An examination of Russ Grimm's coaching career
With the Arizona Cardinals blown out of the playoffs by the Saints on Saturday, Russ Grimm finds himself with some time on his hands. The Buffalo Bills have requested and received permission to interview Grimm for the head coaching vacancy which no one seems to want. Grimm was one of two coordinators - Brian Schottenheimer of the Jets was the other - Buffalo targeted after meeting with Leslie Frazier.
The 51-year-old Grimm is perhaps best known as a member of the legendary "Hogs," one of the better offensive lines in NFL history. Grimm was selected to the Pro Bowl in four straight seasons, and owns three Super Bowl rings - one of which he earned against the Bills. Grimm has regularly been mentioned for enshrinement in the Hall of Fame. Clearly, the man was a great offensive lineman.
Grimm began his coaching career with the Washington Redskins once his playing days were over. Oddly, he began with a five year stint as the tight ends coach before spending three years as the offensive line coach. Grimm moved on to Pittsburgh to coach the Steelers' offensive line, as well as assume assistant head coaching responsibilities. He has been the offensive line coach/assistant head coach of the Arizona Cardinals since 2007.
Grimm was a candidate for the head coaching vacancy in Chicago (after Dick Jauron was fired), but was passed over for Lovie Smith. When Bill Cowher resigned as head coach of the Steelers, Grimm was again considered for the opening. Reports emerged that Grimm was given the job, only to see it wrenched from him and given to Mike Tomlin. (The third finalist for the Steelers job was Ron Rivera, another possible candidate for Buffalo to pursue.)
While Grimm picked up a Super Bowl ring during his tenure in Pittsburgh, it's worth looking at how his offensive lines did under his tutelage. Since Grimm wasn't calling the plays, it didn't seem fair to look at the offense as a whole. Instead, here is how his offensive lines did in terms of sacks surrendered and rushing rankings, along with yards per attempt - three things over which Grimm had the greatest degree of control. Keep in mind that in the "Sack" and "Rush" columns, these are league rankings, not statistical totals.
| Year | Team | Sack | Rush | Y/A |
| 1997 | WAS | 9 | 21 | 3.6 |
| 1998 | WAS | 30 | 18 | 4.2 |
| 1999 | WAS | 6 | 9 | 4.4 |
| 2000 | PIT | 19 | 4 | 4.3 |
| 2001 | PIT | 11 | 1 | 4.8 |
| 2002 | PIT | 13 | 9 | 4.1 |
| 2003 | PIT | 21 | 31 | 4.8 |
| 2004 | PIT | 14 | 2 | 4.0 |
| 2005 | PIT | 15 | 5 | 4.0 |
| 2006 | PIT | 29 | 10 | 4.2 |
| 2007 | ARI | 9 | 29 | 3.6 |
| 2008 | ARI | 12 | 32 | 3.5 |
| 2009 | ARI | 7 | 28 | 4.1 |
| AVG | 15 | 15 | 4.1 |
As you can see, Grimm's units have been all over the map in both sacks and rushing yards. There are many ways to look at these stats. For example, Ben Roethlisberger became the Steelers' QB in 2004. His tendency to hold onto the ball certainly contributed to some of the sacks Grimm's line surrendered. However, the line ranked an average of No. 19 in sacks surrendered before Roethlisberger and a shade over No. 19 after his arrival.
Likewise, the Cardinals' rushing yards have been pitiful over Grimm's time as their offensive line coach. Arizona's phenomenal passing game certainly has something to do with those rankings. Would anyone seriously try to strike a balance between running and passing with Larry Fitzgerald running wild through the secondary?
The 4.1 yards per attempt average is a bit more re-assuring. Even that, however, can be looked at in a couple of ways. Grimm's line in Washington averaged right at 4.1 yards per attempt. With the Steelers, the average was 4.3. With the Cardinals, the average drops to 3.7. It's true that he didn't have a great deal to work with - Mike Gandy, a Buffalo cast-off, has been one of his starting linemen - but his line has been facing defenses worried about the pass... which, in theory, should have translated into more yards per carry.
Opinions will vary as to whether Russ Grimm would be a successful head coach of the Buffalo Bills or anyone else. It's clear that Grimm has been associated with successful teams, both as a player and as a coach. At some point, that stops being happenstance and has to be credited to the person. Has it reached that tipping point with Grimm?
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Never thought I would say this 2 weeks ago....
….but I would now rather see the Bills hire Frazier than anyone else out there not named Bill Cowher.
coach search
i decided not to cut my hair or shave till the Bills find a head coach….so at this point i dont care who coaches..but I do like Grimm…he has a hard nose mentallity…which we desperately need!!!!
my vote is for russ
if its between grimm or frazier, i would take grimm in a heartbeat. the last thing win need is a defensive minded coach who plays the tampa 2. please ralph, stay awake long enough to do the right thing.
What if Grimm took the job and hired a defensive coordinator who ran the Tampa-2?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 18, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
The HC is the guy with the vision, the guy with a system. The guy needs to exude confidence and command respect from his players. Grimm has won Superbowls and his lines have been feared, he’s coached on superbowl caliber teams and coaching staffs – he knows what it takes and the players would really respect him. The HC needs to be able to surround himself with good coordinators that will work within the system that the HC puts in place. I suspect that a guy like Grimm would favor a power running game and really put a huge emphasis on both lines, which is exactly what needs to be done.
He’s been the assistant HC for a few years now in ARI and he’s been a big part of the turnaround there, I believe that that has prepared him well for the challenge in Buffalo.
Grimm is definitely my preferred choice. At this point, Frazier or Rivera wouldn’t be bad either. I have warmed to the idea. Many have voiced that we need to start preparing for the senior bowl, FA and the draft and I would tend to agree. I also have started to worry about the fallout if we wait too long and other jobs become available. Lastly, whoever we hire will need a good staff and the longer it takes the less chances he will have so I guess time is of the essence.
Nothing left to say...
good summary
I agree. Whlie Frazier is certainly qualified, I think given the choice of either or, Grimm is more in line with what the Bills need now. A good DC can chip the rough edges off the defense. There is something there to work with. We need someone with trench experience to develop the run game and a pocket for the wunderkind QB whomever he may be.
"If you're happy, stay happy" - Mike Riley
i also prefer Grimm over Frazier
although in terms of selling themselves this weekend, Grimm’s line got absolutely owned and got Warner crushed all day against the Saints while Frazier’s d absolutely lit up the Cowboys
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Two words
Mike Gandy
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Jan 18, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
In other words
Players, not plays.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
A coach has to have something to work with. Could Jauron have done better without all of the injuries and continued reliance on guys like Keith Ellison? Sure. Maybe not enough to field a consistent winner but, yeah, Buffalo would have likely at least had a winning season (as some point over the last four) were it not for the fact that Jauron was constantly saddled with sub-par players.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Jan 18, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
yet, didn’t jauron have a say in drafting those players?
by quantumuprising on Jan 18, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Some of them
I’m not absolving Jauron for his failures, simply pointing out that he wasn’t the only cause.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
touche, Ron!
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Potential defensive coordinators:
Keith Butler (currently LB coach Pittsburgh), rumor is that he’s waiting to take over from Dick Lebeau
Dean Pees (recently fired by NE), it’s not his fault his boss kept trading all his core players away.
Ray Rhodes (currently senior defensive assistant for Houston)
Potential offensive coordinators:
Bill Musgrave (currently QB coach Atlanta, previous OC experience)
Hue Jackson (currently QB coach Baltimore, previous OC experience)
Nothing left to say...
Rhodes has had some serious health issues over the past few years. Buffalo needs a guy who can live at OBD.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Jan 18, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I had his name down because of the experience level he brings but I agree that he’s probably not the best candidate. I would love to think that a guy like Grimm could entice Butler to come to buffalo. Ralph will have to dig deep into his pockets to entice guys to leave good situations.
Nothing left to say...
Frazier No# 1
Leslie Frazier is the man!! The Bills better have a contract offer ready as soon as the Vikings win the SB or get eliminated. They better not hesitate with Al Davis and Jerry Jones lurking about.
"If you don't have good habits you have bad habits there are no in between habits"
I'm sold. Hire Grimm now
for assistant head coach, offensive line coach. He appears pretty good at that.
Also, hire Frazier as our defensive Co-ordinator…he seems pretty good at that too.
Now, when do we start interviewing for the Head Coach position?
I think I’m in the minority, but I’m still not warming to either of these guys as HC material. I just don’t see anything in their resumes that I can point to that indicates (to me, at least) they will have success at that level.
And at the very least, if I am going to take a chance on an unproven, first time head coach, I would want that guy to bring some excitement and potential with him. A young, "up and coming" type coach. I just don’t get excited about two 50 year old guys who have been passed up for multiple head coaching positions already.
But sadly, these may be our best options.
Are there any other young, up and coming college coaches out there anyone can think of?
when has a young college coach ever worked?
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
But sadly, these may be our best options.
And not even that! Grimm might still turn us down. I still refuse to believe the Bills can’t muster a deal Cowher can’t refuse. If the Cowboys fire Wade Phillips we’re done for in the Cowher race. Actually, I would take Wade Phillips over Frazier and Grimm if he becomes available. I just dont know if he’d come back here after the owner meddled in his QB situation in the middle of a winning year.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I love the Wade Phillips idea!
Wilson: Look Wade, all is forgiven. I’ve even premptively fired the special teams coach so you dont’ have to!
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Jan 18, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
sure sign
of clinical desperation.
Per PTF, Wade appears back for another year, thankfully. No Wade, thank you.
"If you're happy, stay happy" - Mike Riley
Don't go there....
Wade has no clue what he’s doing. He’s not a leader in the locker room. He’ll be another Jauron. I’d go with anyone but Wade Phillips.
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It's a pipedream
ain’t happening…..Why would Grimm or Frazier leave their current playoff caliber teams to come to a non-playoff caliber team (for the last decade for that matter) for the same position?
Unless it’s a promotion, Grimm won’t be OL coach and Frazier won’t be DC for the Bills.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 19, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
After this coaching search is over, can I suggest
we take some time to really delve into what this all means (the fact that the Bills are getting turned down by multiple candidates)?
Can I suggest articles discussing:
1.) On the surface, each coach that turned us down appears to have valid reasons. But does the collective number of turndowns indicate a bigger problem here? Is the HC position of the Buffalo Bills not as attractive as other HC positions?
2.) If yes, has it always been less attractive? If it hasn’t always been less attractive, how did we recently get to this place?
3.) Would it have been "better" to not even try and go after the "big name" coaches, since if we know they are going to turn us down in most cases, it just re-enforces negative perceptions of the Buffalo Bills?
4.) Are we sure we know that these "turndowns" are only because people don’t want to coach here? Put another way, do we know for sure that Ralph was willing to meet any demands their main candidates had for accepting the job?
5.) Did it even get to that point with Cowher, Shanahan? Did the discussions with these guys even get to the point where it came down to money discussions, or control of player decisions, ect?
6.) If we are willing to accept that our HC position is the least desirable in the league and we have that disadvantage, what can we do about it? Can we trade for a coach? Do we hire unproven, but potential-laden college coaches and hope they turn into the next Vince Lombardi? Or do we hire NFL co-ordinators who have been passed on by multiple NFL head coaches jobs already? Do we hire a player/coach like they used to have in the NBA? (haha, that would be sweet). Do we go with no head coach? Do we spend more on players?
I would be very interested in having these discussions at a later date.
It's my opinion that if you can't compete with the rest of the league because of an inherent disadvantage(s)
then you need to "change the game".
If your playing basketball against someone a foot taller than you, and constantly drive the lane but get rejected every time….well, maybe it’s time to develop a good outside shot.
Russ Grimm, Leslie Frazier, if these are the guys left for us to hire (guys passed over for multiple head coaching positions, aka, guys any other team could have had but ultimately didn’t want….also obviously not the Bills first choices), then maybe you go in a completely different direction.
Hire someone with a revolutionary offensive scheme? Wasn’t there a high school offense recently that used every guy in motion? Just an example.
I think when faced with a problem like the Bills apparantly have, you need to think outside the box. Not just hire your 4th or 5th choice just because they are the only people seemingly interested.
by StroudFanClub on Jan 18, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
The uncertainty is what is killing us!
Number 1 reason for our troubles: 91 year old owner with no plan (also with a reputation for meddling and being frugal at times)
then there are other good reasons such as:
2a: lack of talent (many players away from being a contender)
2b: no QB
2c: no LT
3a: AFC East, it’s a scary to play Rex twice, Bellicheat twice and then the tuna twice.
3b: very small market
3c: crazy a$$ fans that put up billboards to fire coaches
Nothing left to say...
While those reasons are certainly valid
The MAIN reason is its Buffalo. B-U-F-F-A-L-O! If its those same problems you’ve mentiones but in Dallas or Philly or any other city are we getting turned down?… NO! We’ve all lived in Western NY and for most of us it wasn’t by choice… we were born there. Taxes in NY suck. Weather sucks. Owner sucks. Fan base is small (but loyal), its hard to get free agents to even want to come here. Why would a coach want to take a job that he knows is going to be just one obstacle after another?… can you really blame them? I’m as die hard as they come but I’m also realistic.
all good points
but on the other hand consider someone like Kelly. All of what you enumerate went through Kelly’s head the day he was drafted. Yet, here he is today, a Buffalo (not just Bills) booster. How many others came because of a sports job and stayed long after? Tasker, Scotty Bowman, etc.
It is this type of thought that we need to hold onto. In speaking of the City, the nation has it wrong, the residents know better. Many sports figures are no longer in sports but are still residents.
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Can I suggest articles discussing:
So get writing! You can put up a fanpost covering these issues and get lots of feedback. Alternately, you could go with 3 or 4 fanposts over 3-4 weeks of the offseason and get even more feedback.
But does the collective number of turndowns indicate a bigger problem here?
The elephant in the room is Ralph Wilson and the lack of a succession plan. Any GM or coach could be fired any day simply because the team has been sold (following Wilson’s death) to a billionaire who wants another coach/GM to run his new toy. Would you leave a high paying job you enjoyed where you had a modicum of security for a promotion where you could lose your (higher paying) job at any moment?
If yes, has it always been less attractive? If it hasn’t always been less attractive, how did we recently get to this place?
I don’t think it has always been an issue simply because Wilson wasn’t quite so old. Also, the differences in large market and small market teams weren’t so pronounced in the Pre-Jones/Snyder era. Throw in the fact that Buffalo has been shrinking for decades (Thanks, Albany!) and Buffalo wasn’t in the same position 20 years ago.
3.) Would it have been “better” to not even try and go after the “big name” coaches, since if we know they are going to turn us down in most cases, it just re-enforces negative perceptions of the Buffalo Bills?
So, you’ve never hit on a hot chick for fear of looking bad in front of the other people at the bar when she shot you down? Buffalo’s fans would have howled in outrage had the Bills not at least attempted to woo some of the available coaches.
Put another way, do we know for sure that Ralph was willing to meet any demands their main candidates had for accepting the job
?
Wilson said he was willing to kick in $10 million a year for a coach. Several people who cover the league have said that Buffalo’s inability to reel in a guy like Cowher wasn’t related to money for the coach. In Cowher’s case, I read that his concern was that Buffalo wouldn’t provide an enormous amount of money he’d have to chase free agents.
6.) If we are willing to accept that our HC position is the least desirable in the league
It’s not. Oakland is clearly—and by a wide margin—the least desirable head coaching job in the NFL. With that said, Buffalo is just as clearly one of the least desirable….possibly just one rung up on the ladder from Oakland.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Jan 18, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Re: Me writing fanpost about this
I was just assuming that nobody would want to hear my thoughts on the situation.
I know I would be much more interested in hearing Brian’s perspective on some of these issues.
Furthermore, I would think that authors of a blog would welcome readers input as to what type of subjects they would be interested in reading about. Instead of guessing.
by StroudFanClub on Jan 18, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I’m sure Brian appreciates the ideas but I don’t think he’d have an issue with anyone putting up a well thought out fanpost.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Jan 18, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Nail, meet head.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 18, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Would you leave a high paying job you enjoyed where you had a modicum of security for a promotion where you could lose your (higher paying) job at any moment?
In that scenario, i.e Ralph passing & new owner firing HC, wouldn’t the coach get paid anyway?
"If you're happy, stay happy" - Mike Riley
Yes, but do you want to blow your one shot at a head coaching job on what turns out to be a, say, 3 month stint?
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Jan 18, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
where you could lose your (higher paying) job at any moment?
Isn’t that why they invented guaranteed contracts? Whoever buys the team would be contractually obligated.
So, you’ve never hit on a hot chick for fear of looking bad in front of the other people at the bar when she shot you down?
LOL, besides once we get to the fat chick in the corner, we both have a mutual understanding of what we both are… Sad but true, we will wind up with what we deserve.
I read that his concern was that Buffalo wouldn’t provide an enormous amount of money he’d have to chase free agents.and they say he ain’t cheap! Who’s kidding who?
Oakland is clearly—and by a wide margin—the least desirable head coaching job in the NFLAt least our problem is 91 years old and we don’t have that much longer to suffer. Al Davis is like a spring chicken compared to Ralph, at least 10+ years left in him.
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bro....
At least our problem is 91 years old and we don’t have that much longer to suffer. Al Davis is like a spring chicken compared to Ralph, at least 10+ years left in him.
ouch! low blow…..
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I call them as I see them! We all know what the problem is, might as well get it out in the open.
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Please don’t classify your statement as “we all” know what the problem is. I disagree with you and I believe that anyone who whines about Wilson needs to get over it. He has been as loyal to Buffalo as his fans are to him. Of course he is involved in decision making, why not? Every owner has to be at some point. Hell, its his team isnt it? There is not an owner in the league that doesnt have say.
I believe the basing of Ralph needs to stop and we need to be focused on supporting the Bills as a whole as we always do. Through thick and thin, whining and cheering we are always there no matter what. The way I see it, no matter who we bring in this year, we will still be bad in 2010. But, I am going to keep hoping things will turn around. NOBODY was basing Wilson when we were winning in the 90’s.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~
Basing = Bas"h"ing. :) That couldn’t sound good when I am trying to stick up for Ralph. LOL
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~
By the tone of your reply
I figured you were 93 years old and were writting it like you pronounce it without you’re dentures… LOL :))
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Sorry
Didn’t mean to include you in my “we”
I never said I would not continue to be a season ticket holder and support the Bills. But I am also not stupid and I can see where the problem lies. And unlike you, I choose to voice my discontent. I like many others am not very happy at the lack of respect we are getting from the “would-be” candidates. You can defend him all you want, a 91 year old man should not be running a professional football team. The uncertainty that he is creating our problem.
we will still be bad in 2010. But, I am going to keep hoping things will turn around
Empty hope serves what purpose? We are discussing where we think the problem is, fixing that could go a long way to re-establishing the Bills on the map. Choose to ignore the problems, doping nothing different and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
So again, I am sorry to have used the word “we”. I will re-phrase it to the majority of fans know and accept what the problem is.
Nothing left to say...
Have you seen Al Davis lately? I wouldn’t be surprised to see Wilson outlive him.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Jan 18, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Al Davis has survived the last decade on a diet of cigarettes and hate.
it wouldn’t surprise me if he died tomorrow. It’s also possible that he’s gone cockroach and could survive to the next ice age.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
If it looks like a cockroach
smells like a cockroach and walks like a cockroach… LOL
I’m glad I’m not a Raider fan!
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i think rasputin did too.
raider fan may have another 2 decades to endure.
by quantumuprising on Jan 18, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Grimm vs. Frazier
In my opinion Russ Grimm would bring the perfect mentality to this team. He’s a hard nosed SOB and by him being here and motivating the players we currently have and also the players we’re going to have, this will be a much tougher team. On the flip side of this, I have absolutely no doubt after doing some light reading on Frazier that he will definately command the respect of the locker room and he will be prepared week in and week out. To me it doesn’t seem like there’s a wrong choice here! IMO both of these guys are excellent candidates for the job.
Can we PLEASE wait to find out if Grimm is even INTERESTED in being our coach before annointing him? This is the same crap that got everyone mad over Cowher! We KNOW Frazier IS interested (for now anyway).
To be clear, I’m not annointing Grimm. I’m not even expressly endorsing Grimm, though I do think he’d be a good choice. The guy has been around successful franchises as a player and as a coach. That doesn’t mean that he’s the absolute best option for the Bills.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Jan 18, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
If you want to crown him, then crown his as$!
by StroudFanClub on Jan 18, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
To be clear, I’m not annointing Grimm.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Jan 18, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I know that, I just wanted to use that quote there, that's all
by StroudFanClub on Jan 18, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Hah, well if that's what we're doing
THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
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how about going after guys that are interested like brian billick, jim fassel or mike martz..why haven’t these guys been interviewed? they all have their faults but they are proven winners. if you are drowning and a canoe comes by and you still drown because you are waiting for a boat, who’s fault is that
If you’re drowning and someone comes along in a canoe and offers you an anchor (Billick and Martz clearly, Fassel maybe) why on earth would you grab onto it? Buffalo is interviewing people who will hopefully turn the team around—not just continue the Jauronian Era.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Jan 18, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
If Ralph DOES live to be 167, like we all believe he will….I wonder if this experience- being shunned by so many coaches will cause him to have an epiphany and not let the Bills sink to this level ever again if Nix and the next coach can help get us out of it. Probably wishful thinking, but it would sure be great.
Pretty Please...
Now that the Chargers and Cards have been eliminated from the playoffs maybe if Ralph says “Pretty Please” Rivera an Grimm will make time in their very busy schedule to grant the Bills an interview.
"If you don't have good habits you have bad habits there are no in between habits"
Maybe we should ask Patriots, Jets and Dolphins fans
what they think of the Bills potentially hiring Leslie Frazier or Russ Grimm?
After all, when I heard that Bill Parcells was going to Miami and Rex Ryan was going to be the new coach of New York, I was pissed and worried because I knew those guys would have their teams winning in no time. I could just feel it. Anyone else have those same feelings?
I have a feeling we would not get the same reaction from other team’s fans if we hired Grimm or Frazier. Does anyone disagree?
I like Grimm
I like his attitude, I like his track record and I like his moustache.
Is he my #1? No, but Cowher isn’t coming, and if he is, it’s not as if they’ll pick Grimm over him.
I’m not too worried about him being 50 or so and not having had a shot yet. Offensive Line guys don’t get as many opportunities as guys who were QB coaches because they’re rarely seen as gurus or offensive wunderkinds (perhaps because they aren’t.) The steelers, an organization that does virtually everything right, thought he was about 99% of the guy they wanted. A guy who was top 2 for them? Frankly, given the amount of respect the job has with the bills in their current position, the steelers’ second choice is good enough for me.
To be frank, though, Frazier is probably good enough for me too.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
my favorite thing about Grimm is how well he fits the demeanor of the city.
Everyone else in our division has found a guy who fits their base- Ryan is loud, aggressive and obnoxious. Of course he coaches New York. Belichek is brilliant, scheming and condescending. Perfect for New England. The Big Tuna fits perfectly in Florida because of their well-known love for sportfish. I like the idea of Buffalo getting a tough, blue collar guy to go along with Buffalo as a city.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Jan 18, 2010 12:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If Grimm hasn't already interviewed by now
The Bills should cross off his name as a HC candidate.
Seriously. I want a HC who is eager for the job. Grimm knew the Bills asked for an interview some time ago. If he is eager, he should be thinking about the time it takes to assemble his staff, and jump to an opportunity to interview to get things rolling.
To me, the delay shows he is either:
1)Not that interested in the job; or
2)Not a well prepared kind of person.
In both case, I’d axe him as a potential candidate.
Bills fan half way around the world
If Grimm hasn’t already interviewed by now
Prior to yesterday, the guy was in the playoffs. He stated he had “important things to do” to prepare his team not MORE important things, plus, there are league rules on interviewing staff during the playoffs, i.e. he couldn’t! Are you saying, he should have gotten on his cell phone yesterday and called the Bills on his way off the field? . And, if he didn’t, scratch him off the list? Absurd.
"If you're happy, stay happy" - Mike Riley
What's the problem with interviewing today?
Or arranged for the interview today? If he’s eager, he’d have done that.
Bills fan half way around the world
When would he have done that? From the locker room?
“Sorry about the loss guys, but while you’re all weeping I’m going to call up Ralph Wilson and see about getting myself a better gig. Been nice knowing you.”
If the interview isn’t set up today or tomorrow and completed by the end of the week then, yeah, it’s probably best to cross him off the list. Remember, Buffalo isn’t in a hurry as Nix really was impressed by Frazier…..and Frazier can’t be hired until after the Vikes lose in New Orleans next week.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
I think before he agrees to interview
He must be willing to take the job, so I’m OK with him taking a few days to think about it first. Let’s face it boys, we’re that fat ugly chick in the corner and Grimm needs to determine how hard up he really is.
Nothing left to say...
I’m kind of surprised at how evenly the voting is going. I figured that it would be pretty clear one way or another.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
My vote is for Frazier. His defenses have stopped some of the best offenses in the league, who knows better how to beat a good defense (see Tony Dungy, Marvin Lewis, etc.). They’ve also been good for more than one year showing the strength of his scheme rather than average individual players having good years (see Aaron Schobel).
His track record is impeccable.
He developed the Eagles secondary that became one of, if not the, best secondaries in the league inside of four years. Hell, look at what Brian Dawkins did for Denver’s secondary in just one season. Frazier hand-raised the man.
The Bengals’ defense had 36 takeaways in 2004 (3rd in the NFL). And in one year he took one of the bottom 5 defenses in the league, and without much personnel turnover, almost moved them into the top half of the league (19th)
The year they won the Super Bowl, he was named “Special Assistant to the Head Coach” by Dungy and given exclusive control of their secondary. In one year the Colts’s D moved from 15th to 2nd in the league. Truly impressive considering how often teams have to play catch-up to Indy. Not a whole of runnin’ goin’ on if you know what I mean.
And finally, look at Minnesota’s D. UNREAL!! They destroyed Dallas, the hottest team in the league at that time. He held Jones and Barber to 83 yards on 22 carries (<4 per) and sacked Romo 6 times and hit him like 50! But most telling, was the interview with the four linemen prior to the game. All extrememly confident while remaining somehow humble at the same time.
Q: “How do you guys dominate opposing Offensive lines so consistently?”
A: “Coach says Stop The Run and the rest will follow, so that’s what we do!”
NUFF SAID!
Confucius say, "Man who go to bed with itchy butt, wake up with smelly finger."
i guess the Schobel haters
will keep calling him average despite what the facts say
average individual players having good years (see Aaron Schobel).
6 seasons with 8 or more sacks
4 seasons with double digit sacks
7 seasons with 50 or more tackles
19 career forced fumbles
Aaron Schobel is not an average player who had a good year. He is a great player who has been consistently great except when he was hurt.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
good, not great.
IMO. he’s never been a “great” passrusher, he’s been a force the way that Freeney or Peppers or Kearse was. What he has been is very very good very consistently, for a long time.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
8 sacks for a 4-3 DE is average at best. He’s consistently injured which speaks to his conditioning and physical competitiveness. 50 tackles for a 4-3 DE is again average at best. I will give you the forced fumble stat. He is adept at stripping the ball but he is by no means a great DE.
Anyway, all I was getting at is that Frazier has been able to do remarkable things defensively with (until Minnesota) average personnel which speaks to his preparation and the effectiveness of his schemes.
Confucius say, "Man who go to bed with itchy butt, wake up with smelly finger."




















