Does Trent Edwards still have a shot to be the Bills QB?
by MarinoTheBill on Jan 20, 2010 9:17 AM EST
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Now that the Bills have a new head coach in place, hopefully our focus can turn to filling some of the holes the team needs to address on the field. On our list of prioritiies, where does the QB position rank? And if Trent Edwards isn't the guy, then who is?
Personally, I am not confident that the Bills will have a new signal caller for the 2010 season, based on a few reasons:
1. With the 9th pick in the draft, it is unlikely that the Bills will get Clausen or Bradford. Currently, no other QB is rated as a first round talent. I can't see the Bills starting the season with a rookie QB as the starter that is drafted in the 2nd-4th rounds.
2. There is not a whole lot available related to free agents. Many are restricted, and I can't see the Bills parting with draft picks to get Jason Campbell or another QB. I don't see Michael Vick as an option either.
3. It was a pefect storm for Trent Edwards last season. New OC three days before the start of the season, make-shift o-line, new head coach, no-huddle offense, etc. Every player has to adapt to the situation they are presented, but everyone would probably agree that everything was not his fault last season.
If the Bills can use early draft picks to address needs at left tackle and linebacker, while adding a receiver through free agency - then the QB position might not be our most glaring issue. The Bills might be able to take a QB in the 3rd or 4th round that has something to prove (Colt McCoy?) and see how he develops over a season or two.
I realize that the best teams have great QB's, but feel that our Bills have some other pieces that truly need to be addressed firt. Trent has a low price tag, and might deserve a second chance based on last season's fiasco.
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I am supportive of Trent too
The games that he had protection, he was able to flash some QB skills. The lights out game against San Diego comes to mind as well as the New England Monday night game. Going deep downfield may never be his game, but he did manage games well when he had time to. When he got rattled, he turned into JP Losman.
Agreed
I’m just not aware of another option that makes sense.
by MarinoTheBill on Jan 20, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Agree on Trent
In his first 3 seasons he was not put in a position to succeed by the coaching staff and front office yet he still did look good at times. By last year he was gun shy because of the porous O-line and his confidence needs to be rebuilt but I wouldn’t write him off.
We’d all love to get a franchise QB but in all likelihood that’s not going to be possible this year. I’d rather just sign a vet like Kerry Collins (not Ryan Fitzpatrick) and let him battle it out with Trent and Brohm. I don’t see the point of bringing in another iffy starter like Jason Campbell or Michael Vick, and I don’t like the idea of using a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a QB who may develop someday because I think we already have QB projects in Trent and Brohm.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 20, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Collins
I think Collins is an interesting choice. But based on the past history with VY, not sure if they would let him go. I’m not sure if any of the second tier guys are worth a flier (Chris Simms, Pennington, Rosenfells, Troy Smith, etc).
by MarinoTheBill on Jan 20, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
It should be noted that Tom Brady won 3 Super Bowls without much of a long ball gameplan. With Moss in the picture, he’s won zero Super Bowls. So, I guess yes, Trent could still have a shot and could be successful, even without a good long pass as part of his repertoire.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 20, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think so
He looked completely lost when he went in for Fitz. I think we broke him. I’m curious if Brohm has a shot though.
what happened to Brohm?
yeah, nobody seems to want to give Brohm a chance. the biggest problem I had with them starting him this year was one of the knocks against him when he was drafted was a tendency to take a large number of sacks. He seemed to avoid it the game he played in. He was far from spectacular that game, but he didn’t know the playbook or anything, having been here for what, a month? I personally think we should at least give him a chance with an offseason to prepare, and see if he is really as terrible as green bay seemed to think. and having Fitz or Trent back him up wouldn’t be too terrible (there are certainly worse backups than Fitzpatrick, see Curtis Painter for example).
Perry didn’t want to go back to Brohm because Fitz was cleared to play and Brohm didn’t give Fewell the best opportunity to get a W in the last week of the season. Well, that’s how I see it, anyway.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 20, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I was at the Atlanta Game
While visiting family in Atlanta over Christmas break we all went to the Bills game. The one thing that pissed me off a little was that no one offered Brohm any help. Normally when a QB makes a bad decision the coach or someone will go over the mistake while him and try to offer some advice. Every time Brohm went to the bench he was left alone, with no one, not even other players talking to him. I’d be willing to give him or Edwards a shot (though I’m not keen on Fitzpatrick), but whoever our QB ends up being needs to be given attention so he can improve.
by bills_niners on Jan 20, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
They have two young veterans who who have shown flashes of competence, and a former top prospect they got off the scrap heap. If they can’t get Bradford or Clausen in the draft (and I’m not convinced they should draft either even if they are available), they should draft a guy in the middle rounds (Pike, Canfield, Snead, etc…) and/or bring in a more accomplished veteran, throw it all against the wall and see what sticks. Maybe they get lucky.
If they can keep Trent off of his back he could (maybe, possibly) still be a decent starter. The same applies to Brohm, although he has even less of track record of success than Trent. Fitz is a backup – period. If they draft a QB, maybe Fitz should be the bridge until he’s ready, but if he sees the field for more than a game or two next year we’re probably looking at a top 10 draft pick again next April.
Trent's future
I’m quessing Trent will be given a opportunity to redeem himself under the new HC. A comeback by Trent is’nt out of the question. I would make it a open position, show me what you got and go with the better of the QB options.
I don't think any of our QBs are going anywhere.........
Trent is still under contract and Fitzy and Brohm are dirt cheap. There will be a 3-way competition to see who sucks the least, and Chan will pick the guy.
Unless we draft one first round.
Then anything can happend.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 20, 2010 7:45 PM EST reply actions
Edwards and Brohm are dirt cheap. Fitzpatrick is making 2.5M I think. They are all under contract.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
QB Competition
I knows Edwards has become “Captain Checkdown,” but everyone around where Edwards grew up (I live nearby) says he was a god in high school. Yes, I recognize that it is at the High School level, but my point is we haven’t seen the best Edwards can play yet. If Nix can fix the OL, then I’m pretty sure that we will see the best of Edwards. With so many other needs I think Chan can make his offense work with Trent. With Brohm pushing him too, I think we will be ok.
Tony Pike
There’s my vote.
in a salary cap era, no single unit (offense or defense) should be consistently sub-average for such a long stretch.
QB's
There are 3 options that the team probably has to choose from.
1. Keep the three we have, and see what they have for the new coaching staff, and how the Gail-Storm uses them. Then address it next year.
2. We draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd rounds. Then I would guess 1 of our 3 QB’s makes the team, and we go out and get a older veteran QB to stopgap and teach. Kerry Collins, Bulger, Pennington, Hasselback. I would guess Edwards stays on the team in this scenario
3. We get a QB through trade like Vick, McNabb etc that gives a starting caliber QB for a few years. I would guess this is least likely to happen. Obviously Tyler Thigpen would be a possiblility for this, as would someone like Kyle Orton.
Personally, I like Brohm, Edwards and a 3rd QB to go to battle. I like Fitzy, but I think we have already seen his ceiling, and he is just a career backup. In my perfect world, Tim Tebow would be the 3rd QB. We would be young at QB, but with a lot of potential, and maybe even a little offensive excitement.
by WagonCircler12 on Jan 20, 2010 10:19 PM EST reply actions
Do y'all have amnesia?
Remember, Edwards cant even stay healthy for half of a season, and when he’s in there he hasnt even been as good as his backup. He had TO and Evans as his receivers and still couldnt do anything. Dont sugarcoat it. Hes a bum
Hard to judge him.
When he is constantly on his back.
He looks good with some protection.
He has hardly ever got more than 3 seconds without pressure.
Brady constantly gets 4-5 seconds and even longer. Except when the Giants mauled him in the SB and several other times.
I think Trent will compete, he is a low cap hit, he may be a #2 QB, he might be good with a decent OL. I think he gets the chance to compete and show what he can do next year and the decision will be made after that.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 22, 2010 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not ready to give up on Trent.
He has one year left on the contract for cheap.
Next year it’s make or break for Trent.
Get better Trent, or hope you can find a 3rd string QB job to learn the QB position ala Todd Collins.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 21, 2010 2:56 AM EST reply actions
Trent....
As much as I had wished to see him succeed, I have a feeling he’s done in Buffalo. He probably will get another shot at starting, just because he is talented and cheap, but his biggest adversary now is the rest of the team… do they trust him?
Trent never struck me as a leader of men. As much as Fitzpatrick lacked the accuracy/skills to succeed, he played with a swagger rarely seen in a 2nd string QB (see- TD pass to Evans, bomb to TO). I just can’t see Trent winning back the leadership of the team after so awful a year. I think he’ll be here, have a chance to compete with Fitz/Brohm/Draft pick, but ultimately he will be a backup.
I hope Trent gets picked up by somebody else in the league, as he might be able to truly start from scratch in a place like Carolina, St. Louis, or other warmer-weather teams.
My ideal QB situation for the 2010 year is to draft a guy anywhere (there are as many examples of high-round successes and failures as there are low rounds) that we feel could be a franchise QB, and then give him a few snaps a game. I don’t care if Fitz is our starter at the beginning of the year or a FA QB is. We just need a game manager, similar to Orton for now.
After reading Brian's latest article
He seems fairly pessimistic about Trent’s chances for next season. If the new staff is looking for an athletic QB, or one with a big arm – then Trent is not the guy.
David Carr
Look how ‘broken down’ Carr became in Houston behind a horrific O line…
Maybe even the late, great Bill Walsh was wrong [how I wish we could get his opinion now], but I believe and hope Chan at least gives Trent a chance in his system, especially since Chan is supposedly a great teacher [ see Teams making Playoffs with QBs Tomczak, Stewart and Fieldler].
If the Bills cost is under 1 million with only 1 year left on Trent’s contract, I say Why Not??
Am I the only one who doesn’t put all the blame on him? I see Dick Jauron firing Turk, different OCs, horrendous O line blocking, Pop Warner offense, etc…
by StandingBillFan on Jan 21, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions
Trent doesn’t have the respect of the guys in the huddle. I just don’t see a way he can stay on.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
what if half of them are gone next year? :)
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by J2 on Jan 21, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
That is an important point, I suppose. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
I can.
Trent doesn’t have the respect of the guys in the huddle. I just don’t see a way he can stay on.
By winning back that respect in training camp by making plays and accurate throws with an OL we don’t have to keep signing off other teams practice squads because we don’t have enough healthy OL to play next week.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 22, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions
He didn’t lose it because of the practice squad signings. John Wawrow, the Buffalo AP writer, has said repeatedly that people in the locker room were let down by Edwards in some way and that they were ticked at how he handled the season after he got benched.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 22, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Well what were those Ways?
He looked good the first few games,
Butler goes down immediately.
Bell looks overmatched from the git go.
<ost of the pressure that came at edwards came from those two spots and it just got worse from there.
If he lost the locker rooms respect, I would like to know why.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 23, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of people weren’t thrilled with how he responded to the benching. He didn’t take much of the responsibility on himself, like you blaming the OL. Fitzpatrick had the same OL and he didn’t look lost. I’ll Tweet Wawrow to see if he gets back to me.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 23, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Trent's not a 6'4" 240 kinda guy.
Or he is shell shocked, I don’t blame him.
Fitzpatrick had the same OL and he didn’t look lost.
True, he looked decisive where he wanted to go but unable to place a pass where he wanted to with any regularity.
In terms of winning at this point, they are no different.
In terms of upside, Trent wins hands down, Fitz can do the bounce pass off the turf no matter who his OL is.
Trent can win games, if we had anything that looked like a middle of the road OL, instead of what we have. We might have that, but since most of our OL ends up on the DL, it’s tough to tell.
I think Trent needs to finish his contract before we jettison him.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 25, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
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