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Bills need to re-discover the tight end

You don't need me to tell you that the 2009 version of the Buffalo Bills could hardly be labeled a juggernaut offensively. In finishing 6-10, the Bills scored just 258 points on the season, an average of around 16 per game. That's not going to win you a lot of ball games. Only five NFL teams scored fewer points than Buffalo last season - Cleveland, Oakland, Detroit, Tampa Bay and St. Louis - and those teams finished a combined 16-64.

It's not rocket science. You have to score points to win football games, and the Bills haven't scored enough points for a full decade.

We know what Buffalo's biggest issues are offensively. The team has lacked a franchise quarterback since Jim Kelly retired, and the offensive line has been ravaged by injuries, youth and an overall lack of top-end talent. Clearly, the offense isn't going to make major strides until the Bills can muster passing grades in both areas. One often-overlooked area where the Bills have lacked for quite some time, however, is the tight end position. Buffalo still has yet to hire a head coach; when that happens, however, it is imperative that the new coach find a coordinator that is capable of getting the ball to the tight end.

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The tight end position is one of the more difficult to play in the NFL. You need to run like a receiver, make tough catches, and block like an offensive tackle to play this spot every down at this level. In recent seasons, however, the tight end has regained prominence in NFL offenses - and in 2009, the position became vital to several explosive offenses around the league.

Consider this: Buffalo's leading receiver last season was Terrell Owens (55 catches, 829 yards, 5 TD). Now, granted, Buffalo couldn't pass the ball to save their lives on most days. But it's telling that Owens - one of the league's most decorated receivers and very much a positive factor for the Bills this year - was out-stripped in the receiving department by 12 tight ends league-wide.

I'll repeat that. 12 NFL tight ends caught more passes than Terrell Owens in 2009. The receiving numbers for some of these guys are ridiculous. The list is below - and we've added two more names to the end of the list, making it 14 NFL tight ends with at least 50 receptions in '09.

Dallas Clark (IND): 100 receptions, 1,106 yards, 10 TD
Jason Witten (DAL): 94 catches, 1,030 yards, 2 TD
Tony Gonzalez (ATL): 83 catches, 867 yards, 6 TD
Antonio Gates (SD): 79 catches, 1,157 yards, 8 TD
Vernon Davis (SF): 78 catches, 965 yards, 13 TD
Kellen Winslow (TB): 77 catches, 884 yards, 5 TD
Brent Celek (PHI): 76 catches, 971 yards, 8 TD
Heath Miller (PIT): 76 catches, 789 yards, 6 TD
Zach Miller (OAK): 66 catches, 805 yards, 3 TD
Greg Olsen (CHI): 60 catches, 612 yards, 8 TD
Visanthe Shiancoe (MIN): 56 catches, 566 yards, 11 TD
Jermichael Finley (GB): 55 catches, 676 yards, 5 TD
Todd Heap (BAL): 53 catches, 593 yards, 6 TD
John Carlson (SEA): 51 catches, 574 yards, 7 TD

That list contains players from potent offenses and terrible offenses. It contains players who are central figures to their respective teams' aerial attacks, and guys that are more secondary options to talented receiving corps. The bottom line is this: they all produced because they're all good players, and their teams recognized the need to get the ball in their hands.

Owens is a free agent. So is slot receiver Josh Reed, who has received a ton of looks on third down over the past few seasons. No one's really sure if Lee Evans will ever replicate his highly productive 2006 campaign. And yes, the quarterback position and the offensive line remain critical needs - that hasn't changed since you started reading this post, unfortunately.

One of Buffalo's chief problems over the past decade has been sustaining drives; that's been particularly true the last couple of seasons. The Bills need a player to play the role that Witten does in Dallas; dude caught 94 passes this year, but only got into the end zone twice. Yes, the Bills need guys to get into the end zone, but you have to move the ball to get there in the first place. They need to start finding those opportunities in the middle of the field.

Fact: no Bills tight end has caught 50 passes since Jay Riemersma pulled in 53 for a 2001 Bills team that went 3-13. Since then, Mark Campbell (34 catches, 2003) and Robert Royal of all people (33 catches, 2006) have come closest to that mark. Last season, Buffalo's leading receiver at the tight end position was rookie Shawn Nelson, who hauled in just 17 receptions. That's the Bills' lowest output at that spot since 2004, when Campbell hauled in the same number of passes.

I'd like to think that Nelson - a tremendous athlete capable of making big plays, but also with some durability issues - can be that type of player in Buffalo. He's certainly got the talent to become the type of player that can pump out 50-catch seasons on a regular basis. But it'll take a quarterback, and a line, and a coordinator that finally realizes just how important a big, physical receiver that can exploit the middle of the field is to a team that plays its football in the city of Buffalo.

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Based on these numbers I count 11, Finley is getting too much credit.

by TJJ on Jan 14, 2010 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

Are you being serious? Have you not watched GB play this year? Finley is going to be a stud TE in the NFL.

by RIP058 on Jan 14, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

you don’t even need to watch him this year. if you saw the one game last week, you’d know he’s nearly unstoppable from the TE position.

by quantumuprising on Jan 14, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree but I was refering to the TO comparison. His numbers are not better then TO.

by TJJ on Jan 14, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

He had the same number of catches and more touchdowns in an offense where, at best, he’s the third option on any given play.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it is hard to argue that vs. a No. 1 reciever, but I guess I’m missing the more touchdowns part. I know TO had the 1 rushing touchdown for the 6 total and they both had 5 recieving based on these numbers.

by TJJ on Jan 14, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the point is, in a year where “checkdown” was our offense’s middle (or first) name, these stats illustrate how poorly we used the checkdown (and the TE) compared to functioning offenses. These 12 TEs were the 2nd, 3rd options on most passing plays.
You can’t use your elite WR as a tight end and succeed.

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by fansince60 on Jan 14, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Brian’s point is still valid – it’s ultimately about moving the chains and having guys who can make the key block when needed, but then turn around the next play on a 3rd and 4 and make that 5 yard catch, like a Witten or Olsen or Celek.

And I agree with everyone else above – Finley is going to be a stud in this league.

by sabre74kkn on Jan 14, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

jason whitten only had 2td. you didn’t disagree with him….

by quantumuprising on Jan 14, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Because he had more catches as stated in the paragraph related to the list. This is snowballing and it hardly detracts from the point that was being made anyways.

by TJJ on Jan 14, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

not really, you didn’t mention zach miller who had both less yards and less td’s. The point is, no one is really sure what point you were trying to make.

by quantumuprising on Jan 14, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha, read the paragraph one more time, and I was saying that it doesn’t take anything away from Brian’s point anyways. I have no point, just a bad post.

by TJJ on Jan 14, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

your fine

all TJJ’s saying is that based on the criteria of the comparison Finley didnt have a better year than TO. He’s acknowledging that Brian’s point is still obviously valid, just giving TO credit where its due by pointing out that Finley didn’t have the better year.

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by poz on Jan 14, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha, whoops. My bad on the TD thing.

Still, I think you’re missing the larger point. Either that or you just felt like nit-picking. Is 12 so different from 11?

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha, yeah you’re right, my bad. Lesson learned.

by TJJ on Jan 14, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL it’s no big, because you caught me – somehow I did make the mistake of thinking Finley had more catches than Owens, which he clearly did not. A product of working too quickly last night.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

one bright spot of hope

I believe Nelson is someone to build upon for whomever takes the HC and OC job. As you say, he’s an athlete and has the talent. I’d like to think (and hope) his durability issue was part of the overall injury epidemic in ’09. TE is one less area of concern for a new regime that will face a myriad of them.

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by fansince60 on Jan 14, 2010 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

Nelson

I think most of us will agree he has the tools in the receiving category. You mentioned the necessity of a TE to block like a Tackle. We all knew that was going to be Nelson’s biggest area in need of improvement starting the season.

What are your thoughts on his progress in this category? Did he get many opportunities to even try?

by Slick Shifty on Jan 14, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

TE is a symptom

The lack of production from the TE position is just a symptom of the larger problem of not having a NFL caliber QB and OL. And maybe a competent Offensive coordinator. For example, last season the Jets Dustin Keller looked like the best young TE in the league playing with a hall of fame QB Brett Favre. This year Shiancoe is that guy. I think Nelson is going to be a good TE if the Bills find a good QB, get the OL healthy and find a big league offensive coach.

by Greg in UT on Jan 14, 2010 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

That’s not a hard and fast rule. Vernon Davis had a phenomenal season catching passes from Alex Smith. Kellen Winslow? Josh Freeman. Zach Miller? Uh… Bruce Gradkowski, I think, most of the time. Heap and Carlson didn’t exactly have stellar QB play this year, either.

Your point is a good one, though, and I tried to stress it in the article.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

What's sad about zach miller

Gradkowski was the best quarterback he got to play with this season. by far.

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by JPH on Jan 14, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of Gradkowski

Is he available after this year? I think he’d be a great back up. I was hoping the Bills would draft him when he came out. Might be the homer in me, but the guy has guts.

by billskk69 on Jan 14, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Except for

Finley and Carlson (who I think were both 2nd-year players), everyone else on that list is an experienced, seasoned veteran. Nelson was a rookie. If Nelson stays healthy, he’ll be productive.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Jan 14, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

Another great 2nd TE was Fred Davis

48 receptions for 509y and 6 TDs

I remember wanting this guy in 2008 but in hindsight, we got Nelson in the 4th and I too believe that he has the tools to be as good as these guys.

Nothing left to say...

by keysh67 on Jan 14, 2010 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

Davis’s and finley’s numbers look a lot better when you extrapolate how many games they started. Neither one of those guys was starting or getting that much time at the beginning of the season.

by crooked5 on Jan 14, 2010 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

TWSS?

Hope Nelson can live up to his potential and the expectations he has here….

How long will it take us to find that QB? Will we ever find that QB?

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by Kurupt on Jan 14, 2010 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

I knew it’d be either you or Eric.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I know I hold back on the TWSS stuff a lot. =)

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 14, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, me to. I wouldn't want to get a bad reputation :-)

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by Joe P. on Jan 14, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

don't say anything on rumblings you wouldn't say to your mother, that's always been my policy.

You should hear how I yell at my mom about Paul Posluzny.

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Jan 14, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha.

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by bflo on Jan 14, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Nelson, and think he can be a 50+ catch guy for us in the near future (year or two). He made some pretty acrobatic catches this year. Hes just got to work on getting kind of a little nastyness about him. Hes big enough to where he should be able to throw some guys around, in the blocking aspect of the TE position.

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by bflo on Jan 14, 2010 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

Not another TE

I agree that using our TEs is a need for our team. However, what I do not want is for the Bills to needlessly draft another one this year when we have so many more important needs (#1: OL, #2: run defense, #3 QB, I feel we could get by for a year if we had better lines). Just for those of your that have not noticed we have drafted TEs 4 of the last 6 years (2004, 2006, 2008 and 2009). I think we need to give Nelson his shot and focus on other needs this draft year.

by bills_niners on Jan 14, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Actually, I think adding another promising talent at TE in the middle rounds would be a great idea. Being able to field strong two TE sets makes a lot of sense in a cold weather enviroment like Buffalo. That way you get extra blocking on both sides for running plays, as well as two potential receivers one of whom can go across the middle for short or intermediate gains while the other helps to pass protect. Nelson is a potential star, but did have trouble staying healthy this past year. Schouman is too small to be a modern NFL TE and Fine is not that much of a receiving threat. We need one more tall, athletic TE to fill out the position on our roster. Jimmy Graham from Florida at 6’ 8" and just under 260 lbs. who runs a 4.6 40 and has sensational hands might be someone to target, though he is pretty raw and would be something of a project.

by Macktruck on Jan 14, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Another reason a TE isn’t a bad idea, is because you never know when you might have your next Jason Peters…lol

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by howedyhowe on Jan 14, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s obvious that the team missed Schouman this year, not that he’s all-world or anything.

But it’ll be nice when the offense has plays for the TE that aren’t a 1 yard out and a misdirection rollout that fools no one. Gotta love those horizontal patterns.

by Pistol on Jan 14, 2010 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

Those plays are maddening for me to watch. I don’t think Pee Wee coordinators run those plays. It’s a great way to get your guy injured, too. How many times have we seen defenders go low to make a tackle on the TE as he turns to adjust to a poorly thrown, horizontal pass?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 14, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotta love those horizontal patterns.

Hahah the horizontal passing game, You gotta love it.

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by JPH on Jan 14, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

And bubble screens. What great play. Puke.

by billskk69 on Jan 14, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Jermaine Gresham,

It is a shame that the Bills need so much help in other areas, that drafting a TE early would be unfeasible.

Jermaine Gresham of Oklahoma should have been a top 15 pick going into the 2010 draft but he hurt his knee in the beginning of the college season. His rehab was expected to take only 5 months which is fine. He is an excellent blocker with the proverbial soft hands. What a target at 6’6’ 258, if anyone has seen him play he is the prototype tight end that can make the difficult catch….

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by Goose22 on Jan 14, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe i'm in the minorty here

but I would love for them to draft Gresham. I was disappointed he didn’t go pro last season, and i’m sure he is, now that he suffered an injury.

The reason I wouldn’t mind them drafting him: I don’t necessarly think you need a team of prototypical wide outs. What if this organization built a team with Lee Evans as the burner, and Hardy/Johnson as #2, while Nelson became #3 Gresham played the true TE postion? I’m all about the missmatch and these days it’s hard to find mismatches because of speed alone. TEs are more like WRs of the 80’s. They’re specimens and I think a team loaded with them might start a new trend in the league.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 14, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m all for it, though Jimmy Graham could be even better in the long run and we can probably get him in Round 3 because he is still a project.

by Macktruck on Jan 14, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Evans, 2 tall, reliable TEs who can stretch the field, and Hardy/Johnson to go over the middle? Sign me up. This all changes if Owens comes back, obviously.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 14, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I was hoping that he was going to come out last year and the Bills would had a chance to take him. With his receiving skills and his physical stature he would be a constant mismatch for any defense. Plus, he is a very good blocker.

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by Goose22 on Jan 14, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian

You’re getting ahead of yourself! We need to first rediscover PASSING…..then we can find targets of those passes!

by Posluszny Pollocks on Jan 14, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

conversely

you have to look ahead and, with a QB and OC in place (hopefully), you have to have someone to receive the passes. Don’t think this is too forward looking at all to asess the current targets, especially the TE – an obvious weapon elsewhere based on Brian’s piece. It’ll be the first thing a new HC and OC do.

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by fansince60 on Jan 14, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

SMALL PATATOES!

In the grand scheme of things, the Bills failing miserably for a decade and counting has very little to do with lack of production at TE. It would definitely be a huge boost on offense to get consistant production, like the teams mentioned. However, we are (and have been ) so miserably bad on offense, that nearly any of those TE’s listed would not do much in Buffalo. A) They would be forced to block most of the time with our miserable O-line B) We haven’t had a quarterback with anything even RESEMBLING pocket presence and the ability to read his progressions in years, so how is any quarterback going to incorporate a TE (who outside of Indy/San Diego is always going to be a secondary option anyway )into the game plan with any kind of consistancy?

by Caleb R on Jan 14, 2010 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, thank you. I mentioned that in the article, by the way.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, you mentioned it…..in the last line of a half page article about focusing on the TE …. I described why focusing on the TE before filling the other needs is completely counterproductive to putting a winner back out on the field. I know we all need something to read to pass the time while waiting for a coach, but God forbid that Buddy the Elf and co. read this and decide that we should take a TE at pick 9! Modrak is still there (unfortunately) , so the odds of screwing up our first pick are still VERY high!

by Caleb R on Jan 14, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually mentioned it above the fold, too.

I laughed out loud at Buddy the Elf, by the way.

And I never once suggested that TE should be looked at before anything else. That would be insane.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL ok, glad we’re on the same page! :)

by Caleb R on Jan 14, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Not every post can be about how epicly bad the Bills have been over the last decade.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 14, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, they CAN be

there’s more than enough material…it just wouldn’t be enjoyable.

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by Kurupt on Jan 14, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of enjoyable.....Hahaha....no

I am watching Archer on FX…….pretty funny.

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by Joe P. on Jan 14, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

the past has been well documented here and elsewhere. This, and future pieces I’m sure, will focus on solutions vs. past problems. Better use of the TE and evaluating our TE personnel are certainly a facets of the overall solution.

Just curious…are patatoes what New England fans eat? :)

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by fansince60 on Jan 14, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

haha!

sad thing is, i was so worried pulling a Dan Quayle-like mistake on the “E” or “no E” that at the end that I forget to spell the rest of it right!

by Caleb R on Jan 14, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I really would not like to focus on the TE when there are GAPING holes to be filled at much more important positions. It makes me angry, because I care about one thing, and one thing only, and that is a WINNING SEASON! Without a QB,OL,LB core,a new strength and conditioning staff to keep these guys on the field, and a defensive scheme that stops using undersized guys at positions that keep GETTING them hurt, that will not happen. Dallas Clark would not have gotten us past a 6-10 record this year, so why even bother? The TE is like drafting a catcher in fantasy baseball. You either have Mauer or V-Mart or you wait and make sure the rest of your team is stout then go back to it out of neccessity.

by Caleb R on Jan 14, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

and the WR

and the QB, LT pass rush, playmaking LB

Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!

by killascript on Jan 14, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

the bills need to rediscover football.

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Jan 14, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

sam gash… theres a name I havent heard in a while. He was a freakin bruiser…

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by bflo on Jan 14, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Married a girl from my HS while he played here … nice blast from the past …

by sabre74kkn on Jan 14, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Schouman Should Be on this List

Schouman actually had 9 catches in 1.5 games before the injury. Projected to 16 games, that is 96 catches for 1,102 yards. He’d be No. 2 on Brian’s list. Wait, for a 12 year career, that would be 1,152 catches for over 13,000 yards. He could have made the Hall of Fame, if not for the injury (and the fact that he would have no TDs in 12 years).

On a serious note, I actually like Nelson and Fine as complementary 1 – 2 TEs. Let’s not waste a draft pick on a TE. Also, we forget that Kevin Everett was picked in the 3rd round (a player who was projected to need a lot of development, but with great potential) and could have been our current TE.

by labill on Jan 14, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

LOL. I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that Derek Schouman would have fallen FAR short of 96 catches and 1,102 yards.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 14, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s quite a limb! To be honest, I think Schouman is the weakest in that position (I like Nelson and Fine better; the 2 other scrubs (including the new pick up) are more exciting that Schouman. I DO wonder whether Everett would have been the future. Everett had very similar attributes to that of Nelson — but he didn’t show any real promise like Nelson did his first year. Wasn’t Everett out virtually all his 1st year, too?

by labill on Jan 14, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate to say it, but I think Everett’s injury brought him to the fans more than his play may ever have. I know, it’s bad to say and how do you even critique a guy before he’s had a true opportunity. It’s just what my gut tells me.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 14, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I tend to agree. Which would put him in a long list of failed TEs.

by labill on Jan 14, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually really liked what I saw from Schouman

and there is something to be said for how much more comfortable Edwards looked when he still had Schou as a safety blanket.

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by JPH on Jan 14, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed with Brian

If there is one “skill” position that is impossible to project, it would be the TE. Most have a couple catches a game and then can seemingly disappear for a couple games. The Bills’ problem (I think this is what Brian is trying to say) is that they disappear far more often than most. Which as stated, has a lot more to do with everything else surrounding them.

by billskk69 on Jan 14, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Tight End is the same old story

Crazy how it is the same story with these Bills…. terrible offense with a horrendous mishandling of any talent on that side of the ball, and a defense that looks average and sometimes better than that, but plays a full games worth of football by half-time…

Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!

by killascript on Jan 14, 2010 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

my thoughts on tight end position

Shawn Nelson : Bright future at the position with this kid. His high flying, head first dive into the end zone in week 1 was a glimpse from a rookie that was the most inspiring outside of a kid named Jairus Byrd. Man, I loved that play. It was early in the season but let’s not forget it. We are battling for victory in hostile territory over a hated rival we haven’t beaten in eons. And this rookie responds to the gripping your couch tension with a gutsy, balls to the wall, turn up field – at electrifying speed for a TE – diving to get into the endzone in his first game as a pro. That one play was a brilliant display of not only athleticism but also that the kid plays with passion – he made a big play in a big game. With his jumping ability we most certainly have a keeper for a long time folks. Be very happy we have this kid, he’s going to be our rookie QBs savior behind that o-line and that will help the youngsters develop a rapport quickly.

Derek Schouman : Talk about an under-appreciated piece of the team. Either it was the loss of he or Brad Butler – or the two of them together – but this offense went from promising and young to desperately awful in 2009 right about when the Shoe-Man went to the turf and never got up. Schouman had 3 and 6 catches in his first two games before going down. He was on his way to more in the second game too. He might have put up those numbers you see on Brian’s list (the lower end) and Trent may have never declined as fast as he did if he didn’t go down. I never liked Schouman all that much but he really impressed me early in 2009 and I was fast becoming a fan before the injury. If you ask me, we have our two tight ends on this roster already and they are both young. At best, Schouman proves hes a serious number 1 tight end, at worst hes a reliable number 2. He shouldn’t go anywhere.

Bigger Fish to Fry : At the end of the day, I think our problem runs deeper than getting the tight end involved, and no I’m not talking about the QB or the o-line. Buffalo’s offensive schemes need a serious shot in the arm, which is one of the reasons neither Perry Fewell, Leslie Frazier or Brian Schottenheimer get me all excited. Two are defensive guys and one has proven to be good in the running game and average in the passing game. Our number 1 receiver put up worse numbers than 1/3 of the leagues tight ends. Our number 2 receiver probably put up worse numbers than 2/3. We need to learn to get the ball to our receivers before we can address getting it to our tight ends. Tight ends have to block and catch. For the most part, the primary function of the receiver is strictly to receive. And we have failed for over half a decade to utilize the best deep threat in the league. At least JP got him the ball. We need to learn to pass, desperately.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Jan 14, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Deshaun Jackson? Randy Moss?
the best deep threat in the league.

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Jan 14, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i think Lee Evans on the Colts or Saints

would be the best deep threat in the league, yes.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Jan 14, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

hmm, interesting.

I think he’s a really good receiver, but second tier in my mind.

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Jan 14, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i know its hard to envision him as a baller

but with his skill set, his route running and his high character rep I think with a great QB who really delivered a good ball and had a high football IQ Lee Evans would run wild. Peyton would make him a star.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Jan 14, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

that i agree with.
Peyton would make him a star.

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Jan 14, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Pierre Garcon is who he is now because of Peyton Manning. That guy could take 4 of us on here, put us at WR and still conduct the 2 minute offense to perfection.

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by bflo on Jan 14, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

agree with all but the bigger fish part

Would you agree that having a TE threat for opposing defenses to game plan for, would create more downfield opportunites for the WRs, i.e.spreading the defense? The more weapons the better. I think the numbers in the piece bear that out.
Overall, it’s a chicken/egg argument, but, the TE is one or the other.

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by fansince60 on Jan 14, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

thats true

but there have been productive offenses without using the tight end countless times in this league but there are a ton of unproductive offenses that have used the tight end a lot. His entire career Zach Miller has been a beast on terrible offenses. So I think the receiver should always come first.

But your point is still valid. It would help tremendously.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Jan 14, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

we're both right

We need help!!!

"If you're happy, stay happy" - Mike Riley

by fansince60 on Jan 14, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

badly!

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Jan 14, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

remember the year this guy was having?

owen daniels before he got hurt was having a monster year also. his numbers would have been ridiculous also!

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by BenAllen on Jan 14, 2010 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

good point!

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Jan 14, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

in only 8 games

well, 7 and a part of a game he had 40 receptions, 519 yards, and 5 td’s.

Wes Johnson is ridiculously good!!!

by BenAllen on Jan 14, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

thats absurd.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Jan 14, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent post Brian. I have been saying this for the past decade. Just as you have stated, one of the few ways to sustain drives is to have a TE that can help you in the run game with blocking as well as be that outlet for a QB.
In my opinion, this is one of, if not THE biggest issue of the Bills not being able to help groom or even have a semi-stable QB. Without a “security blanket” of sorts they are always having to look down field and the Bills are just NOT have NOT or probably never will be a team that can stand there and have all day to look for a wr to break open 50 yds down field. Even in the 90’s with Kelly, he had the likes of McKeller and big Pete Metzellars for his “security blanket”.
Sorry to be so long winded. In summary, I TOTALLY agree with Brians post. :)

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Jan 14, 2010 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed, But....

Don’t you think they [ the coaches ] would’ve utilized the tight ends in passing game if they thought they could’ve? Correct me if I’m wrong but were’nt the bills forced to use the tight ends more to block because of excessive injuries all across the line? This team in my opinion suffered from untimely injuries arguebly aggravated by poor conditioning and utter lack of depth at line positions. Add to that the poor qb response to lack of blocking , why would they want to throw to anything but the towel? I’d go step further, they need to re-discover the power of prayer. Pray there starters stay starters and get depth in case they don’t. I quess I’m saying it starts and ends with line play. It ended early for the Bills last yr.If anything they should re-discovered there runningbacks.

by buffalobacker on Jan 15, 2010 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

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