Bills' coaching job more desirable than advertised?
by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2010 1:30 PM EST
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PrintI'm not big on writing irrelevant posts in this space, but this story is so intriguing that I feel the need to backtrack briefly before continuing the Chan Gailey era in full. I don't think I need to tell you that this story is highly irrelevant because Gailey is the new head coach of the Buffalo Bills; pretty sure y'all are aware of that.
Yesterday, when Gailey was introduced by GM Buddy Nix, the Bills' new GM had this to say about the perceived unpopularity of Buffalo's coaching job: "We probably got, and I'm trying not to exaggerate, 15 calls a day, begging for an interview and wanting this job. I could have hired 35 or 40 the first week. And you would be shocked at some of the names."
Tim Graham, who works at ESPN, is the ringleader of this story, and has provided five such "shocking" names over the past few days. According to Graham, Marty Schottenheimer, Brian Billick, Jim Fassel, Mike Martz and Marc Trestman displayed different levels of interest in the job that eventually went to Gailey. We may even hear of more interested parties at some point.
I have a large level of respect for Tim Graham. I've seen Bills fans (not necessarily here) blasting Graham left and right for these reports, and the idea that he's leading some smear campaign of the Bills organization is not only ludicrous, it's patently false. Graham's a reporter; this is newsworthy, so he's obligated to report the news. If he's reporting that these five guys wanted Buffalo's job - and for the record, he told WGR 550 that he "thinks" Trestman wanted the job - then they wanted the job. Y'all have zero reason to be skeptical of these reports.
Billick, the former head coach at Baltimore, is the only man that has spoken publicly about the Bills job, which he did with WGRZ:
I just wanted to make sure I was clear that he (Nix) had not called," Billick said. "Why he had not called a coach with a Super Bowl ring, 10 wins a year for nine years, having orchestrated the highest-scoring offense and defense in the history of the league, is a question worth asking. But I never spoke with Mr. Nix."
Well, that's blunt, Mr. Billick. With respect, perhaps you ought to read that comment and ask that question of yourself. Billick did, however, have some good things to say about Gailey.
What really matters here is that Buffalo was not interested in these men. Graham reported that Ralph Wilson wasn't interested in Schottenheimer; no such detail exists for the other four names, but we can assume that Nix was not overly interested in some of these guys, as well. (In Billick's case, it's not hard to guess why.)
Of course, it matters to fans, who are largely up in arms over the hire of Gailey. At present, 24% of Buffalo Rumblings voters expressed approval of the hire. If you feel so inclined, set an over/under in the comments section as to the proportion of that group that is visiting Jets, Patriots and Dolphins fans.
I'm fully aware of the implications of this type of report. I completely understand why folks would be upset or disappointed that the Bills would not even interview any of those qualified candidates, let alone extend them a job offer. (And for the record, who's to say they didn't talk to some of those guys? Clearly, they didn't pursue Schottenheimer or Billick, but we can't make the same claim yet about Fassel.)
Here's my take on this whole situation, from Gailey straight on down to Graham's reports: they're interesting to talk about, particularly if your feathers are still ruffled from the events of Monday and Tuesday, but I, personally, could not care less who did or didn't want the job. With the possible exception of Schottenheimer, there's not a name on that list that wouldn't have ruffled feathers. Maybe not as many feathers as Gailey, but feather ruffling would have existed in a big way. (You might have even gotten a little from me if it'd been Billick.)
I don't view the lack of interest in these men as an indictment on the search process or on Wilson or Nix, because folks, it's always been this way. I am not disappointed that any of the names Graham brings up are not the current head coach of the Buffalo Bills, because fundamentally, nothing would have changed. We'd still be facing the same question marks today with Schottenheimer at the helm as we are with Gailey.
I'm a forward-thinking guy. Over the next few days - and in particular when Gailey's coaching staff starts piecing itself together - we're going to start taking a close look at the roster. Those are conversations that interest me, because they are relevant to the team's 2010 outlook. Who may have coached the team? That has nothing to do with what's to come with this franchise.
So one last time, here's a spot to gripe about anything and everything to do with the coaching search and "what might have been." Tomorrow, we start moving forward.
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Great piece Brian.
the one thing I’ll say about the Bills coaching search: I’m glad it’s over.
Now lets re-build the roster, BuChan (See I combined Buddy and Chans name to come up with a new name: BuChan)
"It took twenty five years to get there, and they did it in championship style" - Van Miller 1/20/91.
Thats too close to ButtChin
Which is too Tom Brady like.
How about Chuddy? Or Chandy? Or Chix? Or Chaddy Gainix?
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by Kurupt on Jan 20, 2010 1:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i vote chuddy
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 20, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I like Chuddy as well
But Chix has something going for it…..makes me think of the cheerleaders for some reason.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
Aside from Marty, none of these names are a shock
This whole “you would be surprised” stuff makes me laugh. We all know the names we wanted. We all know the names that turned us down, either directly or indirectly. Let’s be honest, what can Nix really say….At least we are not the Raiders….wait…never mind :-)
And by the way, Bruschi called us the Eastcoast Raiders yesterday. Nobody is buying the stuff Nix is selling.
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
I’ll re-iterate a question I asked in a different thread: who the hell cares what Tedy Bruschi thinks?
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because it is a perception that is widely held around the league by other players and coaches as well
Right or wrong, a person’s perception defines their reality and therefore affects the decisions they make.
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
not to mention the fact that 95% of football fans don’t pay attention to the bills, but do watch sportscenter, so if he lays that perception out there (regardless of truth) they will probably believe it.
by quantumuprising on Jan 20, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
so is that buffalos fault
or espn’s? tedy can go jump off a cliff. who cares what an ex-patriot thinks of the bills, why would people give him credence over harrison? both are equally stupid as far as the football universe in my mind. sure they play a great game, but they are years away from understanding coaching and running a franchise, something raplh has done for over 50 years. i defer to ralph over tedy 100% of the time.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 20, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
totally agree
consider bruschi’s frame of reference. he played for pats teams that beat the bills soundly like what?….178 straight times and likely giggled coming up the tunnel.
the bills could have hired God as coach and he wouldn’t be anything other than skeptical/condescending.
by LeClaireBill on Jan 20, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
not denying anything you said. i don’t care what he says, and no one should. however, do you follow the chargers on a daily basis? if marcellus wiley got on nfl live and said that the chargers organization was terrible, wouldn’t you just take it in stride because hes a guy who has been around it and you don’t know anything else about the chargers?
by quantumuprising on Jan 20, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
no i probably wouldnt
i dont give credence to any ex-football player until they have been out of the league for at least 10 years. may sound stupid, but i figure thats long enough to educate themselves on the business of football.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Jan 20, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
but they are years away from understanding coaching and running a franchise,
And we’re years removed from having a competent coach and a competently run franchise.
by twoeightnine on Jan 20, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Come on, you can't just say "Who cares what Tedy Bruschi thinks?"
I mean, by that logic, who cares what anyone in the media thinks? You can’t just discourage his opinion because you don’t like what he has to say. Someone must care what he thinks, or ESPN wouldn’t be paying him, right?
by StroudFanClub on Jan 20, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Tedy Bruschi is not the only person bashing the Bills for the hire. I did not say “who the hell cares what the haters have to say?” I said “who the hell cares what Tedy Bruschi has to say?” It has absolutely nothing to do with the opinion.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well then I just don't get what you meant by "Who cares what Tedy Bruschi thinks?"
How do you go about determining who’s opinions in the media you should care about and who’s you shouldn’t?
by StroudFanClub on Jan 20, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I meant that unbiased sports personalities who hold that opinion – like Mike Lombardi – those are the folks you should care about.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I Respectfully Disagree
I understand the perception that Bruschi is an ex pat and therefore biased against other teams in the AFC East. However, I’ve been on vacation the past two weeks and I’ve been watching a lot of sports center during that time and in my opinion, Bruschi is pretty fair. He criticizes players on the Patriots team all the time, and I have also heard him praise the Jets.
Look, I hate the Patriots – both past and present- just as much as anyone, but just because he’s an ex-pat doesn’t mean what he’s saying isn’t true.
I love the Bills, love them. They are only professional sports team that I really care about and are undoubtedly the center of my sports world. But let’s be honest, the decisions that the owner and the front office have made in the last decade make me feel like my team is the East Coast Raiders. I’m not giving up, I’m not going away, but my beloved team certainly does not make it easy to be a fan, and I’m not going to deny the truth of the matter just because I am a fan.Bruschi may be an ex-pat, but he may also be right.
by Buffalo Bird on Jan 21, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Bruschi may be an ex-pat, but he may also be right.
he may also be wrong.
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by J2 on Jan 21, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Some media members have a track record of INFORMED reporting
Others don’t. It’s a fallacy we Americans share that every voice needs to be listened to. Every INFORMED voice should be, but there is so much noise coming at us from the media (even the regular no-sports media) that the people we should be listening to are drowned out.
Tedy Bruschi should be ignored because he spews biased opinion, while others try their hardest to learn the craft and become well-rounded respectable reporters.
Like Brian mentioned, Mike Lombardi is one, Chris Collinsworth usually has a good take on things as well.
by syrbillsfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Lombardi called us the Raiders of the East…
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
im starting to think it should be.......
the Raiders are the Bills of the West
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
No. The first way, the Raiders seem like the measuring stick for failure. I like that better.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 22, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
he has the job because he was an ex-football star on a super bowl team
not because people suddenly buy the BS he is selling.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Jan 20, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
buy you are buying the BS Nix is selling?
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
yea
i am. cuz i trust in the franchise, and nix has proven to be a good asset to any team hes been a part of. and so far none of his decisions havent work out yet. you take tedy’s opinion over nix?
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Jan 20, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
yep......Tedy might be wrong, but he is saying what he believes to be true
After watching Nix, I think he thinks Bills fans are a bunch of dumbasses that will believe whatever he tells them. I don’t trust Nix as far as I can throw him.
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
well theres where we disagree
i trust in nix until he proves me otherwise, i however do not trust biased reporting from a guy that no undoubtedly would knock anything the bills, jets or dolphins do.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Jan 20, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
So Tedy is biased, but Nix is not?
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
consider each persons motivation - tedy to stir the pot, nix to put together a winning football team
by LeClaireBill on Jan 20, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I would say that Nix has to be much more careful about what he says. Tedy may be wrong, but he can say whatever he wants
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
nix isnt selling anything that isnt true
he hired a HC with prior HC experience (and a winning record) to help rebuild this team. you may not like chan, but from his interviews i think he is the right man for this job right now. and with nix’s past record of drafting and team-building i trust his judgment and evaluations.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Jan 20, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I just finishing listening to the Scott Van Pelt show
They did a little piece on Buddy and has comments. To sum up….nobody is buying the crap Nix was trying to sell. And furthermore, Nix has made himself a laughing stock with his Raiders comment….possibly surpassing Al Davis as someone who should never be allowed to hold a press conference. I say possibly because Davis has yet to respond and may pull his pants down or something.
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
Well, also consider that Buddy Nix made some enemies in the media with that press conference. I, personally, am going to reserve judgement on Nix and Gailey for a while. Probably the entirety of next season. History is littered with decisions that seemed bad at the outset and eventually succeeded. The reverse is true too. In the mean time, I’m going to be practicing my zen relaxation techniques.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 22, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
i'm buying
i’m digging that andy griffith dumb as a fox approach.
by LeClaireBill on Jan 20, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care what the media thinks..
Nor do I especially care about Bruschi… And quite frankly, by his remarks yesterday, it’s a breath of fresh air to have a GM and HC who don’t care as well….They can instead, focus on football, continuing to ignore the pundits… Suits me fine….
your missing the point
On the Full of Sh!t Scale, Bruschi and Nix both score an 8 out of 10.
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
Joe....
This is not a political website… There is a very real possibility Nix is truthful, and Bruschi is running for POTUS…:-)
Former military?
Only heard people call the pres that in the military.
Joe....
This is not a political website… There is a very real possibility Nix is truthful, and Bruschi is running for POTUS…:-)
Cinga, you have been around enough to have picked up on when someone is lying
Watch Nix’s body language…. listen to his voice……he is not being honest.
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
ok, joe - this is what i do for a good living. exactly how is nix body language or voice inflection projecting "lying?"
by LeClaireBill on Jan 20, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I am no professional, (by the way....what do you do that makes you one?)
Many of the things you would normally use to detect someone lying is made more difficult because he is talking to a room of people therefore purposefully changing his eye contact to different people in the room, thus eliminating some of the common tells you would use when having a conversation with one person. But when someone searches for words" I am not….I am trying not to exagerate" and when someone says “believe me” they are red flags. Speaking in a monotonous tone. The adding of unnecessary details like the number of calls a week he got, and then the lack of detail when saying we would be surprised at some of the names, but then not giving any. Finally, person who is lying often gets defensive and uses inappropriate humor like when he made his infamous Raider joke. To me, these things make me question whether he is telling the truth. Can I prove it? No, but I have learned to listen to my gut.
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
Public Speaking 101
You maintain eye movement around the room to engage as many people as possible therefore drawing their attention. Second anyone who is pausing to think of words gets more trust from me. It shows hes not reading from a BS pre-written speech. Third Some people just have a monotone voice. I had a college professor who sounded like Ben Stein.Last The inappropriate nature of some of his comments I agree shouldn’t have happened.But still it just shows a lack of professionalism on his part which is different from being a liar.
My proudest moment as a bills fan was watching Don Beebe chase someone down in a blowout. Is that sad?
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by partyboybackformore on Jan 20, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that he should be looking around the room at different people
The point was that by doing that it takes away many of the cues you would normally look for when trying to determine if a person is not telling the truth. It is not the pauses that bother me as much as he seemed like he was searching for the the “right story”. I don’t think Buddy’s voice is always monotone, do you? Like I said, I can’t prove it. It is my opinion. It is not like I think he is a pathological liar, I just don’t believe what he was saying about filling the HC job.
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
Joe P
What other players and coaches have you talked to that told you that??? Or have you been talking to the Staff on WGR550 and Jerry Sullivan
haven't personally talked to any other NFL players, so ofcourse therefore I am wrong
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
I agree
Who cares what Brusch-bag thinks. All that matters is if the BILLS players buy into the new regime. Hmmm… a football player talking smack? There’s something new!
Don't worry about Tedi
In the Super Bowl vs. the Giants, did you see the way he waited until the cameras were on him before he gave Junior Seau a (prematurely, as it turned out) celebratory hug? The guy cares about nothing more than being in the spotlight. He’s a scumbag and a phony, and he’ll be off ESPN and doing motivational speeches at trade shows before you know it … and NOT in the Hall of Fame.
Plus he’s named after ladies’ undergarments. Just wait him out.
by williamherbert on Jan 21, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I want to know the 35-40 that Buddy says were interested!!!
I wasn’t a huge fan of hiring Marty but understand the desire some had to get him. The others, I couldn’t care less about. Its funny that Billick basically can’t comprehend why he doesn’t even get a sniff around the league.
I wonder if Trestman as OC is even remotely possible? Even though he wouldn’t even be calling the plays, it still has to be a better job than CFL head coach, right?
Gailey can prove he’s the right choice with strong hires, a commitment to a plan and sticking with it, and finding that ever elusive Chupacabras, errr quarterback.
~K
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by Kurupt on Jan 20, 2010 1:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Trestman is reportedly a candidate in Oakland to replace the not-quite-fired Cable. Oh, by the way, another name that has emerged in Oakland is Jim Harbaugh. God, it would suck to be shot down by a guy who then took a job from Al Davis.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
Harbaugh would have to be insane to take ANY NFL job. Stanford can take care of him till he’s JoPa’s age if he decides to settle in. DI coaches don’t seem to understand who butters their bread.
About the most accurate read on D1 coaching I've seen in a while
The only issue is that these Type A super competitive people can’t just leave it at that level, they feel the need to prove their stones at the top. It would be galling for Jim to go to the Raiders, but I think he is just to dang smart to do so.
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Kurupt
Do you have any idea who is out there that could be considered for DC and other positions we have to fill???
Wish I knew
I’m not really up to date on who’s out there. Some have mentioned Jim Bates, iccckkkk. Todd Bowles, Miami’s DB coach was brought up somewhere on the site. I honestly wish I knew who was out there and a quality option. I would have loved Mike Nolan…..damn Miami.
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by Kurupt on Jan 20, 2010 3:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that was my point above. Gailey was unemployed in Sept. We couild have hired him to replace Jauron in November. We could have hired him 1/4/10. Just like Nix, who after a year, (the Bills have an AHHA moment) is named him GM. Why wait?
Now, all this time goes by and people like Nolan (by one day) find work elsewhere. And, there aren’t a lot of names being surfaced by folks on BR. Folks who have a better feel for coaching talent than most owners, (e.g. Ralph looking down a list and “not knowing anyone”) Worse, of those left, how many does Gailey know? Certainly, that’s a criteria.
Once again, the Bills are missing the boat. Just once, I’d like to see them ahead of the curve (for something positive).
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by fansince60 on Jan 20, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We could have hired him 1/4/10.
L.O.L. Holy crap, I can’t imagine how apocalyptic 1/4/10 might have been had that happened.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a really good list
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http://www.buffalonews.com/452/story/929617.html
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
So you’re going to completely dismiss brian billick just because you think he comes across as arrogant?
its not wrong to say that if we wanted a coach with a proven record and experience, then looking at a guy who has a ring and some vaunted teams is a darned good way to go…
by quantumuprising on Jan 20, 2010 1:45 PM EST reply actions
its not wrong to say that if we wanted a coach with a proven record and experience, then looking at a guy who has a ring and some vaunted teams is a darned good way to go…
… did I say it was?
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
With the possible exception of Schottenheimer, there’s not a name on that list that wouldn’t have ruffled feathers. Maybe not as many feathers as Gailey, but feather ruffling would have existed in a big way. (You might have even gotten a little from me if it’d been Billick.)
Seems to insinuate you wouldn’t have been happy with billick despite the fact that he meets and exceeds all search qualifications.
by quantumuprising on Jan 20, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I would not have been tap-dancing in the streets if we’d hired Billick, but I wouldn’t have been crying foul if we’d interviewed the guy.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't know you could tap dance.....hopefully your better at it that Nix
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
Had to do a double take....
At first I thought it said lap dancing. Just got back from the eye doctor, really do need glasses.
Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!
by UtahBillsFan on Jan 20, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Billick is an “offensive genius” who won a super bowl with a defense that was left over from the previous regime, and although he was able to pick good replacements for coordinators who left, that’s about all that’s good to say about Billick. Baltimore’s success is due to Ozzie Newsome the GM, and the Baltimore defense. In matters with Billick’s fingerprints the results were inconclusive, as evidenced by the low wattage offenses powered by a revolving door at QB, hand selected by Billick and better than average RBs discovered by Ozzie – Jamal Lewis, Priest Holmes.
true enough.
but when a guy has a ring and wants the job, you interview him.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
or, if is arrogance and ego doesn't fit in the culture you are trying to foster, then no - no you don't.
by LeClaireBill on Jan 20, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
you don't think buddy is arrogant?
i’m not saying hire the guy, but what exactly is the harm in interviewing someone?
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
well if you know that you don’t want him – why waste your time?
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by J2 on Jan 20, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
because maybe he'll change your mind.
if he can’t change your mind during the interview, then why bother to interview anyone? Just hire whoever you like pre-interview.
Also, even if you don’t hire him, he’s got a great set of contacts that he can help you with- look at how we found Gailey.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
why interview if you don’t feel a person fits in the culture you are trying to create, joe? its a waste of time.
i interview people for john deere corporate all the time. its the first thing a fortune 100 company considers.
could be the most talented person in the world, but if you ain’t on the team, so to speak, you don’t get a sniff.
is nix arrogant? i guess i don’t see what you see there. he’s in the position of restoring a once proud football program. if he has a vision, and the stones to see it through, step by step – i could care less if he pisses off a silly scribe like jerry sullivan. so, we’ll have to agree to disagree. i like the fortitude, point blank, no BS attitude, that to me, nix has shown to date. he stated what he wanted in a coach, and backed it up with the actual hire – whether it is “sexy” or not. i have a lot of KC Chief fan friends. they all wish Gaily was the Chiefs coach instead of Haley.
i really don’t see where he get the “Nix is lying and full of bs” mindset. but i respect your view. time will tell.
by LeClaireBill on Jan 20, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
first time I saw Nix talk i thought he was arrogant – but I like that – he’s confident in what he’s doing
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by J2 on Jan 20, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
haha ok one by one.
why interview if you don’t feel a person fits in the culture you are trying to create, joe? its a waste of time.
1. my name isn’t joe, but that’s no biggie.
2. because maybe you’re wrong about the guy. maybe the guy’s reputation isn’t all there is to him.
3. because Billick coached in this league for a long time, and he has great connections on both sides of the ball. From what we heard earlier, Billick was assembling a team of assistants in preparation for an interview. If he walks in there with some of the guys he’s worked with as coordinators you need to start looking at whether you can fit him in.
4. Even if you don’t hire him, you still have a conversation with him. He’s a smart football guy with good contacts. Look at how we found our current head coach.
is nix arrogant? i guess i don’t see what you see there.
really? this is the guy who apparently din’t want to interview Marty Schottenheimer or Brian Billick, despite them being hugely accomplished NFL head coaches. he’s done two press conferences total and he’s already called out another NFL team (raiders) and told the press that 80 percent of what they say is BS. to their face.
not saying I dont like him, but to say the guy isn’t arrogant seems far fetched to me.
i really don’t see where he get the "Nix is lying and full of bs" mindset. but i respect your view. time will tell.
I’ve never said anything like that, I think you’ve confused me with someone else.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
so then besides...
…arrogance, what reason would you have for disliking the idea of Billick as HC?
Or, more to the point, of preferring Gailey over Billick?
for me, the arrogance is more than enough. if he doesn’t give the impression of being able to work in harmony with those around him, he doesn’t get a sniff. that simple. billick gives that impression to many, apparently – or he as well would have been granted interviews for a new head coaching gig LAST year, when 10 were open. i don’t believe anyone invited him for an interview. even the Lions.
i’m not ready to stand in the street and wave pom poms for Gaily, but, he does indeed fill all the criteria Nix said he desired in a head coach. experience, offensive expertise, etc. the proof will be in the pudding, in my mind. i’m not gonna string the guy up before he’s danced.
by LeClaireBill on Jan 20, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Tim Graham
I always liked Graham. But—How could anyone believe his last report about Marty begging for the HC in Buffalo. Maybe Marty inquired about it —-but begged!!! Come on. Wasn’t it Tim Graham that was reporting Marty didn’t want to come back to football??
Graham never said “begged.” He said that Schottenheimer wanted the job “badly.”
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Begged implies action on Schottenheimer’s part.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
That is, in fact, possible.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 20, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
at the end of the day
Ralph still has major say on what’s going on. Buddy had a list, Ralph nixed some right of the bat, and then Buddy had to choose of the remainder who he thought was the best fit. At least Buddy is running the show from that perspective. He got a guy he can work with. Buddy knows he has to be the buffer between Ralph and the HC, and finding the “right” guy for Buddy is exactly the right move. Now, if Buddy can make some changes in the FO, we could start to really get somewhere in this damn organization. Fassel, Billick, Martz, etc I could live with as OC, and Gailey as sad as it is to say, I think is the best choice for HC out of all of those. I still would have preferred a Frazier HC, Gailey OC combo….
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There are 32 NFL Head coaching jobs
Old owner or no, it was hysteria on our part to believe no one wanted to coach the Buffalo Bills.
It is perfectly logical that there are hundreds of coaches that (stupidly) would be interested even in the worst NFL head coaching job. Whether for ego or competitive progress, all NFL head coaching jobs are wanted by lots of capable individuals. I personally think its nuts for D-I coaches to leave their jobs to come to the NFL, high risk, low reward compared to college, but even they want to move up. Look for mega sanctions against USC coming in the near future if Pete Carroll was willing to give up the cushy spot there.
As far as how this all played out, it makes sense if the recommendation of Gailey came from Bill Cowher, our no. 2 prospect. The Bills were still on and off with Cowher when they interviewed Frazier and Fewell, then he makes up his mind and recommends Gailey in his stead. While the Bills are boning up on Gailey’s history and checking references, they put out a couple of feelers to Russ Grimm and Brian Shottenheimer. While they are working to arrange those interviews, they finish researching Gailey, like what they’ve uncovered and give him a call. The rest is history.
Nobody ever thought that
Old owner or no, it was hysteria on our part to believe no one wanted to coach the Buffalo Bills.
I know Matt and I wanted the job. I am still pissed that I didn’t get an interview. Like K said, tell me some names that will impress me Buddy.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 20, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
A guy like Lane Kiffin can really raise his profil by going to the Raiders for two years. Then he gets the job at Tennessee and then at USC.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I know this has nothing to do with this article but...
I would like to thank the Editors, Authors and Moderators for creating and facilitating a beautiful piece of art called Buffalo Rumblings. As I’m sure many of us know there are some who put together websites only because they can and the product presented proves it. It would be simple to just create something with links to everything and strictly be a source of information but you guys show your pride in this site daily with intelligent, informative, critical but most important UNBIASED articles. You show you’re a real fan because you can not only praise the team when they deserve it but also kick them in their ass as well, and I respect and appreciate it.
And for the posters, I may not agree with everything you say but I must say for most, it comes from the heart without all the negative and unfortunately racist undertones that has permeated so many other sites within the last few years. I’ve always said only at a Bills game will you see a KKK member and someone from the Nation of Islam chest bump when a touchdown is scored and this site only proves when it comes to color, the only thing that matters is RED, WHITE and BLUE and I thank you for it as I step down from my soapbox.
by telka on Jan 20, 2010 2:11 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Excellent post...Rec'd
I also may not agree with everything said, but I accept the fact that you’re wrong and move on. However there was that one time, but I don’t like to dwell on the past :-)
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by UtahBillsFan on Jan 20, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Kelly Hates Marty
No one seems to be talking about how Jim Kelly and Thumus were big parts of the Bills success and to be fair, a bigger part of the future of the Bills. Ralph likes his peeps and he keeps them close. Marty was not successful his last turn on the dance floor, why give him another… I am sorry, but I think this smells of Jim Kelly’s pick to be HC not Ralph’s and not Nix (who is here more of a personnel guy and not a typical GM).
Marty went 14-2 in his last season.
ANd why on God’s green earth does Jim Kelly have more pull in the organization than someone who is, ya know, employed?
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
The Bills passing on the older Shotty
throws new light on the younger Shotty turning down the interview…
i’d hazard a guess that if there had been even half the activity throughout the league filling coaching vacancies as there was at the end of last season, the bills’ adventures in said search wouldn’t have even registered a blip on the national media stage..
as it was, the media needed something to talk about, along these lines, so massaged into oblivion every nuance, old-ance, nonsense-ance and bs-ance.
by LeClaireBill on Jan 20, 2010 2:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
An excellent point.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 22, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I respectfully disagree with one statement in your article...
I am not disappointed that any of the names Graham brings up are not the current head coach of the Buffalo Bills, because fundamentally, nothing would have changed. We’d still be facing the same question marks today with Schottenheimer at the helm as we are with Gailey.
Your absolutely correct that we’d still be facing the same issues. However, we’d be facing them with a new head coach that has a longer, broader track record of success. That is why I was really upset to hear the ‘Marty badly wanted the gig’ report from Graham.
As a life-long fan who has probably poured thousands of dollars (season tickets, merchandise, labatts blue at the Ralph) into the franchise, I feel like I have a right to be somewhat upset with, what i believe, is a missed opportunity (Marty) by my team.
With that being said, you’re right! It’s time once again to blow our noses, wipe our tears, patch the hole in the wall and start hoping. Let’s just pray it’s not another 10 straight years of hoping!
I have read this site daily for the past couple of years. You guys do a great job covering our beloved Bills…Thank You! Glad to be finally posting on the site and hope to remain active.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
well said
I would have liked to have seen Marty coaching here, too, but at this point, it’s all moot…..so we move on and hope our HC can assemble a sharp group of assistants, the team drafts smartly, and things change for the better. It won’t be easy in our division, which is getting better and better. I think all three of our AFC East opponents will be better next season so this new Bills regime needs to get it right.
by ccthemovieman on Jan 20, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
you seem a little too polite to be on here.
and…this may have just been my reading of it, but i got the sense you might respect other people’s opinion. You may want to find another site…
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Harbaugh not interested
Jim Harbaugh has told the Raiders according to espn that he is not interested in the Raider job
of course not............
why would he want to go somewhere like here or the Raiders……….meddling owners……when he can stay at Stanford and be the man with total control.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Since you've allowed us the opportunity, Brian...
Schottenheimer wanted the job "badly."
This is primarily where my discontent lies. If true, and Marty hasn’t denied it as far as I know, then why did we not extend him an opportunity to interview? Instead, we ignored a man with 200 NFL career victories to his credit? And, if true, please answer this:
If Ralph nixed (no pun intended) the idea of Schottenheimer as head coach, then can we assume that our new GM, Buddy Nix, is just another puppet in the regime? We know that Nix has positive ties to Marty. Are we to believe that Nix sided with Wilson’s refusal to bring Schottenheimer in for a discussion? Or did Nix want Marty “badly” too, only to be forced to yield to whatever Wilson wanted.
One could also safely assume that there was some discussion between Nix and Wilson about the HC pool before Nix won the GM job. If they did not, then even that hiring process was more flawed than first imagined.
My last point is this: we blatantly ignore Marty, then expect his son to be interested in an interview?
We could have had BOTH of them. Marty as HC for a year or two, Brian as assistant head coach and OC, and head coach “in waiting”.
This is why I am so disappointed and without any faith in this organization…the signs that nothing really has changed. Nothing.
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
I’ve got to assume Nix wanted Marty, at least to interview. He’s gotta be one of the first people that came to mind.
by PozDispenser on Jan 20, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think you hit the nail on the head here.
by Slick Shifty on Jan 20, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, Slick one.
And it really is the crux of the issue for nearly all of us that are so pissed about yesterday’s announcement.
It was anything but a thorough process.
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
We could have had BOTH of them. Marty as HC for a year or two, Brian as assistant head coach and OC, and head coach "in waiting".
I’m not sure the father and son thing would have worked out, but Marty as HC and Chan as OC/Asst. HC, now that would have been interesting.
This whole argument hinges on Marty’s rumored interest in the position, which I am not convinced has ever real. Therefore I have difficulty playing this out in a scenario—however plausible—between Buddy and Ralph.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
See below for the link
Marty and Billick were interviewed today by a local station. Both were interested. Neither got an interview.
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
Thanks, I read that later, but I’m still not convinced Shotty could have been lured out of retirement. If he wasn’t so close with Buddy there probably wouldn’t have been any talk with a Bills official at all.
Billick’s a different matter…he and his king sized ego would most likely of clashed with Buddy. Despite his friendly sounding given name, Mr. Nix doesn’t seem like a guy that will take sh*t from anyone. This is what you get when you bring in the GM first—he picks a guy he can work with.
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Show me in the text where Marty wanted the job “badly”.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I've made my peace with the Gailey hiring
But I’d sure as hell like to know why Wilson refused to even consider Marty? Geez that’s sooooooooo frustrating.
I try to remain positive and forward thinking but having a 91 year old owner is really really hard. The worse part of all of this is that we could have had both very easily. Marty comes in as the head coach and hires Chan as OC, where would be the problem in that?
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
Can only think of two things
where would be the problem in that?
Power and $$$.
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
How is that?? Wilson went on record flashing $10M for Cowher so $$ wasn’t the issue
And Gailey was an un-employed OC, where would the power struggle come from?
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
It makes sense to you and me, but...
Do you really believe Ralph is as clear-headed, coherent and consistent as some make him out to be?
Would you bet your next paycheck that Ralph can quickly tell you what day it is?
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
Yup
You would be surprised then….
Old dosn’t mean brain dead. So he goes to bed early and has bladder trouble.
Last time I checked at Walmart, there were lots of Old people with there wits about them!
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by twoeightnine on Jan 20, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
let's not forget
Cowher was within a terrible Mike Vanderjagt field goal attempt and a few good Super Bowl calls of not having a SB ring at all. I know the guy is a good coach, but I don’t understand how all the billboard people wanted to speak for all of us and make him our de facto “dream” coach. (For the record, I wanted Martyball all the way.)
by williamherbert on Jan 21, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
As I’ve documented in many posts/comments – I personally preferred Marty over Cowher but it was close. Marty proved he could turn a team around and into a winner not once, not twice but three times. I love Martyball, that is what I’ve been wanting for a very long time. Cowher was a very close second and the only edge I gave him was the fact that he is one of the hottest coaches currently on the market would have given us instant credibility towards trying to convince FAs to sign with us. But given the fact that Nix doesn’t seem incline to go that route, Marty was the best option. Too bad they didn’t want him.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
Yes, that’s what puzzles me. I’m not aware of any feud between Marty S. and Ralph Wilson, and if Schottzy Sr. brought Jr. along with him as OC that would seem to be a very desirbale combination for revitalizing the team. Unless Tim Graham can supply some motive for Wilson’s supposed veto of Marty S. I’m going to remain skeptical of the report.
Forgot one...
The irrational stubbornness of an old man.
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
by ChipShot on Jan 20, 2010 2:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
AMEN!!!!!
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure why any of those names would be surprising, besides Marty. They’ve all been head coaches who are looking to be head coaches again (or Trestman going from the CFL to NFL).
I don’t really see a missed opportunity with any of them. It’d be good to have talked with them, but no big deal. And I’d be willing to be that while Billick didn’t talk with Nix, Billick’s agent called 1 Bills Drive about the job.
But I maintain my bitterness over Frazier!
I'm still not sold
Personally I still do not fully believe this ESPN story – sorry Brian. The timing of it smells too much. No-one wants our job then a few hours after the hire all these big names badly wanted it ? Whichever way you cut it ESPN was fabricating exactly one half of those stories. Just saying – if it looks like BS, smells like BS – well you get the picture :) I’m not sure what makes this new ESPN story so believable. Weren’t we all accepting their reports that nobody wanted the job just a few days ago – now they say differently and we all now believe them ? No thanks – not me !
As you say though Brian, it matters not. Gailey is our new coach and all of the rest means exactly zero !
When the GM says ‘you media guys were way off base, there were a lot of candidates that wanted the job badly’ after you hire a coach, don’t you think the media is going to investigate the claim? And if Nix was right don’t you think they would eventually find someone Nix was talking about?
And don’t you think that sources, particularly inside the Bills, are going to be willing to talk after the coach is selected?
If anything I’d say it’s the Bills planting the story that the job was desirable, not Graham backing it up (particularly with the emphasis which he talked on GR).
Eventually ?
Seemed a lot quicker than eventually that this unfolded. That still leaves half of their reports as BS which is enough to make me not trust anything they say on the matter. If someone lies to me half the time on a subject then I don’t believe what they tell me at all.
Yes I think there was more interest in the job then we were initially led to believe – of course. Not hard to imagine that a fair chunk of people would be willing to take a HC job at a below par franchise for 5 mill or so a year. What gets my going is the reports of No interest everywhere and then straight afterwards – “oh everyone wanted that job – why did they pick Gailey ?”
Coach is hired regardless – so lets see who they get for OC and DC. I laugh though when the Bills say “We want to hire teachers” Gee, you think ? You’re hiring an OC who won’t be allowed to call plays – so he better well be able to “teach” Otherwise what else would he have to do ?
There's a canadian reporter by the name Stephen Brunt
that incorrectly noted that the Bills are the only team in history to have cleaned house and hired an “un-employed” GM and the an “en-employed” Head Coach. I say incorrectly because Nix was technically employed by us for 9 months before been promoted from “un-employed” to GM.
It’s still pathetic any way you slice it!
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
by keysh67 on Jan 20, 2010 3:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
An opinion
I don’t get why people are bashing Tim Graham and Bruschi and all these media types… they are giving their opinion and i happen to agree, the Bills aren’t changing their ways. i’m just pissed.. I hope Gailey surprises me… but honestly, i’m not expecting much… Everyone’s saying a lot of big names didn’t like the fact that the team doesn’t have a QB…….so my question to Ralph…. last year when the outlook on Edwards was good, he chose to give Jauron another year and look what that did. He’s in his 90s… why spend the money? there’s no definite plan for the team when he dies anyway…what does he care other than maximizing profits for the next couple years before he does die. If he really cared about the city of Buffalo and the team’s future, don’t you think the situation would be a little more clearer and definite than it is? I’m starting to think he doesn’t… hence the hiring of Nix and Gailey….same ole…and same. just get by…keep whatever profits he can keep coming in.. nothing too drastic that’s gonna drain his wallet… don’t want to upset the fan base too much… keep a little hope but nothing that will cost too much money. i mean….i don’t know all the details about the inheritance tax and all that…..but why is he not going out of his way to keep the team in buffalo? Does that make sense or am i way off? Am I a conspiracy theorist in thinking that it’s all about the money….always has been?
I get why people are bashing Tim Graham
Look if Marty wanted the job we would have heard something before now. Unless of course you totally think that RB isn’t a marketing genius anymore? It just doesn’t make any sense for a franchise that is getting crucified in the media to not go “Look Marty Schottenheimer wants the job.” Even if they didn’t want him they would have granted him an interview. Plus factoring in Nix’s ties to Schottenheimer from San Diego Tim Graham’s article doesnt make sense. And if it isn’t true it’s just another attempt to drive up his page viewership by ESPN.
Why would we have?
No one even thought of Gailey as candidate and then overnight he went from rumor to coach.
It just doesn’t make any sense for a franchise that is getting crucified in the media to not go "Look Marty Schottenheimer wants the job." Even if they didn’t want him they would have granted him an interview.
That makes complete sense. You want to get crucified even more by everyone, especially the fans, do this: “Marty Schottenheimer wants the job so we’re going to interview him but we don’t want him.” I guarantee Nix and Brandon were thinking that this Marty “rumor” was never going to come out because the general consensus was that he wanted to stay retired. But Buddy had to get cocky and say that there was incredibly demand and you wouldn’t believe the names. There’s no way the media wasn’t going to look into who those people were.
by twoeightnine on Jan 20, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
That makes complete sense. You want to get crucified even more by everyone, especially the fans, do this: "Marty Schottenheimer wants the job so we’re going to interview him but we don’t want him
Hahaha we both know theres no way in hell the bills actually say that. But the Bill’s could have very easily interviewed Marty,made it public,then said well actually we liked gailey better for whatever reason. Unless of course Tim Graham’s actually full of crap. Any way’s I’ll wait till I hear Marty talk about his interest in the Bill’s job before I believe this story.
I agree until Marty gives any indication then it’s just a rumor, then again my take on it is that Wilson didn’t want Marty and Nix was unable to convince him so instead of embarrassing Marty by interviewing him and then not hiring him, they simply did not interview him and this way he can just deny ever having been interested in the first place.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
But again we don’t know that Wilson didn’t want Marty. I’m not bashing Tim Graham when I say that. Even the best journalists get things wrong on occasion. As a number of people are saying, it really doesn’t make sense for Wilson to be that hostile to hiring Schotennheimer. Maybe he was, but until Tim Graham tells us why I am going to have my doubts that he got the story straight this time.
Golllllly Gomer...
I read some of the criticism of Buddy Nix and his southern speech an mannerisms. let me say you have lived in the north way too long! I lived in the south for over 20 years and come to appreciate the Buddy Nixes of the world. Buddy won’t take any crap, is a straight shooter and will tell you what’s on his mind. He is a throwback to the old AFL days! He will grow on you as you get to learn his personality and openness. When Rex Ryan got the Jets job many fans thought he was a loud mouth buffoon now they love him—-why because he is old school and says what’s on his mind. Nix is out of the same mold, give him time to put the Bills back on the map and you will learn to enjoy his southern style!
Plus rumor has it the Bills will now be offering Catfish, Grits and Okra at the Ralph…
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I read it...
and concluded that Marty would have interviewed for the job. No question about it. I don’t care whether or not he wanted the job “badly”. He was attainable, and the Bills didn’t bother.
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
I would LOVE to hear Nix SPECIFICALLY answer to THIS:
Here is a direct quote from Brian Billick today: “I just wanted to make sure I was clear that he (Nix) had not called,” Billick said. “Why he had not called a coach with a Super Bowl ring, 10 wins a year for nine years, having orchestrated the highest-scoring offense and defense in the history of the league, is a question worth asking. But I never spoke with Mr. Nix.”
Yes, Mr. Nix….PLEASE, if you are so sure that “you are the football guy” , then PLEASE tell us why in the WORLD you would not talk to Billick. Oh wait, I know! Ralphie still wears the pants, just as we all thought!
Untill Ralph expires, we will NEVER be good again! I’m sorry, but that is proven FACT….no longer opinion! I pity those that continue to keep kidding themselves!
And Marty is a bit of a classy guy.
He’s not going to come out and be “b-tches be bleeding yo, I can’t believe they hired Hick Gallery when I wanted the job.”
by twoeightnine on Jan 20, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
My guess is that Buddy considered Marty and concluded than Gailey had more experience
in developing a QB more than Marty (or Billick). I think they liked Gruden and Shanahan for much the same reasons… Therefore Marty or Billick wasn’t contacted or more interest shown toward them.
If fans can’t understand this and support Gailey going forward, well that is their perogative. My feeling is that the Bills will struggle until they develop some more of the talent on their team and bring in more draft picks and playmakers at key positions.
If that's the reason then fire Buddy right now.
The QBs who became something under Marty were Bernie Kosar, Drew Brees and Philip Rivers.
by twoeightnine on Jan 20, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
If you think we have a qb that is as good as Kosar,Brees,or River's on our roster
please point him out.
Well, I wasn’t certain, quite frankly, that I was interested in coaching, but Buddy Nix has been an associate of mine for a number of years.
But, there was never a point in time that this was something that I was absolutely excited about doing, to be candid with you.
My discussions, as they unfolded, were very preliminary and never got beyond that point.
So they talked to Schottenheimer, interest was lukewarm on both sides. What’s the big deal?
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'm back
….after a 1 day retirement from this site. I have nothing better to do at work, and god forbid i actually WORK!
I have nothing new to add…..I’m just pretty sure we will be medicore for the next 3-4 years until Gailey is fired as well.
If you are just stuck in mud, you can be towed out…..but if you are sitting at the bottom of a ravine, It’s gonna take quite a bit more.
I feel everything that’s happened this offseason so far (the 2 biggest things there are: hiring a GM and a new HC) have been nothing more than trying to “gently nudge” the Buffalo Bills out of the bottom of the grand canyon.
In retrospect, I think we will find that we needed the Air Force choppers to lift us out, but settled for the crew from Joe’s towing.
As Barkey says: “I might be wrong; but I doubt it”
Nix and Gaily
bring us good old boy’s, back to the good old days. The rest of the wannabes can take a shot (steroid) in the Heimer
….back to the good ole’ days of WHAT?! So we get to hear 2 southern accents trying to explain why the Bills suck this time around….does that make it more manageable somehow?
Great Post
im gonna try and be optimistic like i always am.. Playoffs next year will make all of US feel better. That Fred Jackson is good. That O-Line could be real good with a LT. Defense is ok and now if they only had to play 2 quarters not 3 each game because we got an offensive minded coach they could be solid as well. This Jets team is 1 win away from the superbowl with a rook head coach and a rook QB. anything can happen in this great game of football. out of the 4 coaches in our division im gonna go out on a limb and say Chan Gailey has a better resume then 2 of em. As we move forwad.. Great Post B.
Good! Thanks Brian. Nobody is (but they will) allowed to complain about Chan...
… until we see the product on the field next year. I that shouldn’t be allowed until week 6.
Same goes for Buddy.
I’m not doing the happy dance right now.
But let’s give ’em a chance.
Signed,
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 20, 2010 7:23 PM EST reply actions
Tim Graham
On the six o’clock news they had Marty Shot on and he totally blew Tim Grahams report of Marty wanting the Bills job out of the water. Why is tim making up stories, or does he have an anreliable sourse?
Completely off topic, but...
There have been different offenses in the NFL in the past….Air Coryell, K-Gun, Greatest Show on Turf, Thunder and Lightning….if the Bills offense has talent….I say…
GAIL-STORM offense.
C’mon, it’s catchy….you know it…..
I must be bored….
by WagonCircler12 on Jan 20, 2010 10:29 PM EST reply actions
I just had to round back to Tedy Bruschi to say this:
He’s a dead ringer for Ponch.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 20, 2010 10:41 PM EST reply actions
Or even a combo of Ponch and Wayne Newton….
by WagonCircler12 on Jan 20, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
OK, LETS MOVE ON TO THE DRAFT!!!
Our coach is here, and what’s done is done. So whattya all think? I’ve seen Dez Bryant, and the OL from Oklahoma (whose name escapes me right now).
I would still love Bradford (if healthy), but no one thinks he will drop that far.
As far as OL (the other major need), it looks like Okung is the jewel of the draft, and HE will also not make it to #9!
I know we need LB also, but I’m not sure about these Alabama guys….unless “Biscuit” cloned himself.
As much as we want to win, I sure wish now he had 2 more LOSSES and were picking 4th or 5th.
Thoughts on the draft, anyone?
QB Garcia (via FA), starting LT, LB and NT via FA as well
first round: OLB or MLB
2nd round : DT or LT( or G if Wood can’t play and we do not resign Incognito)
3rd round: OLB or MLB
oh my god. Kiper just released his first mock draft of 2010, and has us taking Claussen! LOL Does Mel know that he is from California too, just like JP, Trent, and the legendary Rob Johnson!
Actually, I wouldn’t mind McClain at 9, and maybe Dan Lefevour in rd 2?
i wouldn’t rule out Clausen.
If he falls to us, I bet we take him, doesn’t matter where he’s from. And it’s not like he’s been playing in San Diego.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
yeah, true, but its uncanny how miserable QB’s that are originally from Cali have been on this team. I like that Claussen has been in a pro style offense, so maybe he can adapt to the pro game quicker than some. We got alot of needs, so it go one of a few ways. lets hope that whatever position we pick first, we FINALLY pick the RIGHT guy! I will be sick about Orakpo for the next decade it looks like.
You are against drafting Clausen because he's from Cali
but then want to draft Lefevour in round 2?
Yikes!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
just basing it on history, man. Look at the QB’s that hail from California that have played for us. They’ve all not just been bad, but god-awful! Jim Kelly even agrees that Cali-bred QB’s should not be here. Lefevour hails from the same conference that produced Big Ben…..is a similar style passer, and is actually regarded by many as someone with similar projectability in the pro’s. Being that drafting QB’s is a crapsahoot, YES i am against Claussen because he is from Cali, would like to take a OL or LB in round 1, and would love to snag Lefevour in round 2!
The Cali argument is used when people don’t want to look at the other reasons why a guy fails in the system.
Jim Kelly grew up in PA, but played his most important games at the U. He went on to Houston before “settling” on Buffalo once the USFL folded. It’s not like he should have succeeded in the cold, based on the argument that warm-weather states make a person thin-skinned.
Mark Sanchez is from California, but he’s doing pretty well in a rather windy, cold environment. Same thing with Eli Manning.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
And Clausen played a few cold weather games at ND....
And how many is he really going to play in Buffalo? 2-3 a year?
I absolutely hate the whole where a guy is from argument for why he might not work out for the Bills.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
People need to stop listening to BS reporting
we now live in the age of gossip reporting by all news outlets, it’s so annoying that i no longer watch espn other sports programs. it’s 99% garbage so why should we beat ourselves up over J-OFF Tim Graham or J Sullivan bloging about mostly speculative news. they rarely produce supporting evidence, even though I would rather have a much more credited HC I just can’t stand this BS from these guys. ESPN is the new MTV. Nix and Gailey are right, it wont matter if they win games and get us a championship, just like how Byrd was the most talked about pick in our draft, for the wrong reasons none the less, but he kicked ass this year and we all love the guy now. If he performs it wont matter who we didn’t take over him.
Everyone staring at the ground beyond the ledge.
Step back. By saying Gailey and Nix will fail and should be fired already, think about something for a minute. To me, it’s almost just because Gailey’s name is “Gailey,” that he’ll never be given a fair shot by many fans. Why? Simply because his name is now tied to the position where Cowher and Shottenheimer (and many others in the big(ger) name category) once sat.
Specifically, if Cowher was the answer, wouldn’t he be here? If he thought it was the right situation for him to return to the sideline, don’t you think he’d coach the team? Apparently it wasn’t. So, he very likely wouldn’t have brought the fans what they so desperately wanted from him. He was in a no-win situation. Fans would demand more from him. Chan Gailey can’t control that he’s not Cowher. He can only try to create a legacy all his own. At the end of the day, the team won’t be out 10+ million a year for a role of the dice with former success.
I was initially upset, but not so much at Gailey as I think about it—more for the fact that I let the media spin my mind around these other coaches and all the yes/no bs.
This isn’t all about Kool-Aid for me. I’m just rather tired of the process and what it took to get where we are and i’m ready to be happy it’s finally over. Shouldn’t we all want Gailey to succeed so that we don’t have to endure this again anytime soon?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2010 7:16 AM EST reply actions
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