Billick, Brian Schottenheimer expected to interview
Pro Football Talk is reporting that former Baltimore head coach Brian Billick is going to interview for the Buffalo Bills' head coaching job next week. Mike Florio is also reporting that Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer will interview for the position as well, though it doesn't give a timeline. In a word, yuck.
Billick squandered nine years of absolutely suffocating defenses because he couldn't figure out how to develop a quarterback. He parlayed one terrific season in Minnesota (with Daunte Culpepper on fire and a motivated Randy Moss) into the head coaching job in Baltimore. He was hired specifically to bring in offensive firepower to mate with that terrific defense, and was an abject failure. Yes, he did win a Super Bowl, but it was in spite of his offense and not because of it.
Schottenheimer hasn't been impressive as the Jets' offensive coordinator. While Mark Sanchez took the league by storm right out of the gate, he cooled down significantly as the year went along. It kind of sounds like Buffalo's experience last season, when Trent Edwards shredded opposing defenses before going into a shell after the Chargers game.
Personally, I'm hoping that neither of these guys gets the nod. Thoughts?
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No mystery how I voted
Of the candidates the Bills are reportedly interested in (and who haven’t told Buffalo to piss off) I’d put these two way down on the list. And then maybe tear off the portion of the list with their names on it. And eat it.
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by Ron From NM on Jan 2, 2010 6:10 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
and then after it finished the digestive process, I would burn it.
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No Regurgitation?
In this case I would highly consider regurgitated it myself after digesting. LOL
Let the offseason begin
I would never eat that filth.
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by JPH on Jan 3, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Almost 100% right
Good post, and I agree with you on both accounts.
Must correct you on one point though.. It wasnt Culpepper who was the QB in 1998 that helped parlay Billick into a HC gig. It was Randall Cunningham.
Moss was also motivated beause he was a rookie that year (who had 17 TDs!). They also had Chris Carter at the time.
But anyway, I completely agree with you about him. He should’ve won multiple championships in Baltimore.
Sorry I have to give a shout out to my personal choice.
I still don’t see why the Bills haven’t considered Mike Martz. He is an offense innovator who has consistently proven that he can help revitalize an offense. And our offense really sucks.
Because he’s as bad at personnel evaluation and defensive coaching as he is good at offensive innovation.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Jan 2, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why I’d love to have him on as an OC, but would never consider him for a HC.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 2, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Because a 56-36 record is such a terrible thing. Also making it to the super bowl, NFL title game twice, and making the playoff’s 3 out of the 4 years he coached. Besides personnel evaluation is as much if not more of the responsibility of the GM as opposed to the head coach. Also if Martz was to be head coach he would probably keep Fewell as DC because they are familiar with each other, and Fewell’s defenses haven’t been terrible even under Jauron.
He is only good for passing offense with an amazing O Line
He is a very good Offense pass happy play caller. But there is a reason he was sucessful with the Rams, the line was dominant!
He is not the right HC for our team. He would be worse here than he was in Detroit.
Let the offseason begin
All of Martz’s success came with a pass happy dome team that spread the field, ran complex and slow developing routes and used mininal QB protection. You just can’t do that with this OL, the weather in Buffalo and a young (probably a rookie starter at some point soon) QB. Mike Martz run offenses typically take about 50 sacks per season (Buffalo QBs have been sacked 46 times this year). And his run to pass ratio in Detroit was about 19 runs per game to 39 pass plays per game. Even in San Fran with JT O’Sullivan at QB and Frank Gore at RB, they were a pass heavy team and that was with the run first Mike Singletary being promoted to head coach halfway through the season. Martz’s complex and pass heavy system is the single last scheme you want to develop a young QB in.
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by kaisertown on Jan 2, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d. This is Martz in a nutshell. Add to the fact that no soon-to-be-available veteran QB fits the skillsets of a “Martz QB,” and it’s a recipe for disaster in Buffalo. People will point to Kolb, but he’s hardly a vet, with 2 career games – 3 if you count that massacre against Baltimore a couple seasons ago.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 3, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
just tossing out the first line of Martz's wikipedia page.
“Martz is known for creating complicated offensive schemes, that consume him, particularly in the passing game.”
What? They consume him?
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by JPH on Jan 3, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
I would pass on both as well although,
I do want someone with experience, with a strong contingent at the coordinator positions. Billick does satisfy the experience portion better than many. I am perfectly fine with The Buddy Nix selection, in fact I think it is great. I honestly think we can stop talking about Bill Cowher almost immediately unless the Bills are going to play against him. The big splash I am looking for is still coming in the front office. We have a couple weeks to discuss coaching canidates, I am still focusing on this big splash. We are by-passing something right in front of us. That is Buddy Nix retired and we brought him back. The man is to valuable to be retired, hense the hiring to GM. I am thinking that the big splash will be the replacements of Modrak and Guy. Such as Telesco and or Gabriel. Telesco is not going any further in Indianapolis, Bill’s son is there. We could bring this guy in and get him comfy for the Promotion to GM in 3-5 years. With the background these people have covered and the foundation they can build. I still would be happy with a Jim Haslett at head coach.
Jim would jump at this job and Ralph is willing to see it through to his end. His experience around the League isn’t the brightest but not many have been there first time around. Buddy needs to get things in order before we can lure any kind of Bill Cowher here.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
Interesting thought about Telesco
But while i agree he’s not going to get promoted further in Indianapolis, I’d say he’s still in prime position to become a GM. I don’t see why he’d make a lateral move for the guarantee of becoming GM in 3-5 years. I’d be stunned if he isn’t a GM elsewhere in the next 2 years.
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by JPH on Jan 3, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Billick is OK
Why all the hate for Billick? We like to always blame him for not developing a quarterback, but we always give a free pass to everybody’s favorite Gm Ozzie Newsome and Eric De costa . Let us not forget these two were the one’s that drafted Kyle Bollier (bust) and signed free agents like Elvis Grbac. I don’t know if I want him to coach the Bills but i think he is a good prospect. Also he has shown he can get top of the line coordinators. Mike Nolan, Rex Ryan on Defense. Jim fassel on offense.
No Hate Here
The post was narrowed to Billick and B. Schottenhiemer. Just not a top 4 or 5 choice.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
good point
everyone wants to point out that Billick couldnt generate an Offense or develop a QB, but no one ever blames Ozzie or Decosta.
Lets face, finding a Franchise QB is very difficult. But who ever the coach is, having the Franchise QB will be better in the long run than an above average coach and no QB.
Let the offseason begin
At some point an offensive guru, as Billick was made out to be in Minny, has to field a good offense—not great but at least good. Billick didn’t manage that. He played a Jauronian play-not-to-lose style. Unlike Jauron, of course, Billick had a tremendous defense.
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Yeah, that was a historic defense. When Baltimore won the Super Bowl, they allowed points 10.3 points per game during the regular season. Their defense only gave up 2.7 yards per carry and forced 49 turnovers including an absurd 45 forced and 26 recovered fumbles. They allowed playoff point totals of 3, 10, 3 and then 7 in the Super Bowl. It certainly didn’t take an offensive guru to win that Super Bowl.
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marvin lewis also was the DC when they won it all in Balitimre
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by BRIANMULHALL on Jan 2, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Billick, i can live with… Schottenheimer, really? the guy is an OC on a team with an awful offense, if we go for a OC for HC go after a team that plays good offense. I like Mike Martz for HC is we can’t get one of the big names
I like Martz's O's the only issue we would have is our Oline blows chunks aside from the OG spots
You need a stud OLine to have any success with a Martz offense
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
I wouldnt call the best running team in the NFL an awful offense
Especially for a team that every defense knows it’s going to run against. With a rookie QB, he is only 17th in the league in PPG with 21.8. Not what I would consider awful. I would personally love the Jets style of offense in Buffalo. Thomas Jones, Leon Washington, and Shonn Greene ran all over opponents this season.
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NO WAY to Schottenheimer.
I think Mike Martz will get an interview. Monday/Tuesday will be a big day.
No Doubt.
If they hire Brian Schottenheimer, I will flat out flip out as I am sure many will.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 2, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
I like the post. I would prefer someone who has had success no matter what the talent level is. Your right, he did not fix the offense in Baltimore, so I don’t have faith in him fixing our offense.
Schottenheimer, no way. Like people said, I’d prefer Martz over Schottenheimer.
Hire Martz for OC........ not head coach.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 2, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like that idea either.
Martz is way too pass happy for Buffalo, he can’t restrain himself enough to stick with the run.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 2, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
if they want to go the Proven guy route than Im all about Billick........
he wouldnt be my first overall choice…..but he would be at the top of the available “proven” guys.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 2, 2010 7:32 PM EST reply actions
I’ve never been a Billick fan. An offensive guru who had crappy offenses and could never find a QB when he was a head coach? No thanks. The Bills could sure do a lot worse though and Brian Schottenheimer is an example of that.
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by kaisertown on Jan 2, 2010 7:39 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
That’s how I feel so I’ll just rec it instead of typing it.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 2, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Dead on
Simply, Dead ON
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
I tried to rec this 1000 times, but it only worked once.
totally giving this the Rec’ing Ball.
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by JPH on Jan 3, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for calling it the rec'ing ball
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by poz on Jan 3, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions
Couldn’t agree more. As much as Billick suck as a HC, I think Brian Schottenheimer would be even worse, especially as he’s already a very average offensive playcaller with average offenses. No way he gets the job
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 3, 2010 3:54 AM EST up reply actions
No fan of Billick here either.
Or Martz, only way I would take Billick is if he has darn good OC i could believe in that he could bring with him, like if Kubiak got fired and would come as OC/assistant HC
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
Yeah, I hate the idea of Martz calling the plays or being the HC even more than I do Brian Schottenheimer.
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Billick's my top choice
He built a consistent winner in Baltimore and I blame the lack of offensive firepower on Ozzie Newsome’s baby, Kyle Boller simply not being an NFL QB. Baltimore’s offenses were never elite, but they did what they had to do. They ran the ball well and let their defense win a lot of games…I’d hire Billick in a heart beat; his resume of WINNING is something Buffalo needs at this point to make them credible again.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
sorry, in my mind at some point the buck stops with the coach.
That’s why Dungy got the boot in Tampa, and that’s why he deserves credit for assembling a competent defense while not screwing up the offense. Billick never assembled a good enough offense to contend for a title year-in-year-out, which is precisely what he was hired to do.
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by JPH on Jan 3, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
What's so wrong with Billick?
He would not be my first choice, but I don’t understand how people bash him for the offense in Baltimore. Yes, he partially might have had something to do with putting players in place (although that is more the GM), but look what he had to work with. I think quite the opposite; he did quite an admiral job. You don’t win a Super Bowl in spite of a specific part of your team: that makes absolutely no sense.
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That’s the thing. I think he had a lot to work with. He had Jamal Lewis and Priest Holmes and then Chester Taylor in the backfield. A great OL lead by a hall of fame LT in Jonathon Ogden. A hall of famer, granted in his 30s, in Shannon Sharpe and a first round TE and great player in Todd Heap after that. They never had great WRs, but Quadry Ismael was pretty good, they took some guys in the early rounds who never developed like Travis Taylor, Patrick Johnson and Mark Clayton. It was Baltimore who drafted Brandon Stokely in the 4th round. Derek Mason was there for the last three seasons of Billick’s tenure.
How Billick only had average offenses despite solid players and a dominant defense is beyond me.
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You don’t win a Super Bowl in spite of a specific part of your team: that makes absolutely no sense
Is it that hard for an offensive coach to win a super bowl when your defense gives up 3, 10, 3 and 7 points in their four playoff games? They were only the 4th seed in the playoffs despite a defense that allowed 10.3 points per game and had 49 turnovers.
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I'm OK with Billick
He had Trent Dilfer as a QB and knew enough to adjust from an air attack to pounding the football with Jamal Lewis.
Elvis Grbac was already a developed QB but flopped in Baltimore. Grbac was a WC QB and Billick runs a Coryall-type downfield passing attack.
Kyle Boller was just a bad draft pick. Newsome didn’t want to draft him, but Billick was impressed with his physical tools. He never panned out.
So, Billick had one QB to develop and didn’t. Boller was similar to Losman: big arm, great physical skills, but probably not NFL QB material mentally.
Don't forget.
Chris Redman,
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 2, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
How could anyone forget Chris Redman!
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by JPH on Jan 3, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
I’m kind of surprised at how evenly the poll is running between Billick and No Thanks To Both. There’s a lot more love in Billsnation for Billick than I would have guessed.
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Billick was at least a head coach, may not have been great. He may at least know how to manage the clock.
Let the offseason begin
And so far.
The only interview leaked that has HC experience, though hopefully that will change come the end of the season.
I hate to say this but I am really hoping the Patriots, give Houston, a Titans style beatdown from earlier this season, so Kubiak goes on the market.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 2, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe not love but like
I guess my thoughts are he is a good coach not great but good. The Bills could do a lot worse. And the names being mentioned. Fewel, Rivera, Schott, and Billick. Of those I would take him first. But he is not my first choice. I can live with him though.
Also fine with Billick
In fairness, his reputation was based on more than that one spectacular season. Some stats:
In seven seasons he had a top 7 offense four times and also a 11th ranked offense. Thats not bad. Even in Baltimore, his offenses weren’t always god awful. In nine seasons they scored under 300 points only twice. The Bills have done that five times in the last nine seasons.
One thing I would like to point out, and I think this was alluded to above, is that Billick has been pretty consistent in bringing talented coordinators. Rex Ryan, Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan, and Mike Singletary all served on his staff.
I’m personally hoping that I’ll hear Mike Zimmer’s name mentioned if we’re going with a guy who has never been a head coach before. He did a great job in Dallas for multiple head coaches and is continuing to do a great job in Cincy.
Agree with PozDispenser
I totally agree with your post. What intrigues me is the thought that Billick will bring in top notch assistants. Plus he had above average running attacks with lewis.
But on the Mike Zimmer thoughts, I would like him more than any other defensive cord. that we could interview. Like him much more than Rivera.
I will add Jack Del Rio and Mike Smith as 2 other former Billick assistants who are currently head coaches in the NFL. On offense, while not particularly successful, he did attract Jim Fassell and Rick Neuheisel to his staff. Both guys are well-respected offensive minds. The ability to attract quality assistant coaches is a huge plus for any potential head coaching candidate.
Amen.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 3, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
In points per game, Baltimore’s offenses scored and ranked:
1999 – 20.2 ppg – 14th
2000 – 20.8 ppg – 14th
2001 – 18.9 ppg – 18th
2002 – 19.8 ppg – 23rd
2003 – 24.4 ppg – 8th
2004 – 19.8 ppg – 20th
2005 – 16.6 ppg – 25th
2006 – 22.1 ppg – tie for 12th
2007 – 17.2 ppg – 24th
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And that is with.
Great defenses who got turnovers a plenty.
If Billick could get a great OC to come with him though I could trust, I’m open.
This could be the alternate plan, if we don’t get the first tier HC.
Get a proven HC that won’t cost 10 mil, use the difference to overpay top notch coordinators who failed as HCs, in their first stints. Could be the plan.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 2, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
So thats one top 10 finish in 9 seasons with a decent receiving corps (Mason and always had great TE’s like Heap and Sharpe), outstanding runners (Jamaal Lewis and Preist Holmes) and one of the best lines in football (with a HOF LT). Simply unacceptable for an “offensive guru.”
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 2, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Tony Banks, Kyle Boller, Anthony Wright, Chris Redman, Trent Dilfer, Elvis Grbac. Name me a team who was able to field a consistently high level offense without competent QB play? Criticize him for not developing a QB, but I think he got the most out of the talent available to him. He knew what he had- A solid O-line (but unspectacular outside of Ogden), and a punishing RB and played that way. And that’s what I would expect him to do- Evaluate our strengths and weaknesses and try to play to those strengths.
I’m not expecting him to come in and magically fix the offense. I want him to come in and win whatever way he can. As mentioned above, he knows coaching talent, and I find it strange that Billick gets no credit for the defense that he fielded during his tenure in Baltimore. He deserves some credit for finding that talent at least.
That all said, if I had my druthers there are a bunch of other coaches I’d rather have. I’m just saying that we should not dismiss Billick’s actual achievements by lingering on his expected achievements. I don’t care if we score 10 points a game, as long as we win.
The ONLY way I have Billick as my HC is if we get Kubiak or Weiss as the OC
And a stud DC comes here along with him, say Fox if he gets canned and no other job appears for him, but in that situation, give me Fox as HC LOOOOOOOOOONG before Billick
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
I think you’re underestimating Billick a bit, but if John Fox were available I’d take him in a heartbeat.
i really hope that John Fox turns down Carolina
what an insult it is to come back and be a lame duck coach when everyone knows there will be serious demand for Fox as a free agent….i seriously hope we get Fox even more than i want Cowher i want Fox he is a great HC IMO…i like Billick but not my first choice Fox is my first choice
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by BRIANMULHALL on Jan 2, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yea i like Ron Rivera too
he is my number two choice
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by BRIANMULHALL on Jan 2, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
I am lukewarm.
On Rivera unless he could get a really good OC. No question he has made a difference with the Chargers on D, and the Bears have been regressing since he was let go, but who could he get to fix this offense? That is the real question, that he will have to answer in an interview.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 2, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
he will have to assemble a staff of quality offensive people to work under him…i hope he does if hired
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by BRIANMULHALL on Jan 3, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I believe one writer referred to Billick as a ‘preening schmo’. Which I believe is right on. Reminds me too much of Gregg Williams.
I think its amusing that once Billick left, the Ravens suddenly got themselves an offense.
Don’t know enough about Schotty except that he can build himself a nice O-Line, which would be a good thing for BFLO, and has a good 1-2 running game, which we could emulate with out backs.
Would like a hungry young coordinator from a successful organization, but not sure who is the guy I’d target. I’d guess Rivera would fit that, esp with (what I suppose is) his relationship with Nix, he might be near the front of the pack.
by T McGee on Jan 2, 2010 10:29 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I think its amusing that once Billick left, the Ravens suddenly got themselves an offense.
The 24.1 points per game that Baltimore scored last year (up 7 ppg from the year before) was two points better than every season that Billick was in charge except for one. And they did it with a rookie QB from a DII school.
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Rec McReccerson.
I think its amusing that once Billick left, the Ravens suddenly got themselves an offense.
great point.
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by JPH on Jan 3, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
that just shows how important the QB position is in the NFL
trumps all other things …the HC the GM and the owner … a franchise QB is the most important thing in the NFL Today Billik never had that in Baltimore but look at what he did in Minnesota with Cunningham he sets records broken only by the 2007 patriots…so while he never developed a franchise QB in Balt. when he had a good QB he made it happen… so just like Ralph said some of life is Luck…is john harbaugh or MIke smith a great coach without Ryan or Flacco maybe or maybe not is bellicheck a great coach with out Brady not in cleveland anyway so it takes the stars alligning to make it work
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by BRIANMULHALL on Jan 3, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t know enough about Schotty except that he can build himself a nice O-Line, which would be a good thing for BFLO, and has a good 1-2 running game, which we could emulate with out backs.
They signed a bunch of former first round picks to big free agent deals. Not really on Schotty.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 3, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Billick had more success than
Belliceck had his first time as a head coach. I think Billick may take the challenge of going against Bellichek and run with it.
While Billick wouldn't be my first choice, I wouldn't flip out if he were picked
Maybe instead of hiring a HC, we could do like the WWE and have a different one every Sunday? I think that way some of you can be happy once in awhile :-)
Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!
If you like the WWE
maybe we could convert Mark Henry to a Dlineman. There’s a widebody who is an immovable force that could stuff 2 gaps and three lineman :)
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 3, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
*Is banging head on desk because the Bills are considering them*
Billick I get, he’s not horrible. But he’s an offensive bust in Baltimore. He head more than a few good QB prospects to develop and now all of them are out of the league. If we’re going to hire an offensive guy, I want it to be someone that can actually develop a QB.
As for B. Shotty, well lets just say that the apple that fell out of the tree was actually an orange. Brian is nowhere near the coach that his dad was, and shouldn’t even really be coaching in this league. But since he is coaching in this league, I’d much rather him stay the inept offensive coordinator of one of New York Jets then him be our Head Coach.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 2, 2010 11:32 PM EST reply actions
not saying Brian Schotty is a good coordinator
but even a good OC would probably have issues with JP Jr.
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 2, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
that's a bold prediction.
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by JPH on Jan 3, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
I hope that they do see him as a franchise QB. ‘Cause I don’t think that he’ll ever be better then when he was at USC.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 3, 2010 3:34 AM EST up reply actions
Cowher maybe?
interesting blog at pro football talk about Tampa keeping Morris as their coach. If that happens and Carolina keeps Fox . Florio sums it up by saying Buffalo might be his only option.
I hope the Big Splash
comes mid January and it is Cowher,
you might be right, we might be the only ones left in the running willing to up the cash.
A perfect storm :)
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 3, 2010 5:29 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure what Cowher makes at CBS.
Is chump change compared to a 10 mil a year coaching salary.
Would he really want chump change vs 10 mil a year to coach and hope the perfect situation presents itself down the road?
Let’s see how it plays out.
You may be right keysh67, it just may be the perfect storm.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 3, 2010 5:33 AM EST up reply actions
I personally don't like either one of these guys
but I must admit that Nix is being thorough, which is quite refreshing.
I really like what Nix had to say in his first interview and then it was re-iterated by Jim, that Buffalo is a very unique challenge and some guys might actually get turned on by it. Our fan base is really incredible and we support the Bills through thick and thin, we pack that stadium no matter what. There is a lot to like about this situation for Cowher and Wilson is willing to spend the money that it will take.
By being this thorough, Nix is giving himself some reference and some leverage. I think in the end we get our guy.
Nothing left to say...
Good point on thoroughness and expanded point of reference. Let’s not forget Russ is in the process, doesn’t have much experience in it, and didn’t pick much up in the gm search.
by radan on Jan 3, 2010 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Blech
I’m not a fan of Billick, never have been. When a guy is considered a good offensive coach, you’d think that in nearly a decade as HC, he’d have been able to build a good O at some point. He never did. I also hate that he is an absolute egomaniac, or at least appears to be. I think he’d be one of those guys that rubs the fans the wrong way almost immediately.
I’d simply laugh if this team hired Schottenheimer. There couldn’t be a less appealing candidate unless they somehow convinced Jauron to re-interview. He’s a poor OC and it’s hard to believe the guy could even become an average head coach. It’s not impossible, but I’d hate to see Buffalo be the team that finds out.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Let's just hope.
The Brian Schottenheimer interview, is just a courtesy to Marty.
We all know there will be a fan revolt if he is ever hired as HC at this point.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 3, 2010 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
It would actually be more appaling.
Than hiring Mangini. That should say it all.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 3, 2010 3:31 AM EST up reply actions
It’d be bad, but I don’t know how anything could be worse than hiring Mangini. He’s terrible and I feel really bad for Browns fans.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 3, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
If Marty wants
Brian to be a HC,
He’s going to have to go back into coaching and groom him by hiring him, which he can’t do as Brian is under contract with the Jets thru 2010, unless he finds success on his own, which he hasn’t yet.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 3, 2010 3:36 AM EST up reply actions
Billick spoke at our corporate offsite and I think he’s a phony. The offensive “genius” wiffed on how many QB’s in his tenure in spite of a first class owner and gm supporting him ? He spent like 10 mins yapping on how Boller would succeed. Nice call. I was surprised Ozzie and Biscotti fell for him in the first place.
by radan on Jan 3, 2010 9:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Billick is a very shallow guy who talks a lot better than he coaches. Hopefully Brandon and Nix won’t get gasbagged and we go in another direction
by radan on Jan 3, 2010 9:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'd rather see Jauron back on the sideline than either of these 2 guys as the next head coach in Buffalo.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 3, 2010 9:48 AM EST reply actions
Ah, hyperbole.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 3, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I thought this thread needed a bit.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 3, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Schizophrenic organization
They interview no one for the GM job and are going so far down the list into the potential HC ranks that they get to Billick and B Schottenheimer.
Mort just reported
“stealth meeting” this past week betw. Bills/Cowher.
New post on the homepage about Cowher and Cameron.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 3, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
ESPN segment referenced rumor of a “stealth” meeting last week with Cowher, Cam Cameron connection to Nix, Weiss being out, and Mort thinks Marty could be convinced to coach again.
by radan on Jan 3, 2010 11:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Mort also said if Marty not interested he could still help convince Cowher of Nix’s capabilities. A lot of positives in his and Adam’s report
by radan on Jan 3, 2010 11:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I purposely
left out the Cameron comment from my post. OMG one of the worst HCs in recent memory. See Afghan’s hyperbole above for my opinion on Cameron as HC!
I agree but at least it shows Nix has a “network” which can’t hurt.
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