a contributor even.  Luckily, he's still very young, and obviously raw.  This off-season is Billy Fucillo yyuuuugggeee for him, so I hope he's ready.  He needs to work on strength, speed and agility, and developing some pass rush moves.  That weak crap he tried this year just won't cut it.

LB: I'm going to give credit to Poz. I thought he stepped up his play over the second half of the season.  I still think he needs to be a secondary player in that unit, but he's a solid player that will be a starter next year.  He finally started making some plays this year, but still has to find a way to shed some blocks and become a more consistent linebacker.  He needs more help around him, that's for sure.  I respect the hell out of him for how hard he plays and how he always brings it.  The rest of the unit is terrible and needs to be replaced.  If Kawika Mitchell can get healthy, I'm okay with him returning to the starting lineup, although he has to play a lot better than he has.  If those are the only two that are back next year, I'm fine with it. 

DB: Jairus Byrd, congrats.  I'm happy to see you prove myself and pretty much every other Bills fan wrong.  You were a good pick.  He has an incredible nose for the ball, and that's something all the top free safeties have.  In order for him to reach that level, he really needs to improve his tackling, recognition, run support and just overall make quicker decisions.  His lack of athleticism is concerning, but he can overcome that by playing smart football and really improving in run support.  I think he can really improve, but does have a limited ceiling.  I still don't really have anything good to say about Donte Whitner. He's just another guy playing safety.  There's nothing special about him and he was probably our 4th best safety this year.  Guy still doesn't make plays. Bryan Scott is a solid veteran and really proved his worth moving from safety to LB for us this year.  I like what he brings to the table, but as a free agent, it wouldn't be upsetting seeing him leave.  I hope he's brought back because he's a solid player and can play special teams.  I was thoroughly surprised by George Wilson this year.  He was pretty damn good supporting the run this year, something he had never shown in year's past.  He has really become a solid all-around player, and it's a credit to his hard work that he's gotten this far.  He's another guy limited physically, but is smart and tough. I love having football players like that on my team, so I hope he's brought back.  It's tough to envision a Byrd/Wilson duo, simply because of athleticism concerns, but rotating all these guys again next year wouldn't be such a bad thing.  I'm a big fan of Wilson's leadership, and was impressed with how well he played coming up to make plays against the run this year. I know he didn't, but it sure seemed like made more tackles in the backfield that anyone (He actually only had 4).

Even though the CB's didn't seem to play that well this year, they weren't really picked on a whole lot, other than good old Reggie Corner.  McKelvin was pretty bad when he played, but Terrence McGee and Drayton Florence were as solid as expected.  I think that's our starting duo next year, unless Leo really comes on.  This is a solid unit.

Brian Moorman was very good this year, even though he was a shankopotamus more than usual.  He had his best overall season, and that's really something considering how well he's played for us over the years.  Rian Lindell was his typical self. Consistent for the season, but seemingly shaky at times.  We've seen a ton of terrible kicking this year in the NFL, so it's good to have a pretty decent one.  The return units stunk this year, but I think that's mostly because of how much turnover we saw with these units.  It's tough to have strong return teams when players are constantly shifting in and out of the lineup. 

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Wow, that was a bunch of rambling and useless player thoughts....

As for the coaching search, I don't think I have a preference.  What I really want is for Nix and Brandon to really do their due diligence and make sure they interview a number of qualified candidates.  If it ends up being a Brian Schottenheimer or whoever, fine I guess. I just hope we get a guy who can take control of the locker room and really change the culture of losing we have.  No more complacency and lack of toughness. I want a guy who will instill a great deal of toughness and find a way to develop a quality offense.  I just don't know who that is.

This team has so many player needs that it's difficult to imagine them even filling half this year.  The biggest question marks are obvious....quarterback, tackle, defensive end and linebacker.  We absolutely have to find a long term solution at at least one of those positions this off-season, and hopefully two more more.  Beyond those super-obvious positions, we probably need a starting WR, maybe a G/C depending on the healthy of Wood, potentially another DE depending on Schobel's status, probably another starting LB and depth at DT and LB......at the very least. 

Besides specific player needs, I really think this team needs to add speed.  The offense doesn't have a whole lot of speed outside of Evans. I'd love to have a running back with the ability to break some big plays.  On defense, our linebackers could really use some speed and size.  The defensive line needs some size as well.

Many of you hope the Bills will sign such and such free agents, but that just isn't realistic.  With the lack of a CBA, there will be far fewer quality free agents available than usual.  What's going to be out there is guys who are 6+ year veterans, meaning they are roughly 27-28 years old or more.  I'm not sure how many of these types of players the Bills should be bringing in as they need to rebuild.  I'm sure we'll bring in a couple of Drayton Florence or Spencer Johnson type guys, but that's it.  Mostly because there won't be that many top FA's available.  This team can't be throwing draft picks at restricted free agents like Malcolm Floyd or Derrick Johnson or Jared Gaither or whomever.  Any restricted free agent that's worth anything will be tendered with a 2nd round pick or higher.  Unless the Bills feel they are getting a player to build around, they can't be getting involved with these players.  A team like New England with a handful of 2nd rounders could be pretty active in restricted free agency.

I really want to name a bunch of players I hope the Bills can sign, but I really don't think they'll be all that active unless they switch to a 3-4.  I think they could be active in the trade market though.  There are a number of players on the Bills who could be traded this offseason, including Lynch, Schobel and even Whitner and Evans.  With what needs to be a total rebuilding effort by Nix, I wouldn't be opposed to trading anyone.  I don't know how much value some of these guys have, but I hope Nix is open to making any trades to help this team.  That also includes going after players from other teams. People talk about Derrick Johnson all the time, and I really think he could be a good player in a 4-3 defense.  If we could somehow get him for a later round pick, I'd definitely look into that.  Remember though, he's a restricted free agent and would need to be signed to a new deal if acquired.  I think the team should look to the trade market for a QB.  It's unlikely they'll find anyone that would be the long term solution, but a short term solution might be available. Troy Smith is a possibility.  Michael Vick is definitely a possibility. Charlie Whitehurst was mentioned earlier, but I don't think he'd help much. Anyone else? With free agent QB pickings so slim, the Bills might need to get creative.

Free Agency....

There are some free agents that I think the Bills should look at, even though I don't expect much movement:

Larry Foote: Foote would be a nice veteran presence, with scheme versatility.  Many people want Poz on the outside, so with Foote in the fold, that would probably happen.  Foote is also intriguing if a switch to the 3-4 is made.

Matt Light (if released): I really like the idea of a veteran stopgap at LT, especially if we don't take a tackle #9 overall.  Light would be a decent stopgap for us.  His team Nick Kaczur could also be an option if the Bills want to add a veteran RT.

Chester Taylor, Willie Parker, veteran to be released later: If Lynch does get traded or even cut outright, the team needs to add a veteran presence behind Jackson, IMO. I really like Chester Taylor as a player, as he does everything well enough. 

Terrell Owens: I really do want to bring him back.  I know it's probably unlikely, and TO probably would rather try his luck elsewhere.  With his former college coach (Buddy Nix) calling the shots here, I wonder if he'd be open to returning? If not TO, we probably do need to add a veteran receiver unless Hardy and Johnson are to be counted on.  Antonio Bryant would be my preference, but that's pretty unlikely. Chris Chambers has been mentioned in the past, but I'm not a huge fan.  I could see the appeal though.  Kevin Walter might be an option too.

If Schobel retires and Kelsay is dumped, along with Denney not being re-signed, there will need to be at least one and probably two, veteran DE's brought in.  There's not a whole lot available though. Guys like Adewale Ogunleye, Derrick Burgess, Chike Okeafor or Leonard Little could be options.  It's tough to figure out where this position will be in a few months. 

There are so many questions about the current roster right now.  Will it be scrubbed? Will most of these guys remain? Will anybody be re-signed?  What schemes will we run?  It's tough to make any suggestions or concrete thoughts in this area with all these questions!!!

The Draft....

Usually by now, I'll have a mock draft in mind.  This year....not so much. I haven't really gotten into draft mode yet simply because of the coaching search and the bad taste in my mouth from this wasted season.  With so many needs, I don't even know which positions I hope we consider in the 1st.  I think an OT is probably the best course of action, unless our DE position is drained with defections.  With all that said, I'm still giving it a go, with the assumption we're still running a 4-3....

1st: Anthony Davis, Rutgers, or Bryan Bulaga, Iowa - OT. I expect Jimmy Clausen and Sam Bradford to be off the board. If either are available, I wouldn't be opposed to the pick.  I really think we need to address our tackle woes. Davis is probably the most athletic OT in the draft, and despite weight issues throughout his career, he looks like a very good prospect.  Bulaga is somewhat limited athletically and is probably more of a top 25 guys instead of a top 10 guy, but I think we need a stud run blocker and more toughness. He'd bring that.

2nd: Brandon Spikes, MLB, Florida. A lot of people have Spikes in the first round, and I don't necessarily disagree.  He has a somewhat down senior season and MLB's have dropped in recent drafts.  I think he could definitely be there in round 2.  With this pick, Poz moves outside.  I want to add more size and athleticism to our LB unit, and Spikes will do that.

3rd: Austen Lane, DE, Murray State.  This guy has a ton of potential.  He has great size at 6'6", 260.  It's unlikely he'll contribute right away, but the upside is definitely there (where have we heard that before?).

4th: John Skelton, QB, Fordham. This is another small school kid with plenty of upside.  Has a good arm and great size.  I want to see some film on him and am really interested in how he performs in the Senior Bowl and pre-draft process.  I don't know a whole lot about him, but want to soon.

5th: Torrell Troup, DT Central Florida. I think this defense really needs to add a true space eater at DT.  Troup isn't huge, but he's bigger than anybody we have now. We need SIZE on our DL and someone to help spell Stroud and Williams.  This guy was doubled all year, but still played pretty well.  I wouldn't be surprised if he moved up, like Terrence Knighton last year.

6th: Kavell Connor, LB, Clemson. Linebacker depth is a huge need. 

6th: Erik Cook, C, New Mexico. We need depth at Center if Wood isn't moved.  Even if he is, interior depth is never a bad thing.

7th: Kyle Williams, WR, Arizona State. Williams is a good punt returner and could develop into a solid slot option.  He had a pretty nice season as a receiver this year (57 for 815, 8 TD's). 

7th: LaMarcus Coker, RB, Hampton. The former Tennessee RB, who had issues there, is one of the faster RB's in the draft.  I really want this team to find a RB with some speed and big play ability.  Coker is worth a shot here, despite the baggage.

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I'm sure there will be plenty of changes to that over the next few months.

 

That's about it.  This ended up even longer than I expected.  Oh well.  I'm looking forward to the off-season, because that's our Super Bowl.  I'm really hoping, and praying, that Buddy Nix is the guy that will finally get this team out of the abyss.  It's hard to expect any team with Ralph Wilson's influence having any success any time soon, but there is always hope.  Maybe we'll find the QB we've been looking for for 13 years.  Maybe we'll finally solidify the OL.  Maybe we'll finally field an offense that doesn't make me want to squeeze lemon juice in my eyes.  Maybe we'll finally have some coordinators, especially on offense, that aren't complete bozos.  As always, we have to hope for the best even though we're expecting the worst. 


Cheers!

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Good post. I read it all :D

I like the idea of getting Spikes in the 2nd round, but I’d still be much happier if they snatched up McClain instead if he was there. If not, Davis at #9 and Spikes in the 2nd would be a pretty good shot. I’d rather not see them grab a QB outside of the top 3 rounds though.

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by UZ on Jan 13, 2010 5:00 AM EST reply actions  

I’m n ot impressed with any QB’s in this draft, so I don’t mind us waiting until the 4th round before we draft one.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 13, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent post, K. Appreciate the time you took with this.

I don’t think you’re being too negative with your player analysis, just realistic. I might be a forever optimist, but I’m glad you reiterated the fact that players like Reed, Stroud, and Whitner are just not the players we often make them out to be. Stroud, in particular, is someone who I always supported, but he his unfortunately over the hill and just doesn’t shed blockers like he did in his prime in JAX.

I really like George Wilson and wouldn’t be upset at all if he took over Whitner’s starting spot. Wilson might be a bigger liability in run defense, but the fact is he makes plays, and Whitner does not….with the exception of a pick six against Tampa this year, I really can’t recall a time when Whitner made a game-changing play.

The draft thoughts are good….most people here seem to be sold with McClain as the #1 pick, but O-line help is a much bigger priority (although I don’t wanna get into Value VS Need semantics with anyone). I would love to see Spikes fall to us at 2, but most mock drafts I have seen online have him going in the late first round.

by McGee24 on Jan 13, 2010 5:12 AM EST reply actions  

RB

Wow, a very long read, but so on the mark ! hilst I do like Fred Jackson, he does need a speed compliment as you write – someone like Mcluster from Ole Miss in the Second round would give a serious breakaway threat at RB and maybe even fill that slot role – pretty sure he was a wide out last year before switching to RB this year. Also returns those punts very well as you requested. I doubt we take a RB that high, but if we did it would solve 3 problems off that long list !

by Will G on Jan 13, 2010 5:13 AM EST reply actions  

You know, you could have split this into about, oh, 14 front-page posts and saved me a week of blogging. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 6:38 AM EST reply actions  

That is true

But you know you couldn’t take a week away!

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by Kurupt on Jan 13, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I am 100% confident that I am easily capable of taking a week away.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

longest post ever? who is billy fucillo?

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by atlantalove on Jan 13, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

“who is billy fucillo?”

You really don’t want to know….

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by willgarr15 on Jan 13, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

you asked for it...

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

atlantalove: watch that 200 times a day and you will feel about Mr Fuccillo the way that we feel about him in WNY.

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by willgarr15 on Jan 13, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know. Right now the Mark’s Pizzeria commercials bother me most. They put that 5 second spot on right before the game comes back on and you can’t get it out of your head. It hasn’t made me call them for a pie. I’d rather make my own, which is leagues better, especially when using chorizo.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha can only imagine ur pain. Nothing is worse than a load mouth guido. I hate guidos and i’m italina. Yea just shows how rediculous they are

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by atlantalove on Jan 13, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice

Rec’d, & couldn’t agree more.

by billskk69 on Jan 13, 2010 7:33 AM EST reply actions  

Good post K, rec'd

I’m feeling the same as you K, I’m indifferent on a coach, although Frazier is growing on me, and the players on this team. I gave up my season tickets and I don’t feel bad about it one bit.
As far as a mock goes I don’t know what to expect from this team. IF they go bap I don ‘t know Davis and/or Bulaga are worthy of the 9th overall pick. Davis seems to be Jason Peters 2.0 to me, athletic as hell but lazy. He has great upside but we need to hit on this first pick. McClain in my eyes is nearly as good a bet as Curry was last year. He’s a starter from day 1 and would allow Poz to move outside satisfying 2 needs. If the Bills can trade down a bit then I would think OT is a distinct possibility and Spikes could come into play in the 2nd. If not I like Pat Angerer from Iowa in the 3rd. He can play.

by gatornation on Jan 13, 2010 8:36 AM EST reply actions  

Davis does have concerns

and I share those with you. I’m not sold on him, but he is probably the most talented with the highest upside of all the tackles. We need to see how the pre-draft process works out, I guess. I’m fine with McClain, but I really want this team to solidify the OL over everything else (other than finding the longterm QB obviously).

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by Kurupt on Jan 13, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess it really depends on who we bring in threw free agency. If Matt Light is available and we sign him, then I see us going after McClain. If we still have a hole at LT come draft day, then I see us going after Davis.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 13, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Post

My only disagreement is Evans. Yes he is underachieving for what he is being paid. He is very talented though. IF the bills move evans, we have no one to replace his talent. That is a big mistake for a team that needs to find an answer at QB. I don’t think the bills QB had the ability to utilize what evans does do well. Intermediate routes that require tight throws (AKA a strong, accurate arm).

“If your willing to move a guy, you better be able to replace talent with talent”. I have heard this comment so many times from Pat Kirwin.

I think we need to go out and get OUR QB that Buddy Nix / new HC wants. Add some competition to the Oline and let the new QB compete.

Let the offseason begin

by Rudy916 on Jan 13, 2010 8:43 AM EST reply actions  

Evans

As Brian might say, I’m not married to the idea of trading him. I just see the merit in it and wouldn’t be opposed if they got value. He’s such a disappointment for the money he’s making. It probably isn’t going to happen, since we don’t exactly have any reinforcements behind him, but if he does get moved, I won’t be upset at all….

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by Kurupt on Jan 13, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe he got most of the money in his contract in the first couple of years of the contract. For a front loaded contract I think it would be wise to keep him. If this is true would you still mind parting ways with him? For a player of his talent and if we are paying him less every year I think his trade value (as far as our compensation) will lesson.

by BillsfanDan on Jan 13, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

fantastic post

I think the guys you mentioned… Schobel, Evans, Lynch… should all be on the trade block and I would have no problem with seeing them gone. A tock pile of draft picks from them would be huge…. a 2nd a few 4ths for all of them total might be realistic.
A vet QB that can be named the starter right away is something worth mentioning as well. I do not want a QB competition, and as much as I am intrigued by MAtt Moore or Troy Smith, they would have to prove themselves with limited snaps in mini-camp and probably into training camp to get the starting role.
Vick, as much as people might poo-poo it, would be a very good option, keep Fitzpatrick and draft a middle-late round guy to compete with Brohm…. OR get rid of Brohm and Edwards, keep Fitz, get a vet like Vick and still draft high at QB and dont make them start.
If we get LEslie Frazier, I can see Tavaris Jackson as a posible bring in as well, though I am not sure he could be named the starter right away either. i like his potential, and Frazier might have more of an inside track on that, but the Vikings may be the best example of how important having a top flight QB, if all the other pieces are in place is. We of course, have very little pieces in place as the ten year rebuilding mode continues.

Again, great post, I read the whole thing. THis along with MRWs Wooten interview were the best write ups from you “secondary” authors in a while… a good morning for everyone I hope

Can't we get a winner.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!

by killascript on Jan 13, 2010 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

I don't want a QB competition either

but it seems inevitable. Unless we stumble upon a franchise QB, we’re likely to have a mediocre vet of some sort, and probably a rookie. The stopgap QB will only be out there for so long….

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by Kurupt on Jan 13, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Chad Pennington anyone?

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 13, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think signing Vick and cutting Brohm gets the team any further.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

cutting Brohm and Edwards, signing Vick (or another vet) and then drafting another (hopefully better) QB, perhaps even one fo the top prospects. That would IMO make the team better

Can't we get a winner.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!

by killascript on Jan 13, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re ready to give up on Brohm after 1 game? I don’t think you toss him in the dryer before the water’s wrung out. Is he likely their answer? History would say no, but we have no idea, and even less so if they just get rid of him. I don’t think they’d have gone to the trouble of taking him if he was only an in-season repair.

Personally, I need and want to see more out of him before they turn elsewhere. I would even like to see Edwards with a different coach. I don’t know if Vick is the right splash for this team. He’s on the wrong side of the 30 fence, with a good lapse in time where he’d have been able to mature as a passer. Is he a talent? Sure, would he have a rocket arm to give Evans more hope? Yes. I wonder how he plays outside in the snow, on a “full-time” basis. He played well in GB during the playoff game, but his career was primarily in a dome, and most games were in good-weaher cities.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

First of all, a QB need not worry about playing the cold full time, only a few games really, and if we are successful, then maybe one or two more in the playoffs (Playoffs! Are you kidding me?)
But anyway, I am just saying, that you can’t keep 4 qbs, it isn’t realistic unless we can hide one on the PS (either Brohm or mid-late round rookie) but if not, Id rather see Fitz, semi-reliable backup, a starting caliber Vet (vick or otherwise) and a rookie 1st round, or later rounder which will then be a deciding factor as to where the rest of the chips fall…
So, I am not giving up on Brohm, but he might not fit, and therefore go. To be wishy-washy about this stuff only leads to more mediocrity. The coach and GM better have a sure fire plan to get the job done… and i am still unaware what the philosophy on a QB Nix has, or who the HC will be so obviously I know nothing there.
As for Edwards… he’s lost the team, and could he come back from his set backs, a-la Alex Smith (who still has to prove himself completely) I am not sure, but to me he is not the leader we thought he would be and it might be better to just break ties now, instead of keeping him as we did Losman and then have a horse-crap competition that only leads to more inconsistency and more mediocre-bad football

Can't we get a winner.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!

by killascript on Jan 13, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I see how you can wind up there. Assuming Buffalo is going to both draft a QB and sign one in FA, they’ve got to make a decision. The choice being, are they comfortable with Brohm and a rookie as the backups? If they don’t address QB until the 3rd round or later, asking him to be the backup is a lot to put on his plate. So I can see how Buffalo ends up bringing a vet FA, FItz, rookie and Brohm into camp and ends up keeping both the vet and Fitz if the rookie or Brohm can’t back up. It’s gotta be more likely than Bills fans realize.

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by kaisertown on Jan 14, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm flabbergasted

Brohm was projected in the top 3 and he went 3rd to a team that didn’t need a QB at all, he was the insurance policy in case Rogers flopped. Well, after sitting for 4y behind Favre, Rogers was ready to go. So yes in a few games Brohm didn’t beat out Flynn, who cares. How many chances has this guy gotten? He might have been too cocky coming out of college but now that he will be in his third year we certainly cannot dump the guy.

He has a bunch of potential and we’ve seen him in one game, with one of the most dysfunctional offenses ever seen. The kid was barely here for 3-4 weeks before he saw action. Our system being completely different that GB and he got 2 practices to be able to get in-synch with his receivers. Considering those circumstances he did admirably.

Edwards wasn’t even close to being projected as high as Brohm and after all the starts he got, we can confirm that he has a noodle arm and is yellow. He is so broke that I seriously doubt that he can ever be a starter again in this league.

Fitz was horrible. He is so inaccurate it’s not even funny. Fitz was a second year starter and did not fare that much better than Brohm. With Fitz we know what we have – no much. He got lucky on a few throws downfield – big deal! Are we so hungry for any type of success that we’ve anointed him our backup? With fitz there’s no much upside, he is what he is. He got his chance in Cincy with a great offensive team, with a good oline and great receivers and he did nothing at all. I don’t want the guy, I’d prefer to cut our losses.

I say bring in a FA QB, like Pennington or Kobb or Campbell (if the decide to let him go) or Jon Kitna or tavaris jackson or David Carr. At the end of the day we ain’t going to make the playoff next year, it will be a transition year. Let’s get a steady caretaker to handle the offense while the rookie we draft learns from him for 1-2 years. I’d also be fine going into next year with Fitz/Brohm/Rookie because I think there are many other areas of improvement before the QB play. Namely both lines need to be strengthened. Sure-up the trenches!

If Nix would cut Brohm I’ll pull my hear out, what if he is the next franchise guy? Nobody has seen anything but a few meaningless pre-season games and 1 regular season game where in all honesty given the situation, he did pretty good.

Nothing left to say...

by keysh67 on Jan 15, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess there isn’t alot of vet talent available, but it is my hope that we at least go into training camp with a named starter… a competition does more harm than good, and I have yet to see it work

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by killascript on Jan 13, 2010 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

I'd like to agree

if only there were truly legit options out there for us!

Bradford or Clausen could be that starter too….

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by Kurupt on Jan 13, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

thats what I mean

if we get a top flight rookie, I am not against letting them start, but I would like to be able to package some picks to move up and get one of the tackles you mentioned (probably the lesser of the two) but to get a tackle and a QB in one draft, much like Miami two years ago, that would be nice, and then if we get Frazier or whoever, and they can get the defense more respectable, and an offense with a plan, we might have some growth over next year.
The biggest thing i am looking for next year, is to be better week 17 than we are in week 1… this past year, we were better week 1 in some way, but up and down, and then way, way down the rest of the year

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by killascript on Jan 13, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd be down with that

If Clausen or Bradford are there at #9, I hope we pick them and then try to move back into the early 20’s to protect them. Just like Atlanta with Ryan and Sam Baker.

I think its very possible too. If St Louis goes with Suh, Cleveland sticks with Quinn, Seattle passes on a QB, and Washington rolls with Campbell, we might have our pick. Actually, maybe that isn’t that possible, but ya never know….

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by Kurupt on Jan 13, 2010 1:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You think Pete Carroll would pass up on a QB? I wonder if he’s prepared for the draft, given how quick it appears things transpired.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That is my ideal scenario as well. Although I think we would need to trade a player (Lynch?) or two to get some more draft picks to be able to trade back into the 1st round

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by willgarr15 on Jan 13, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

and Washington rolls with Campbell

I think that its more likely that Campbell gets cut. And with that said, I’d love for us to sign him if he is a FA.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 13, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I think its very possible too. If St Louis goes with Suh, Cleveland sticks with Quinn, Seattle passes on a QB, and Washington rolls with Campbell, we might have our pick. Actually, maybe that isn’t that possible, but ya never know

I agree, that very well could happen, I have heard that Washington is interested in obtaining Colt McCoy in the 2nd round if there to compete with Campell. Snyder personally went to scout him, and he could be Shanahan’s Jake Plummer 2.0.

Even if it happened, I don’t like Clausen or Bradford at this point. I’d rather beef up the offensive line, add maybe a stopgap QB for more competition, and wait for the 2011 draft to draft a QB as it’s looking to be deep for QB in 2011 at this point.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 15, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Just like with ownership, a GM succession plan wouldn’t be such a bad idea.

I’m surprised the NFL doesn’t mandate a succession plan for all owners. maybe because they feel an NFL franchise will no matter what be picked up and bought. regardless – it’s odd nonetheless

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by J2 on Jan 13, 2010 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

I think it’s because the Bills technically do have a succession plan and that’s leave the team to his kids and then sell the team. The NFL can’t stop an owner from selling his team, so as long as Wilson is leaving the team to somebody and not to a charity or something, I don’t think the NFL can do anything about it.

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by kaisertown on Jan 14, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Post Kurupt

I basically agree with everything you said. I’d definitely like to see Buddy Nix sit down with Schobel to see if he’d be interested in getting traded because Aaron deserves it, he’s always played his butt off for the Bills and he deserves a chance to get to the playoffs, and we could use the pick we get in return.

On the trade side, I’d be OK with shopping around Lynch, Schobel, Kelsay, Mitchel, McGee, Youboty and act only if the trade makes sense. And yes, I included McGee because I think we have decent depth at the position and given that he was re-signed his trade value might be surprisingly higher than we might think.

Draft, I really like Bulaga and I think he could slide into the 20s. If Claussen, Bradford, Suh, McCoy, Williams or Okung are available then take them otherwise lets trade down into the late teens and get Bulaga. I definitely agree with the Spikes pick in Rd2. I also really like the potential of Dan Lefevour, however he is not an immediate starter and would have to learn to play front under center but this kid has oodles of leadership and seems to read defenses quite well with a decent arm and athletic enough top make plays with his legs. I could see us replacing Lynch by a guy like Gerhart, tough inside runner with tons of heart. I also would like to think that a guy like Brandon Lang (OLD) could be available in rd 3 (assuming we make a few trades and have additional #3s)

Coaching search: I agree with you that at least Nix seems to be doing a good job and interviewing as many decent candidates as possible. I am happy that Grimm accepted to interview, I really like him as a candidate. But I feel it will come down to Brian Schottenheimer with some sort of role (hopefully DC) for Marty, I just have a feeling… If that happens, I could see us getting a guy like Pennington in to mentor the QB we draft this year as well as Brohm. I think Edwards and Fitz are gonzo. I am not a huge Pennington fan but he’s miles better than Edwards and Fitz and would be a great mentor for a young QB, Pennington is a great leader and very smart and a very hard worker.

Anyhow.. Got to get back to work. Great post!

Nothing left to say...

by keysh67 on Jan 13, 2010 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

Great read K!

I have a lot to take from it, but i’ll stick to this for now…

I wonder about McCargo, well really more about Levy. I wonder if the reason Levy didn’t really succeed as a GM was because he was too close to the game. By this I mean to say I think that Wilson placed too much trust in a guy who coached his pants off, and got the most out of all types of talent.

Perhaps Levy thought that McCargo was someone his coaching staff could mold, like he was able to do. I think his greatest weakness may have been an inability to see through other’s eyes and recognize the deficiencies of the coaching staff. A GM should think like a GM, not like a coach selecting players for a staff to teach, right?

I know he found Fred Jackson, and for that i’m very thankful. He’s my favorite player on the team. I wish Wilson didn’t go on Levy’s merits during a different era when selecting a GM for this one.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

That is an interesting point to which I gave no thought of.

by BillsfanDan on Jan 13, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 13, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

all i know is........if Lee Evans tried to take my cake........

I’d kick him in the shin………

Nice post K………pretty much sums up my feelings as well……..especially the going into the season part….I was right there with you……so disappointing.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t know what all this shin-kicking, cake-taking talk is all about, but i LIKE it! If someone kicks me in the shin, they better run far and do so fast. That’s bad news bears, right there.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said

Wow, that was a large, corn-filled dump. Nice read though, I finished it all.
I am pretty much on the same page with you on your player analysis: especially your points on Lindell, George Wilson, Bryan Scott, Spencer Johnson, and Lee Evans. I think Bills fans are too hard on Lindell. He is absolutely money inside 40 yards and pretty accurate outside of that range. Watching kickers shank extra points and close-range field goals all season was only extra proof that having Lindell is a luxury, especially with the way he seems to roll with the weather up here.
George Wilson should be re-signed asap. Hard to believe he was a practice squad WR a short time ago. He was a beast this year and is a guy who not only doesn’t complain about being a special-teamer, but excells at it and leads his team.
Bryan Scott is a tackling machine. With Byrd as FS roaming for passes, he is a great complement to him, staying in the box and defending the run. I was especially impressed with the pick he made against TB, I didn’t know he had that kind of play-making ability. Oh, and he can cover the ever-elusive athletic TE.
Spencer Johnson was easily IMO the 2nd best DT on this team this year, and only because KW had a great season. He is excellent depth for any DL. He can play end (especially in a 3-4 for you 3-4-aholics out there) on running downs and DT on passing downs.
I love Lee Evans, but we should be getting more from this guy by now. I blamed the QBs and the OCs for a long time for not getting him the ball on intermediate or short routes, but watching him this year I am starting to believe he is only good at going deep. For being our #1 WR he needs to be getting the ball all over the field, and making a few plays after he catches the ball too. I dunno, I just think we need to be getting more from this guy.
Your draft philosophy I love, but it doesn’t really address the QB problem. I like Skelton from Fordham, but surely he is not where we are going to place all of our eggs for the future basket in. We need something else, but I do see your point that after Bradford and Clausen the talent diminishes greatly. Hopefully Buddy Nix already has a plan in place here to address that situation.

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by willgarr15 on Jan 13, 2010 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

I think Bills fans are too hard on Lindell. He is absolutely money inside 40 yards and pretty accurate outside of that range.

I completely agree. I think Bills fans have been spoiled by a string of good kickers going all the way back to that one guy who missed that one kick. I don’t think people realize how many teams have kickers who aren’t reliable inside 40. Lindell went 21/21 inside of 40 yards this year while Kris Brown and Lawrence Tynes both missed two kicks shorter than 30 yards. In addition to those two, Jason Elam, Rob Bironas, John Carney, Matt Prater, Mason Crosby, Shane Graham and Jay Feely are some of the recognizable names that missed at least two FGs in the 30-39 yard range and made less than 80% of those attempts. It’s not that Rian Lindell is great or anything, but he’s still one of the better kickers out there.

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by kaisertown on Jan 14, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

On another note

I would like to add that I agree that every player should be on the proverbial trading block. Every player has a price. We need draft picks and unloading ANY player to get their value in picks would be worthwhile at this point.

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by willgarr15 on Jan 13, 2010 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

That was one quetion that I was going to ask K after reading him say he’d trade Evans. I was curious if there was anybody that he actually would mind being traded for good value. I’d like to see Fred Jackson stick around. I think it’s important for Bills fans to have something to cheer about and it’s obvious why everybody likes Freddy so much. I guess George Wilson is another name I’d like to see stick around and he doesn’t really have trade value anyways. Obviously, all the rookies from last year aren’t going anywhere. I like Bell’s upside enough to roll the dice on him over a pretty decent pick. Unless Buffalo changes schemes, they’d be nuts to trade Kyle Williams for anything other than a phenominal return. I think that’s it.

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by kaisertown on Jan 14, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

A stunningly good wrap-up and look-ahead

Let’s hope the new Powers-that-Be at OBD do as fine a job of assessing where things stand as Kurupt has. I found myself agreeing with the post again and again. My one big dissent would be Lee Evans, who has proved beyond any shadow of doubt that he can be an excellent #1 receiver, but who has had to operate under impossible conditions the last two years. Excellent WR’s don’t grow on trees, and it would be crazy to trade him.

I also think people have forgotten how well Demetrius Bell was playing by mid-season. Any number of us were commenting on that at the bye week. However, it appears that his injury is actually more serious than that of Eric Wood in terms of threatening his career, which means that both of our starting OT’s at the beginning of the year (Bell and Butler) are iffy propositions from a health standpoint. For that reason I agree we will need to acquire a new potential starter at OT during the offseason, either in FA or the draft (and possibly both, depending on the prognosis for Bell and Butler)).

It is looking increasingly as if Frazier is going to be our HC, and if that is the case I am beginning to change my former opinion and wonder if Michael Vick might be our answer at QB. It looks like he will be a FA this year (Philly has a $5.1 million option on him they are unlikely to exercise, since they will need to give Kolb a new contract). That means we could get him without losing a draft pick. And given the close relationship between Frazier and Dungy, I suspect Dungy might want to see Vick end up in Buffalo. Vick’s TD pass in the playoff game against Dallas was a thing of beauty, and it came after he had entered the game cold. (The blame for his fumble later on has now been placed entirely on the OC, who gave him some instructions at the last second that no one could possibly have deciphered). The guy has amazing talent, and Frazier might be the perfect coach to handle him and keep him out of trouble.

by Macktruck on Jan 13, 2010 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

Evans

The Bills need to look at trading anyone. Evans is not a #1 WR and has proven nothing of close to it throughout his career. He’s a great deep threat, can make catches along the sidelines, but has never been a guy a QB can just throw it to under duress. I would agree that its crazy to trade great WR’s, but I don’t think Evans is great at anything other than the deep ball.

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by Kurupt on Jan 14, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if your comments on Evans’ limitations have more to do with the QB who has been throwing to him than his own skills. Trent’s biggest problem in my view is his inability to hit a receiver in motion. When someone is running a slant route over the middle Trent needs his target to come to something close to a complete stop before he will throw. That sharply limited what Evans could do. But Evans can run that sort of route, Think of the TD pass he caught from Fitz shortly after Fitz initially went in to replace Trent (was it the first Jets game?) Evans also made a number of catches in “duress” situations during the Atlanta game when Brohm was throwing to him. My guess is that you would be making the same criticism of Larry Fitzgerald if Trent was his QB.

by Macktruck on Jan 14, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

but has never been a guy a QB can just throw it to under duress

That’s the perfect way to describe it. It’s not that Evans is bad or anything, but he’s not a possesion receiver. And that isn’t because the Bills don’t know how to use him or because the QBs stink or anything like that, he’s just not that type of player. And maybe he’d put up huge numbers with a great QB, but he’s not an untradable type of player because he can’t do it all. Calling him one dimensional is a little further than I want to go, but he’s a lot closer to being a deep threat that makes catches on digs and curls along the sidelines than he is a complete WR.

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by kaisertown on Jan 14, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you guys are bang on. I’d describe Evans as the best complimmentory deep threat in the league. We just can’t keep on relying on him as ouur number one guy. He’s not a number one guy, he’s a number 2.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 14, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Corn

Well done. Rec rec rec rec rec. Here’s a few of my comments…

I know many of you label me a pessimist and maybe the most negative person on the site

Not me. I think you’re a realist, and just say the things many don’t want to hear.

I do hope John Guy gets canned soon. I have a feeling he isn’t going anywhere though…

Me too, and of course, uugghh. Who does he have pics on?

I hope he (Lynch) comes into camp (assuming no trade or suspension) slimmer and in much better shape.

I’m assuming suspension. No way this dude makes it through an off season safely.

For as overpaid as Aaron Schobel, Marcus Stroud and Chris Kelsay are, Lee Evans takes the cake (shout out to norcali).

Throw some shoutin’ this way too. I’ve been hard on Evans for quite some time, and I think some of it’s deserved. His contract doesn’t justify his production, plain and simple. Sure he has excuses with wretched QB play and an injury riddled line, but he needed to be better this year, and he wasn’t.

Never thought I’d say this – but I also liked having TO on the team this year. It’s a shame he wasn’t used more.

It was disappointing not seeing James Hardy and Steve Johnson more than a few plays here and there this year

Who are James Hardy and Steve Johnson? They were on the team this year?

Derek Fine does nothing for me anymore. I don’t see him on the team next year

Blame me for that. I jinxed him, ala Aaron Merz. My bad.

I’m on board with letting Reed and Parrish go. I’d like for them to get something for Parrish though, even if it’s just a “How to Hire a Good NFL Coach” manual.

Great season Kyle Williams.

No kidding. Very underrated in my book. I didn’t get the chance to comment (ie – was too lazy) in the fan post about young guys to build around, but I thought Williams should’ve been included, even if he’s going into his fifth season.

I liked Johnson’s year, much better than last year’s play. Don’t know what to make of Stroud. Was he hurt? Disinterested? Either way, that extension is looking like a mistake.

On one hand I can’t believe you’d still consider keeping McCargo around for a new regime. But then again, why not? It can’t hurt to invite him to camp I guess. He has to know he’s going to face some competition, something he didn’t have to do this year for that 4th DT spot.

Aside from Maybin, Poz, Ellison (depth only), and maybe Mitchell, I want all new DEs and LBs. I want bigger guys, not the guys who look like they just stepped off of a BoFlex commercial set. Maybe it was emotion, but I thought I heard Schobel screaming for a trade. If so, he deserves to be granted that wish; it’s been earned.

Don’t want to see a thing changed in the secondary. And, I’d like to see Scott resigned, with the premise that he never ever has to play LB again.

Wrong order here, but scrolling up and down in this War And Peace fan post (like I should talk) makes me lose track. The OL. I kind of like parts of it. I’m assumming Wood returns to health. Really like Levitre. Hangartner is a nice player. I’m in complete agreement with you on Butler. Really like the Incognito signing, and I think it’s too early to give up on Bell. The rest of those guys I could care less about. Bringing in a starting caliber OT is important, but all in all, I like where this line is headed (for now).

And QBs….I’m probably gonna get killed on this, but I still (again, for now) kind of sort of believe in Edwards. I want to know what he did to really lose the team though. It must have been something pretty bad, and if it was, then he can go. One thing that disappoints me is that he never stood up after his benching and held himself accountable. I expected more from him in that regard, and he failed – epically.

I just hope we get a guy who can take control of the locker room and really change the culture of losing we have. No more complacency and lack of toughness. I want a guy who will instill a great deal of toughness and find a way to develop a quality offense. I just don’t know who that is.

Agreed. And, I don’t think they know who it is either. [insert the sound of a sigh here]

I’m not gonna touch FA for now. What’s the official date for the uncapped year to kick in? If it does (and I’m not convinced it will – about 215 players are going to fight that), I think you’ll see more trades happen. Teams who want to spend but can’t because of the restrictions, may find the trade route a way to add on talent and salary. This might be the perfect situation for Buffalo, if they want to do a total rehaul. Guys like Evans, Schobel, Lynch, Kelsay and whomever else might not fetch much individually, but collectively, adding an extra three or four picks to a deep draft will really help this team get back on the right track.

Good work again K.

by krytime on Jan 13, 2010 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

Just for the record

Resigned means submissive or characterized by resignation; re-signed means signed again. I was shocked to read that you would like to see B Scott resigned, then realized you meant he should be re-signed.
You echoed my sentiments about working the trade market for more draft picks. If we’re gonna suck, let’s be young and sucky, with signs of promise in the future.
You lost me with the Edwards comment though. I thought I was the last person to hold out hope for everything: Jauron, Edwards, I even argued for JP till the end. This one is a done deal I think, but I’m sure Trent would be glad he has a fan out there who isn’t family.

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by willgarr15 on Jan 13, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think Edwards’ situation has to be a “done deal.” If the fanbase thinks he needs to go to another team to have any success, it could be this new regime. I feel the need to remind people that an entirely new coaching staff is set to sign on (right, someone, someday…hopefully), so this team should take on a completely different attitude, have a different tone than the one from the last 4 years.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I definitely meant re-signed.

I’m still on teh fence about Edwards. I still think he has a good bunch of skill. I wanna know if he did something to p!ss off the team, or if he just lost all of his confidence. The second part I think, can be fixed. Maybe.

by krytime on Jan 13, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree he has talent. But I think that his brain is either too-jumbled or he never really had the mind to stand in the pocket and deliver strikes to his receivers. No QB in this league stays up-right the whole time. He needs to be able to look through pressure and feel it coming and still deliver down-field. Dumping the ball off is fine, but not if you don’t hit some open targets down the field too. He looked like a lost puppy in the pocket for the better part of this season. The way he played against NE and others early gives you hope he can deliver, but he never did.

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by willgarr15 on Jan 13, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Aside from Maybin, Poz, Ellison (depth only), and maybe Mitchell, I want all new DEs and LBs. I want bigger guys, not the guys who look like they just stepped off of a BoFlex commercial set.

Exactly. We need size AND athleticism, not just athleticism. I’m sick of watching our guys get run over.

Wrong order here, but scrolling up and down in this War And Peace fan post (like I should talk) makes me lose track.

Tabbed browsing, kry. It’s the best!

What’s the official date for the uncapped year to kick in?

I believe it is March 5th.

~K
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by Kurupt on Jan 14, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

K - O.K.!

Nice post. I think you have a pretty good grasp of what this team needs. If Buddy Nix is as good or better, I think there’s actually hope for this franchise and its long-suffering fans.

The two losses against Miami & Cleveland in back-to-back contests absolutely killed my interest in the team this year, but I can hope we’ve hit bottom and are going to rebound (we Bills fans are stubborn optimists to a fault).

Thanks again for a very nice write-up. Here’s hoping we get a quality guy that brings what is needed to the coaching position (help wanted) in Western NY!

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Jan 13, 2010 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

Great Post K, Rec'd

I agree with just ablout everything you said on our current rosters, the guys the we should cut loose and the guys that we should bring back. With the exception of your opinion of Stroud I think your dead on on all of them. I would also bring Ellisson back as a backup, but thats another argument for another day.

As for re-seigning our guys and signing FA’s it really depends on which coach we hire and what scheme he puts in place. Until then, theres not much that can be said about signing FA’s.

I like your draft though. I like the fact that you go after our big needs early and the versitility that it brings. AL the players that you mention in your mock draft could play in whatever scheme we end up with. And thats a good thing.

All in all a great job K.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 13, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Atta boy, K. Stimulating post!

Since you mentioned Kyle Williams from Arizona State as a slot option, I feel inclined to mention Chris McGaha, who would be a very nice UDFA.

Go Bills! I mean 'stay' Bills...

by Undee on Jan 13, 2010 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

Good pick

I liked Williams much better due to speed and return ability….

~K
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by Kurupt on Jan 13, 2010 5:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Kyle Williams (confusion!) has the measurable athleticism , while McGaha just got open in clutch situations. Probably not worth a pick, but I wouldn’t be surprised if someone had use for him.

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by Undee on Jan 13, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we’ll finally field an offense that doesn’t make me want to squeeze lemon juice in my eyes.

Love it!

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by fansince83 on Jan 13, 2010 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

John Skelton

My guy Russ Lande really likes John Skelton and thinks he will be a steal in rounds 6 or 7.

by RIP058 on Jan 13, 2010 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

Stroud played hurt most of the year

knee and other injuries to his lower legs i beleive and obviously that limits ur ability to produce there are reasons good players with a large enough body of work to call “good” have down years like R Seymour in 07 he was hurt and his production suffered then in 08 he had 8 or 9 sacks

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by BRIANMULHALL on Jan 13, 2010 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

Meh

I haven’t seen much from Stroud in his 2 years here. Has he been injured that whole time? He looks washed up to me and really doesn’t make any plays in the backfield. He’s a space eating DT, that isn’t a full space eater. I think that contract extension was a very bad idea, and it was totally out of nowhere and unnecessary too….

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by Kurupt on Jan 14, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

He has batted down plenty of passes…?

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by Undee on Jan 14, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Post......... well written.

Nice write-up K.
I guess most on here cannot stand to read anything longer that a PFT post.
My comments on your post:

  • Trent is broken mentally. Agreed. I wish him well elsewhere.
  • Fitzy played crappy a lot and throws ducks, but he has balls and can actually read a defense a little and audible effectively. Love to keep him.
  • Brohm? Might be a 3rd stringer forever. Or could be a future starter. Who knows? But he needs coaches to develop him. GB didn’t because they were focused on Brett Farve. He didn’t have a chance.
  • Marshawn. Lose weight, hit the gym, don’t screw up. We need both him and Freddy next year.
  • Reed and Roscoe. Buh-bye. Time for Scuba Steve, Hardy, and whatever 4th string WR we draft to duke it out and grow up. I guarantee you they are hungry.
  • O-line. I actually don’t puke when I see what we have. If everyone gets healthy, and we draft a LT….. these guys could be good.
  • I’m not even going to comment on the defense except: We need a big FAT D-line to stop the run and take heat off the LBs, Poz does not deserve the bashing he takes, we have a good back-end except fire Reggie Corner.
  • I almost don’t care who is picked as coach at this point as long as the guy can bring in a good staff with him. That being said, Fraz has been around a long time and probably has a lot of good guys he can bring in. But it doesn’t matter who the coach is, if the FO doesn’t give him the players to win. WADE IS DEEP INTO THE PLAYOFFS! I REPEAT, WADE IS DEEP INTO THE PLAYOFFS! If DJ was the Cowgirls coach, that could be him. Get it?
  • I don’t like your idea of dumping/trading all of our veteran DE’s and then bringing in free agents, I think you drank a little too much.
  • DRAFT = ROLANDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. Ellison is good.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 13, 2010 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

Mostly agreed, but…

  • Keep Josh Reed, at least initially. With TO and Parrish on the way out, we at least need a body and he provides that. Let him duke it out with someone for the slot role. He’s just not so bad that he needs to get dumped. Don’t overpay, but don’t let people go if we don’t definitely know that we have something better.
  • Similarly, don’t fire Reggie Corner. The guy was our 4th or 5th CB beginning the year, but he got put on #1 and #2 WRs because those in front of him got injured. If Lankster and/or Harris come on in 2010, fine, do what you want. To me, those 2 have not proven they are capable of overtaking Corner’s (marginal) talent. Plus, he’s still young and you never know what can transpire in the offseason.
  • Let Denney go this year since his contract expires and draft/acquire/trade for another DE. When Kelsay’s contract is up next year, do the same. If Schobel gets traded, I’m ok with it, though it would be nice for him to finish his career as a Bill. If that happens, though, we absolutely cannot get hosed on the deal. He needs to get traded to a contender that would not be opposed to parting with a couple decent draft picks.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 14, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Favre was gone before Green Bay drafted Brohm. They took Brohm to back up Rodgers because Aaron was the only QB on the roster. Teams don’t draft a QB in the 2nd round to not coach up. Brohm failed on his own and not because Green Bay didn’t handle him well enough. Doesn’t mean he can’t succeed here, but he’s the one who has to be different, not the situation around him.

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by kaisertown on Jan 14, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe its the loss of a wasted season

or the fact that i look at this team and see it going nowhere. but i pretty much agree on everything K said. that being said, i think bell CAN be our next LT. i dont know if he will, but i think he is athletic and talented enough to be a good LT. great LT? no, but good enough. i think our best bet is someone like light and have bell mature and learn and go -from there. i dont wanna draft a fat over-weight lazy person. maybe next years draft….

i dont see clausen and bradford being gone by pick 9, but i may be wrong. if they are i think trading down would be the best bet. i never advocate trading down either, so that should tell you what i think of the options at #9 after clausen and bradford. i dont think marshawn is going anywhere. i think the new regime kicks his ass and he gets it into gear, at least i hope. i would also like TO to come back, but dont see it as likely, just possible.

i like the pick of spikes. he may have had a down year, but i think hes a smart heady player that reads offenses really really really well. if we trade down we could take him late 1st round or early 2. i know ill get bricks thrown at me but i think tebow is worth a look, and again if we can trade down, he wouldnt be as big a liability if we got him. the problem is NO ONE knows where hes likely to get drafted. some say as high as when JAX picks, others say third – fourth round. it will be an interesting thing to watch play out.

i think trading schobel is the best idea both for this franchise and for him. hes always been a stand up guy and i believe he should get his shot somewhere. maybe a 3rd for him? i really dont know his value but a third would be fine by me, a 2 would be awesome.

i think leo comes back. and florence plays that nickel. either that or its reversed. i dont see corner getting anything but rotational and injury sub duty. would love to have scott back, i think hes pretty invaluable back there. he covers the big TE’s well and can support the run. i think donte should be moved to back-up role and possibly released or traded if you can get anything for him, especially with the emergence of wilson.

i dont know what to say about the qb’s besides they were all awful. no one stood out, and no one deserves any praise in my book. fitz is alright in a back-up role, trent should be on his way out, and brohm is an unknown, but probably has backup written all over him. i wouldnt mind bringing brohm back as 3, and then letting fitz walk after next year and brohm get 2. i guess it depends on who we get at qb.

i hope we get a good quality coach. i dont mind frazier, i didnt like brian. dont know much about grimm, and im glad gruden isnt a possibility. im glad buffalo is taking their time and asking for alot of interviews. i dont think it reflects back on us that brian said no and cowher isnt that interested. probably means they werent right for this team right now. and we need someone that knows what hes getting into and has the guts to do the right things and make the tough decisions. if the cardinals can turn around a franchise, then dammit so can the bills.

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by silverstreak3k on Jan 13, 2010 11:48 PM EST reply actions  

Do you think the Bills would pass on Tebow if he was available to them with their 2nd round pick? I would love to see that kid come to Buffalo.

It might be another Maybin pick, but at this point, how are the Bills looking? They’re not building for a run at the playoffs. There’s no real urgency to win now, as they’ve established a great fanbase despite losing 60% of their games for the better part of this last decade.

I really want to see Tebow in Buffalo. His is talent you can’t deny and he plays with a drive that you cannot teach.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 14, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh and I don’t mean to imply that Tebow would be their savior at QB and should be their top QB prospect, but I would love for them to steal his talent in the draft.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 14, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

i think if hes there in second, he would def deserve a serious look.

and the thing with tebow is, you dont have to have him at just QB. his skill set seems to transfer to TE, FB or wild-cat ish offensive sets. i figure no matter where he goes (sans dallas, miami, jets, or NE) im gonna get his jersey. i think he will make it in the nfl somehow.

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by silverstreak3k on Jan 14, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed in the second. But I’d rather go after his teamate Spikes in the second then Tebow.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 14, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

If my favorite team is drafting Tebow, i’d hope they do so because they want him to play QB. I think he’s most dangerous playing QB. I want nothing to do with another Matt Jones situation. He was a stud QB in college, then never really learned the pro game the way they needed him to. I can imagine Tebow might have more difficulty playing TE in the NFL than people are saying he would.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 14, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

i would rather him be in qb posistion too

but my point is, if thats not working out, its not like he cant possibly play any other position. he should get his shot at QB, but he has the skill set to play other positions too. therefore the likelihood of him being a wasted pick is diminished.

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by silverstreak3k on Jan 14, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m all about projecting QBs out to other positions and drafting them for that, but you don’t do that in the early rounds. You take an Armanti Edwards as a slot receiver in round 6 or 7. Or maybe Daryll Clark can be a H-Back type in the NFL and get a handful of carries per game and play the role of a FB when in the shotgun. But you don’t draft a QB in the first couple rounds with the fallback plan of him playing another position. I don’t think it should be a consideration.

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by kaisertown on Jan 14, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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