State of the Bills Roster: Quarterback
by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 11:00 AM EST
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An incredibly busy off-season in western New York trucks on. The Buffalo Bills have hired a General Manager (Buddy Nix), hired a new head coach (Chan Gailey), and begun the process of overhauling their football operation (firing John Guy). More important decisions will follow, including Gailey's coaching staff, what happens in the front office, and, of course, what happens with Buffalo's roster.
It's the last of those that we'll now turn our focus to here, because quite frankly, I'm sick to death of talking about coaches and front office personnel all the time.
Throughout the nearly three years that this community has existed, our "State of the Bills Roster" series has been amongst our most-commented and most popular. That series begins anew today; now that we have some semblance of the type of player that the Bills' new decision-making regime will covet, we can begin analyzing which players may or may not have solid futures with the organization.
There's no better place to start this series with the quarterback position. It's going to be the primary focus of Nix and Gailey once the administrative stuff is taken care of, and with good reason - it's football's most important position, bar none. The current state of Buffalo's quarterback position follows after the jump.
What the new regime might be looking for
The answer to that is pretty obvious: change. Neither Nix nor Gailey sounded particularly enthused about Buffalo's current stable of quarterbacks, and with good reason: none is a starting-caliber player.
Nix mentioned at his introductory press conference that the fact that the Bills play football in Buffalo makes a strong-armed quarterback that can handle the adverse weather conditions at Ralph Wilson Stadium a necessity. That's what we know about Nix, and it's fairly basic.
As far as Gailey goes, there's a predominant theory running wild at the moment - with Michael Lombardi at the forefront - that Gailey prefers athletic quarterbacks, citing his recruit preference at Georgia Tech and his recent work with Tyler Thigpen as rationale. While I don't want to go so far as to discredit that notion - that would be ill-advised, because Gailey has had moderate success with athletic quarterbacks - I wouldn't want to slap him with that specific label, either. Let's face it - Georgia Tech isn't exactly a breeding ground for blue-chip NFL quarterback prospects, and Gailey wasn't going to attract that type of recruit while head coach at GT. It's feasible that he focused on finding athletes simply to maximize the play-making ability of his offense.
In short, I wouldn't rule out an "athletic quarterback" in Buffalo next season, but I don't think that particular trait will be nearly as much of a focal point as the Lombardis of the world do. It's not necessarily the style that Nix prefers, and Gailey shouldn't be pigeon-holed there, either. It seems obvious, but I think they'll just try to get the best quarterback they can, with style a secondary trait to production, leadership and potential.
Current personnel
Buffalo currently has four quarterbacks on its roster in some fashion. I'm certain I don't need to mention the overall quality of the players at this position.
Ryan Fitzpatrick. Emerged as the Bills' de facto starter during the 2009 season after his predecessor fizzled out. He appeared in 10 games for the Bills last year, finishing the season with 1,422 passing yards, 10 total touchdowns (nine pass, one rush), 10 interceptions and a quarterback rating of 69.7. If the season were to start tomorrow, there's little doubt in my mind that Fitzpatrick would be the starter.
Contract status: 2 years remaining. Owed $2.3 million in 2010 and $2.8 million in 2011.
Trent Edwards. Once considered the future of this position in Buffalo, Edwards is now damaged goods. His injury history is a concern, as is his utterly demolished confidence in himself. Edwards was hardly remarkable early in his career, but he was decisive and semi-productive, and helped the Bills win games. Now, he's a shell of his former self, and it's very easy to see Nix and Gailey simply cutting him loose and moving on.
Contract status: 1 year remaining. Owed $550 thousand in 2010.
Brian Brohm. I get why Brohm has more fan support than any other QB on the roster at the moment. Really, I do. He's got talent, and this team has been so starved for a QB that it's easy to get excited about anybody with talent. I'll just say this: one of the most loathed quarterbacks in Bills franchise history, Billy Joe Hobert, completed 17 of 30 passes for 133 yards with 2 interceptions in two brief appearances in 1997. It's very difficult for me to fathom why Brohm's stat line (17 of 29, 146 yards, 2 interceptions) is perceived any differently, even if he knew the watered-down playbook Buffalo's previous coaching staff prepared for him. Brohm, my friends, is nothing more than a developmental project player at this point. Stop with the hype. Please.
Contract status: Under contract through close of 2010 season. Salary unknown.
Gibran Hamdan. We'll keep this short: he'll likely be a restricted free agent (counting on the probability of no CBA), and the only reason he's on the roster in the first place is because he was signed when Edwards was injured late in the season. There is no upside with Hamdan, who by the way is one hell of a nice guy. Hamdan's Bills outlook: duck soup.
Contract status: Expired in March. RFA with no CBA, UFA with CBA.
Who stays? Who goes?
Let's get the easy one out of the way: Gibran Hamdan is a goner.
Brohm has a chance to stay. He's under contract, very cheap, and quite talented. There's no reason to believe Nix and Gailey won't at least give him a long look in mini-camp and training camp settings. There's also no reason to believe he'll be looked at as anything more than what he is: a project.
Obviously, Fitzpatrick and Edwards are the biggest question marks. I'll say this: I believe Nix and Gailey will look at production and whether or not they believe that they can win with these players. Fitzpatrick's lifetime record is 10-14-1; Edwards is 12-16. Not strong arguments for either player. However, the divide between the two is this: Fitzpatrick has proven of late that he can win games for you, while Edwards has proven of late that he cannot. Fitzpatrick is 8-4 in the last 12 games in which he's seen significant snaps. Edwards is 3-11 in the last 14 games in which he's seen significant snaps. Advantage: Fitzpatrick, particularly when considering his contract status.
If I were a betting man (and no, I'm not)
I think Brohm stays as a training camp arm and project player. I think Fitzpatrick stays, because he proved in the season finale against Indianapolis that he can throw in the snow, and because he's had moderate success in the win column of late. Hamdan has no shot at being here, and I think Edwards is done in Buffalo as well. Delving into the minds of Nix and Gailey, I think they'd like to find a veteran quarterback (or two) along with possibly a young guy (someone they draft, regardless of round) to toss into training camp alongside Fitzpatrick, who would be next season's backup, and Brohm. You need four quarterbacks anyway, so a vet to start, Fitzpatrick to back up, and a young guy to groom alongside Brohm wouldn't be the worst way to start at that position.
Names to keep an eye on
Absolutely no embellishment here, unless you ask for it, in which case I will provide my thoughts.
Chad Pennington. Michael Vick. Tarvaris Jackson. Tyler Thigpen. Billy Volek. Charlie Whitehurst. Sam Bradford. Jimmy Clausen. Tim Tebow. Dan LeFevour.
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Thigpen
I know his name keeps popping up becasue of Gailey, but, is he not under contract with Miami? Is he a FA this year?
In any case, I would take Whitehurst as the vet. Too many “ifs” surrounding Pennington, Vick, and Jackson.
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And the fact that Whitehurst has never attempted an NFL pass is not a rather alarming “if” to you? :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
also, can he be called a vet if he’s never played? lol
by quantumuprising on Jan 21, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
brian, if you could only choose one of the quarterbacks on the list you provided who would you take?
I have not decided yet.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
How is Whitehurst any different than a LESS experienced Brian Brohm?
by syrbillsfan on Jan 21, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Also, Pennington has sort of a one year up, one year down sort of mojo for his career. This could be an UP year for him. His noodle arm won’t help him too much up here in B-lo though.
by syrbillsfan on Jan 21, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t see that happening. Pennington is an injury waiting to happen and his arm strength is probably the worst of all starting QB’s in the NFL.
Vick is not a franchise QB imo. This league is all about passing and QB’s need to be able to throw for 3600 yards per season to be efficient enough to lead their team to the playoffs. Vick has never and will never be that kind of guy. He’s a helluva athlete, but his accuracy is remarkably bad and so are his leadership skills.
The one guy I would really look into trading for is Kevin Kolb. The guy has a rifle arm, is young, has talent and looked very good during the two games he started this year for the Eagles. Of course, the Eagles would be foolish to trade him one would argue, as it seems like McNabb is on a down-spiral.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 21, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Kolb looked great in those 2 games, but how much film did teams have on him?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think everyone knows what the pluses and minuses of Pennington are. I would not be thrilled to see him on the team, but he is a smart guy who doesn’t carry a big ego and is a good mentor for younger qbs. He is as professional as they come, and despite his marginal contribution on the field, he’d be an asset to the team. That said, I would not put that guy behind our O-Line as it is now and I don’t think he’d want to be there.
by oompaloompa on Jan 21, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
both of you raise valid questions
I just see him as more talented.
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I'll ask as well, is Thigpen still contracted with MIA or is he a FA?
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He’s under contract for next year. That’s why trades exist. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I would not.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I’d trade for Yancy Thingpen before I traded for Tyler.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
I would not.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Would you trade Yancy Thigpen for some Yancey’s Fancy?
by quantumuprising on Jan 21, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 23, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
There's a stench emanating from this group....
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by Kurupt on Jan 21, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
What's the Stench? Kurupt...it might be that I just farted lol
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I want to stay away from the unknown factors and as of right now the one thing I THINK I know is that Vick would immediately turn are offense into a top 5 rushing team even with the same personnal we have heading into next season. I don’t like the fact that he had character issues but lets hope that’s in the past
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I like Lefevour....
…..IF Bradford is gone and we can get him in round 2 or 3.
I REALLY hope we get Bradford though (assuming 100% health). Many mocks have the Skins taking him at 4, although it’s unlike Mike Shannahan to take a QB early. And, he has said Campbell will get anther shot w/ him as coach, which makes it also questionable that they would spend that kind of money on a QB, especially w/ the gaping hole in their O-line left by Chris Samuels getting hurt bad and possibly calling it quits. If the “illegal blocking scheme, er ZONE blocking scheme” will work, he will need some anchors on that line.
I bet
redskins go OT
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by killascript on Jan 21, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I’d bet they do. Shanny needs his zone blockers and that line is a mess.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
How Ironic
would it be if bradford, who’s at least half indian i believe, would go to the redskins
by ballinbills1315 on Jan 21, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
What's with the LeFevour love?
I think Levi Brown is a much better pro prospect then Lefevour. Crap I’d rather have Daryll Clark then Dirty Dan.
No, you had it right the first time, it’s Levi Brown. Levi Jones is an OT. Come to think of it, so is Levi Brown.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I like Lefevour...
Here are some of his stats from Wiki…
When is it okay to take a player from a weak conference or division? When they dominate…
Passing
Year – Games – Completions – Attempts – Comp % – Yards – TDs – Interception – QB Rating
2006 – 14 – 247 – 388 – 63.7 – 3,031 – 26 – 10 -146.2
2007 – 14 -355 – 543 – 65.4 – 3,652 – 27 – 13 -133.5
2008 – 11 – 251 – 376 – 66.8 – 2,784 – 21 – 6 – 144.2
2009 – 14 – 318 – 456 – 69.7 – 3,438 – 28 – 7 – 150.3
Career – 53 -1,171 – 1,763 – 66.4% – 12,905 – 102 – 36 – 143.7
143.7 Career passer rating, I know that college passer ratings are a little different, but it is still a valid stat…a TD-to-Int ratio of 3:1 and career completion percentage of 66%…not bad. Plus, he is very athletic and a threat to run, he can also be had in the 4th or 5th rd…he is 6-3 240 lbs, to me, he is the best available young project player with the greatest upside (with an acceptable projected round that would allow OBD to shore other areas of need while still getting "their’ possible future QB).
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Joined this group just to discuss LeFevour
This is my first post. I love football. And our Bills. I’ve been regulated to reading everyone’s comments on this site over the past 2 years without the ability to respond, due to not having home internet, as I connected via my blackberry.
Verizon Fios is now here. So here goes nothing…
They say LeFevour is a poor man’s Tebow. I believe both are on par with each other, skill wise, with the a slight nod going to LeFevour (for the Bills at least) due to his familiarity of playing in bad weather. (I do not have record of his numbers in bad weather games, however, with the humbers show above by NorCal are correct, I imagine he didn’t do too bad).
What I don’t understand is why he hasn’t gotten more pub from this site. Don’t his outstanding/boarder line ridicules numbers count when evaluating for future success? I realize he played in a spread or shotgun offense, but didn’t Big Ben? And isn’t the pro game becoming more of a passing league?
I believe Bradford, Tebow and LeFevour are the best leaders of men in the game of college football to come out of in the same year together since Eli, Philip and Big Ben. Jimmy Clausen on the other hand, is the JP Losman of this class. Great arm, all the talent, absolutely no long term history of being a proven winner (aka leader of men). But as we all know, talent doesn’t win football games alone. Heart, leadership, drive, and the ability to overcome adversity in the face of disaster are, in my opinion, more important.
But then again, what do I know?
Thoughts?
QB
I would add to list Hasselbeck and/or Mcnabb to that list if they are available
i think hasselbeck is about done
and mcnabb probably isnt going anywhere from philly
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
he did?
wow, good for Reid quieting that rumor down before it spread.
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doesnt mean a nice trade wouldnt loosen him, everyone in philly hates mcnabb for some reason. we might as well try to trade for him. maybe lynch ellison…idk ive heard many times on espn that philly expects “a kings ransom” for both their qbs. but id love to have mcnabb hes a real competitor and i love chunky soup! haha
I would welcome McNabb
with open arms! I think in the end, I think the Reid would have to have his opinion snubbed by the Eagles if he does get traded.
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Mcnabb has 1 year left on his contract. and a 6.2 roster bonus due in May. It makes a trade difficult. If the Eagles trade him before, a team is stuck with the bonus & also would be in a bad spot for negotiations. If the Eagles pay him the bonus, they’d need adequate compensation, probably more than anyone would give for McNabb.
I’d like to see him here for a few years, but I don’t see it happening.
Tavaris Jackson would be intriguing… I think he was just more of a project than Bard Childress had hoped… but he is athletic with a rocket arm… I just wonder if he would be cheap, and I wonder if Gailey and turn him, hell or anyone, into a competent defense reading QB… I’ll be happy with whoever they bring, as a Bills fan, there is nothing like seeing a new QB under center
Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!
The guy just seemed like another Michael Vick with very mediocre accuracy and a tendency to look out his throwing target, which obviously makes for a lot of interceptions. There’s no denying his levels of talent, but he’s at least not what I like in a QB.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 21, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
His the most talented QB and has the bestwinning percentage as a starter of the veterans....I'm talkin about VICK
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he is the dark-horse to me
Vick has matured, his TD in the playoff looked good, and if Reid could quit the goof-ball play calling, maybe the RB wouldn’t have screwed up the hand off for the fumble
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by killascript on Jan 21, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Well out of the non-rookie QB’s on the list I would have to say Thigpen is the one that Im interested in. Not only because of Gaileys knowledge of him, but I wish Buffalo made a move for him when the Chiefs released him. I think hes got some game to him, and with our line, mobility is a must have. Not Vick-like mobility, but just able to avoid pressure. But Brohm I think might have a chance to be our dark-horse starter (depending on training camp and everything)
If we go with a rookie I would like it to be Bradford. Only him and Clausen I see as NFL ready. I wouldnt be opposed to Tebow, but not in the first round, where those other two will go. I like Bradford just over Clausen, I dont know why, but something about Bradford tells me hes the guy, but chances are Ill be wrong and we’ll go with Clausen.
After all this being said… I still dont know anything. And Im glad Im not the one that has to try and make Bills fans happy… because as we all know… that is difficult to do lol.
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I know i’d never wear a Thigpen jersey. I want them to find a guy who can put the team on his shoulders. I don’t see Thigpen as anything more than part of the offense. They need a guy that when you say his name, you think
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Traded
I don’t think Thigpen was released by he chiefs – I believe he was traded to the dolphins for this years 5th round pick.
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
i say draft a QB first overall...
i believe 1 of the 2, clausen and bradford, will be up there when the bills pick. i’d say pick any one of them. if both, i’ll have to say clausen just because i’ve seen more games from him and he’s good. needs a polish and a QB coach who can get him over those humps but he’ll be good to go.
as for a vet, i’d say hasselbeck because i’m pretty sure the seahawks will nab the other QB and let hasselbeck go. along with that, i’d say we keep brohm and see how he does in training camp and fitzpatrick for insurance. i loved edwards coming out of college, but i see so much of JP in him – which hurts!!
if neither QB are up there, which could happen with either with washington and/or oakland (because al davis is from another planet) so it would change a lot of factors and the bills should pick up a OT or DE/OLB.
Clausen has that face...
you know the face Im talkin about, just something about it makes me just want to punch him in his face.
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
There are alot of Delusional and Fantasy driven people on this board........
lol…….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 21, 2010 11:35 AM EST reply actions
just to add incase no one has seen this. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Why-the-Bills-should-go-after-Michael-Vick.html
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I linked to that article in this post.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
No prob. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
LeFevour
I would love to see him in a Bills uniform next year! I’ve watched a good part of his career at CMU and he has done nothing but impress me. Especially this years Bowl Game comeback victory.
I obviously know that we need to fix our O-Line first and foremost. So if we can pick up an O Lineman in FA and one in the 1st round then I think we can go after LeFevour in the 2nd round and on.
He is projected to go 4-5...
but the draft / pro days are still way off so I am sure he will move up the boards a little…but it only takes one team.
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think Jason Campbell will be available...
ANd I think he’d be a good guy to grab. Like Edwards, he’s a young QB who was in a bad situation. Unlike Edwards, he’s shown he can play even if his line sucks and he has no WRs.
Washington will probably be looking for a new guy, and while he’s RFA, he’d probably go for a third round pick or so. I’d rather a guy who’s seen the NFL for a few years, than drafting some QB in the third round who may (but probably isn’t) be the franchise QB.
Living in DC I can say I’ve been keeping track of him, and he really has fought through every crappy thing the ‘Skins have thrown at him and looked a lot better than a lot of QBs. You can win with him, even if the ’Skins can’t.
paa on Campbell
one year wonder in college…………Inconsistant at best in the Pro’s………..might as well just stick with Fitz.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 21, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
plus he had Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams. Made him look alto better than he was. Not a fan of Campbell.
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Campbell
I’m a huge Campbell believer and a guy who is way underrated in my opinion. I believe the guy deserves a fair shot, and would be a perfect vet to bring in, and develop a rookie underneath him. Campbell averaged 7.1 yds per completion last season, 65% completion percentage, 20 TD’s 15 INT’s, ran 46 x for 236 yds, and just turned 28 years old. He has a big arm, and I think would be a great fit for Gailey’s offense. I’ll be on the Campbell train this off-season if there is anyway to pry him away from WASH. He is a RFA and Shannahan is not thrilled by his long term viability for his offense. Of all that list above, besides the rookie’s Clausen and Bradford, I’d for sure take Campbell over anyone else. Having a guy with some mobility a strong arm to cut through Buffalo’s wind, and has started 51 games, is a guy I’d love to have
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My thoughts on the QB situation:
Fitz was 5-4 as a starter last year right? That is good enough the new regime has to keep him around to see if he in fact did show enough to warrant a second chance. Before you all go up in arms, remember this team was a train wreck whenever Fitz didn’t stepped under center. I know I at least thought we had a chance when he was in. He’s probably not the answer but hes earned the right to stick around juuuust in case he is.
Brian Brohm has too much potential to let him leave.
Trent Edwards was demolished last year. And I’m not even talking about his second concussion and later injury. I’m talking mentally. I’ve never seen it happen that fast before and honestly, it wasn’t really fair. We threw him the no huddle, took away his offensive coordinator days before the season, and his o-line which already stunk was blasted by injuries. He was ruined. Too bad. I like Trent. I hope he can rebound somewhere else because its too late for it to happen here.
Finally, what we should do. I’m getting excited about this new age for the Buffalo Bills. We got an experienced, tough new GM. We signed an offensive minded coach who knows how to train and utilize QBs. Its time for the Buffalo Bills to take the next big step out of the cellar and in their franchise progression. Its time for the Bills to draft their franchise quarterback. In my opinion, we MUST take Bradford or Clausen if they are there at 9. For a while I was contemplating Rolando McClain but in the end I’ve decided our franchise needs its future. Chan Gailey is inheriting the same problem as every other new coach we’ve tried to get to win here since Jim Kelly left. An uncertain QB situation with no established future. Let’s end that now. Grab Bradford or Clausen, or at least do what it takes to move up and get one.
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by poz on Jan 21, 2010 12:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He’s [Fitz] probably not the answer
heh. no kidding.
In my opinion, we MUST take Bradford or Clausen if they are there at 9.
totally agree.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
I think taking Clausen or Bradford at #9 would set this team back abother 2-3 years...
We need at least one of each QB/OT/OG/DT/DE/LB…take the best available player at #9 at one of these positions…hopefully LT or LB
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
QB or OT
As much as the Bills need a OT a QB is needed as the cornerstone to build around.
O-line and LB can come in the next rounds. If Bradford or Clausen fall to the 9 spot I can see the Bills making one of them their no#1
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This is just too funny!!!!
I don’t think anyone on this board would disagree, we need OT, QB, and LB as our biggest needs… Those who want a QB first, will scream if we take an OT or LB… Those wanting a LB first, will scream if we take a QB or OT first… And around and round we go…
Folks.. The Senior Bowl hasn’t even been played yet!!!! ANY player ratings you read right now, I promise, will change drastically between now, through the Combine, and into individual workouts… Believe me… I’ve followed the draft since the early ‘80s… And only one thing is certain this early on…. Anyone trying to guess our picks now, will be extremely disappointed in April….. Heck, draft a QB in the first to develop (no QB in this draft is good enough to start day one), while we watch Fitz, et al get clobbered again because of not drafting, or signing, or developing a LT first…. Good move….
Of the QB names being tossed around… Jackson, Vick, and Campbell, might as well be JP clones… All the tools, but lacking the smarts… Noodle arm himself??? Yeah, he’d work out even less than Trent (unless as a QB coach)… Thigpen? Don’t we already have his clone too in Fitz Whitehurst??? Brohm…..
Point is…. Settle down… Let’s see what happens in the coming month or two…. Let Buddy and Chan evaluate what we have…. Then, maybe Nix will surprise with a heck of a trade, or something, but I doubt it… He already said he prefers to build through the draft…
by Cinga on Jan 21, 2010 12:09 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
This is a good post, and thus gets a recoppotamus from me.
WAY too early to be drawing lines in the sand with draft prospects, folks.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
awww, you've adopted adding silly stuff to the end of "rec"
i’m giving the the rec’ing ball.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Rectastic
I would like to add that, regardless of who that player happens to be, or what player is rated at that spot in the following months, that the best draft strategy is to draft the Best Player Available. Simple enough. If we would have done that last year, we would have had Oher, or Cushing, or a slew of other players that were and are better than Maybin (as a disclaimer I am not bashing Maybin or saying he was a bad draft pick, just that it was a reach to take him where we did). The best thing to do in the draft is to get the best players you can. Sure, we need a QB, LB, OT. But if there are none worthy of that pick at #9, but a great OG or DT is there, take that player. Value is the name of the game.
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First round pick
I agree. This QB class is thought of as a fairly deep draft class. Not 1983 deep, but deeper than most of them in recent years. It’s just not loaded with elite, starting talent… as of today.
I was the guy who fell to his knees when we passed on Oher last year. If we don’t address the OT position with our first pick, I’ll end up doing it again. Maybe even something worse. The success:failure ratio for OT vs QB in the first round is the reason why OT is what we should be looking at. I’m not saying that OLinemen never bust, but the percentage of them who become successful first year starters is much higher.
We need an impact player with our first pick. If we don’t, it won’t matter who is under center this year.
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by Run Thurmal Run! on Jan 21, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
The bigger question I have is
Do we want our first round pick to be an immediate impact player. I have to say yes. Thats why I would grab McClain instead of an OT or QB.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
this I can get on board with
I would be most ok with skipping a QB for a guy like McClain beause our linebacker corp would be immediately upgraded and we could shelve it as a need entirely.
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That is my only issue with drafting a QB or OT
early in the first round. Your points as well as many others are dead on about the QB position and OT position. I will give you this. If we do draft a QB in the 1st round I feel much better about it with Chan Gailey as our head coach than anyone else. JMO.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
the first round pick SHOULD be an immediate impact player........
not a project player…….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 21, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Do we want our first round pick to be an immediate impact player. I have to say yes.
I disagree. You want your first pick, and all your picks for that matter, to be the best long term player you can get. If you’re focused too much on need or immediate impact you’re going to fall behind in the long run.
Short sighted thinking is not the way to go for a 6 win team. If you’re a player away from the Super Bowl, that’s worth considering. But the Bills aren’t anywhere near that level.
Having said that, McClain still might be the best option either way.
by Pistol on Jan 21, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you have a top 10 pick...
he better be more than a project player, a starter preferably from day one..
Good point, but when a franchise relies on it’s draft because they don’t go out and add a ton of free agents, what you get out of the draft becomes even more critical, both short AND long term.
The Bills margin for error is much slimmer than most franchises. That’s why you do need players to contribute on some level. We don’t have the luxury of being able to store “potential” players.
umm…
The Senior Bowl hasn’t even been played yet!!!! ANY player ratings you read right now, I promise, will change drastically between now
isn’t a bit contradictory to tell us we can’t rate players yet but then you yourself say
no QB in this draft is good enough to start day one
And I dont think anyone on here said they will be screaming if what they are suggesting isn’t taken. I’d be personally happy with a OT, LB or QB in the first round but believe a QB is clearly the best of the three options – if Bradford or Clausen are still there. And I think Clausen and Bradford can start from day one. Bradford was going to go number one overall two years ago and then he missed a year and Clausen has a 7 to 1 touchdown to pick ratio in a pro style offense.
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Cinga this was meant a response to your post
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Yes, Bradford might have been a #1....
And so would Brohm have been if he’d come out early…. Look… I’m not saying no signal guy in the first… But only if one of these guys rates the pick on draft day, and no higher rated need is there… OT mainly… I liked your prior post until the draft a QB line… We finally have a “great” offensive mind in Buffalo, something lacking since….since…. I give up!!!! And as I’ve said before, I don’t think the Bills are that far away from being able to play with the best of them talent wise… Coaching, Strength and Conditioning, and play calling were our biggest problems…. NOT our QBs….
ummmmmmm......
Clausen has a 7 to 1 touchdown to pick ratio in a pro style offense.
Against some of the worst defenses in the NCAA……..he only played against 2 teams whos defense ranked above 40 this year……..
and those two games were by far his worst games.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 21, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Claussen/Bradford
Although I hate Notre Dame, they are always on TV so i got to see Claussen play and was very very impressed. Bradford seems injury prone, but put up HUGE numbers and is projected to be good. I say we take either one if they are available. If not, I say we go O-Line first 2 rounds.
If not Claussen, I say Pike
As far as FA’s I would try and get Mcnabb, then Orton, and then things sort of fall off, maybe Kitna? for backups, unless we can get something for him, I wouldn’t mind keeping Edwards around. Brohm could be a good third project.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jan 21, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I like Pike too. And if somehow he falls to the 3rd round, and we havent taken a QB yet I would love OBD to pick him. I like his size, and he definitely put up numbers, obviously doesnt translate into him becoming a NFL star… but I see alot of upside in him and could see why he can become an NFL QB.
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pike doesnt impress me
because i think hes the product of the system and crappy big east. i mean his backup came in and preformed just as well as pike. pike isnt worth a look in my opinion. i think if tebow is there in the second, hes gotta be a strong possibility. i have no idea who the bills should get in the first, but i hope its an impact player.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed that our first round pick better be an impact player. Either impact the line, LB core, or QB situation. And about Pike I wouldnt use a pick on him in the first 2 rounds, but if we decide to go LB and OT in the first two rounds, and Pike is there in the 3rd I would say take him. But not before the 3rd. Im excited about this draft. I think it will be a good one.
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Pike is a system QB … doesn’t have any experience in a pro style offense … transition to pro game would be a big question mark.
Unfair Knock on Pike
Everything I’ve seen from Pike suggests he can anticipate a throwing lane, be accurate with the ball and be decisive(!) That’s something you just don’t find every day. Athletically, he is very gifted.
If B’lo passed on him in the third round, I would be disgusted.
in a salary cap era, no single unit (offense or defense) should be consistently sub-average for such a long stretch.
Agreed. Not a round one or two guy. But as a third rounder with either a stud LB or OT. Then the second on what we didnt in the first. With pike if available, i think he will, in the 3rd.
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by bflo on Jan 21, 2010 7:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, but the point is that being decisive is based on the system – spread qb’s usually only have 2 reads they have to make that are dictated by the coach when the play is called in…thats why so many teams give bonus points to the qb’s that have actually played under center and have had to diagnose defenses before.
by quantumuprising on Jan 22, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Bradford
People forget that Bradford is also a spread offense wonder. Sure, he appears to have all the tools he needs to be successful, but you have to be wary of the numbers he put up. Buffalo is not “Spread Heaven” to say the least. Really, with proper scouting, we might be able to get who we need in later rounds because most of the NFL is spread crazy. We need more of an old school type to back up our running game.
You’re going to talk about a product of a system and then drool all over Tebow?
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
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by UZ on Jan 21, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
tebow played in the SEC
he also was a proven winner, winning 2 NC’s and another BCS bowl. what has pike ever done? had one good year? tebow’s rushing numbers are a product of the system he plays in, his throwing numbers and ability are a given commodity. i dont see how anyways compares pikes system to tebows….
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
pike didn't look so good when he had to play an sec defense, did he?
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
The U of Florida has had COUNTLESS QB’s do amazing things on the field on Saturdays. So….name ONE that’s been worth a crap on Sundays? JUST ONE!
it just takes 1.
cal had a bunch of guys who sucked in the NFL until Aaron Rodgers….each player is different. school doesn’t have much to do with it, except that you know what kind of talent he had around him and what kind of competition he faced.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
...that just because danny weurful was bad doesn't mean tebow is.
the same way Kyle Boller stinking doesn’t make aaron rodgers stink. ya dig?
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Rogers threw an acurate deep pass, didnt have a worse throwing motion than Vince Young, and actually took snaps under center and didnt spend 95% of his college career in the shotgun formation. I’m basing my argument on the fact that Tim Tebow does not have the skills to be a franchise NFL quarterback. not my words, but damn near every scout and GM….but what do they know, right?) You can draft a guy for his leadership, but not in the first few rounds. “leadership” is the only reason anyone even keeps talking about this guy. I’d love for Tebow to be a Buffalo Bill, but long after we have either Claussen or Bradford secured. If Tebow is anyones answer for the future at QB of the Bills, we are all doomed
what you said was.
The U of Florida has had COUNTLESS QB’s do amazing things on the field on Saturdays. So….name ONE that’s been worth a crap on Sundays? JUST ONE!
That’s dumb. That’s what I was saying. If you want to debate Tebow’s merits as a player rather than dismissing him because Shane Matthews stunk, that’s a different discussion.
By the way you know who else didn’t have the physical tools to succeed in the NFL, but just won in college? Joe Montana.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
you are pushing for Tim Tebow to be our franchise QB. You may wanna re-think that…..or look in the mirror
no i'm not.
If you look above, I said i’d prefer Clausen and spikes over McClain and tebow.
I’m just refuting your case that he stinks because Danny Wuerffel stinks. (man tom brady stinks because Drew Henson stunk, doesn’t he?)
…or look in the mirror
what?
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Agreed. A college trackrecord of transfering to the NFL has no real basis. It depends where you get drafted and how the team uses you. If two QB’s fail in the NFL that went to the same school but years apart doesnt make every player of that position bad. Its just coincidence. Theres been good and bad QB’s to come out of all schools.
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by bflo on Jan 21, 2010 7:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Never said he was or that i wanted him in buffalo. Im for bradford out of the rookies. Tebow was just an example of the point.
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by bflo on Jan 21, 2010 8:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i didnt say he stinks BECAUSE Wuerfel stunk. He is not a franchise QB (for NFL purposes) because he does not possess the BASIC fundamental skills an NFL quarterback must have. I was simply using Wuerfel as an indictment on the history of UF QB’s, which was an entirely different argument! it wasnt even an argument….just a fact: The gators have not produced a single legitimate franchise QB in the NFL. (but, its interesting to know that the QB’s that DID come out of UF: Wuerrfel, Matthews, Grossman) all threw the deep ball accurately….knew how to run an offense w/o it being out of the shotgun 100% of the the time, and who could also make throws all over the field, and read their progressions against heavy rush. SOOOOOO, it stands to reason that if they all COULD do that at Florida and were NFL failures, you cant really expect a guy that CANT do that in college to somehow be an NFL success. thats just insane.
i didnt say he stinks BECAUSE Wuerfel stunk.
You wrote:
The U of Florida has had COUNTLESS QB’s do amazing things on the field on Saturdays. So….name ONE that’s been worth a crap on Sundays? JUST ONE!
What exactly did you mean by that, if not that coming from Florida was an indictment of Tebow?
but, its interesting to know that the QB’s that DID come out of UF: Wuerrfel, Matthews, Grossman) all threw the deep ball accurately….knew how to run an offense w/o it being out of the shotgun 100% of the the time, and who could also make throws all over the field, and read their progressions against heavy rush. SOOOOOO, it stands to reason that if they all COULD do that at Florida and were NFL failures,
I would’ve thought that was evidence that you’re not good at measuring those skills, or else they aren’t wats important for NFL qb’s- clearly they haven’t translated.
But again, your argument that “Player X from a decade ago seemed better than Tebow, and he stunk, so Tebow can’t ever be good” is pretty toothless.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
yeah, well ive actually asked you a few times now to name one reason why you think Tebow will be good other than “leadership” or “heart” but you clearly cant think of one, so you would rather go round and round in circles.
you lost. learn from it and move on.
actually i've responded twice. look below, at the last two times you've asked the question.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Ill name one. Flutie. Lead us to the playoffs with heart.
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by bflo on Jan 21, 2010 8:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I see flutie and tebow as the same player. Tebow runs a little more and would rather run over. But for the most part i see the same style.
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by bflo on Jan 21, 2010 8:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
there are similarities
but while Flutie was undersized with a weak arm, Tebow has a perfect NFL body and a strong arm.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Flutie was an accurate throwing QB...
Tebow is a semi-accurate throwing RB…
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
i dont get this semi-accurate argument
the man has over a 65% completion for his entire college career? how high must it be to be considered accurate?
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 22, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
you lost. learn from it and move on
really? this is what it has devolved to? ok no point in continuing this.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
soooo
because Washington state gave us drew bledsoe we should give kevin lopina a good look? what a weird argument
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Ken Dorsey
If you’re going to wave the “Proven Winner” flag, look no further than Ken Dorsey. I’ll agree that outside of winning they don’t have a lot in common. You just have to kind of take the wins out of it and just watch film when they evaluate these guys to get the right picture.
with Weis at KC as OC and KC picking 5, what is possibility of KC taking Claussen? He spends a couple years behind Cassel or pushes him aside.
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Plus, they have too much invested in Cassel.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jan 21, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Project Positions
QB or OL. But can’t the same arguement be made for the OL as QB. Aren’t they both considered project positions with the rare occassion of someone coming in and nailing it from the beginning. I guess you can make the same arguement for any position but you would have to agree that some are more sophisticated in scheme and technique than others.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
Yeah, but we don’t get to pick this low that often (I hope). QB should be our first priority I think. Could be a bust, but picking 9th in the 2nd isn’t too shabby for a LT either.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jan 21, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
dont risk it when you have a sure thing in McClain. The guy is a day one starter and would solidify the D for years. QB’s are so hit or miss, we cannot afford to blow another 1st round pick. McClain has to be the guy.
Unfortunately
We can’t be scared off by past drafting failures. If the FO decides they like someone better than McClain they need to draft him. Even if he is a “project”. And BTW I’m a huge fan of McClain.
yeah, i am leaning more toward McClain now. Maybe we bring in a FA veteran QB for this year, and draft one if we REALLY like one in the middle rounds, or just wait for 2011 and Jake Locker. I don’t see us doing better than 6-10 next year, does anyone else? I don’t know how many other teams would be looking for franchise QB’s next year
CFL - Anthony Calvillo
Why not look at the CFL’s Anthony Calvillo – may be an interesting (and under Buffalo’s budget) choice.
Calvillo is going to be 38 years old in August.
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hes juuuuuuuuuust about to his his prime haha
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
If we can throw out CFL quarterbacks
what about Michael Bishop then?
Haha
Remember when he’d come in at the end of a half for New England to throw the Hail Mary? I think he actually completed one one time too…
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I know your supposed to get your big guys first, if claussen is still there, shouldn’t we tke him anyway?
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jan 21, 2010 12:55 PM EST reply actions
Sure, if he’s the highest-graded player on their board that’s available. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think the belief that you need to build an OL before you draft a QB is completely wrong. If Clausen is a good pick at number 9, take him and then build a team around him.
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Absolutely
The facts are overwhelming. 90% of teams that make successful deep runs have a good or better QB. Only exceptions that come to mind in the last 10 years are the 2000 Ravens (Dilfer) and the Jets this year (even they drafted a QB high – might not be good yet but he likely will be). So that means 2 teams out of 40 who made it to a championship game had crud QB’s. Seems to me you need one if you want to join the 38 out of 40 group.
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It works both ways
Really depends on each team and how the GM/coaching staff fells. Rivers and P.Manning were drafted w/o a great OL already there; Roethlisberger and Flacco had a good OL; Ryan had one built for him in the off-season he was drafted.
So I do agree with you… we should just keep options open.
we should just keep options open
Exactly. There is no right or wrong way to do this. The strengths and weaknesses of every draft and FA class are unique.
And Phil Rivers was drafted when SD had a God awful OL. They replaced all five opening day starters the offseason that they drafted Rivers. Eli Manning was another guy drafted behind a bad OL that the Giants then built up for him.
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What about Billy Volek?
If we end up going the seasoned QB route, why not give him a look. He has been awfully successful everywhere he has been. I don’t know what the fallout was about in Tennessee but he put up some gaudy #’s there.
Not bad. He’s earned a starting shot
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jan 21, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
You know you’re in trouble, when you’re discussing Billy Volek as your starting QB
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 21, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Volek... worth a look
He played “pretty well” for the Titans and they all here were initially in love with him. But then, he and Coach Jeff had an issue and he was gone in a blink of an eye.
Something happenend behind closed doors, and all the media reported were Jeff’s “coachspeak” comments.
Just saying… worth a look. He has talent.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 21, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
I have Volek in the little blue box at the end of the post. He’s been in SD since Marty’s last year, which means Buddy knows a lot about him.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I really don’t get the Dan LeFevour love. Nice prospect, but I would be stunned if he went before the 4th round of the draft. Personally, I wouldn’t pick him until the 5th at the earliest. Just as an example, Scott Wright from Draft Countdown has him rated 12th behind studs like Daryll Clark, Jarrett Brown, Sean Canfield and Levi Jones.
The Brohm love is more understandable, but I still think it’s way over the top. I don’t understand what makes him different from every other early round pick who flopped and got cut before their rookie contract ended.
I completely agree with Brian on the not pigeon-holing Gailey as a guy who wants a moblie QB. Maybe he does, but considering that he probably didn’t choose to work with the athletic QBs that he did in the pros, it’s not a foregone conclusion that he will find one here. Especially since Buddy Nix is the one with the final call on personel stuff. I also think that building an offense for college and for the NFL are completely different things. There’s a reason why teams are moving further and further away from traditional offenses in NCAA. It’s much easier to build and offense around a running QB in college than it is in the pros and there simply aren’t that many good pocket passers in college football. I wouldn’t read into Gailey’s recruitment and playing of Reggie Ball.
I really, really hope that Buffalo doesn’t sign a Mike Vick with the goal of winning as many games as possible next year. If he’s considered a better choice than Pennington because he has a strong arm and can win cold weather games, then I’ll go ahead and say that the decision maker isn’t seeing the big picture. The goal of adding a QB should be about stability and building an offense for the long haul. Doesn’t mean that Mike Vick can’t be that guy, but you need a clear plan if you’re going with Vick. First you need a QB in that mold to groom behind him. Second, you need to establish a versatile running attack with both power runs up the gut and big play ability on the outside. Third you need to find and/or develop bigger receiving targets for Vick and his replacement. You need a vision if you’re going that route.
If Buffalo went the Pennington route, options are more open. Pennington may not be the way to win a playoff game, but in my opinion, he’s the quickest way to make our offense look like a real NFL offense. He can work with a lot of different types of WRs and can play in a variety of pro style offenses because he can read defenses, go through his progressions and times throws as well as any QB in the league not named Drew or Peyton.
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You might be right, as long as we draft a QB in the first two rounds and groom him for a year behind Pennington, because we all know Pennington is an injury waiting to happen and his lack of arm strength will make it impossible to have any downfield passing.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 21, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s the downside with Pennington. He’s just a one year solution. At this point in his career, he defines stopgap.
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Same here. LeFevour is a 4-5 in my mind as well. If I’m picking a guy in the mid-rounds to develop, I like his moxie and his tools. That’s why I listed him. (Not to mention the fact that if I hadn’t, someone would have hunted me down and flayed me within an inch of my life.)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
dont be silly..........
im sure they wouldnt left 2 inches.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 21, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
im full of fail today.
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 21, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhhhh...
don’t be so hard on yourself… Imagine how JoeP feels today after his rants yesterday!!! LOL!!!
judging by those rants
i’d bet he has a headache and a bit of a testy stomach….
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
sounds dirty
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
(Not to mention the fact that if I hadn’t, someone would have hunted me down and flayed me within an inch of my life.)
Remembered me, didja?
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
AARIN MEIBIN IS TEH SUZZORZ, am I right?
by UZ on Jan 21, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
great comment Kaiser
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
would have*
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 21, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions
Im NOT advocating for this in any way.
But what of Donte Culpepper? I think he is a reasonable get in a trade. He’s got the arm and the experience. He doesn’t want to be in Detroit. Thoughts?
He’s a dome warrior. I wonder if he could handle the elements. I remember he had like 5 TDs in one game as a Raider, but I think he’s really winding down as a player.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Qbs
If the Bills don´t take Bradford or Clausen I´ll take Tony Pike, Colt Mccoy, and Tebow in the draft and keep Edwards on the team I bet on of the 3 is gonna be a great qb.
The only one of those 5 I would be terribly upset about Buffalo taking (in any round) would be Colt McCoy. I dont see NFL QB when I see him. He seems that he never really matured physically. He looks like a highschool kid. Decent numbers… but just dont see him becoming much of a player.
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2 names to throw out
I like both these guys, but not sure how they would fit -
Troy Smith
Bruce Gradkowski
Also I have no idea if they are even available or contract status.
Thoughts?
I scanned this quick and thought you said Troy Aikman.
Now that would be interesting. But yes, I’d love to see them investigate Smith. I don’t think he’ll be available though (CBA drama).
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Gradkowski IMO is a good backup, that can come in if called upon and keep the game close with a chance to get you a win. But as a starter I dont like it.
Smith is interesting, was supposed to be the starter two years ago but got pretty sick in the pre-season. I really have no opinion on him because I dont know about him much.
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I tend to agree with that
But even saying that, I still think Gradkowski is better starter material than anything the Bills have right now. Providing of course, he is in the right system and not asked to do too much. I know the guy is tough, and he can play in cold weather.
I think Smith could be a good starter (not great), but just hasn’t had the chance.
kiper has released his latest mock
and has the bills taking clausen at 9. both ots gone by then, and bradford to wash. mclain not in top 9. just thought i would share
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if thats the case, with McClain still available… thats a tough choice. Clausen or McClain?!
My choice would be McClain.
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McClain is a no-brainer. He is a day 1 starter that is compared to Patrick Willis. Seriously it is so easy. I really hope they don’t settle on some second rate LT when an excellent player like Mcclain is right there.
I’ll provide counter-argument. Patrick Willis hasn’t exactly made the 49ers into a contender. While McClain may possess similar attributes, abilities, and acclaim, the Bills need people who will be able to lift them to the top of their division. I hope they look at the offense’s futility first and draft somewhere along the front line and the guy catching the snap.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
plus i think spikes will be available second round
so i would think if they go qb or ot in first round, spikes might be their second round pick, and i think spikes will be a beast in this league also
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
If he continues to poke guys’ eyes out, he’ll be more than a beast. He’ll be a target.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
dont worry
no eyes were poked out, or even touched.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
ROLANDO!!!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 21, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Kidding me???
Qb´s or great D wins games. As we all know we don´t have any of them, so QB is the answer, you built a team around a QB not a LB. Look at the niners, they got the best MLB in the league and they still suck BIG TIME.
Please don´t make the same mistake than last year, and last last year and the year before that.
Yeah, the niners, like most other teams, win games when their QB plays well and they lose games when he doesn’t. Assuming that Buffalo thinks Clausen has the necessary intangibles, I think passing on him for a LB would be crazy.
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I fully agree. You don’t (well, you shouldn’t) always have an opportunity to pick so high in a draft. That’s where the QBs are.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
totally agree rick
We have a top 10 pick which means we have the chance to grab an elite QB prospect.
Please don´t make the same mistake than last year, and last last year and the year before that.
I really hope we don’t. We have failed back to back times when drafting a QB for the future outside of the elite. In 2004 we drafted JP Losman at the end of round 1. The elite prospects that year were all taken in the top 11 (Eli, Rivers, Big Ben). In 2007 we drafted Trent Edwards in the 3rd round. Both gave enough glimpses of being the franchise guy for us to waste seasons and personnel moves trying to support them. That eats up too much time! The last thing I think we can afford to do is try a second or late first QB. Our experience shows us what can happen. Its time Buffalo showed itself, the fans, and the league it is seriously about returning to respectability by drafting a top tier QB.
Look at the playoffs. Teams with quarterbacks are playing games in January. Teams without one are all sitting home.
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by poz on Jan 21, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and
I know top tier QBs can bust and kill a franchise, 2007 also gave the Raiders Jamarcus Russell, but it just has to be gambled. You have to take risks to become a powerhouse.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Then there’s the problem in Houston. Great QB (I finally think he’s legit) but he’s not enough to lift that team in their division.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
They need their defense to play more consistently. Doesn’t matter how many studs (Williams, Okoye, Ryans, etc.) they have. Their secondary is pretty average too.
They also lost Owen Daniels and the team kinda lost itself for a few games.
9-7 though isn’t bad for a franchise that was never ever above .500.
Their kicker, Kris Brown, had a terrible season too.
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I think the Texans are in pretty great shape
to be a playoff staple over the next 4 or 5 years actually. I think they’re ready to peak (though I don’t think they are Super Bowl potential) next season. Imagine if the Texans can land a nasty DT to go on that D-line and a running back to compliment Slaton?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Kipers draft...
Yea, Mel Kiper said that Jimmy Clausen would fall to 9. Here is my issue though, I think that we can all agree that we need a franchise quarterback, but we also reaaaallllyyy need an offensive line. I think if we got Clausen in the 1st round then we would have to expend at least 2 picks on o-line. However…i know alot of people are not on the tebow bandwagon, i personaly am. I think we should draft an OT in the first round, and pick up tebow in the 2nd if he is still around.
Id Rather Have Tim Tebow at 9 than Clausen. But I really Hope we take Mcclain at 9, its a no-brainer!
i dont want clausen, and there will be reason he falls to 9. He is simple not that great. I’d rather take Tim Tebow at 9 than Clausen and I hope he proves all the doubters wrong. Its funny to hear everyone say, he will never make it in this league and then here the announcers say, you know who is going to take him? Who Phil Simms? The New England Patriots cuz Bill B is very smart. O.K? so you just contradicted yourself by saying he will never make it, but one of the smartest minds in Football will draft him??? I dont get this guys? Sorry I am a fan of Tim Tebow and would love that pick. You also get a natural born leader for this team, something they have been missing since they had London Fletcher in my opinion.
Im gonna wander briefly OT here
England Patriots cuz Bill B is very smart. O.K? so you just contradicted yourself by saying he will never make it, but one of the smartest minds in Football will draft him??
Does anyone else find it ironic,and satisfying that New England really hasn’t won anything of note since spygate? And by anything of note I mean Superbowls.
I know, exactly my point I was trying to make weeks back about how Tom Brady is not that good and I could pick 10 QB’s better than him. Cheating helps a lot. Like i said before, if I had all the questions known going into a test, I could get 100% every time. It isn’t hard. The spygate thing obviously helped them a lot, but they have lost their whole Defense from the time when they were good and are currently rebuilding there. However, I’ll make my point again, Tom Brady is highly overrated and shouldn’t even be put into the same category as Drew Brees or Manning. But he is, and the NFL is in love with this guy. The year they didn’t make the Super Bowl (Steelers vs. Seahawks) he was there flippin the dang coin before the game. DID YOU SEE HOW GOOD TOM BRADY LOOKED FLIPPING THAT COIN??? lol i hate that man and the all the gaytriots, sorry =)
That’s a pretty huge assumption that Belichick would draft Tebow.
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no brainer
Best LB in the draft has to be taken if there, especially considering we’d probably looking at the 3rd best OT (at least predictably) maybe we can make some interesting moves in the draft and pre-draft to get some of the best players for some need… but I would love McClain… we need two first round picks again, maybe 3… lol
Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!
just out of curiosity
Would people be surprised if Gailey’s plan is to trade for Vick, develop an offense around his scrambling strengths and big arm, and then draft Tebow to be his franchise heir apparent to that system? Would people be ok with that?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Im ok with everything in that plan
except for drafting Tebow. I just don’t want anything to do with him at all. And now that I said that the Bill’s will draft him just to mess with my mind.
why not? As an NFL QB or just overall don’t like him?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I just don't like him as an NFL QB prospect
He’s got this Andre Ware type of vibe to me.
That is a very intriguing idea
Although my jury is still out on Vick with the whole dog thing. And Gailey said he is big on character. Not for me to judge, but just an observation. And on Tebow, I really know nothing about him other than what I’ve read on here. I don’t watch much college ball other than Buckeye games. I’m usually busy on Saturdays so my Sundays are free to watch NFL. From what I’ve read, they seem to have similar styles. Also, do you think the Bills could afford both?
I think they could
can you see Vick demanding much pay? I don’t. I guess he could be had for 4-7 mil a year, which isn’t half bad. It is a trade after all, so he couldn’t use teams bidding against each other.
As for Tebow, I guess that plan would force the Bills to draft him at 9 since the Jags have openly said they are targeting Tebow (or at least as close to publicly saying it as possible). Sanchze was picked 4th last year and got a 5 year 44.5 million dollar contract. I’d guess this year it might cost as nearly as much probably less. The draft team here will know better than I. But I do think we could afford both.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
As long as Buffalo gets Vick as an FA and doesn’t take Tebow with the 9th pick, then I could get pretty excited about that plan.
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Obviously Tebow posts and cause world war 3's....
But, Tebow is one of the most interesting prospects I can remember. Reminds me a little of Antwaan Randel-El, Matt Jones, Scott Frost, Eric Crouch….except some scouts want him to stay at quarterback. I think there are some important points for both sides.
Pros—
Obviously, he is a leader and winner. He has played against the best competition in football. He has a very strong arm. He is a hard worker in practice and in the off-season. He is a high character guy. He is very athletic and mobile. He loves football, which I really believe is an important but missing factor in a lot of players.
Cons—
He does have the ugly throwing motion. He wasn’t a “pro-style” QB. He could rub people the wrong way. I think about a guy like Fred Jackson. He worked his tail off to make it to an NFL starter from Coe College. Then let’s say Tebow starts a game in 2010, and he starts yelling at teammates like they show him on the sideline constantly in highlights. I have a hard time believing a guy like Jackson would be ok with that. Or Lee Evans…or if T.O was still here for some reason, imagine how that one would go down. Wow. This is where his leadership could be an issue. He is definetely a project player.
The pro’s look good, but to me, the con’s actually look good too. Think about it. An ugly throwing motion, that can be fixed, and with the passion Tebow has I am guessing he would be the 1st one at practice, last to leave, and would be working on that extra time every day. The leadership issue really could go either way, but I would think that if he was obvioulsy working harder than most rookies in training camp, practices, pre-season, offseason, he would earn respect to become a leader. And as poz said, if we went the Vick/Tebow route, I don’t see the project being an issue. We could also try for Travirus Jackson in place of Vick.
I really believe Tebow will be a great NFL QB, because of the insane work ethic I believe he will bring to the pro’s, as well as the fact that he loves the game. And I really believe Gailey will develop a system to maximize his potential.
by WagonCircler12 on Jan 22, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
With the cons...
Do you really think that a rookie quarterback would start yelling at the more productive members of his offense? I think that if tebow started a game in 2010 as a quarterback for the bills, he would have a bigger fire inside than fitz, edwards, or brohm. Realistically tebow is a character guy, and I am assuming that as a rookie quarterback in the NFL he’ll be soaking up as much information as he could, and learning. I bet he’ll save the yelling for later in his career haha. For now though, lets just hope that we get a quarterback worth a crap
About this
Realistically tebow is a character guy,
Character has never won a single game in NFL history.
Easily
Character doesn’t run,throw or,catch. It doesnt tackle,or intercept. Character is nice to have but it doesn’t win you football games.
neither has arm strength or footwork
no one attribute or skill wins football games. I would actually say that lack of character has lost quite a few NFL games..
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Ive been a tebow supporter since day 1, and I will go buy a tebow jersey the moment they sign him if they do. I hope so much that we get tebow because although he’s not “starting” material just yet, chan gailey and whoever we get get as a QB coach will help tebow become a monster in the NFL. I really dont see how its possible for anyone to say that tebow will be a flop in the NFL he’s the greatest quarterback to pass through the ncaa. I really hope tebow is the bills quarterback come draft day.
like i have said before
ill probably get a tebow jersey regardless (except miami, jets, dallas and ne) but it would be much cooler if my tebow jersey was a bills jersey as well
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
My crazy thought....
I would be on board with trading our #9 & Marshawn to Philly for D Mac & their 24th. I know that Andy Reid has said he’s sticking with Mac but the right offer and he’s on the next bus out. Given our penchant for poor drafting in the upper early rounds, I would much rather see us taking a risk at 24 than throwing away #9. Besides, I think there will be more value at 24 in terms of LB’s or OL than will be available to us at 9. McNabb certainly still has a quality skill set and can lead. Would be a fine tutor for a guy like Brohm.
It rubs the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again
I am not discrediting your idea, but I don’t get why Philly would want to get rid of him. Statistically, he had his 2nd best season of his career. Is it just his age??
buy low sell high
how many more years are they going to get out of McNabb? He just had a good season but it really seems like he’s reached his peak. They have Kolb, and maybe Vick to go with him. They can’t keep Kolb on the bench forever before it starts messing with his head. I just think they can get a lot more for McNabb this year than they could next year.
Westbrook is considering retiring, and with his injury history and workload even if he does come back he can’t do it by himself. Marshawn would be a good fit there. One thing I’m wondering though – if anything were to come of this, wouldn’t it be the third offseason in a row that we were involved in deal with Philly…and they, maybe not got screwed but, didn’t quite get a great bang for the buck? Wasn’t there some trade for some lineman that neither of us ended up with two years back that we messed up for them? Makes me wonder if they’d be a little leery of dealing with Bills for a bit.
I dont think Philly would do that unless we threw in a 2nd round with that. I dont see the need to Lynch from Phillys point of view. They have Westbrook, who on the back 9 of his career can still play and also McCoy who is going to be a pretty damn good back in this league. RB’s are a dime a dozen now, plus Phillys a pass 65% of the time team anyways. 3 “top” RB’s doesnt make sense for them. I do believe Kolbs their QB of the future, but I see the future not starting for another 2 years or so.
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Trent
Does anyone agree that we shouldn’t completely give up on him?? As Brian alluded to, Trent was put into a position to fail early in the season, what with the firing of his coordinator, the implementation of the no-huddle, and the debacle with the O-line (Peters, Walker, injuries, etc.).
And let’s not forget that he wasn’t terrible all season: looked great in the NE and TB games, was perfect in the Jets game before the injury, and played well in the Tennessee game until the final quarter, which basically put an end to his season.
I believe he has more inherent ability than Fitzy or Brohm. People will point to Brohm as having more upside, but at least Trent has shown flashes of his ability (though admittedly erratic overall), while Brohm has not. We can all agree that Trent’s problems are mental….with the demise of the Jauron era, maybe a fresh start with new coaches and personnel (not to mention a healthy O-line) is what he needs.
I’m not claiming we shouldn’t look at other options, but at $500,000, he’s cheap enough to keep around for the year and at least be given one more chance to start in training camp.
by McGee24 on Jan 21, 2010 2:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Im not adverse to giving Trent a chance to show his confidence isn't completely shot
However I personally feel like he’s been David Carr’d to death.
I really feel the O-line will be much drastically improved by even as early as game 1 next year. Butler, Bell, and (hopefully) Wood will all be back, and the younger guys will have a full pre-season to gel. Plus, we’ll no doubt get a free agent lineman and will certainly beef up the line through the draft.
A full pre-season with a (capable) line that isn’t constantly shuffled and hopefully is coached to be disciplined enough not to commit 9 false starts a game might be the confidence booster he needs.
I just feel like it's to late for Trent Edwards to salvage hs career in buffalo.
I’m not adverse to giving him 1 more shot,I just think he’s ruined. I feel like his fear of being hit outweighs his desire to make a play. And once a QB get’s there( Or any football player at any position) stick a fork in him he’s done.
Do you think it’s too late for Trent to revive his career, in general? If not, then why not in Buffalo? It’s going to essentially be a new team. Is it because you think the fanbase won’t give him any wiggle room?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
If by career you mean solid backup than yea I think his career could be saved
somewhere outside of Buffalo. And I do believe that Buffalo fanbase is unwilling to put up with him at QB anymore. However IMO Trent Edwards will never be a productive starting QB in this league.
Edwards being Carr'd to death.
Perfect explanation of Edwards Buffalo career.
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I wouldn't give up on him
and it’s sort of like all the Bills HC press. According to Nix, the neagtive press was bunk. Well, I think much of the knock on Edwards is bunk, too. He deserves a chance behind a decent line with a decent OC (or HC in this case) to show what talent he has.
In fact, I would put this out there. With Gailey calling plays but stating he may have an OC, I think we should go after Frank Reich as OC and have him work with QBs also.
There is potential there. But, he needs some support.
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im not sure
if he should stay around but I do know I wouldn’t be upset if he stayed around so long as he was not the favorite in a QB competition. We need someone that Trent will have to really impress to pass on the depth chart. I can’t trust him right now until he proves to me hes not shell shocked.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
of the qbs on the list, i think i would go with vick, that way we can take a tackle or lb, mcclain, at 9. and if we could somehow get tebow in the 2nd, then that would be beautiful. he could probably teach vick a thing or two and vice versa. but if i were told i could only have one, i’d take tebow—but i am biased since i am a gators fan and watched tebow play there his entire tenure. i haven’t really watched clausen. as for bradford, only a few games.
Kiper Interview
Interesting quote from this Kiper interview when talking about Jimmy Clausen.
[Former Notre Dame defensive coordinator] Jon Tenuta raves about this kid. Defensive players rave about him. I think he’s gong to be a guy moving up.
Jon Tenuta was Chan Gailey’s DC at Georgia Tech for a number of years.
You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on.
HAHAHA
I just burst out laughing when I read the title of this…..Says a lot huh?
New York City Buffalo Bills Backers
www.nycbbb.com
You know who I really really want to be the Bill's QB next season?
Brodie Croyle. Admit it you’ve all totally forgot about him.
I did forget
and I didn’t like him coming out of college and barely like his noodle arm now. Is he even on a team?
Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!
thats like saying graham harrell deserves a shot
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
You do know Croyle has 8 touchdown's and 8 interceptions
As well as over 1500 yards passing and a 71.6 QB ranking. And he can probably be had on the cheap.
And Croyle has a way better arm than Harrell FYI.
Just had to put that out there.
So...
you want another sub-par, weak armed QB with average to bad stats, with little upside on our team? We have Fitzpatrick already, Edwards is better than Croyle IMO and Brohm has more upside (which isn’t saying much)
Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!
this was my point
harrell is another croyle. weak armed average qb with no upside.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Gailey benched him for Thigpen. Why would Gailey want him, let alone you?
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
He wasn't benched
He was injured…….little bit of a difference there.
That’s true. My bad.
So then Croyle got hurt and was kept out of the lineup by a guy who completed 41.8% of his passes at 4 yards per attempt with 2 TD and 4 INT until Croyle’s next appearance, when he got injured again.
Yeah, still not buying what you’re selling. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
This is a quote from a chiefs fan on another site
With no dedicated QB coach installed over the last season Croyle “coached” Cassel from the sideline on gamedays and recommended plays to Haley …
Gailey was pretty high on that guy in 2008 before Croyle went down with a bum knee – but it looks like Brodie has fully recovered from that.
And just so everyone knows Im not advocating a first round pick for the guy………but really guy’s at this point Anyone with a KC or San Diego tie has to be considered to at the very least have a legit shot at ending up in Buffalo when we start into FA and trade season. And yes this is all speculation. But at least Croyle would be cheaper than Thigpen,or Vick, or Kolb.
Forgotten for a reason...
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Ummmm
No Edwards isnt better than Croyle. He’s a guy who Gaileys already comfortable with. And where are you getting this noodle armed crap? And how exactly does Brohm have more upside?
And when did Croyle play in spread
Outside of the pro’s lol
Would you rather have McClain/Tebow or Clausen/Spikes?
It’s possible, IMO that we could up with either combination by the end of round 2. Which would you guys prefer? I think I’m on the Clausen/Spikes side, but only by a centimeter.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Nope
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Good job, throw out the best player available with the most overrated player available and say it’s a good pairing.
Clausen/Spikes because of Tebust.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
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by UZ on Jan 21, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
...what?
Good job, throw out the best player available with the most overrated player available and say it’s a good pairing.
i said it’s conceivable that those would be our picks…I never said anything about them being a good pairing…Do you think it’s more likely that we get both McClain and Clausen? or Tebow and Spikes?
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
i choose john mcclain
hes a beast. no id take mclain/tebow but either is good in my mind.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hans underrated him too and he ended up falling off a skyscrape.
John McClain is never past his prime!
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
so did his brother simon
and see what happened to him? never underestimate john mcclain
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
No, I think it's safe to say John McCain is past his prime
I mean, picking Palin as his VP…….. : )
by StroudFanClub on Jan 22, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody else notice that Fitz's eyes are closed throwing the ball in the pic?
Maybe our QBs would be better if they kept their eyes open when throwing?
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Drafting a QB
Since the Topic has swayed to QB’s…I posted most of this previously but added the % from the 4th round on. This is for those who say just draft a QB from round 2 and on. The chances of success drop immensely
The best bet is to take a QB in the first round (which guarantee’s nothing) but the percentage of a QB taken in round 1 of becoming a star is significantly higher. From 1992 thru 2007 (It’s too early to tell from 08 &09) there were 36 QB’ s drafted in round 1. Out of those numbers 9 can be considered stars—Bledsoe (93), McNair(95), Manning (98), McNabb (99), Palmer(03), Manning-Rivers-Roethlisberger (04) and Rodgers(05). That’s a hit of 25% in the first round, it would be higher if I included Vick, Culpepper, Kerry Collins and Cutler but I don’t believe they apply.
During the same time period QB’s taken in rounds 2 & 3 totaled 36 of which only 3 became stars. Leading the way was Brees drafted at the top of round 2 (01), Plummer rd 2 (97) and a rising star in Schaub rd 3 (04). That’s a minuscule rate of success of only 8.3%.
A new addition in that same time period from the 4th round on there were 126 QB’s taken: Here’s the most successful in that period Brad Johnson 9th rd (92), Brunnell 5th rd (93), Matt Hasselback 6th rd (98), Brady & Bulger 6th rd (00), Garrard 4th rd (02) and Orton 4th rd (05). That’s only 6 successful starters out of 126 or a 4.76%.
The longer a team waits to draft a QB the higher the chance of failure. I know you can say that about every position but the QB position is the cornerstone of an NFL team.
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by Goose22 on Jan 21, 2010 4:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Good analysis, but
What may be easier is putting a definition around “succesful”, such as longevity, TD passes, or something that’s less subjective. Just the statistician in me, I guess.
Also, is it really much of a difference, the 9 that did well in the first round versus 6 in the latter rounds? what about undrafted FAs? Is that a significant difference?
To me, comparing the 9 versus 6 (or more if undrafted FAs are not included) that isn’t much of a difference or only slightly better, not dramatically better.
i remember when you posted this earlier Goose
and the stats didnt lie then and they dont lie now. This stat should end the discussion unless someone wants to argue a free agent QB is a better idea. If Bradford or Clausen are there and the Bills pass I will be furious.
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The only problem with stats like that is...
They don’t account for the surrounding cast and most importantly the OLine that they had. There are so many factors that go into success. And there isn’t any QB in this draft class that has the potential of a Peyton.
I think everyone agrees that OT and QB are our 2 biggest needs for the offense in the draft. Any FA QB or draft pick that we put under center is gonna need some help, which is why I think OT is our best bet. We can take our chances with a Colt McCoy falling to us in the 2nd round.
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by Run Thurmal Run! on Jan 21, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone care to run the numbers on
The success rate of OT that are drafted in the first round and compare them to the first round QBs?
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by Run Thurmal Run! on Jan 21, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
To tired to do the eval of each player, but here are the OTs drafted in the 1st round over the same time (since 1992). Judge for yourself.
2007 – Levi Brown – Arizona
1993 – Ernest Dye – Arizona
2007 – Sam Baker – Atlanta
1992 – Bob Whitfield -Atlanta
2009 – Michael Oher – Baltimore
2002 – Mike Williams – Buffalo
1992 – John Fina – Buffalo
2008 – Jeff Otah – Carolina
2003 – Jordan Gross – Carolina
1995 – Blake Brockermeyer – Carolina
2008 – Chris Williams – Chicago
2002 – Marc Columbo – Chicago
2009 – Andre Smith – Cincinnati
2002 – Levi Jones – Cincinnati
2007 – Joe Thomas – Cleveland
2008 – Ryan Clady – Denver
2003 – George Foster – Denver
2008 – Gosder Cherilus – Detroit
2001 – Jeff Backus – Detroit
2000 – Stockar McDougle – Detroit
1999 – Aaron Gibson – Detroit
1997 – Ross Verba – Green Bay
1996 – John Michels – Green Bay
2008 – Duane Brown – Houston
Indy – never drafted an OT in the first round during this time
2009 – Eugene Monroe – Jacksonville
1995 – Tony Boselli – Jacksonville
2007 – Branden Albert – Kansas City
1999 – John Tait – Kansas City
1998 – Victor Riley – Kansas City
1995 – Trezelle Jenkins – Kansas City
2008 – Jake Long – Miami
2004 – Vernon Carey – Miami
1995 – Billy Millner – Miami
2002 – Bryant McKinnie – Minnesota
1995 – Korey Stringer – Minnesota
1994 – Todd Steussie – Minnesota
1992 – Eugene Chung – New England
2005 – Jammal Brown – New Orleans
1993 – Willie Roaf – New Orleans
New York Giants did not draft a tackle during this time period
2006 – D’Brickashaw Ferguson – New York Jets
2004 – Robert Gallery – Oakland Raiders
1999 – Matt Stinchcomb – Oakland Raiders
1998 – Mo Collins – Oakland Raiders
2004 – Shawn Andrews – Philadelphia
1998 – William ‘Tre’ Thomas – Philadelphia
1994 – Bernard Williams – Philadelphia
1996 – Jamain Stephens – Pittsburgh
1992 – Leon Searcy – Pittsburgh
San Diego did not draft a tackle during this time period
2007 – Joe Staley – San Francisco
2003 – Kwame Harris – San Francisco
2000 – Chris McIntosh – Seattle
1997 – Walter Jones – Seattle
1992 – Ray Roberts – Seattle
2009 – Jason Smith -St. Louis
2005 – Alex Barron – St. Louis
1997 – Orlando Pace – St. Louis
1994 – Wayne Gandy – St. Louis
2002 – Kenyatta Walker – Tampa Bay
1993 – Brad Hopkins – Tennessee / Houston
2000 – Chris Samuels – Washington
1996 – Andre Johnson – Washington
Looks like 61 OTs drafted total.
John Fina was a first round pick? Never knew that.
Interesting Indy, NYG and SD never took an OT in the first round in 18 years. Thats pretty crazy.
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That was when we were picking like 27th in the first round though. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 23, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Nice job!
With 61 names on that list, I can pick out over 30 names that were either prolific or above average with a decent amount of longevity.
Guys like Orlando Pace and Walter Jones have fallen off recently. But both are former Pro Bowlers. Michael Oher, Jeff Otah and Ryan Clady are all very young and promising and have played an important role in the success of their teams. Guys like Mike Williams… not so much. But there are a lot of recognizable names on the list, and that in itself confirms for me that drafting an OT is what we should be hoping for this year. We can get a QB in round 2 and go heavy on LBs and DLinemen later… especially if a switch to a 3-4 comes to fruition.
The one thing that will never change in football is this: Games are won and lost in the trenches. It’s a QB driven league, now more than ever… but all QBs need a strong supporting cast. Especially from the big men up front. ;)
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by Run Thurmal Run! on Jan 23, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
I have no qualms re: Clausen. Bradford’s injury history and the fact he played in an spread type offense worries me a bit.
If Clausen was gone, I’d rather see us draft McClain or a bit OT.
That being said, you can’t draw a conclusion from his post. Mabye it’s my statistics background driving me nuts on this, but it’s way too subjective of an assessment to be clear (to me) but perhaps I’m looking at it the wrong way. Clausen and Bradford aren’t viewed the same way Eli, Peyton, etc. have been. They are considered top flight QBs, but perhaps not the slam dunk everyone pegged on guys like Rothlisberger, etc.
And for every QB mentioned above, there’s a Ryan Leaf, JP Losman, Brady Quinn, Cade McNown, Akili Smith, Rex Grossman, Jim Druckenmiller, David Klingler, Heath Schuler, Rick Mirer, Brady Quinn, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, and probably many others … *
That’s nearly as many mentioned as Goose22 did in his list of great 1st round QBs. That list worries me more than the other one convinces me it’s the way to go.
Also forgot Tim Couch … and possibly JaMarcus Russell could be added to my list. Tommy Maddox could be a pseudo-bust, though he saved his career after taking a major detour. Dave Brown (dookie) was taken in the supplemental draft as a 1st round equivalent. What about Kyle Boller? David Carr?
That’s up to 19 abject busts all drafted in the first round over the same time period.
I think Fitz and Brohm are here next year as well..
Love to see Pennington here just for the way He can help bring along a new guy..He’s the type of guy I’d want to stay with the team as a possible QB coach if his arm isn’t quite up to snuff,or he gets hurt again..I really believe that influence between Gailey and Pennington could make a guy like Brohm a starter at some point..Also draft LeFevour just in case Brohm flops..Not sure if it was Nix or Gailey,but one of them said that after 8 games You’re not a rookie anymore..I’d give Brohm a really good look and make a decision on Him..
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We have proven losers
in Edwards and Fitzpatrick – we’ve all seen that. One (TE) is a head case who has lost his confidence and – worse – that of teammates and the other simply (Fitz) is simply too inaccurate a passer for NFL purposes.
We’ve had too many years of crappy QB play and we’lll never go back to the Super Bowl without a great one, and the only way we’re going to get a championship QB is through the draft. If you think a second or third-string FA is going to be the savior, keep dreaming.
QB should be the #1 priority of this team right now.
so i've been thinking
a lot of major media outlets say the Jaguars and the Bills will be the first two targets of the investor’s group trying to bring a team to LA. Now, the Jaguars are more likely to go than us because they can’t sell tickets period. Because of this, the Jaguars are going to draft Tim Tebow to flood their seats full of Florida Tebow junkies. This will work! It might be in the Bills overall best interest to snag Tim Tebow before the Jaguars pick at ten (why do you all keep saying 11, the Jags pick 10th), thereby robbing them of their only hope to save their franchise and sending them packing to LA instead of our beloved Bills.
With Gailey potential wanting to utilize a crazy offense and Ralph wanting to secure the future of the Bills, Vick to Buffalo to prepare and offense tailor made for Tebow with the 9th pick isn’t that insane now is it?
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what do you know
you’ve all been saying 11th because they are picking 11th. Forgot about the Broncos.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
The Bills fill seats regardless,and make money hand over first, and that is without a good team.
The Jags don’t do either, and you are assuming that Tebow can even hack it as a QB in the NFL! The Jags aren’t gonna gain 20k fans a week watching Tebow play TE, LB, or run some sort of wildcat 10 plays a game if the critics are right, and his goofy throwing motion and wildly inaccurate deep throws prevent him from being a legit NFL QB.
His leadership and intangables are unquestioned, but that won’t equate to wins unless the essential QB skills are there to play at the NFL level. It remains to be seen, but the Bills have WAY too much to lose to draft another question mark.
So, to answer your question: YES. Tebow to the Bills at 9 is still about as insane as insanity gets.
The Bills fill seats regardless,and make money hand over first, and that is without a good team.
But not as much as other teams.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 23, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Of course it’s crazy, but when you consider the Ralph/Russ ticket selling priority along with Gailey’s run first scramble second mentality and toss in the jab in the eye for the Jags, it all makes perfect sense. Vick and Tebow wouldn’t be my personal choice, but I believe it’s the most likely to happen. Fitz would be the obvious 2 or 3 and possibly Brohm on the practice squad.
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bills qb
two words: Tim tebow, we need a leader, more than a stats guy or a perfect 6´4 in size guy or a pocket passer.
Tebow’s confidence comes from his success. Who was he “leading” on the sidelines when Alabama was kicking his ass all over the field and he was crying like a baby as his title hopes went bye bye? Bama’ figured him out (when you MAKE him throw, you and you have the Hoss’s on defense to match Florida’s speed, Tebow is stopped), and they are as close to an NFL defense as there is in college football.
Tebow would get eaten alive, and I’m thankful that our new GM has surely been around football long enough to know better than to draft this guy. I have nothing against Tebow personally, but I think ALOT of people are too wrapped up in what a good guy he is, and how he can “rally the troops”. In 4 years at Florida, he really didnt have to face all that much adversity, and the 2 memorable times both resulted in tears (the Ole Miss press conf and the Bama’ loss in the SEC title game). How far do you think crying will go in an NFL locker room full of veterans?! Getting an NFL FRANCHISE quarterback is the most important thing. Let Jacksonville get him and seal their fate.
yea cincy made him throw too
that worked out. alabama didnt make him throw, stupid scuba steve addazio was too damn dumb to run the ball. any florida fan will tell you that the gameplan for that SEC champ game was horrible. not to take away from alabama, but the play calling was the worst it had been all season. i bet any qb will struggle when your offensive game plan is to abandon the run. you have alot of anger for tebow and uf, and im not sure why.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
surely you are not comparing the UNIVERSITY OF CINNCINATTI defense w/ BAMA’S, are you???!!! Thought my “Alabama is as close to an NFL defense as their is” comment was sufficient, but clearly not. Once the Tebow apologists in their Tebow colored glasses, show up, i guess its time to look the out, because noone cares that he cant throw a deep ball accuraterly, didnt take snap under center till this year, and throws the ball worse than Vince Young….. I have yet to hear ONE person say anything to indicate Tebow can be a successful pro other than “leadership”. PLEASE! ONE THING!
how about he has a good arm, he's incredibly athletic, he's huge and he's been playing the best players in college football every week since he was 18 years old?
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
so your saying a good arm
being accurate, great size, and experience mean nothing to you? youve already indicated stats dont help, so what is it you look for exactly? AND STOP TEXTYELLING. we can read in lower case just fine.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
and also
im not a tebow apologist, i dont see him through rose colored glasses. i simply think a second round pick is worth it on a guy that has proved in college he can play QB. im saying he has the skill set and talent to be an nfl qb. many college qbs do that dont work out. i will never say he 100% will make it to 2011 pro bowl, but i think its equally as stupid to discount him all together.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Thigpin?
Thigpin?? ….. Tyler thigpin? …. R u serious thigpin?!!!….. Whoever thinks the bills should get thigpin must be out of their minds!!!…. He was a decent player years and years ago….. He is OLD news…. We want a franchise quarterback NOT another journeyman !!!!! Ridiculous people…
he's 25 years old.
he was ok last year.
no one is calling him the future, just a stopgap.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Tebow?
Tebow is not a first round draft pick…..maybe we can take him in the second round…. He is a leader but all he does is run and when he does throw he is not accurate ….especially in the NFL tebow will get many concussions trying to run most of the time……..
Jimmy clauson however has proven to be clutch during close games… Only his team defense let him down on close games…. He never gets nervous during cruchtime and shows leadership and emotion towards his teamates …. He throws very accurate passes and guns the ball with bullets… His timing on his throws are perfect never late… I would pick clauson over tebow any minute any day… Tebow can be a threat as place kicker holding the snaps and sneaking in the endzone though…. Haha
since when is 65%+ completion rate not accurate?
and he has almost 9000 yards passing in three years, how does that translate to only running? look i get the criticism, but please pick good ones, not random ones.
and many would argue clausen got his numbers against inferior teams, and struggled against tough teams……so i mean there no slam dunk when you look at qbs
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Jamarcus Russel
Jamarcus Russel is also a big player at 6’7" with an incredible arm….. And look wat happened to him?? What a joke and his college was a big name school that played against many big time Players as well….he did real well in LSU …. Same situation with Tim tebow… He is in a good program that makes him look good… Guess how well he is gonna do in the NFL level??…. How did Jamarcus Russel do? Enough said…
You know who else was a big player with an incredible arm at a big school?
Peyton Manning. he’s been ok.
For the zillionth time, every player is different. Actually Russell is way closer to a Peyton type than Tebow type (little mobility, bigger arm, pocket passer)
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Exactly, you can always find a decent comparison for every prospect who either completely flopped in the NFL or had a great career. Every guy is different.
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plus russells stats are not as good as tebow
tebow beats him in TD’s, yards, completion %, fewer ints, pretty much every statistical category. jamarcus had one good year, and a great bowl game and somehow got drafted #1 overall.
tebow has 3 years of success and numbers. hes not a one year wonder and still out does russell in almost every statistical category.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Caleb R
Have you been watching college football for the last 4 years?? If the press calls a QB “the greatest college player ever” Why do you think that is?? Tebow is a as good as it gets, and in a couple of years he will be a great QB in the NFL because of his leadership, discipline. etc… 3 bad games in 4 years playing in the toughest conference in college football, winning the heisman, N.CH, and you¨re not buying this guy for real??
Dude you gotta stop watching hockey¨
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the single most ridiculous thing I have ever seen on this post. So is that it? The PRESS calls him the best, so you want him to come to Buffalo? ok
Actually, Tebow had a $HITLOAD of bad games. Heisman: Eric Crouch, Gino Toretta, Troy Smith won the Heisman too….whats your point? How is that in ANY way relevant to playing in the NFL? National Championships have no bearing on this either.
I’ve asked the same question all day and yet to have ONE person answer it: Aside from leadership and heart, what does Tebow posses that will make him a succesful; NFL qb? He does not throw the deep ball accuracy and has a medicore arm, and.he ran 95% of his entire career out of the shotgun formation.
Seriously. You think leadership and heart are exclusive to Tebow because he is not afriad to cry on TV? He is a winner, but can’t control emotions wen he loses, and Buffalo does ALOT of losing!
So PLEASE tell me: aside from leadership (which cant be measured against a Demarcus Ware pass rush) and heart (which can’t be measured against Dorelle Revis covering your best WR), WHY are you people so convnced Tebow will be a successful NFL QB?
I'll put the same reply that you ignored above, the last time you asked this question.
how about he has a good arm, he’s incredibly athletic, he’s huge and he’s been playing the best players in college football every week since he was 18 years old?
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
WOW! IM BLOWN AWAY! I WAS ALL WRONG! CHAN!!!! BUDDDY!!!! JPH IS ON TO SOMETHING HERE! He’s big, athletic, and plays in the SEC! TRADE UP TO #1 TO GET HIM!
dude, youre not telling us what we dont already know: he is a great COLLEGE Football player!
Enough already. We’ve all read you post the same thing for umpteen times now. Not to mention you insist on doing it in the most condescending and abrasive manner possible. Nobody on this forum will be deciding who the Bills draft picks are, so how about just letting people share their opinions without being constantly attacked.
most of my posts get deleted :(
ive simply replied to the numerous non-sensical responses ive gotten. ive stated proven facts on multiple occasions, which were just met w/ “nuh uh’s” (paraphrased). Forgive me if i find it frustrating that people want to debate facts with opinions
no you havent
many people have answered your questions with their own opinions and insight on the matter. you choose to not listen or ignore it and repeat you questions ad naseum. theres a difference in debating/discussing and berating/yelling.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 21, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
LOL. your opinions are facts, but anyone who doesn’t agree just has an opinion. Your “facts” about Tebow’s inability to transition into an effective NFL QB need to actually happen before you can refer to them as facts. Examples of prior QB’s experiences don’t count as facts when used to predict the possible future of someone else. May be a good theory, but it’s still nothing more than opinion.
most of my posts get deleted :(
Well, one thing is certain: this is not a debate that will resolved for some time lol
my final thoughts on the matter: There’s a place for Tebow in the NFL….I do not think it is as a QB……he is DEFINITELY not a FRANCHISE QB to build around……I have no problem with the Bills taking him later, ASSUMING we have already secured Bradford or Claussen. If they sign a veteran FA and draft Tebow with the intention of making him the future, I will just go ahead and pull the plug now. EVEN IF IM WRONG, and Tebow becomes the next Peyton Manning (laughable), the Bills are not in any position for another question mark, or project player.
Good work Caleb. I don’t watch much college ball and have no handle on Tebow—you’ve single handedly taken on the pro Tebow @ #9 crowd very effectively in my opinion. I’ve been hearing a lot of support for him and needed a more balancing perspective.
by radan on Jan 21, 2010 8:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks Radan! I dont HATE Tim Tebow. I have the utmost respect for what he has done at Florida, and the kind of example and person he has been off the field. I have simply tried to focus this on "will Tim Tebow be a “franchise” quarterback in the NFL"….nothing more. I respect his leadership, character, and heart, but the Buffalo Bills are a team in shambles and can’t afford to chose a quarterback based on intangables. Intangables are awesome, once all of the “on the field” skills are accounted for, and in my opinion, there are just too many things that are a part of Tebow’s game that do not translate well to the NFL at all. (Inaccuracy, playing his entire career in the shotgun, etc) He’s definitely worth a shot somewhere, but not with the Buffalo Bills at pick 9 of round 1. I’d definitely love to have this guy on the Bills, but not with the intention of making him the “franchise” quarterback
Your comments didn’t come across as hateful—strictly logical and factual IMO.
by radan on Jan 21, 2010 8:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Peyton manning?
Peyton manning? Don’t include him because of his success… Manning did not have a great arm coming out of college….. He has worked on his throwing technique for years n has improve dramaticly….Peyton is really a coach and a qb … His arm strength is no where near Jamarcus Russel…. Russel can throw the ball half a football field SITTInG down but no accuracy…
Fitz
Why is everyone so high on Fitzpatrick??? He’s horrible! He has a strong arm and he can run but so could Losman. If Trent didn’t have the worst offensive line and coach in football, he would still be our QB. But a terrible offensive line and bad coaching destroyed the possibility of Trent being our QB, and that sux, because I thought he would have been decent here in Buffalo
Who's high on Fitzpatrick?
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Non-partisan opinion about Tebow
Does anyone have a link, to a thoughtful, true evaluation, of Tim Tebow that is not slanted? I don’t want a link from BSPN or PFT.
Has anyone with real football knowledge (ex-coach) analyzed film and made an intelligent breakdown of the boy, pluses and minuses, that is not swayed by the network they work for?
I will accept a good take from “Joefootballfaninhisgarage.com” at this point, just to get a true, non-biased opinion.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 21, 2010 9:48 PM EST reply actions
did you read der jaegers?
i would say it’s objective: in summary: he has flaws in his throwing motion that can be corrected…
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
That, my friend, would be a recipe for disaster.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 22, 2010 6:00 AM EST up reply actions
agreed....I am hoping the Bills try a different recipe next season.
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
call me crazy
but I don’t really like ANY of the quarterbacks “available” this year enough to mortgage our future on. I know its not sexy at all, or fun to talk about, but I would be happy if we just roll with our current QB’s or add a non-flashy free agent. Draft McClain, an OT, and a DT/DE, get ourselves solid and on our way to a middling but promising record next year (as opposed to a middling but depressing record) and put all of our chips in on Jake Locker or Ryan Mallet with our first pick. Even if we have to move up or something. I hate to say it, but that’s how the Jet’s did it this year and its obviously worked so far.
Draft talk is always polarizing, but it just seems extra polarizing with the QB’s this year. I just don’t see a clear winner, and I want the Bill Cowher of the QB choices instead of having to talk myself into the Fraziers or Schotts or Gaileys that are out there.
i think that, in the end, this is probably the way to go.
and it wouldn’t shock me if this is what they do.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
T--Bow
Celeb, I don’t know what you were watching when you comment he doesn’t have the arm. I’ve seen him slinging the deep ball for 4 years with velocity and accuracy This year there were at least 10 dropped deep balls that were right on the money including about 6 from his roommate Cooper. You have about a 75% chance to be correct on that he won’t make it. As far as the SEC Championship the Gators got beat by a better TEAM the Bama O-line and D-line completely controlled the game.
T-Bow definitely needs help in his mechanics especially holding the ball to low
while in the pocket but he has the intangibles that can’t be taught——try to envision him as a Billy Kilmer, Bernie Kosar or farther back Joe Kapp…
As Wyatt Earp once said "You tell 'em I'm coming! And Hell's coming with me you hear! Hell's coming with me! ~
Wow… that escalated quickly. Can’t say that I got bogged down in draft talk. Not really there yet. I like Clausen and Bradford. I agree that Trent won’t be on the team next year. I’m intrigued by Brohm but not to the point where he can start in ‘10. Of course we said that about Demetrius Bell…. Fitzpatrick is a decent backup but if he is our starter going into 2010 I’m gonna lose it unless one of those rookies is behind him ready to take over at some point ala Kitna and Palmer. Not really much to add over what Brian said. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 23, 2010 10:15 AM EST reply actions
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