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Brian Schottenheimer declines interview with Bills

Apparently, Brian Schottenheimer really is as happy as he says he is with the New York Jets.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports via Twitter that Schottenheimer has turned down the opportunity to interview for the Buffalo Bills' head coaching vacancy. He won't be interviewing this week, and he won't be interviewing after the season, either.

Buffalo had received permission from the Jets earlier in the week to interview Schottenheimer. They have also received permission to interview Arizona offensive line coach Russ Grimm, but no interview has been scheduled to this point on that front, either.

The Bills have already interviewed Perry Fewell and Leslie Frazier for the position. Schottenheimer, 36, and Grimm, 50, are the two most recent confirmed cases of the Bills receiving permission for interviews. Reports indicated that Chargers defensive coordinator Ron Rivera turned down an interview request a week ago, but that may be re-visted after the Chargers' season ends. Now, their candidate pool has depleted by one.

Schottenheimer's father, Marty, has a long-standing relationship with Bills GM Buddy Nix. That relationship was expected to give the Bills an 'in' with the Jets' offensive coordinator; clearly, that will not come to fruition.

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The Buffalo Bills.....the NFL's ugly step sister

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

actually

the ugly step sister is a step up

Nothing left to say...

by keysh67 on Jan 13, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

With a voice like Larry King

"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban

by NJBill on Jan 13, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he will interview after the season

and hopefully they can bring in Marty as a consultant. I don’t know who else would be good out there with past head coach experience. I say send a low round pick to Carolina for John Fox at this rate.

by Jcrew1179 on Jan 13, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports via Twitter that Schottenheimer has turned down the opportunity to interview for the Buffalo Bills’ head coaching vacancy. He won’t be interviewing this week, and he won’t be interviewing after the season, either.

by quantumuprising on Jan 13, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, thanks

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Schefter

Doesn’t it seem like Adam Shefter has it in for us? I get the sense that he is GLAD to report when people don’t want to interview with the Bills, like he gets some sort of satisfaction out of it!

by Caleb R on Jan 13, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I do not get that sense at all.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2010 5:17 AM EST up reply actions  

More like red headed step child being taken behind the wood shed currently

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

but does it?

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Jan 13, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Big Chance

These guys are taking a big gamble, you are the hottest coordinator one year and the next you do not even get a sniff. So much for striking while the iron is hot. I want a guy who wants to be here.

by billsfan69 on Jan 13, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

That leaves me, you and the other guys on this board. Anyone have “coaching experience”?

by Slick Shifty on Jan 13, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I have a couple of seasons as a Frosh WR coach/passing game coordinator...

lol……Im more than qualified to run this team.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I ended 12-0 in my last two seasons as a head coach…of 8th graders.

Go Bills! I mean 'stay' Bills...

by Undee on Jan 13, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I always do well in Madden, coached a year in college for the field events in Track and Field, that good enough?

I watch game film for a buddy who coaches HS ball

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

What an arrogant guy. I mean, this game can turn on you at any time. It’s not like he’s the 2nd coming of Vince Lombardi or something. Like you said, one year you’re on top of the world, the next you are out looking for college QB coaching gigs. I hope he never gets a HC job in the NFL. I get guys like Cowher and Shanny saying they’ll wait for a more stable situation because they don’t need this job to make their legacy or to make their money, but B Schott should really think long and hard about this decision. I’m not saying the Bills job is the greatest opportunity in the world, but it is the only opportunity offered to him right now.

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by willgarr15 on Jan 13, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

More to this

It’s hard to believe that an assistant would turn down an interview for a head coaching job. Maybe Schottenheimer has it on good authority that the Bills have already decided on Leslie Frazier (or another candidate) and are just trying to show the public that they’re doing their due diligence.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 13, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Add it to the list of those who have rejected the Bills...

Shanahan
Cowher
Marty
Brian Schootenheimer

Grimm seems like he’s not real interested…

Am I missing any one? As I said, the other day, it looks like Fraizer by default (he seems like he’s the only one that wants the dang job!)

Sad.

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 13, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Can we really include Marty? Dude’s retired.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t Cowher technically retired too?

by Slick Shifty on Jan 13, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Cowher is significantly younger, and his interest in coaching again is well-known. Meanwhile, Schottenheimer – and his son – have been adamant that Marty is done coaching.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

but what about all that talk earlier regarding “one call from nix is all it would take”

by quantumuprising on Jan 13, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

That was never anything more than speculation from a reporter or two.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

semantics

Everyone of them has an excuse, “I’m retired,” “I like my job here,” “I’m going to wait until th end of the season.” But just as Shanahan to Washington proved, these guys jump like kids in the candy store if a job they want comes open. Nobody is jumping for the Buffalo job.

Consider: If for some reason the Steelers job came open tomorrow, would Brian Schottenheimer turn down a chance to interview because “he’s happy to be the Jets OC?” In the words of the popular 90’s sitcom, “I don’t think so Tim.”

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 13, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Tim the Tool Man Taylor!!!!

Loved the hydraulic stilts, and the souped up lawnmower…
Anyway… I disagree with those thinking no one is jumping at the Buff job, and even if their not, I don’t want them then….
Frazier and Fewell (yeah, I said it… so shoot me:-) looking better to me as time goes on anyway, though among the coordinators, I’m holding out on the Grimm and Rivera interviews… Either way… I want tough training, and tough minds out of our team….
 Billick is still waiting a call from Nix as well…

by Cinga on Jan 13, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Given our current pool of candidates who have not told us to piss off, I would like Rivera or Grimm

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Hate to say it...

But honestly, I wasn’t real high on the Cowpoker, or either Shot… Shanahan woulda been nice, but I’m pretty interested in the Grimm/Frazier/Fewell/Rivera outlook. Obviously, I’m not as hung up on the HC “experience” thing as most… All 4 of the above however, I think could work great with Nix and put a really good team on the field… Even Fewell with his own coaches, training etc…. All 4 bring spit, vinegar, and tough nosed football…

by Cinga on Jan 13, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh....

and losing out on Shanny is good for the offense IMO… Let Wash have that zone blocking crap…

by Cinga on Jan 13, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

At this point, lets hope that someone wants the job

If things keep going like this, we may have to rehire Jauron!!!!!!!!!!

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Rivera Declined

I’m pretty sure Rivera declined an interview last week

by RIP058 on Jan 13, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

With both Buffalo and Seattle, but the thought is that he’ll wait until after the season.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If that is so, I like that fact, it means he gives a crap about the team he is with

And making sure he does all he can with whom he has a contract at that time, I can really respect that.

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

What I’m saying is that “I’m retired” is a legitimate excuse, whereas the other ones are not. Marty has nothing to gain by coming back. Everyone else does.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This reminds me of my former boss

He would ask why things weren’t done on time and when he was told that a machine broke down (because he was too cheap to pay us for the time to do proper maintenance) he would bellow, “That is an excuse not a reason, I want reasons!” I’m positive he was just looking for somebody to blame other then himself.

I wouldn’t lump Marty in with those others.

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by sireric on Jan 13, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay

So we take Marty out and add Gruden and Holmgren. The point is, the Bills head coaching gig has become one of the most undesirable jobs in the NFL.

Tim Graham just updated his blog:

Do the Buffalo Bills have the worst head-coaching job in the entire NFL?

It’s difficult to argue otherwise when they keep getting turned down for interviews.

Most of the A-list candidates gave Buffalo the Heisman stiff arm a long time ago. Now, top assistants who’ve never been head coaches before are saying “No, thanks….”

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 13, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I was never arguing the point. It’s one I’ve made many times.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s always the Oakland Raiders!

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by kaisertown on Jan 13, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Lee Corso has coached in this in the past as has Marv Levy, IIRC. It’s usually done by retired or non-working coaches.

by sabre74kkn on Jan 13, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup...

and Crennel the East…

by Cinga on Jan 13, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He has a Super Bowl to gain. From Wikipedia:

He holds the peculiar distinction of being the NFL coach with the most wins since 1966 to never coach a team in a Super Bowl (which was first held in that year).

I don’t know if he has the desire to change that legacy, but it would be a reason to come back. We both get our first SB win at the same time. It’s a fairy tale ending. And then I woke up. :-)

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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 14, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Sad

unreal

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by J2 on Jan 13, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s stil got plenty of time to turn us down yet, but he’ll be pretty busy here the next few weeks.

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by Pocono Bob on Jan 13, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

ron rivera as well turned down the offer! damn no 1 wants 2 coach b-lo!!!!!

by canesnbillsn1 on Jan 13, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Gruden signed a 3-year extension with ESPN. I suppose those who want to will classify that as a rejection as well. The deal was signed before Jauron was fired, by the way.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we don't want Gruden

His 3 yr extension with ESPN is obviously not a huge problem. Sources are linking him to the UT job.

LInk: http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/features/rumors#1621

by Slick Shifty on Jan 13, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

If sources were linking him to UT, it wouldn’t be on ESPN Insider – it’d be on ESPN.com.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It was on ESPN this morning.

On the show right after Mike and Mike. He was mentioned as a outside canidate,and hw he would be UT’s dream hire.

by mob16151 on Jan 13, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

ESPN first take.

Wow I had brain freeze when trying to think of the name.

by mob16151 on Jan 13, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly, no one wants to be here. so much for both the schootenheimers coming here. Hopefully we get Bilick, he said he wanted to come.

by csc06258 on Jan 13, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Grimm its hard to say, what if they win the Superbowl? Then his value will go up much more

Then again, that might actually truly take him out of the race for us, crap…

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm getting really really sick of...

feeling rejected all the time as a Bills fan. I’m going to have to take a break from following the head coaching search story. Every day something pisses me off and, although I’d rather not admit it, hurts my feelings, and I can’t take it anymore. Why does it have to be so damn hard to be a Bills fan? Why can’t we catch a damn break?

by Boogie on Jan 13, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe Frazier is the break. We end up hiring him as he’s the only candidate left at the end of this process. Then, he stays here for 20 years and wins 5 championships. We look back on this day and say THANK GOD, Brian Schott. turned us down so we get Frazier!

by Slick Shifty on Jan 13, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t do that. Don’t fill my head with hope. Hope is all we’ve had for so long and it’s killing me. I really don’t know why I’m taking this particular news so hard.

by Boogie on Jan 13, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

because a young offensive coordinator that should be jumping at the chance to interview for a head coaching position just turned down the opportunity. Enough to feel like you’ve been ditched the night before the prom.

I’m not sad or dejected, but angry. Angry at Ralph for letting this team slip into such an undesireable state. Angry that these coaches care more about their reputations than to seize the opportunity to turn around a once-proud franchise. Every coach nows seems to want to walk into the perfect situation. Where is the challenge and glory in that?

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 13, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I love the enthusiasm Shifty. It has happened before…

B-B-B-Byrd Byrd Byrd, Byrd is the Wyrd!"

by willgarr15 on Jan 13, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Preach Brotha'!

I echo those feelings 1000%! Sometimes I wish they WOULD just move, just as a mercy killing for us fans, like a dog that needs to be put down for its own good no matter how much you love it. Bills fans probably have it tougher than any other fans in the NFL. People can say what they want about the Raiders and Redskins, but BOTH those teams have had sucess in the past 10 years. The Lions? Yeah, they are awful, but the Lions don’t have the tradition we have in Buffalo. did anyone think after the 4th Super Bowl loss that we would win only 1 more playoff game in the next 16 years, and see a 10 year run in which we dont even MAKE the playoffs?!?!?!

by Caleb R on Jan 13, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

did anyone think after the 4th Super Bowl loss that we would win only 1 more playoff game in the next 16 years

actually, yeah

Go Bills! I mean 'stay' Bills...

by Undee on Jan 13, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Too Bad...

Too bad Lou Saban passed away he would have been a good stop gap——I wonder if Harvey Johnson is available?

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by Goose22 on Jan 13, 2010 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

Kay Stephenson may be tempted to come out of retirement. After he lost his job to Hank Bullough he went on to a productive coaching career in the minor leagues and CFL. Hell, Hanks’s still around and one of the early 3-4 guys!

"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban

by NJBill on Jan 13, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

if we want a female named coach, let’s take Leslie

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

zing!

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by NJBill on Jan 13, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

HC – Jim Kelly
OC – Thurman Thomas or Andre Reed
DC – Bruce Smith

C’mon Jimbo organize the posse!

by IronEagle119 on Jan 13, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

You forgot to mention:

Talley for LBer’s coach, Tasker, Special Teams, Andre, WR’s coach, Hull, OL coach, Reich, QB coach, and so on . . . . . .

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by Pocono Bob on Jan 13, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Consistency

Nice choices, but consistency is important…so lets replace Reich at QB coach with AVP. j/k

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by John H IL on Jan 13, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a good thought...

Every one does know I hope, that Frank Reich is the QB coach in Indy don’t you????

by Cinga on Jan 13, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

i don’t think they need a qb coach…

by quantumuprising on Jan 13, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Easiest job in America … until Manning retires LoL

by sabre74kkn on Jan 13, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

right? What does Reich actually do as a QB coach of the Colts lol.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

which situation would you less want to be in

as a backup who never played a game before?

Coming in to try and maintain the perfect season (Painter)

or coming in and trying to win the BCS (Gilbert)

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by poz on Jan 13, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Painter.

But only because he gets paid. haha

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Great!!!!!!!!!

I don´y know about you guys, but I didn´t want an ex jets coach comming to buffalo and calling the shots.

 I totally HAAAAATE that team, plus he´s not that good anyways. Let him stay and next year we´ll kick the $%&/(# out of him.

by rick p on Jan 13, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

WHOOOOO!!!! HELL YES!

GREAT NEWS!!!!

What an arrogant little turd!

I don’t want him here and feel vindicated by this rejection. What a loser. If he’s too much of a coward to accept the opportunity of a lifetime – the gig everyone in his industry lives for – because of a fear of failing or because its difficult then what kind of leader of men or inspiring motivator was he ever going to be?

Good bye B Schott, never wanted you, and now your proving why! What a coward! MWA HAHAAHAHAH

I CANT WAIT TILL WE POUND HIM NEXT YEAR AFTER COWHER DECIDES HE DOES WANT THE CHALLENGE JUST BECAUSE EVERY OTHER BOY CHILD DOESN’T THINK IT CAN BE DONE!

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by poz on Jan 13, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

also of similar side effect as crack “Gentleman, which brings me to my next point: Don’t be a Bills fan.”

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Jan 13, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

If we’re counting rejections, can we count cowards, too? So far, Bill Cowher and Brian Schottenheimer are cowards. Anyone want to add to the list?

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, like this idea

I nominate Mike Shanahan as coward #1

by StroudFanClub on Jan 13, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

i see shanahan not as a coward

but

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by silverstreak3k on Jan 13, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

wow i didnt mean to hit post so early

but as a man that saw more money at washington (not just salary, but money for personnel and players.)

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones

by silverstreak3k on Jan 13, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree with that statement. Cowards is the perfect word for the way they are handling the coaching opening. Just say no if its a no… This is crazy that coordinators are turning down opportunities to become HC’s

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I was being sarcastic. No one is a coward for not wanting a job.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh… I still call it coward. To not even interview for the job… Thats just dumb IMO.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

and i hope his jets get shutout in their next game. Then I hope they go 7-9 or worse over the next decade, have no better than a 25th ranked offense during that decade and become a laughing stock of the league and coaches turn down their openings.

B. Shott seems like a pretty confident guy but if he isnt confident enough to take on a HC interview than to hell with him call it a coward or not, but its stupid and thats even worse.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope the Jets get shutout this weekend too, but not because Shottenheimer turned down an interview. Who cares about him.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

sure they are
No one is a coward for not wanting a job

If you were offered the chance to interview to run a sports channel to rival ESPN’s and you didn’t even accept the offer to interview because you didn’t think you could do it because it was too hard and funding was limited and ESPN was too dominant then you would have to question your own abilities or your belief in your own abilities.

Now, of course, I have no doubt that BG could successfully undertake such a challenge. So why is B Schott not even considering the HC gig? He’s waiting for an easier task to come along which of course, is IF another one ever comes along.

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by poz on Jan 13, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly...

Taking an “easier” job is taking the cowards way out of it.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

yes they are cowards............

Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons

by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Why does this remind me of a scene from Shrek?
Princess Fiona: You didn’t slay the dragon?
Shrek: It’s on my “to do” list. Now come on.
Princess Fiona: But this isn’t right. You’re meant to charge in, sword drawn, banner flying-that’s what all the other knights did.
Shrek: Yeah, right before they burst into flame.

Does that make Shrek a coward? Or, smarter than the others who came before him?

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It makes Shrek an ogar and a fairy tale… If Shrek (B. Shott) doesnt want to take on the dragon (HC) because its too tough for him to handle alone then yes he is a coward. Why wouldnt you want to be the one to “slay the dragon” (take on the HC job and turn us around to a winner!)

But i think comparing shrek slaying a dragon to an OC taking on an interview as a HC is a bit out of whack.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well then you missed the point

which is……..that if you believe as a coach that the current state of the Bills is so dysfunctional that there is a slime to none chance of being successful, is it really being a coward to not want the job? You’re basically calling them a coward for not committing professional suicide. I say no. Look at the damage guys like Gilbride, Williams, and Mularkey have done to their careers by coaching in Buffalo. After awhile, you have to stop blaming others, look in the mirror, and realize it is not them….it is you.

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

they all landed back on their feet. Williams was one of the hottest DC’s out there and Matt Ryan would probably tell you he is happy MM is there as their OC. The point I was trying to say is…

You’re essentially one step away from being an NFL Head Coach as an OC. And as much recognition you get as a coordinator, you get even more as the HC. Now I know they didnt offer him the job but its the same point. If hes happy with his OC spot thats fine, but he might not ever get that call again to interview. To not interview is the part I dont get. Keeping his job is nothing I have a problem with, but to not even take an interview is not smart IMO and therefore I call coward because hes in a “safety zone” in NY and cant handle the job as a HC. Him declining the interview shows me he doesnt have confidence in himself to be the head guy. Only a passenger… not the driver…

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It could be for many reason

1. Doesn’t want to coach for the Bills…why waste everyone’s time
2. Doesn’t think he is ready to be HC yet….I agree….why does that make you a coward. “A man has got to know his limitations”.
3. Wants to focus on preparing for the next game

I really doubt this is his last chance at a HC job….a good OC will always get job offers.

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

and he made it clear he’s happy where he is. See signature below.

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

"A man has got to know his limitations".

If I knew what those were, I might have some… :-)

by Cinga on Jan 13, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

1. Doesn’t want to coach for the Bills…why waste everyone’s time

If he doesnt want to coach them because they are “the Bills” then thats a coward. Because we’re not a playoff team, he doesnt want to be here? Thats cowardness… We all talk about Jauron and Fewell getting coord jobs so if he failed he could go back to that.

2. Doesn’t think he is ready to be HC yet….I agree….why does that make you a coward. "A man has got to know his limitations".

Thats an alright argument but to not even interview is just plain stupid in my eyes. And you would think he would want to go into the interview and show confidence in himself, which if he doesnt have confidence, that shows to me that hes not HC material. Not interviewing shows more than interviewing and not getting the call.

3. Wants to focus on preparing for the next game

Thats a very PR (save face) response. The Jets gave their permission. If that was his answer its very brown-nosing of him.

all these are just my personal opinions. I know alot wont agree but thats the way I feel about him turning down an interview.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I can respect those reasons

I just think calling him a coward is a little to scorned womanish to me :-)

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha. Idk maybe my “coward” statement isnt directed towards B. Shott entirely but more to the fact that it seems NO ONE wants to coach our freakin’ team. Its embarrassing, and I know ESPN isnt the be-all end-all in the sporting news world and theyve been doing this for years… but they make us out to look like a NFL-AA team compared to any other team. And him saying he doesnt want to interview might have just been the last straw with me. I just dont understand why no one wants this job. I would kill for an opportunity at a HC job. Anyone one of us would… Why is this job beneath all these coords and other coaches out of coaching now.

Ahhh the Bills :-) haha

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel ya...let's hope we get lucky.

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by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Because we’re not a playoff team, he doesnt want to be here?

Actually, it has absolutely nothing to do with that.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

the only question that remains

is if the city and team is more undesirable than working for the owner. Personally, I dont buy its Ralph’s reputation because Mike Shanahan just signed with Dan Snyder, a guy who made life a living hell for legends such as Gibbs and M Schott

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by poz on Jan 13, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s the owner and the uncertain future.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

well then we’re F’ed with everyone so let the guys just draw up plays in the field turf and see what happens… 7-9 is the same as 1-15 in my book. We havent made the playoffs in 10 years with a coach… lets shake things up completely and go coachless.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

is our future really that uncertain though?

If the Bills move anywhere its likely Toronto though I cant even see that.

Also, if the team does move, wouldn’t a new owner not fire a coach if he was winning?

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Jan 13, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is Toronto more likely than LA? Rogers is dead and he’s the only Toronto business guy I’ve heard of interested in the team. Whereas the LA contingent gets stronger every year.

New owners usually bring in their own people. It’s just usually how it works.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

New owners usually bring in their own people. It’s just usually how it works.

I know that but dont you think a new owner would tend to just bring a guy like B-Schott with him to LA if he has back to back playoff seasons?

What about the guy who owns the Bruins, he seems kind of interested in the team. I just think Buffalo is likely to move to LA than Jacksonville. I really do.

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by poz on Jan 13, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think Buffalo is likely to move to LA than Jacksonville. I really do.

More or less likely?

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha whooops meant less!

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by poz on Jan 13, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

haha thats what i figured. Yeah I was at the Bills-Jags game 2 years ago when Hardy caught that TD. I was sitting in a section that the seats next to us an old couple retired from Buffalo have season tickets to the Jags games. She told me the stadium never sells out, puts ads over the seats to not count them against the blackout rule and only really sell out to full capacity for college games. She said people down there just dont care about the NFL. If they moved us before them… I would be done with the NFL completely. And I know they (NFL) dont give a darn about us (small market) but that would be a damn shame to take away the Bills from Buffalo, it just wouldnt be right.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Even without selling out I bet they make more money in Jacksonville than the Bills make in Buffalo.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

As a Bills fan in LA

I think it would be devastating to move the Bills to LA. Devastating and heartless. Not that the NFL has a heart…. I would feel really bad for Buffalo. The team belongs there.

by LABillsFan on Jan 13, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

http://www.wben.com/Report—Bruins-Owner-Jeremy-Jacobs-Looking-At-Bill/3037065
Jeremy Jacobs. He is the only legit Buffalo guy who could put an ownership group together to keep the team here.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

haha!

you can always believe right?

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by poz on Jan 13, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

haha i dont care who owns them as long as they keep them in Orchard Park and provide a winner! not just promise one like Ralph.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

would rather have Jimmy Buffett. His endorsement deal with stadium in FLA is over.

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

then

mr. g would have to sell the sabres? is that what i read about jacobs ? that he would have to sell the bruins to own the bills? but i like what im readin about jacobs..

by majr1282 on Jan 13, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Galisano would not have to sell the Sabres

You can own 2 sports teams in thge same market in thge NFL.

by The Irishman on Jan 13, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I thought the NFL rule was that owners cannot own other sport franchises, except soccer and arena football.

by LABillsFan on Jan 14, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldnt say that couldnt be the reason… unless I missed if Shott actually said why he didnt want to coach interview here.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently he’ll be having a news conference today, so we might actually get an answer to that. But probably not.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

really? thanks. You know what time that will around?

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I really liked the idea of Bill Cowher or the Schotts coming to Buffalo but now I think we are better without them we should hire Frazier cause atleast he wants to be here and help restore this franchise Id rather have someone come here because they want to then someone coming because they didnt have a better option.

by HighRizaz19 on Jan 13, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

Screw him. Doesn’t ruin my day.

Maybe Leslie Frazier really is a mix of Landry meets Dungy. I could handle that. Mike Singletary has his back as well.

Grimm hasn’t come out and said he wouldn’t interview at all.

Harbaugh rumors are still looming as well…

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by NeverendingOptimism on Jan 13, 2010 11:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Grimm is willing to talk about it, from Tim Grahams article on B Schott

But one top assistant has agreed to an interview. Arizona Cardinals assistant head coach Russ Grimm told the Associated Press he would talk to the Bills, but probably not until the Cardinals’ postseason is over

I can live with that, just like with Rivera, if they are willing to talk but only after their teams are done, I really respect that, it means they give a crap about the teams that they are coaching.

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

As I tried to point out before Brian banned me, this team is never going to be successful, unless our owner, who I believe is the second-worst in the league after Al Davis, stops meddling with things he doesn’t know about, such as how to build a strong football team.
For once, don’t screw this up Ralph.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 13, 2010 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

If you were banned, you wouldn’t be able to post comments.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks a lot for the encouraging words (sarcasm)

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 13, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He was merely pointing out you were never banned. So quit whining. :-)

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I still don’t understand why Brian holds anything against the fact that I believe – like it or not – Ralph is indeed a clueless owner. I mean is this turning into Russia, where you can’t publically state what you want without having to expect it to be removed. And what exactly is wrong with the word ‘clueless’. I mean who in its right mind think Ralph actually knows how to build a successful football team. He doesn’t.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 13, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

If you have grievances to air, email me directly.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I for one feel Ralph DOES know what he is doing. Unfortunately, as it has been said MANY times, he has just “trusted” in the people around him too many times and he catches the bad wrap because he is the owner. His only fault in my eyes, again as its been said before by others, is he trusts in the guys around him. I ask you as I have asked Radan in another post. Did you truly feel this way in the 90’s when we were winning? 4 Str8 Superbowls isnt building a successful team? Please explain further.

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by Hambone on Jan 13, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL The Bills went to four straight Super Bowls so he must have done something right. You can disagree with that but it’s still only your opinion.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he did something right 15-20 years back. Ever since, Ralph has been clueless and has made bad move after bad move. Just sell the team Ralph and let’s move on, whether it be in Buffalo or not.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 13, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You have the benefit of hindsight. He promoted Butler after Polian left and we were treading water and going down the road to salary cap hell. Then he hires a top NFL executive with oodles of street cred and respectability. That guy and Ralph banked on two coordinators that didn’t work out and a bunch of flops at the QB position. The decisions weren’t necessarily wrong but the outcomes were.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, and as Hambone noted, Ralph trusts the people around him

Any good boss makes sure to hire people who can do their jobs, but that he can also trust to keep things running while they are gone from the office, sometimes you get that person who can do everything right and really make the business hum, sometimes you get a loyal person who does OK and nothing gets really worse, but no better, and sometimes you get a lap dog.

Ralph has had all three, and I think we might be heading towards a person whom he can trust and who can make a difference.

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

And then he goes out and becomes the laughing stock of the NFL, when he hires Marv Levy as the GM.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 14, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

And then blames it on Soviet Russia

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

huh?

I never get when posters complain about being banned by Brian as they are posting. If you are banned you wouldn’t be able to publicly complain and whine about it.

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by poz on Jan 13, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

never heard of a short term ban?

by quantumuprising on Jan 13, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on your definition of banned....maybe Time Out is more accurate ??????

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by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s no point to those, therefore they do not exist here.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a shock he just said the same thing he said last week..........

I dont see why people are upset, he never once express interest in this job……….again lets get the guy who WANTS to be here.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

again lets get the guy who WANTS to be here.

The trouble is, there is apparently only two guys in the NFL that want this job. Not exactly an exhaustive search.

Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.

by thatguy34 on Jan 13, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

well, I’m exhausted…

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Its better than overpaying for a guy who doesnt want to be here........

who would you rather have running the team? A guy who wants to be here, or a guy who took the job because they paid him the most money to be here…..and the type who will probably bail once a better offer comes along?

I’ll take the guy who wants to be here everytime………

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

who would you rather have running the team?

A guy that wants to be here, a million times over. That wasn’t my point. With only being able to interview two candidates, they really don’t get to do an exhaustive search – so they can’t compare multiple candidates against each other and pick the best fit. Maybe Frazier is the best fit – maybe he turns out to be a stellar coach. But with the number of guys turning them down, the possibility that they’ll find their best fit seems less and less likely.

Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.

by thatguy34 on Jan 13, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well it looks like to me that they are still trying to interview people........

however if people keep turning down the interview that pretty much tells me that they dont want the job

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

which goes back to my point.......

I want the guy who wants to be here……..A guy who wants to be here doesnt turn down an interview.

Simple enough I suppose.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

And I don’t just want to settle for a guy that wants to be here. I want to be the new coach of the Bills. But the likelihood of my succeeding is pretty low.

I want talented coaches to want to coach in Buffalo. I’m merely expressing my displeasure with how unattractive Buffalo has become – and pointing out that the Bills likelihood of selecting a good coach is lessened by all these declined interviews.

Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.

by thatguy34 on Jan 13, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

that may be true...........

I dunno if I was an up in coming coach I would love for a job like Buffalo……its a no lose situation………if you come in and have success you are considered a Savior……….if you dont….you’re not different than half a dozen other coaches in the league………eventually people will realize its not the coaching thats the problem with the Bills……….

Or perhaps all these people declining interviews view this job as a no-win……

I guess it all depends on the type of person these guys are.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

didnt really want him anyways

he didnt know enough to run against the bills in that fiasco where sanchez threw like 6 ints. doesnt seem like the sharpest tool int he shed in my opinion.

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by silverstreak3k on Jan 13, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

wow. the guy has no ambition. he doesn’t want to be a head coach in the nfl? then go…

by chaucer on Jan 13, 2010 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

Why are we surprised

Can you blame any of these guys, come on, our record since Butler left is putrid. We don’t draft well, we can’t find a Qb,we have a small D, we can’t stay healthy, and then there’s Ralph..We all know the negatives.
We need a guy that can overlook all that..be his own man..and get lucky

by backchk on Jan 13, 2010 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

I think it’s getting embarrasing and possibly revealing of the reputation of the franchise/owner.

by radan on Jan 13, 2010 12:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

i think its embarrassing and possibly revealing of the character of Brian Schottenheimer

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by poz on Jan 13, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is it embarrassing to him?

Because he doesn’t think he’s ready to be a head coach? Because he’s happy in the situation that he’s in right now and doesn’t think he’d be happy in Buffalo? Because he doesn’t like the opportunity in Buffalo?

You speak as if the Buffalo job is Shangri-La.

by twoeightnine on Jan 13, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

not shangri-la

but come on. there are only 32 positions available in the nfl. and the nfl is considered the top in the football world. doesnt every aspiring coach want to coach for the big boys? im surprised at turning down interviews. i was taught to always go on the interview because if nothing else, it will give you experience for interviews later. brian does want to HC someday, might as well use this interview to know what they expect from you. i dont know maybe im relating it too much to the real world, which the nfl def is not.

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by silverstreak3k on Jan 13, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

well yea, actually

if he won’t interview to be a head coach, an NFL Head Coach because the situation isn’t ideal, then yea. I do think it reveals a lot about him

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by poz on Jan 13, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly.

Most teams that are looking for a HC are teams that arent that great… So by the looks of it hes not taking it because its not an “easy” fix. And to me thats BS. Stay a coordinator if you want… because I dont want you here.

Man I hope whoever comes in here next year takes it to the Jets hard next year. I would like nothing more than a shutout over the Jets next year 8-)

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

More declines!!!!!!!!

Don’t forget Gruden,Holmgren and Rivera all declined to interview as well. What happened to the whole Brian Billick thing?

by standfast09 on Jan 13, 2010 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

Buffalo was never interested in Billick.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Which makes absolutely no sense

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 13, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Semi-agreed.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Right? Beggars can’t be choosers…

Go Bills! I mean 'stay' Bills...

by Undee on Jan 13, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

it doesnt, he is the best coach available outside Cowher right now and we don’t even interview the guy. dumb bills. we will always suck

by csc06258 on Jan 13, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don’t get it. Why the hell aren’t we at least interviewing Brian Billick? I mean what’s wrong with giving a Super Bowl-winning HC a chance at proving himself at an interview?? I simply don’t get it, especially after Nix put an emphasis on experience as a HC.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 13, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

Little Shotty=Yes; Billick=No. This just doesn’t add up…something is afoot.

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by NJBill on Jan 13, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Might be that they’ve heard something about him and his reported arrogance. That’s got to be the reason or else I don’t know…

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 13, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, he keeps waving that SB ring in everyone’s face

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

arrogance for a SB ring…sounds like a bargain. It’s certainly better than a classy and humble guy that gets you to 7-9 every year.

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by NJBill on Jan 13, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i would love a guy who is arrogant, total opposite of Dick. Who I quote, “anytime you win in this league is good, its hard to win in this league.” Yea Dick, when you don’t know how to coach and draft players it can be hard

by csc06258 on Jan 13, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The total opposite of Dick Jauron is Todd Haley. Be careful what you wish for.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

wow
The total opposite of Dick Jauron is Todd Haley

You just blew my mind. That is 100% true and I never realized it.

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by poz on Jan 13, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

because Dick Jauron could never do any of this

Had to bring it back!

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by Kurupt on Jan 14, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Rivera has said he will not interview until the Chargers are done with the Playoffs

I have a lot of respect for that, means he gives a crap about the job he is currently doing, speaks well if he comes here. He won’t pull a Lane Kiffin.

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets go Jets and Saints

This way we can really see where Grimm and Rivera stand. Rivera has said he would interview once the season is over, lets hope that is this weekend.

by billsfan69 on Jan 13, 2010 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

Go Chargers!!!

Go Bills! I mean 'stay' Bills...

by Undee on Jan 13, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Although the game against Cincy gave me some hope that he might be a good HC, nothing that he had done prior to that suggested that he was a good choice. If he had interviewed and been chosen, I suspect that many on here would be upset that we picked a mediocre OC who got the job based just on his last name. I am not upset about him, but I do hope that we find some good candidates who want to come.

by marke11 on Jan 13, 2010 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

Might be right but he won’t even talk to us and his father’s our gm’s buddy !

by radan on Jan 13, 2010 12:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Billick

He is the only real HC that has not declined yet. Of course I don’t really know if he’s been asked either.

by standfast09 on Jan 13, 2010 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

Jim Fossil wants a job!

He lost a superbowl, and so did martz. I actually wouldnt’ mind Martz, he’s exciting to watch.

by Jcrew1179 on Jan 13, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Martz looks like he should be a podiatrist.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

meh

This doesn’t really bother me.

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by sireric on Jan 13, 2010 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

Schottenheimer turning down the interview by itself, does not bother me. What bothers me is the non-stop stream of declines the Bills are getting for one of the only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL.

Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.

by thatguy34 on Jan 13, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he isn’t ready to be a HC and really does love the situation he’s in. The guy has plenty of time. It seems like people are reading too much into this. If he jumps at a HC oppurtunity somewhere else this offseason, then ok, I can understand the disappointment, but from the reports I’ve read, he is really happy where he is.

by TJJ on Jan 13, 2010 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

I totally agree with you… maybe he just isn’t ready to take that next step. Obviously he’d never admit that, so we’ll never know, but I’d rather not have a head coach that took the job just because it was a promotion than someone that truly wants it and is ready for the challenge.

by Aaron on Jan 13, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian,

Can you write up an article comparing Frazier and Fewell? They seem to be pretty similar, defensive minds, very motivated, high integrity, both minorities, etc.

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by Sluss88 on Jan 13, 2010 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

That’d be a boring article. They are similar in the manners you mention, but Frazier is MUCH more well-respected around the league as a former player and as a coach, and he’d be able to assemble a much more attractive coaching staff than Fewell would.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

leslie vs perry. sounds like a slapfest.

by quantumuprising on Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

So basically we are down to a boring decision... :-(

They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
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by Sluss88 on Jan 13, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be interested in that article

What would be boring about an article comparing/contrasting the only two guys who have confirmed interviews with the Bills at this point?

by StroudFanClub on Jan 13, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re right, but that doesn’t say much, does it?

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 13, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

How 'bout...

Frazier as HC… Perry as Assistant HC, and DC….????
I could really like that in fact…

by Cinga on Jan 13, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

and Jauron as DB coach! Yikes?

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Bring

Charlie Romes out of retirement… Now that was a heck of a DB… Jeff Nixon as assistant…

by Cinga on Jan 13, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Any report on Rivera being worked up?

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

My goodness… so much neurotic reaction to this news.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

can you blame us?

we’re Bills fans!

I kid. I think it’s the uncertainty playing out more than anything else (says the armchair psychologist)

by LABillsFan on Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if USC fans

were as neurotic. What is Kiffin? Choice #7?

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Getting there quickly

1. Gruden, 2. Shanahan 3. Cowher, 4. Marty, 5. Holmgren, 6. Brian Schotty… w/ Grimm and Rivera still possible additions.

At this rate, we have have EIGHT rejections before we settle on Fraizer.

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 13, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

what about the whole "The bills found their guy" articles......

if they found their guy already who cares if these guys keep turning us down.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

but what if he went into hiding? and now we can’t find him?

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

And that means they found their guy after just two interviews

And it’s either Fewell or Fraizer, both who represent continuation of no offensive experience and a crap cover-2 defense (and please spare me the “Minnesota has a different, bigger cover 2” argument until someone can show me how Buffalo can land the Jarad Allen, Pat Williams and Kyle Williams on their D-line).

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 13, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

So basically anything you can quantify and compare doesn't matter

And only the intangible, personality traits matters, which, is absolutely subjective and doesn’t lend itself well to concrete comparisons? So frustrating!

by StroudFanClub on Jan 13, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Basically, yes. Comparisons aren’t a bad thing when comparing candidates, obviously, but once a hire is made, 95% of the relevant data from those comparisons don’t really matter anymore. From that point, the only thing that matters is results.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this.

From that point, the only thing that matters is results.

But just because that is true, doesn’t mean that we should stop looking for tangible ways to figure out how to best determine which candidate would have the most success with our football team prior to hiring.

But to further agree with Brian, how does anyone know for sure that the 3-4 is def more effective than the 4-3? I would like to see statistics in this case.

by StroudFanClub on Jan 13, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

there arent any stats of 3-4 defense being better than 4-3........

its just that everyone thinks the 3-4 defense is the greatest because of Pittsburg and the Jets and other teams that have success running it….

They just automatically assume its the best defense………but its about players…….not scheme…….

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

"but its about players…….not scheme……."

LOL! Thank you!

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by Fort Worth on Jan 13, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Results

In general, it’s really too bad that so many people are result-oriented. Look beyond the results and what do your eyes tell you? If I had to pick, I would rather support a team that plays well and loses rather than a team that plays poor and wins. Why? If you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse. I would rather support a team that is playing better and on the rise. To me, it’s more about process than results. If you do things the right way, the results will come.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 13, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

for the bolded part.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

How does it go?
I’d rather be lucky than good. Yes, that’s it.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 14, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Brian's starting to crack........

lol

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

So... Brian...

What, exactly are you trying to say????

by Cinga on Jan 13, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m probably going to be forced to say this until the day I die, but none of the scheme, stat, unit success stuff matters

Because saying it doesn’t make it the truth, just your opnion. I happen to whole-heartedly disagree. Motivation, game management, etc. all matter, but in a constatly evolving league, schemes matter just as much.

A base defense like the 3-4 (and no, it’s not the be all, end all – just an example) has survived for decades. In my opinion, the cover-2 is going the way of the 46 defense. Only a small handfull of teams still run it and that number dwindles every season. It doesn’t work in today’s NFL – at least not on a consistant basis. Yes you have your outliers or exceptions (Tampa back in the day, Chicago a few years ago, Minnesota today), but for the most part, NFL teams have figured it out.

That’s my main opposition to Fraizer and Fewell. In addition, neither has the connections or coaching trees necessary to bring in a proven offensive mind to fix a unit that has been an embarrasment for over a decade. That’s a real probably.

Fraizer may be one heck of a head coach, but from my knowledge of football and the present history of the Buffalo Bills, I wouldn’t bet on it.

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 13, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

in a constatly evolving league, schemes matter just as much.

Right. All Brian is saying is that the DC is the guy that puts those schemes into place.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m saying that Frazier might be the type of coach to let his coordinators do that, yes.

Put it this way: he’s not Josh McDaniels, who is a my-scheme-or-the-highway guy. Same with Shanahan. Other coaches, like Belichick, let their coordinators tweak, because you can win with any well-executed scheme in this league.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Like Belichek letting Charlie Weis do virtually whatever he wants on the offense with Tom Brady. Or Tom Moore in Indy under Dungy. Coordinators are the ones there to implement the scheme and if you trust them and they are good at their job, you should be hands off.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Head coaches pick coordinators who fit their scheme

Some head coaches, as you and Brian point out, let their coordinators run the scheme they desire. Others, either pick guys that run the scheme they want (Jauron picking Fewell is the easy example) or force a coordinator to run a certain scheme.

I would be okay if Fraizer picked a coordinator that ran a blizting 4-3 or 3-4, I just wouldn’t bet on that happening. Generally, the team’s schemes reflect the football ideology of the head coach, not the coordinators.

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 13, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be okay if Fraizer picked a coordinator that ran a blizting 4-3 or 3-4, I just wouldn’t bet on that happening.

Why not? He came up through the Eagles organization watching Jim Johnson do it.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Not always. Mike Tomlin is still running a 3-4 in Pittsburgh. Raheem Morris went with Jim Bates and switched to more of a man coverage 4-3, which bombed and now he’s headed back to the cover 2. Head coaches don’t always hire guys to run “their” scheme.

I’d guess that Buffalo’s defense stays zone heavy, but Frazier has never been opposed to blitzing in Minny.

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by kaisertown on Jan 13, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Dick LeBeau was long-established in Pittsburgh. It’s not saying a whole lot – and I disagree with John here.

Brian Billick kept Marvin Lewis in place in Baltimore because he was established. That’s not happening in Buffalo.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

plus

you will not find a better motivator than Dick Jauron as much people don’t want to admit it. His teams always gave maximum effort. What I want in a new coach is someone who has experience, understands personnel, and has the leadership and innovation to use the Buffalo resources to maximize the potential for success..

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by MARVelous on Jan 13, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

This is not exactly true

All of these defenses ebb-and-flow with variations over time, some generated by coaches adjusting to great players, but also as counters to offensive innovation. Each defense has best “the best” at some point over time.

The base 3-4 defense was designed in the ’40’s at OU but wasn’t used in the NFL until Miami used in in 1972, but is was more a hybrid defense than a true 3-4. The 3-4 became the defense of choice in the late 1970’s and into the 1980’s, particularly with the Giants’ use of Lawrence Taylor and the Niners’ use of Fred Dean. The defense wanned in the ’90’s, as teams saw teams winning with fast-flowing 4-3 defenses used by Dallas, Minnesota, and Tampa Bay. In the late 1990’s only two teams ran a 3-4 defense: Pittsburgh and Buffalo. The defense re-emerged with use by the Patriots and the ease of finding small college DE’s to fill the OLB roles, despite the difficulty in finding true NT’s to man the scheme. The blitz packages are extensive and have been the most successful recently in countering spread and Coryall offenses.

The 4-3 was designed in the ’50’s by the NY Giants. It was supposedly designed by then Defensive Coordinator Tom Landry to stop Jim Brown. The defense was the defense of choice through the 1960’s and into the 1970’s, and faded in the late ’70’s and into the 1980’s. The defense re-emerged with the success of Jimmy Johnson, who used a one-gap fast-flowing 4-3 defense with the Dallas Cowboys. Scouts also found it easier to find smaller DT’s and LB’s who could run and fit the scheme. When Tony Dungy took over the Bucanneers, it solidified this trend to the point where 30 of 32 NFL teams ran a 4-3 defense in the late 1990’s. The defense wanned as passing attacks became more complex and dependant on the spread formation, as the 4-3 had lesser blitz variation to confuse an offense.

The Tampa 2 began with the Steelers Steel Curtain defense in the 1970’s. The defense was run exclusively by the Steelers until Dungy took over as the Defensive Coordinator for the Vikings in the early 1990’s. He brought the defense with him to Tampa Bay and later Indianapolis. It shared the some of the same principles as Jimmy Johnson’s defense, but was also much simpler, as the defense played the same way every snap. The scheme began to flame out when Peyton Manning exposed it the year after Tampa’s Super Bowl win, as the defense is limited in the amount of variations that it can use during the game. The scheme also became harder to draft for as offenses got more complex, as a defense that runs a vanilla scheme needs tremendous athletes across its front seven.

The 46 defense began with the Bears in the ’80’s under Buddy Ryan. It quickly flamed out as the scheme was very vulnerable without a defensive front seven full of stars, with only the Eagles using the defense by the ’90’s. It re-emerged in a different form later in the decade. Many concepts survived: the SLB as a stand-up DE-type, the two DT’s and one DE covering the center and both guards, and a SS that plays in the box. This form of the defense was highly successful in the NFL in the late 1990’s and through the past decade, with the Giants’ Super Bowl win being the culmination of the 46 re-emergence. The Eagles, Titans, Bills, Saints, and Lions have run this defense the past decade, with the first three teams mentioned having near-NFL best defenses at various points. The main reason for the success of this defense is that it offers near-equal blitz variations as a 3-4 defense, and it’s easier to draft for than a traditional or Tampa 2 variation of the 4-3. In this defense, the DT’s are big space eaters but not NT types, the WDE and SLB are edge rushers, the SDE is a 5-technique DE, the MLB and WLB are smaller LB’s, and the SS is a SS-LB hybrid; all of these types of players are common in the college ranks. This form of defense is also more reliant on scheme and less on star players when compared to a Tampa 2 or traditional 4-3 defense.

Brian is right, and so is Fort Worth. Any defense with the right coordinator and proper players will work. The 3-4 was once a dead defense… now it thrives. Same with every other defense on this list. There’s no one “best” defense.

by Der Jaeger on Jan 13, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

You do a great job of explaining the origin and history of these defenses, but you also do a good job of explaining (although, I think you do it unintentionally) my point that the cover-2 is a dying breed. It may have been created in the 70’s, but it did not become a base defense until the mid 90’s. Just like the 46, it started being used as a package before it became a base defense. It was successful as a base defense for about a decade and is now solely regulated to sub-package duty. The cover-2 peaked over the last decade and I would bet a good amount of money that it goes the way of the 46 defense within the next ten years.

I love the cover-2, the same as I love Buddy Ryan’s defense, but both are better suited to be supplemental to a defenses where you can have more variety (whether it be the 4-3 or 3-4), than base defenses in-and-of themselves. As you stated, the cover-2 is too simple. Offenses have become increasingly complex. Simply put, O-coordinators have figured it out.

Any defense with the right coordinator and proper players will work.

One of the biggest problems with the cover-2 is that it’s near impossible to find the right players to make it dominate. For the cover-2 to work properly, you need defensive tackles to be both quick/penetrating (which usually means smaller DTs), but strong enough to stop the run (which usually means bigger NT types). Unless you can find freakish athletes along the lines of Warren Sapp or Tommy Harris, the defense is fatally flawed up the middle.

In the end, the cover-2 puts too much pressure on the front four to create pressure. If teams try to blitz from the back seven, they create a hole in the zone that good quarterbacks are able to exploit. Unfortunately, there is no way to counter this expect have a front four that is good enough on their own to create pressure on a consistent basis. And yes, every defense has their flaws (namely finding a NT to run the 3-4 defense), but there is a reason why that defense has been around for over half a century and the cover-2, as a base defense, is already dying out after it’s first decade.

Players and coaches are important, but so are schemes. In a constantly evolving league, having an inferior scheme is just as detrimental as having a lack of talent or someone like Dick Jauron as your coach.

Buffalo needs to move away from the cover-2 and I don’t support any coaching candidate that will continue that defense here.

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 13, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Questions

If you’re saying that it’s hard to find players to adequately man a Tampa-2 defense, I’m right with you.

Are you saying that the 46 defense that’s being used now is a sub-package? If you are, that’s incorrect. Phily, Tennessee, Detroit, St. Louis, and the Giants use the re-emerged 46 as their base defense. It’s a re-emerged defense.

But everything evolves. Someone with tweek the Tampa 2 and it will come around again to counter offensive innovation. None of these defenses will every “die” completely. They will evolve and change. Just like the Bullough version of the 3-4 defense “died” in the late 1990’s, but re-emerged with the Patriots. They just added a huge NT, a la Pittsburgh.

And because of this, no defensive scheme is ever permenently superior. You can already see the vulnerabilities of the 3-4 when a Wildcat offense is run at it.

The NFL isn’t Darwin…. things don’t die, they fade and then come back stronger with a variation.

by Der Jaeger on Jan 14, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Well stated Brian. I very much agree!!

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by Hambone on Jan 13, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn right Brian

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

If Minnesota's defense is crap...

then sign me up for a truck-load of crap!

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by willgarr15 on Jan 13, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

give me your address....I will deliver it myself :-)

and you totally missed his point.

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by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Well,

We already have Kyle Williams, & had Pat Williams until somebody made a dumb decision to let him go in s “salary cap” move. So we were already 2/3 the way there.

by billskk69 on Jan 14, 2010 7:32 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a prime example why all these rumors

shouldn’t be taken as statements-of-fact. These so-called experts are on ESPN, CBS, NFL Network, etc., don’t know any more than anybody here – that has been proven in the last few weeks. If “the Bills found their guy,” why are we still interviewing?

At this point, it’s crazy to get upset about anything until Nix names his coach. What a circus!!!!

by ccthemovieman on Jan 13, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

at least the are asking other people

and not hiring the first person that “blows them away”. wasnt that a complaint by many on here too? dang if you danged if you dont…

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by silverstreak3k on Jan 13, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You can't really compare USC getting turned down and the Bills getting turned down

USC is a college football team, getting turned down by active head coaches in the NFL such as Jack Del Rio and Jeff Fisher (reportedly).

Buffalo Bills have an NFL head coaching position open and are getting turned down by non-head coaches from other NFL staffs and retired coaches.

There’s no shame in USC not being able to lure current NFL head coaches to come head coach a college football team.

by StroudFanClub on Jan 13, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

its okay I'm still here........

I shall be a beacon for the mentally stable………..

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

OK.....

But where’s MY beacon????

by Cinga on Jan 13, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Did somebody say bacon?

Oh damn

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by Kurupt on Jan 13, 2010 1:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i was waiting for that connection lol

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Neurotic -

A person prone to excessive anxiety and emotional upset… I think you hit that one on the head.

I want to have Buddy Nix's baby.

by taskersd on Jan 13, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just

at a loss….just when you feel you can’t get any lower to be a Bills fan….No one wants to come, no one wants to rebuild. It really makes you wonder if Buddy Nix hiring was a detriment to the appeal of HC job in Buffalo. And if we are this made, imagine how Ralph feels

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by MARVelous on Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

is he really that good of a coach? ....

i just dont think hes the big splash people expected , and while it doent seem we’re gonna get a big name , i just dont see what the big deal is…the jets werent a great offensive team, theyve got a good line and a solid running back, but they had that last year as well. he couldnt help sanchez in his first year and while he is stilla rookie we dont exactly have a reliable quarterback either….but i guess its gonna be frazier or harbaugh by default. i just hope whoever we get makes a difference….big name , small name, college coach or coordinator, whoever we bring in has to make a difference .because if the bills dont get it together soon we will not be in buffalo too much longer

by buffalo bennie on Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

Good point, I was excited about the idea of the father son combo, but with Marty being out of the picture I’m definitely ok with this.

by TJJ on Jan 13, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he feels that the Jets are for real

If he truly believes that the Jets have a legitimite chance at a ring in the next few years, this kinda makes sense. Get a ring and more experience and after winning a Ring then look for a HC gig, he will still be young at 39-40

Nothing left to say...

by keysh67 on Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

or we aren’t

"If you're happy, stay happy" - Mike Riley

by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s a given!

Nothing left to say...

by keysh67 on Jan 13, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Frasier may not be leader in the clubhouse

but rather leader by default

"If you're happy, stay happy" - Mike Riley

by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

Buddy better roll out that carpet for Grimm

Pull out the stops Buddy, please!

Tell Grimm that he can have Smitter’s parking spot and that he can spend what ever he wants (within reason of course) on free agents, just make sure he agrees to the job! Tell him that he can bring back the steel curtain and run some smash mouth football and that the fans will adore him!

Nothing left to say...

by keysh67 on Jan 13, 2010 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

then Ralph

will tell him, forget what Buddy told you..

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we are close to the point where we just assume Leslie Frazier will be the next coach of the Bills. And I’m actually kind of happy about that. At least he wants the job. Going into the process I would say that “wanting the job” was pretty low on my list of qualifications but it seems to have shot to the top of the list. At this point the only coach more qualified than Frazier that hasn’t already declined is Dick Jauron.

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by PerryTuttle22 on Jan 13, 2010 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

I find the silence might be an indication

that something might be brewing behind the scenes in regards to Jim Harbaugh. Obviously he prefers not being mentiononed while he is recruiting but I find it quite odd that he name has not come up at all

Nothing left to say...

by keysh67 on Jan 13, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

we

have no evidence to believe in anything going on behind the scenes. In fact that there is so little news, means that I think OBD has no clue where to turn next. Maybe you throw money at Jimmy Johnson, MIke Ditka, etc and just go for the marketing play at this point.

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by MARVelous on Jan 13, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Revised list

Would have been happy or at at least okay with (in no particular order):

Cowher
Marty
Gruden
Shanahan
Holmgren
B. Schotty
Harbaugh
Grimm

Would be disappointed with:
Fraizer
Fewell

Somewhere in between the two groups:
Rivera

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 13, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

i feel ya

I don’t know why they don’t give Billick a look….

I would even have been happier with Jim Haslett

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by MARVelous on Jan 13, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you elaborate on why you would be happy with B Shott and disappointed with Fraizer or Fewell?

by TJJ on Jan 13, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I assume because of the O vs D argument.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

No...

See above

1. Cover-2 defense
2. No evidence that they have the connections, coaching trees to find and bring in a guy that can turn around the offense

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 13, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, there is evidence on that front. It’s been widely reported that the first person Frazier would go after to be offensive coordinator is Al Saunders, one of the most decorated play-callers of the past decade.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

A toned down Saunders might work

But if he brings his 20,000 page playbook that is too complicated and intricate, especially if we have a rookie QB, then he’s not so appealing.

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by Kurupt on Jan 13, 2010 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I haven't heard the Saunders connection

I’ve heard other names, but not Saudners. Generally, I like Saunders, but I don’t know if I want that style of offense in Buffalo (I’m a Martyball kinda guy – power football).

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by jri111 on Jan 13, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought you said Chris Palmer before. Palmer also has tons of experience.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think I’d actually prefer Palmer to Saunders.

Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.

by thatguy34 on Jan 13, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I know it's not your intention,

and I’m only saying this to be funny, but it looks like your list is

Would be happy with:
White guys
Disappointed with:
Black guys
In between:
Non-white, Non-black guys.

by Boogie on Jan 13, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

can I just

say this…Dick Jauron and Leslie Frazier have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much in common.

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by MARVelous on Jan 13, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Like?

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Being former defensive backs in the NFL? Being mild-mannered coaches? Also add another loser to that list: Tony Dungy

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by willgarr15 on Jan 13, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. Real loser, that guy.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Sarcasm much Brian? lol

But the man had the greatest QB of his generation,the best GM of his generation,and 1 of the greatest offensive minds of his generation working for him. And he has 1 superbowl to show for it. He’s not a loser but he probably should have won at least 3 superbowl’s with those teams. Admittedly though I would kill for that kind of underacheiving from the Bills. But it was still underacheiving.

by mob16151 on Jan 13, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you seen how difficult it is to win a Super Bowl? Buffalo went to 4 in a row and found a way to tank in 2.5 of them. To say Dungy should have won 3 Super Bowls is crazy. Nothing’s a given.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha, nice catch.

by TJJ on Jan 13, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

lol...........

nice

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, tha'ts it, racism

Always boils down to that no matter how much it doesn’t fit. I know you said you were joking, but probably a joke that shouldn’t have been made.

I don’t like Fewell or Fraizer for two main reasons:

1. Cover-2 defense
2. No evidence that they have the connections, coaching trees to find and bring in a guy that can turn around the offense

Rivera is different because he doesn’t run the cover-2, but I’m still concerned about number 2. Brian Schotty, makes the “okay” list for two reason:
1. He’s an offensive guy that runs a modern version of Martyball (style of football that I love!)
2. His father was hands down my number one choice, so the heritage helps.

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by jri111 on Jan 13, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Rivera ran the Cover 2 in Chicago, and he turned Wade’s 3-4 defense into a hybrid look with lots of zone in SD.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why Rivera is on the fence.

He ran the cover-2, but he has experience in other defenses as well. I actually like the cover-2 quite a bit, but as an supplement to a more traditional 4-3 or 3-4, not as the base defense. Rivera has shown that he is not just limited to the cover 2.

That’s why he’s in the middle right now, I think I can be persuaded either way about him.

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 13, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Why shouldn’t the joke have been made? Who exactly have I offended?

by Boogie on Jan 13, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t worry, I think the joke was pretty funny and in no way hateful.

by IronEagle119 on Jan 13, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I thought it was funny

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by willgarr15 on Jan 13, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Add Billick to your list.

by csc06258 on Jan 13, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Indirectly, Brian Schottenheimer is raising his profile by turning down the interview.

And if Harbaugh was going to be a possibility I think it would have happened by now (like Carroll’s hiring was sudden).

If Frazier is the choice I’m not going to be disappointed (depending on coaches to a certain expense), but it is disappointing that so many potential candidates aren’t interested. I understand why, but it’s still disappointing.

by Pistol on Jan 13, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Indirectly, Brian Schottenheimer is raising his profile by turning down the interview.

I’d love to hear an explanation on that one.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

rumors that Buff already has their man in mind (Frazier?) If that’s the case, Schott knows he’s getting the interview invite as part of a due diligence, not a genuine interest.

schott turns down the interview knowing its a show anyway, but gets the press for turning Buffalo down. that makes others interested because they think, “hm, what is it about this guy that he thinks he’s so cool? He must be cool.”

dating psychology, dude.

by oompaloompa on Jan 13, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Well the guy running the search is good friends with his pops and he had to know it wasn’t a sham interview. They called him the second he was available to be called.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s say Shottenheimer was getting an interview because of the “Oompaloompa Rule.” =)

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d love to hear an explanation on that one.

Similar to what oompaloompa said (although I think the Bills interest is sincere).

Of course, that can backfire too as Jason Garrett might have shown a couple years ago.

by Pistol on Jan 13, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don´t get the Bills not wanting Billick, he´s a great coach. My other best 2 options are Harbaugh and Jason Garrett.
Garrett has a great offensive mentality, which is exactly what the Bills need.

by rick p on Jan 13, 2010 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

BG is correct!

CEO type personality is what the coach needs to be! I gotta feeling this may even unite us once all is said and done into a fan base that goes into next season in FU MODE ala the Patriots post spygate… yea we don’t have the talent yet to rip off an almost undefeated season but if it can morph into an ‘us against all these arrogant pri*** that turned their noses up at us and said they are too good for us when in relaity they just don’t have the stones to be the guy to come in and right the ship’ type of mentality and the Bills play with a chip on their shoulder cuz the new coach also has a chip on his shoulder. Okay I’m good for now hopefully you followed that…

by jmkney on Jan 13, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

Should we really be upset about this?

Big deal, Brian Schottenheimer turned us down. Many people didn’t want him anyhow.

The guy didn’t want the job here or maybe a HC job in general right now. Why get mad about it? If the guy doesn’t even want to go through the interview process to better himself for future jobs, that’s on him. Its not like he’s interviewing elsewhere and came out and said the Bills’ job is the black widow of HC positions. Turning down the interview completely leads me to believe he has no interest in ANY HC position this year. Move on!!

Guys will interview here still, even if they aren’t super attracted to it. See Shanahan. But when a guy says no to an interview, its usually not completely the desirability of the job….

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by Kurupt on Jan 13, 2010 1:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions   3 recs

Well, everyone’s got an opinion.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the point in my conversation where I re-iterate that Tim Graham is a d-bag.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 14, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Completely agree. Rec’d

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by kaisertown on Jan 13, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Good points

Nix has really grown on me, and I think he’s going to make the right choice.

I disagree with Graham. The Buffalo job isn’t blacklisted. Schottenheimer is having fun working for Ryan. Shanahan interviewed here, and so did Cowher, supposedly (stealthily).

So long as we don’t interview just two guys, Nix will make a sound choice.

by Der Jaeger on Jan 13, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

it's kind of ironic

Nix keeps getting Nixed

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

dissed

by the average looking girl at the bar.

“What makes you think you’re better than me?!”

this kind of stings.

by oompaloompa on Jan 13, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

Brian Billick?

Why hasn’t Buffalo contacted Brian Billick?

Besides his ego…

by RIP058 on Jan 13, 2010 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

Has there ever been an NFL without a head coach? If not we might be looking that way for the ’10 Bills.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

NFL team***

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

We need a player coach, Jackson for HC!!! He can already do it all!

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

some reason

First, the Bills have stated they are going to do an exhaustive search. They are doing due diligence. With the only opening in the NFL, they have the right to do that. So let’s not freak out too much. If Buddy Nix is really in charge and allowed to do his due diligence, that is fine. He’s only been on the job for 14 days. I believe in Nix that he understands what’s important in a HC, and time is not of the essence. There are many coordinators we can still interview. Just get used to it may be a week to 3 before we find out who the next HC is

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by MARVelous on Jan 13, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

it's entertaining to see all the conjecture

but we won’t have a coach until after the Super Bowl

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Why this angers me even though I didn't want B. Schott in the 1st place

To request an interview with B. Schott, I’m guessing that management took some time to research this guy and concluded that he’s desirable enough to give an interview to. You can say “I don’t want someone who doesn’t want to be here”, but we only know he doesn’t want to be here because he’s not even interested in hearing about what the Bills have to offer!

Main point: Options are never a bad thing. Right now, the Bills are being limited in their options of Head Coaching candidates for whatever reason.

Plus, as Tim Graham’s article can attest to, people turning down interviews can lead others to see the position as “undesirable”, even if that may not be the case. And once a stigma like that is built, it can be difficult to get rid of, even if it’s not the truth.

Example: If I claimed someone had Herpes, even though they really didn’t, that will have some effect on their sex life, right? Potential mates would always have this in their head, right or wrong, and it would most def come into play. (that’s right, I just compared Buffalo Bills undesirability of their HC position to herpes!)

by StroudFanClub on Jan 13, 2010 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

MIke Nolan

I’ve seen his name mentioned a few times. He has HC experience (while not very successful) and has done wonders in just a year with the Bronco’s D. I can’t believe we aren’t even trying to interview him.

Maybe, since they are out of the playoffs and the Bills didn’t need to seek permission to interview, he also turned us down. It isn’t public knowledge though, since permission wasn’t required.

by Slick Shifty on Jan 13, 2010 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

Nolan= NFL SUICIDE

I have been a loyal Bills fan living in Nashville, TN for years. If MIKE NOLAN is brought in as the head coach, I will consider that the “final straw” and thousands of dollars in Bills merchandise and apparel will go right into the fireplace, and I will just have to “neuter” myself and try and force myself to root for the Titans, or just give up on caring about the NFL altogether, which is actually probably easier than ever rooting for the Titans. Luther from the show “Coach” would be a better option than Mike Nolan.

by Caleb R on Jan 13, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll never forget when he and Dauber had to lick melting chocolate off a TV. I miss that show. I miss life before reality TV.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes I see it on at like 6am on Saturdays

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by Kurupt on Jan 14, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

haha funny you guys mention that show. I watched it for the first time in yeaaars tuesday morning, pretty early but I cant remember what channel.

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by bflo on Jan 14, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure you’ll find it in yourself to spare your testicles should the Bills hire Mike Nolan.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But if you can't

Please post it to youtube. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee

by mob16151 on Jan 13, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I get that you don’t like Nolan, but why?

by Slick Shifty on Jan 13, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

why I don't like Mike Nolan....

As a rule, head coaches that were largely medicore in one spot in their first run as a HC, are still mediocre if given another chance. However, they must have obviously displayed SOMETHING that gave a second team the idea that “maybe this guy deserves another shot”. There was a medicore coach in the early 2000’s, not unlike what I speak of, that was really not a good coach, but managed to pull a 13-3 season out of his a$$ before eventually losing his job. That 13-3 convinced SOMEONE (cough cough) to give him another shot. That boring, uninspiring, zombie of a coach was fired by the Buffalo Bills in the middle of this season after another boring, uninspiring, failed effort..

Mike Nolan is back to being a defensive coordinator, which is what he SHOULD be. He is not head coaching material. I think everyone is fooled by the suit!

by Caleb R on Jan 13, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Bellicheck

fail in Cleveland his first time around?

by LABillsFan on Jan 13, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes. Yes he did.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 14, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

question - on the subject of Perry Fewell

If he is a qualified and desireable (to some) candidate, why is he still unemployed? There have been several DC hirings of late. He wasn’t even second choice apparently. He had a couple interviews (none for HC) scheduled, then his name evaporated (except here).
Why didn’t teams fall over each other to grab him? I don’t see that as a good sign and IMO it should reduce the choices (so far) to one. And, that one doesn’t thrill me either.

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

He will return to Chicago

by RIP058 on Jan 13, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

did I miss that or are you speculating

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He is going to become the next DC for Chicago in the likely event we don’t hire him, but his friend Lovie Smith is holding off on appointing him to give him a chance to stay in the running for our HC job.

by Macktruck on Jan 13, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe

as sophisticated as things are, that the owner of the Bears, would allow the position to remain open until possibly after the Super Bowl. You put a whole franchise in neutral waiting for one guty to maybe get another job elswhere foregoing viable, talented options?

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s still unemployed because he’s waiting for the Bills to definitively tell them he’s not their choice at HC. Why wouldn’t he want concrete word before taking a lesser job?

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

but see my comment above. I can’t believe the Bears would wait, too.

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

What's the rush???

Are they playing this weekend???

by Cinga on Jan 13, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

of course not

but other viable candidates are landing elsewhere: Haslett, Crennel et al. Do you think it’s good business to let people pass by while one person waits to get a job somewhere else? If you were the boss, wouldn’t you say, “look do you want to be here or not?”

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Chances are...

Lovie’s got his guy… What does it hurt to let him wait on the Bills decision??? Heck, with Frazier’s Vikings contract about to expire, he could possibly have his pick, or whichever we leave him…

by Cinga on Jan 13, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

They won’t wait. It’s at Fewell’s risk and discretion to wait on Buffalo.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed - that's my point

bq.He is going to become the next DC for Chicago in the likely event we don’t hire him, but his friend Lovie Smith is holding off on appointing him to give him a chance to stay in the running for our HC job.

I was responding to Macktruck’s comment stating they are holding off.

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He does have one thing going for him in that there isn’t a lot of turnover this year at DC positions. Giants, Redskins, Seahawks (where Carroll might bring a college assistant anyways), Buffalo, and Chicago are it. Normally there’s gotta be ten or so open, right?

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget Harbaugh

As Mark Gaughn keeps reminding us, we know absolutely NOTHING about the status of Jim Harbaugh, who was supposedly high on Buddy Nix’s list. Harbaugh may very well have already interviewed for the position, but if so that would have to be kept completely confidential because of his situation at Stanford.. If he is in fact interested, we won’t likely get any word of it until the announcement he is hired. I know there have been reports in the press that Harbaugh isn’t interested, but they are 100% unreliable at this point. No one knows anything definitive about this right now except Harbaugh himself and the Bills.

by Macktruck on Jan 13, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

I'll Say

Like many Bills fans, I’m just frustrated that “our team” is so disrespected by everyone around the league. From the prospective coordinators and coaches, media, and other fans… its like Buffalo is just a big “small market” joke. I will say one thing to the coach that ends up taking this job. He’s going to get the support of the most loyal fan base in the NFL, and if he does manage to find a way to win and turn this thing around, he will be celebrated more then any team from New Jersey, Texas, or Pennsylvania ever could… in my opinion.

by S2 on Jan 13, 2010 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

At this point, Russ Grimm is my clear-cut favorite for this job. I think it would make a great deal of sense, but it wouldn’t surprise me one bit, if he, too, turned this opportunity down. I mean who wants to work for Ralph Wilson – a meddle-some owner, who’s 91 and has not made any plans to keep the team in Buffalo, when he dies.
If we do – by some miracle – land Grimm, I think it would be a very good hire and one that makes a lot of sense, but again I think he would be smart to wait out for a more attractive team than the Bills.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 13, 2010 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

Who wants to work for Dan Snyder? He’s a meddlesome owner and has no succession plan in place if he died.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

there’s quite a difference in that financial situation. Anyone who wanted to buy the redskins would have to deal with the price of the redskins in the (very unlikely) event that snyder dies anytime soon.

In the (very likely) event that our 91 year old owner dies sometime soon, and he isn’t leaving the team to his wife, someone will have to deal with the cost of the franchise, plus the cost of a new stadium. The team going to the highest bidder means that its extremely doubtful that anyone from buffalo would be able to keep the team here. On top of that, what many around the league view as a necessity (a new stadium) means that any ownership bid would have to pony up another half billion or so dollars. That almost guarantees (even though we hold out hope) that if our owner dies, the team is plunged into turmoil and will change locations, which is a large upset for a coach.

by quantumuprising on Jan 13, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with a lot of what you said but I don’t think every owner that comes in is going to demand a new stadium.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s your non-existing point? If you’re truly comparing Dan Snyder with old Ralph Wilson, you don’t know much about this league, which I know you do. Dan is the polar opposite of Ralph, who has learned not to meddle (see Shanahan hire) and why would he need a succession plan. The guy is young and the Redskins is besides the Cowboys probably the safest franchise to stay in its current city in the league.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 14, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry, wanted to reply on your first comment above. my bad

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 14, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Man you are just trying to pick a fight now. You can make your point without saying someone “doesn’t know much about this league.” It’s an immediate turnoff and if I wasn’t used to putting up with BS all day at my job I’d just ignore your comment after that.

How has Dan Snyder demonstrated that he’s the polar opposite of Ralph Wilson? He hired Shanahan… That happened a week and a half ago. So you’re saying you draw a conclusion from one move? Until three weeks ago Snyder had never had a GM after firing Charlie Casserly in 1999. He wasn’t meddlseome because he had nobody under him to meddle because he was the one making the picks.

And your comment was about Ralph being meddlesome and not having a succession plan. Those are also facts about Dan Snyder. The difference is Snyder isn’t 91. That doesn’t mean the Redskins are any more stable than the Bills if Snyder were to pass away.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 14, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the point about a succession plan isn’t really about the ability of the team to stay in that city. Wilson is 91 years old and it’s not unrealistic to think that he could die this season, have the team be sold by 2011 and have a new owner come in and decide he wants to bring in somebody other than Nix and the new coach. They could be doing a good job and still lose those jobs because a new owner wants somebody else. That’s the problem of not having a succession plan (which doesn’t make their jobs much safer anyways).

And Dan Snyder literally mandates that his team signs or drafts certain players. There is nothing more meddlesome than Dan Snyder demanding his team sign Albert Haynesworth or Jerry Jones forcing his guys to draft Felix Jones. How much meddling does Ralph really do? I guess he’s made decisions on the starting QB before, but I think that’s pretty common. Bud Adams did that with Vince Young this year, but nobody would think that was a bad job if it opened up.

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by kaisertown on Jan 14, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

At this point i dont care if we hire Bill Cowher, Bill Stewart, Bill Walton, Marty Shott, Brian Shott, Grandma Shott, etc. I just want an HC with HIS coordinators that WANTS to be here. And WANTS to turn this franchise around. If you dont even want to interview for the job then to hell with you, or if youre keeping us in the dark by not saying anything at all (Cowher) then to hell with you too.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

What about Marge Schott?

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by Kurupt on Jan 14, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Billick--Fassel-Frazier

If the Bills bring in Billick why not Jim Fassel for an interview.

Leslie Frazier might not be the fans favorite choice but either was Tony Dungy when he was hired by the Bucs. Dungy was the 2nd or 3rd choice of the Bucs and had been passed over by four other NFL teams for a HC position.

Frazier has worked under Dungy with the Colts and has been DC with the Bengals & Vikings and also worked under Andy Reid & the late DC Jim Johnson. He has proved himself every where he has worked.

He may get the job by default but he has the credentials and he wants the opportunity to be a HC like Tony Dungy did. I would have no problem with him eventually getting the job, instead of one of the men that show no interest or straddle the fence—-1 day they don’t want to be bother the next day they might grant the Bills an interview!! Thanks but NO Thanks!!!

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by Goose22 on Jan 13, 2010 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

If nothing else, this is one more reason to hate the Jets.

Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.

by thatguy34 on Jan 13, 2010 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

One point that I don't think anybody has considered.

Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but do you think that Brian Schottenheimer declined the interview because he didn’t want his dad’s well known relationship with the GM to make it look as though that is the only reason he got the job? Maybe he wants to get a HC job on his own merits. Perhaps Nix would have given him a fair interview and Schotty wouldn’t have had any advantage, but the perception would always be there. He may be wanting to distance himself from his dad’s reputation and he wants to carve his own niche.

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by sireric on Jan 13, 2010 2:50 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

or it could be he knows the Bills are a nightmare???

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by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Why are the Bill's a nightmare

Were willing to spend on player’s. We have a respected personnell man running things. You’ll always play in front of a full house. And if you make the playoff’s once you may very well be safe for a decade as a HC. What’s nightmarish about this?

by mob16151 on Jan 13, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Why?

1. As much as most of us have accepted the fact that Nix is our GM, the rest of the NFL is not being as kind. When Shanny accepted the job in Wash, he mentioned how important it was to have a GM like Allen. Given that the Bills were his other option…..do the math. Maybe Nix will vindicate himself, but he is a big question mark, IMO.

2. Owner that could die any minute with no plan for the future

3. No staring caliber QB

4. Borderline NFL caliber talent at almost every position

5. Next to impossible to get top quality FAs

These are not things that make for an enticing gig.

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by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Ooops accidentally hit post

1. Allen is a yes man. Always has been always will be. Basically Shanahan said it’s important to have a yes man for a coach to work with.

2. Yes our owner is old. Fine,that’s a legitimate concern for a HC canidate.

3. There’s a lot of way’s to acuire an NFL caliber starting QB. You just have to have a good personnell evaluator on hand. Enter Buddy Nix.

4.Most teams that need a HC have sucky talent….that’s just not an excuse to turn down an NFL HC job.

5. Win a few games and the FA’s will come. Look at the Packers.

by mob16151 on Jan 13, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmmm

1. Not at all what Shanny said. I will look for the clip.
2. Old is not the problem…..no plan for the future is
3. Hahahaha…..I hope it is that easy, because we haven’t had one in a long time
4. Debatable….I could give examples on both sides
5. NO….go to a SB and maybe…but Buffalo will still be a last choice for many young kids because of the weather and lack of “entertainment”
6. I forgot…..Out of date stadium with little to no chance of getting a new one built.

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

2. Owner that could die any minute with no plan for the future

I see this argument all over the place… Has everyone but me got the inside info? Have you gotten a sneek peek maybe of his Will? Has Mr WIlson ever said publicly that he had no “plan” or Will???
Comeon… We may not be privey to it, but Ralph is not gonna write off the Bills when he passes….

by Cinga on Jan 13, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Last I hear, his kids didn't want it, so that leaves being sold the to highest bidder

I Jimbo had a plan in place, we would know about it.

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by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get why they wouldn't want it.

Assuming Ralph shuffles off this year(Which I hope doesn’t happen) I beleive theres no estate tax in 2010. So why couldn’t they take over.

by mob16151 on Jan 13, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Good question....you would have to ask them.

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by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed. even if you don't like football

it’s still a cash cow you can go and milk every morning. you don’t have to like computers or know much about technology to reap the benefits of Microsoft or IBM stock.

by NordicBillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

We shouldnt have to make this job enticing. Its an NFL HEAD COACHING JOB!!!! That should be enticing enough. If you dont want it, then get out of the way so we can find someone who does.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm convinced.

I’ll take it! Can I have my keys to OBD?

by LABillsFan on Jan 13, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

yes you can!

Now if only Ralph can remember where he put them … lol

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone who wants the Bills HC job please step forward

After an extensive search, the Bils FO has picked one of the two guys who didn’t step backward. Congratulations front office….. you found the best man for the job.

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by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha nicely put.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

This is stretching it.... a lot

1. How is Nix a question mark? Look at his track record. The Charger draft record the past decade was stellar, and took a laughing stock of a team to NFL elite status.

2. Seriously? What if Jerry Jones has the gianormous-tron fall on him tomorrow? What’s his succession plan? And with NYS government leaders supporting a stay in Buffalo, this isn’t that big of a detractor.

3. Neither does Washington. Shanahan still signed. The Rams got a new head coach last year despite Bulger not being a starter anymore. Schwartz signed with the Lions without a starting QB in place. Really a non-starter of an issue.

4. If we cut Lynch, Jackson, Evans, Levitre, Wood, Butler, Hangartner, Nelson, Schobel, Williams, Stroud, Posluszny, Mitchell, McKelvin, Florence, McGee, Whitner, Byrd, and Moorman, they would all have a job in a month, and most of them would be starting. I will say that there are very few stars, but it’s not like we have fringe talent starting.

5. Every year there are about 5-10 top qualtiy UFA’s. So, every year, the majority of the fans in the league enter free agency thinking that their team is going to sign the greatest players. And every year, except for a few, they don’t.

Top quality UFA’s from the 2009 off-season: Bart Scott, Brian Dawkins, Chris Canty, Albert Haynesworth, Darren Sharper, TJ Houshandzadeh, Jason Brown.

And reality is that more teams are striking out with UFA’s and going the trade route. Adalius Thomas got paid a ton and didn’t live up to the price. Think NE is going to go the UFA route for a star again soon? Better to trade for a guy like Moss or Welker, and deal with an existing contract or renegotiate with an RFA, than sign an UFA.

Best is drafting your own guys and keeping them. Sort of what Nix said.

The sky is not falling. : )

by Der Jaeger on Jan 13, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL!

LOL at “gianormous-tron”

by Caleb R on Jan 13, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

If I am stretching it...you have let it snap back in the opposite direction

1. Nix has no track record as a GM. He has never had the final say and certainly didn’t do it with the Chargers by himself.

2. Yeah, seriously. I will bet you any amount of money that Ralph dies before the Megatron falls on Jones….by the way, I would love to be wrong about that :-) I have no idea what Jones’ plan for the Cowboys is, but Ralph has said the Bills will be sold when he dies. Why should I doubt that?

3. Most of us here have said we would like Jason Campbell as our QB next year. Campbell may not be a superstar, but he has a better chance of being serviceable that anyone we have on the roster. How did things work out for the Rams and Schwartz? yeah….not really making me feel better.

4. I said at almost every position and should have said lock as starters – If Lynch is a starter, we better trade him FAST. Jackson, Williams, Moorman, and Levitre – love them, but outside of Moorman, would have to fight for a job. Evans – Not going to get the kind of money we are giving him from anyone else. Wood, Butler, and Mitchell – Recovering from injuryies, therefore quesiton marks. Stroud is no longer dominant. I am afraid he going to go down hill fast. Hang is a rotational player. Leo and Nelson have potential but have yet to prove anything. Poz is an average 4-3 MLB…can he play elsewhere? Florence could barely hold down the nickel…big deal. McGee – I like him but when is the last time he shut down any of the elite WRs in the NFL? Schobel wants to retire rather than play for us another year…can you even count him? Whitner is a bust and Byrd can catch pop flies…..wake me when he can stop the run. As for the rest…yes we have some nice players, but there isn’t one guy on that list that wouldn’t have to fight like hell to win the starting job on another team. Like you said…..No stars.

5. What is your point? That there are not a lot of top shelf FAs available every year? I get that. We don’t have to sign them all or even one every year, but when is the last time we signed one? We could have used Brown or Birk. And you are forgetting that even many of the 2nd tier guys like Fred Taylor don’t want to sign here.

Draft your own guys and keep them….good idea, but every time we develop someone, they are to expensive to keep – Winfield, Clements, Peters, and Greer come to mind. You are right, the sky is not falling, it is just raining like hell.

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by Joe P. on Jan 14, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not swinging the other way

I’m just looking at the situation as a realitist.

1. Nix didn’t make the decisions, but don’t you thing being the assistant GM might have put him into a position to influence the decisions? Nix was part of a team that has an excellent track record. SD commentators have said that Nix was a big voice in their front office. I’ll take that as a good track record.

2. I doubt that has any play on head coaches outside the few big fish (Shanahan, Cowher). It’s not going to deter Schottenheimer, Grimm, etc. Something else was in play there.

3. Campbell is not cuirrently a front line QB. Most of us (on this blog) would love to have him; most of the mational media was speculating if Shanahan would get rid of him or not. Opinions- and I’d tend to agree with the media as they are far closer to the situation that we are. Schwartz didn’t have a QB, and drafted one who’s future is bright. Spagnuola and the Rams may draft one this year. Didn’t stop either from taking the job. Sparano had a 1-15 team, and came on as the HC before Pennington was signed or Henne was drafted. The QB thing isn’t in play. Too many coaches take jobs that don’t have QB’s, then get their QB and have success. McDaniel even ran his QB out of town and still have some success (at points).

4. Not the point. Totally nothing to do with the original point. The point is talent- not pay, etc. All of those players would have jobs and most would start.

5. Point is that most fans want a big Haynesworth splash every year. Not a recipe for success. Mitchell was a 2nd Tier UFA. Owens was 2nd Tier. Rhodes was 2nd Tier at the time we signed time. Hangartner was 2nd Tier. We are attracting UFA’s. Fred Taylor didn’t want to sign because Lynch was the #1 though suspended, Jackson was the #2. Taylor had a better chance competing for carries against Laurence Maroney, so he signed.

It’s not as bad as you think. Nix was right when he said San Diego was in worse shape than Buffalo. Everything that’s being said about Buffalo was said about San Diego: no one wants to coach there, no talent, etc. It’s not good, but it’s not like we’re coming off a 1-15 season.

by Der Jaeger on Jan 14, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Point #4

Also, most would say our coaches were bad. Kugler- job. April- teams want him. Fewell- teams want him.

We will always undervalue what we have. It’s human nature.

by Der Jaeger on Jan 14, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

April was fired....wanted to leave because he felt screwed over

I don’t like the Tampon 2, so I will not miss Fewell for that reason alone. Kugler…..I could go either way…hard to say now good/not good he was at this point. Fans can undervalue players, but most fans also tend to overvalue player on their team, IMO.

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by Joe P. on Jan 14, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I never asked about your personal life ;-)

1. I agree that Nix has had influence, but he has never been the man. If good DC/OCs can make terrible HCs, then good Assist. GMs can make bad GMs. I not saying Nix will be bad, just that he is a question mark until proven otherwise.

2. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Even Brian agrees that Wilson’s lack of a plan for this team after he passes in a big problem and hurts us.

3. As important as the QB position is to success in the NFL, how can it not be a factor. It is not a deal killer by it self, but the Bills have other issues. Might be the proverbial straw…

4. How is any of that not the point? We are paying Evans #1 WR money,right? He is not #1. I love Wood, but he may not be the same player. How can you ignore that? Do you think other teams would if we wanted to trade him (I don’t want to trade Wood)? Isn’t that how we got Stroud to begin with?

5. I agree that the Dan Snyder approach is not a good one, but at some point you need to be able to sign some of the top 2nd tier guys. We can barely do that.

If nothing else, SD has a stable owner in place and much better weather. I don’t think that if you look back at their history you will see them getting turned down for interviews for the HC job like we have been. We are the only game. The last time I felt this rejected was in high school. At least if we were 1-15 we would have a shot at Suh or the QB of our choice. Maybe it is not that bad, but if you are being honest, do you think next year’s record will be better or worse? Guess what way I am going :-)

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by Joe P. on Jan 14, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

We're going to have to disagree : )

1. It’s different from the coordinator/HC analogy in one way- Nix is older/more experienced in ways to AJ Smith. It’d be similar to the late-Jim Johnson recommending something to Andy Reid. Reid may look like the star, but it was Johnson’s doing. Could Johnson have run a team? I’m sure of it, but unfortunately, we’ll never know. That’s the light that I view Nix in.

2. There are things said in public and then there’s what’s really going on. I do not believe that Wilson’s stated plan is the full truth. Not with what Schumer and others have talked about. Schumer knows that losing the Bills is damaging to him politically. He would never walk away from meetings with Wilson and Goodell feeling sound about the Bills is the stated transition plan from Wilson was the whole truth.

3. It may be a “last straw” consideration. But it won’t, in and of itself, drive away coaches.

4. The point is that Evans, while not a star, could and would start for most of the teams in the league as a #1 or #2. Wood, if healthy, would start for half the teams in the league. The league is starved for DT talent. Stroud would start for over half the 4-3 teams in the league. If you’re saying we have a lot of non-stars starting, then I agree. You’re talking like the cupboards are bare. They are not.

5. We have signed 2nd Tier guys. We didn’t sign Birk because we signed Hangartner. Some of the 2nd Tier guys don’t work out (Rhodes). Some of the first tier guys don’t work either. Buffalo has chosen not to go after the Haynesworth’s of the world, and for good reason. If they draft soundly, 2nd tier guys that fill needs, like Mitchell and Hangartner, are well worth the money.

SD had stable ownership in Spanos, but no one wanted to work or play for him. The only thing they had on us is Spanos as a stable owner. Everything else was in massive flux or was a gapping need.

I think we’re going to surprise some folks, particularly with a very sound defense.

by Der Jaeger on Jan 14, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

what about billick?

seriously…what about billick?

by zachass4 on Jan 13, 2010 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

That’s at least the third time this same exact question has been asked in this thread.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Its like a game thread Brian at this point, just roll with it

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

i still havent seen an answer to that question.

by zachass4 on Jan 13, 2010 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

You want answers? I WANT THE TRUTH!!!!

Oooops…got distracted :-) IMO, if Brian wanted the job, he wouldn’t care how he got it. Reputation only gets you in the door….you still have to produce.

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by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I would take the job… oh.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Comment works either way :-)

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by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish you could take it, then I could be flunky making quite a lot more than I do now

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

My buddy plays flag football & coaches a youth team

I could ask him if he wants to interview. But if he gets the job someone would have to drive him there everyday, since he hasn’t had a car for awhile now….

by StroudFanClub on Jan 13, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

Time to move the island.

by Zumone on Jan 13, 2010 3:27 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

+1. Rec. Gold star. And such.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

What the hell does that mean? /Idon’treallyvcareaboutLOSTyet

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I was gonna ban you until I saw that “yet.” Nice save… but I’m putting you on the watch list.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

hahah

I think MRW gets at least 4 ban threats a month from you hahaha

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by poz on Jan 13, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is the first one that I’m dead serious about. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Then he would have to get up early and do the links. :-)

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

The watch list

Does that make you the “Watchman”?

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I prefer the Dayman or Nightman myself lol

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

best 30 minutes of TV that I’ve ever seen.

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by kaisertown on Jan 13, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

haha good man. love that show.

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by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never cared about lost

I don’t care how mysterious the island is,it shouldn’t take anyone that long to get off it. lol

by mob16151 on Jan 13, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha rec'd!

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by poz on Jan 13, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It only took them ~100 days.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

So why hasn't Hurley lost any weight, has he been eating other survivors?

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Candy bars

He also eats pounds of sand at a time.

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by Kurupt on Jan 14, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh sand, goes well with those ketchup packets

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 14, 2010 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

John Fox

I know he’s currently under contract for Carolina, but I read somewhere that he has an opt-out clause in his contract for this year he could exercise since he wasn’t offered a contract extension?

I think he’d be the perfect fit here. Defensive guy, commits to a power running game, no nonsense, been to a Super Bowl, could have been here instead of Gregg Williams back in the day …

by sabre74kkn on Jan 13, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

GOD PLEASE!!!!! I would love Fox

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by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

As would I

Unfortunately he makes to much sense. Soooo………

by mob16151 on Jan 13, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

yea Fox would be great

but…..I doubt he leaves Carolina. Now that he has a QB in Matt Moore, he can probably pull out a 10-6 playoff season and he knows it. Then he’ll get his contract extension and stay in Carolina.

One thing to note about Fox is that he has a lot of loyalty to players, similar to Jauron, as evidenced by his Jake Delhomme commitment. It would probably rub a lot of Bills fans the wrong way when personnel decisions are very Jauronian.

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by poz on Jan 13, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Reports have indicated that Fox has absolutely no interest in Buffalo.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 13, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

now did you type that

or use the template, “Reports have indicated that _ has absolutely no interest in Buffalo”?

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

This is getting to confusing

Maybe someone should make up a list of candidates that haven’t turned us down?

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

thats alot shorter...

"Be a wuss at home! Be a man on Rumblings!" - Kurupt

by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

here you go

Frazier
Fewell

"If you're happy, stay happy" - Mike Riley

by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if Fewell would even take the job anymore.....I thought he was a lock to go be the DC in Chicago.

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He has purposefully not accepted the Bears job in order to wait for Buffalo.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Add Grimm and Rivera, they just aren't talking to ANYONE about any jobs

So they can go into a “Possibles” category or something.

As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....

by WABillsfan on Jan 13, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Lovely, nothing to see here … move along.

by sabre74kkn on Jan 13, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

ahhh, i havent gotten down in the muck in a while...

this thread is what I like to call a “mosh pit” thread. From my “coward” statement, to Rooney Rule, to grievances being aired, to leslie frazier talk. There is a ton of random and not so random topics going on here. MOSH PIT! ha!

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Jan 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Only one thing to do

find the hottest girl in the pit and start grinding ……. Wait…..that analogy doesn’t work at all :-)

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha that doesn't work here at all!!

fair or not, I picture every poster here as a drunken bro.

Maybe its because thats what I am….

I do remember there was that one female poster who came by here a lot for a while, can’t remember her screen name now, but she was the only poster I remember saying she was a female. So until more female posters acknowledge themselves as such your all drunken dudes to me.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Jan 13, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

REC'D

best post of the thread, I think its the only thing we can all agree on. haha

"Be a wuss at home! Be a man on Rumblings!" - Kurupt

by bflo on Jan 13, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

rec-o-copter

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

rec’d … poz you generally have great insight anyway, but you knocked that one out of the park.

by sabre74kkn on Jan 13, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Goldie Hawn

Rumor has Goldie Hawn is interested in becoming the new HC—-she took the “Wildcats” from bottom feders to the top of their division in 1 year. She won’t take any crap and she likes to throw the ball down field.

"If you don't have good habits you have bad habits there are no in between habits"

by Goose22 on Jan 13, 2010 4:11 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Since we are considering Hollywood candidates, I will take

Jimmy McGinty from the Replacements. He took a bunch of NFL rejects and unknowns and made them into winners. Sounds like the perfect guy for the job.

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Denzil

Don’t rule out Denzil, he was a great coach in “Remember the Titans” and he was use to adversity!!!

"If you don't have good habits you have bad habits there are no in between habits"

by Goose22 on Jan 13, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

OBD will interview him to satisfy the Rooney Rule :-)

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 13, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Shanahan

In terms of the Redskins situation and their hiring of Shanahan. There are 3 reported reasons why Shanahan went to Washington. He is a friend of Snyder, Snyder will pay him huge bucks, and he will be able to run the show in terms of personel. Before Snyder hired Allen, he got Shanny’s approval (so Allen didn’t pick Shanny, it was the other way around) and it is widely believed here in Washington that Allen will just be managing the cap while Shanny makes all of the decisions re. the team.

by marke11 on Jan 13, 2010 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

Here's a thought...

How about Lane Kiffin?

He’s been at USC for a full day; he may looking for a change of scenery.

Anyway, Mrs. Kiffin is smoking hot.

The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.

by ChipShot on Jan 13, 2010 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

+100000 on the Kiffin’s wife comment.

by sabre74kkn on Jan 13, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Schottenheimer wants to coach the Jets.

He’s one dumb ass comment from Rex Ryan away from fulfilling that dream early.

Schottenheimer is getting an enourmous amount of credit for guiding a rookie QB to the playoffs and he isn’t about to jump off of that ship right now.

I beleive he believes NY (ehe, NJ) is the best place for him right now, and I think he’s right about that too. So this is no suprise to me, at all.

in a salary cap era, no single unit (offense or defense) should be consistently sub-average for such a long stretch.

by kgun201 on Jan 13, 2010 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

coach

Not trying to be smart here, new at this but why didnt thay look at Bobby April?

by Jantheman on Jan 13, 2010 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

not entirely sure

but word on the street is that april was pissed they passed over him on the interim HC gig. maybe some bad blood there. either way i wouldnt expect him back here anytime soon.

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by silverstreak3k on Jan 13, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

I just scanned through much of that and couldn’t believe this guy hasn’t come up yet:

Jason Garrett.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

Where i am sitting

I agree. Two solid individuals with coaching talent and offensive minds. i think its obvious we need some help from as many people as we can find. get an offensive HC a OC a Asst OC and assistant to the Asst OC a QB’s coach and a ASST QB COACH AND COME ON!!!!!!!!!!! we need to figure it out on the O side of the ball i guess is what i am saying.

FS Jairus Byrd- Pro Bowl Rookie

by Ren Diggity on Jan 13, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

What's in a name

If his name was Goldberg or Ginsburg instead of Schottenheimer would he even have gotten a mention ? Just because his father was a great coach doesn’t mean that he will be a great coach. Coaching blood lines is vastly over rated. Look no further than the Shula boys that couldn’t hold a candle to their father. Lets look for a coach that made his mark on his own performance, not by the name or the easy road that was paved for them because of their fathers contacts.

GIVE ME LESLIE FRAZIER – How tough must you be to make as a player and coach in the NFL with a name like Leslie…..

by buffalo69 on Jan 13, 2010 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

If that Ginsberg were Allen, i’d be really worried for a number of reasons.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a bunch of crap from Wimps

Here’s the deal. You take direction and BS from someone else for years…… then, you get the chance to “be the man.”
And you decline it because “I’m comfortable where I am.”
That’s LOSERTALK from men afraid of their abilities.
Fine. Scratch you from the list. Don’t want you.
During my career I have sought out my young fire-breathers and offered them higher positions of authority. Most accepted….. and then excelled.
The ones who declined, because they were “comfortable”, I moved out in a year or so. No time for you.
That way, I could bring up another younger stud.
Always try to work one pay grade above your level.
These assistants who turn down interviews disgust me.
BRING ON FRAZ. At least he’s a man.

"A failure becomes just one time at bat if you refuse to let it defeat you." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 13, 2010 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

HUA

Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons

by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Haaaaa.....I hope you don't hire doctors.....I don't want some young stud

who thinks he can do brain surgery, only to leave me brain dead. I want the doctor who knows he is not experienced enough to do the job yet and gives me the name of the best guy he knows. I have a pilots license, but have never flown a passenger jet….want to let me fly you and your family somewhere?

You guys who think this is a pissing contest need to get over it. Coaches are real people with families. There decisions affect more than just them. I guess Shanny, Cowher, Marty, etc must all be cowards too? Look in the mirror and face the truth.

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 14, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Joe..... seriously?

I said, "Here’s the deal. You take direction and BS from someone else for years…… then, you get the chance to "be the man."
And you decline it because "I’m comfortable where I am."

I was obviously referring to assistant coaches who all want to be head coaches someday. They work long hours, kill themselves, spend 15-30 years working towards the ultimate goal and somebody else…. its their life. And when you get that opportunity to grab your dream (Head Coach), you decline it?

I never mentioned surgeons or pilots.
I obviously was also not referring to the Chin, the Rat, Marty, or Shotty.
Apples and oranges bro.

"A failure becomes just one time at bat if you refuse to let it defeat you." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 14, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well the article was about Brian S (Shotty), so I think you can see where I got confused

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 14, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

this turned into quite the comment fest

Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons

by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 13, 2010 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

REJOICE BUFFALO!!!!......YOUR SALVATION IS HERE!!!!!

After giving it much thought, I have decided that I will GLADLY accept an interview to become the next Bills head coach! I believe my credentials speak for themselves:

OFFENSE: As the Raiders offensive coordinator, my offensive game planning made it possible for Bo Jackson to rush for over 12,000 yards in a single season on Tecmo Super Bowl, for the NES. In my previous stint with the Buffalo Bills, I led “QB Bills” to a NFL record 138 Touchdown passes, as well as creating the playbook that allowed Thurman Thomas to rush for 8,000 yards, and Andre Reed to catch over 100 touchdown passes. You want OFFENSE? I KNOW offense!

DEFENSE: As Tecmo coordinator for the New York Giants, I created the scheme which allowed Lawrence Taylor to sack the quarterback and unprecedented and yet to be repeated 121 sacks in a single season! As Dolphins coordinator, Louis Oliver was able to pick off 38 passes in a single season as I employed an intense “ball hawking” strategy.

SPECIAL TEAMS: Detroit: Mel Gray. Nuff’ Said!

I believe that the Bills need to get back to basics! 8 plays on offense…..8 plays on defense! Run the same play 50 times untill the computer (er, the opponent) guesses correctly! Think about it , Bills fans! There is only a 12,5% chance that any play I call will not work!

I look forward to meeting with Mr. Nix, Mr. Brandon, and Mr. Wilson and getting started at OBD with the intention of turning the NFL on it’s ear and making them remember what a Buffalo Stampede looks like and feels like!

by Caleb R on Jan 13, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

You're hired!

I once scored 87 points against my daughter when she was only eight years old. Can I be your O-coordinator?
I don’t play games anymore…… she started killing me hard when she turned 12 four years ago.
Ugh……..

"A failure becomes just one time at bat if you refuse to let it defeat you." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 13, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

TWITTER UPDATE FROM ADAM SCHEFTER:

 With the impending hire of Caleb R as the new head coach of the Buffalo Bills, the leader in the clubhouse for the offensive coordinator appears to be Sergeant Major Thor. He once scored 87 points on Tecmo, but has not been seen in a while. His questionable skills in his last appearance against his daughter makes him a perfect candidate for Coach R.

In other news: I still have an unfounded grudge against, and still HATE the Buffalo Bills for reasons unknown even by me, Adam Schefter.

by Caleb R on Jan 13, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ohhh yeah!!!! I am rec'in this one :-)

For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth

by Joe P. on Jan 14, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

thats way more than 140 characters....

Twitter-fibber!!!!

Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons

by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 14, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

well if you need a QBs Coach I can help

At the college level my QB set school rushing records with over 9000 career rushing yards…

by NordicBillsfan on Jan 14, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but you will get sacked 12.5% of the time

because that’s what happens when the computer… err, opponent guesses correctly.

but i like your strategy. if you hire me as your ST coordinator i have a sick Mel Gray “maneuver” (i guess would be the word) that allows you to run the clock out on kickoff return. = we win, for that half anyway.

in a salary cap era, no single unit (offense or defense) should be consistently sub-average for such a long stretch.

by kgun201 on Jan 14, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

anyway

we need a guy with “maneuvers.” they always seem to work if you haven’t noticed.

in a salary cap era, no single unit (offense or defense) should be consistently sub-average for such a long stretch.

by kgun201 on Jan 14, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm Excited...

that its going to be another ‘stealth’ candidate that no one’s talked about yet.

Like Kirk Ferentz or Greg Mattison. That would be a riot.

People need to settle. I think Brian (and others) have hit it on the head – its the players that will be the primary reason why whoever gets the job succeeds. The schemes and the motivation can set the team up to win, but if you don’t have the players, you’re SOL. On Bill Walsh/Belicheck/Parcells/Landry’s best day, he couldn’t make the 2009 Lions a .500 team.

I doubt the Ravens fans were psyched when they announced John Harbaugh as their new HC. “Oh, I remember that guy, played QB for the Colts…wait, what? His brother? Who the hell is he? The Eagles Special Teams Coach? WTF!”

by T McGee on Jan 13, 2010 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

Beggars can't be choosers right now...

I think it’s a well established fact that Buffalo is not on the hot list of coaches around the NFL and you have a coach that truly wants to be here but many don’t want him for whatever reason. If you go onto the Vikings website though you won’t find many if not any that are saying they’re be glad to see Frazier go so what’s going on?

And as far as some of these other “hot” names, sorry guys we’re going to have trouble finding a young coach because outside of football what does the city have to offer? Compared to most other NFL cities, not much and coaches know that. I know many were pissed about what McGahee said but was he truly lying? There’s life outside of football so if the coach can’t make his family happy why come? I think we need to lower our expectations a little and hope to build from what we have, the miracle worker is not coming to Western New York plain and simple.

by telka on Jan 13, 2010 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

Why not interiew Billick?

He has expressed interest in coaching the Bills, hasn’t he? Personally, I think he’s a good coach and, if he wants to be here, he is at least worth a look, IMO.

Onegaishimasu.

by skajaquada on Jan 14, 2010 6:49 AM EST reply actions  

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