State of the Bills Roster: Running Back
Yesterday, we started taking an in-depth look at the Buffalo Bills' roster on a position-by-position basis. That series, entitled "State of the Bills Roster," continues today, as we continue to truck through the offensive side of the ball.
Buddy Nix likes running backs. Or, at least, the team he last worked for before he came to Buffalo (San Diego) really likes running backs. During Nix's tenure out west, the Chargers drafted running backs particularly well. That's not to say that they drafted a lot of running backs; they nabbed just three in the eight years that Nix spent there. You might recognize those three names, however: LaDainian Tomlinson, Michael Turner and Darren Sproles were all scouted by Nix.
Chan Gailey likes running backs, too. He's worked with some of the greatest in league history, including Emmitt Smith and Jerome Bettis. Most recently, Gailey was part of a Kansas City organization that spent a third-round pick on Jamaal Charles, who exploded onto the scene with a 1,417-yard, 8-TD season in 2009 (albeit in Todd Haley's offense, and not Gailey's).
Buffalo has a rich history at running back as well, and they've got some good players on the roster at that position already. Don't be surprised, however, if Nix and Gailey try to diversify the Bills' talent at the position.
What the new regime might be looking for
This is really difficult to take a stab at, because let's face it: the glaring holes at other key positions and the presence of two quality backs really doesn't make this position much of a priority. Gailey will work with what he has, and right now, he has a lot more at running back than he does at other positions.
One thing this personnel group lacks, however, is a true home run threat. There's not a guy with the break-away speed to turn any touch into a touchdown of any length, and if you look around the league right now, those quick home-run-threat backs are all the rage (think Chris Johnson, Felix Jones and Charles, among others). Buffalo has talent here, but Nix and Gailey may look to expand the team's talent resume at this position - particularly if a speedy, talented back falls into their laps on draft day. Just a hunch.
Current personnel
The Bills currently employ four running backs, and a fullback who likes to carry the ball and run into players on special teams.
Fred Jackson. If you're looking for the poster child of Buffalo Bills optimism right now, Jackson's your go-to guy. We know the story, and we know the type of production he's enjoyed over the last two seasons. He's a heck of a player. He'll remain a centerpiece of Buffalo's offense next season for three reasons: reliability, consistency, and an ability to make plays despite not-so-great blocking in front of him. If Gailey can find ways to get Jackson into the end zone, Fred could emerge as one of the more statistically dominant backs in the game.
Contract status: 3 years remaining. Owed $4.65M in base salaries and $250K in non-prorated bonuses.
Marshawn Lynch. Right now, Lynch is the polar opposite of Jackson - he's this fan base's favorite whipping boy after an incredibly disappointing 2009 season. For fan trade theorists, Lynch's name is most frequently brought up in conversations. His off-field troubles are disconcerting, obviously, and his enigmatic personality, while not destructive to the team, does throw into question how well he'll be received by Gailey, a guy that values high character. I, personally, don't think Lynch is going anywhere - honestly, what of quality could the team fetch via trade at this point? - but it wouldn't shock me, either. There's no question Lynch still has untapped potential.
Contract status: 2 years remaining. Owed $2.025M in base salaries. 2012 is a voidable year ($1.14M).
Corey McIntyre. McIntyre is a guy that will bounce around the league for a while simply because he's a very good special teams player. He's very average as a lead blocker, but he's a high-character guy that could literally be a role player on any team in the league. Nowhere near a lock to be here next year, but don't count him out, either.
Contract status: 1 year remaining. Salary undisclosed.
Bruce Hall. Spent most of the past two seasons on the practice squad. Very much in "also-ran" territory.
Contract status: Unknown. Not listed as a free agent by BuffaloBills.com.
Justise Hairston. Spent 2009 on Injured Reserve. See: Hall, Bruce.
Contract status: Exclusive Rights Free Agent
Who stays? Who goes?
I sincerely doubt Hall and Hairston will be on the field for training camp this summer. Obviously, Jackson will be there, and McIntyre very likely will be as well. That leaves Lynch, and I'll re-iterate: I don't think he's going anywhere. It's very difficult to trade running backs in this league barring injury issues elsewhere, and with the amount of talent at that position league-wide, it complicates the idea. Lynch will be on a short leash under the new regime of Nix and Gailey, but I anticipate that he'll be battling with Jackson for the starter's job next July.
If I were a betting man (and no, I'm not)...
... Jackson is penciled in as the starter for now, and at the absolute minimum, he'll be in line for 15-20 touches in conjunction with either Lynch or a speed back import.
I've been on the "get a speed back" bandwagon for a few years now. As much as I like the idea that Lynch and Jackson have similar skill sets which makes transitioning them in and out of the huddle easy, it limits what the team can do from the position. I'm fully aware that finding a speed back should not be a top priority, but I'm also a proponent of drafting best player available on draft day. If that player just happens to be a home run threat at running back, so be it - that would do tremendous things for this offense, which hasn't had many home run threats lately. If that speed back can return kicks and/or punts? Even better.
Names to keep an eye on
The Bills have bigger fish to fry in free agency than running back, so I anticipate zero heat there during the month of March. I also believe that the Bills will try to steer clear of RB in the early rounds of the draft to try to address bigger needs (though if the value difference is too big, I wouldn't be surprised to see <i>any</i> non-need position addressed). There are plenty of small scat-back types with big-play potential available this year, but I've put my favorite mid-round prospect that fits that mold below.
Michael Smith.
Previous installments of the State of the Bills Roster series: QB.
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As much as it is not a “need” position… I would love to see CJ Spiller in a Bills uniform if no viable QB option is available. Trade Lynch for whatever you can get and add the 4.2 speed that is so explosive to a team. The Bills have no RB’s that flat outrun people. They hit the whole and can get you a 20 yard run, however, they are caught from behind. Other teams have these homerun threats. They hit the hole and BOOM through the next level and 70 yards later, TD. This also pushes the safeties back a bit so they can get a better angle, which is good for whomever is QB.
Don’t get me wrong, I still say QB in round 1, but no Clausen or Bradford, then take a look at this guy… RB wasn’t a need for Tennessee and they took Chris Johnson… That worked out…
I would be happy with the Bills bring in a legit blocking FB then holding pat with the same players on the roster at RB
Rrrawrrrr, rrrawrrr like a dungeon dragon-Busta Ryhmes
Heck I’d be happy to bring a lagit blocking fullback and still keep McIntyr for ST’s.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
You want to know how to improve are running back and run game.....
bring in Mike Vick at QB and run an offense like the one Tennessee runs it would immediately take our offense to a Top 5 rushing team
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i don't think it would.
Michael Vick is all well and good, but don’t you need more than two good linemen? Don’t you need some version of a passing threat?
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Before week 7 of this season, when was Vince Young considered a passing threat? What i’m implying is you don’t know what Vick gives a team as a passer until a team commits to him as their QB1.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 22, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Gives you an idea of how long ago I wrote this, eh? :)
Thanks for the catch.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 22, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Man, he would have been a good pickup later in the draft
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
This is who i was going to mention after reading the post
Fan of WVU and a big fan of Devine! this kid is tough as nails and so hard to get your mitts on. As much as i would like to have him i want us to go after the priority’s first, maybe in the 4th?
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Oh you know who we need to bring in.................
TOBY TOBY TOBY
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions
As much as I like Gerhart, he’s the exact opposite of the type of back I think we need.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 22, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
He should be the type of back the Bills need.......
especially come December……..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
did you not read the article?
also, fred proved that he’s a running back that can bang around in the snow. we have that facet covered.
by quantumuprising on Jan 22, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
of course I read the article.........
and I disagree 100%……………..
Guess I am not aloud to do that.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
its not about disagreeing. Its about the fact that you want a physical back that can run in any weather. as the article stated, we already have two of those. we don’t need another. the article discussed why we obviously dont need another, and why we need just the opposite.
by quantumuprising on Jan 22, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
A fast back does nothing for this team once the weather starts getting colder......
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
traction?
i like toby too but he will go in the first two rounds in my opinion. if we trade lynch, thats how we would pick up toby. otherwise i feel lynch and toby are the exact same styles.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 22, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
no way traction – I would think that would help a scat back more when the weather is a little sloppy. tough for defenders to keep up once you’ve made a cut (trust me on that)
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by J2 on Jan 22, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
i was just really guessing as to why norcali doesnt want a fast back.
i dont really know what he meant though. i wouldnt mind a fast guy, but i wouldnt mind a bruiser like toby either.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 22, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
is marshawn not a bruiser?
i know gearhart is a great rb, but big white guys that bruise aren’t going to be quite so effective in the nfl. Breaking tackles against notre dame isn’t quite the same as breaking them in the league.
by quantumuprising on Jan 22, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
lol racist much?
Just kidding……..how about breaking tackles against NFL LB’s like Cushing, Matthews and Rey Rey?
Does that work for you?
Because he did that too.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of racist
did anyone hear about the all white basketball league starting up? but i digress.
in response to quantum, i dont see marshawn and toby on this team together, thats why i said i doubt toby comes here without marshawn being traded.
and yea toby broke tackles all year long this year and last against nfl ready lb’s and dt’s and safeties. not just against ND. and i dont get how you suggest big white guys wont be effective somehow implying that big black guys would? or am i reading into that wrong? a good brusing RB is gonna do well in the nfl no matter what color or nationality he is.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 22, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Really? to the all white bball league? ... well I'd have a shot then... lol
But seriously who would watch? That would be worse that the WNBA… If i want to see mid-range jumpers and lay-ups Ill head down to the local highschool haha. Ill take LeBron driving the lane and Kobe hitting fade away 3’s all day.
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Maybe they could play against the WNBA. That might be fun to watch?
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I think a fast guy is the way to go – he can make one play – take it to the house and change a game.
Lynch can be a big powerful guy – obviously we’ve seen him run people over but a super fast quick guy can change a game.
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by J2 on Jan 22, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
My whole thing about a "fast guy" is mostly weather related....
when its wet/slow track a fast guy isnt nearly as fast…..meanwhile a guy like Gerhart is great for those type of fields……because as the defenders are losing footing its much easier for him to bowl people over……
Meanwhile a quick shifty guy gets “stuck in the mud” so to speak…….
Look at Shonn Green…….he’s a 230 lb (almost) back…….and he can break off long runs (see the Chargers game) but he’s also great in cold weather……..
I dont see why having a guy that just runs fast is that big of a priority for Buffalo…..
If it was the Saints or Rams or a team who plays the majority of their games on a fast track then of course I would be more inclined to agree with you……
But in a place like Buffalo? It just doesnt make sense to me.
And yes I know Im a big Toby Gerhart Pac-10 homer……but it doesnt even have to be him……it could be another guy like him…even a Guy like Ryan Matthews from Fresno St…..225 lbs but can run a 4.5 or so…….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
i'm just not so sure that's true.
Freddy isn’t a power back, he’s been fine in buffalo. Ahman green wasn’t a power back, he was fine in green bay…Leon Washington has been awesome in New York, Kevin F-ing Faulk has had a great career in New England…
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Green was 220 lbs in his prime.....
he was a pretty big fella…….
Leon Washington might be one exception…..but of course he seems to have minor injury problem strarting to develop…..and Kevin Faulk has been used way more as a WR then a Running back.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
but we're not looking for another RB, really.
we’re looking for a home run threat…between Jackson and Lynch, we don’t need another prototypical RB in my opinion..we need a guy who can take a swing pass or a pitch and go 80 yards…
the more i talk about this the more i feel like this is a luxury we can’t afford at this point.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
I cant argue with the home-run threat.....
but to me its just as easy to get that home run when you have multiple backs who can pound the crap out of the rock…..and then as the other team starts packing the box you can hit Play Action over the top……….
Why not use the number 1 home run threat we’ve had on this team for 5 years…..Lee Evans?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
TD's
Yeah, 2 td’s from Freddie doesn’t quite cut it for me. He is a good and patient runner – however around the goal line patient does not get it done. A bruiser like Gerhart or similar can bang in the scores – after all thats what we need – TD’s. I’d just as happily take TD’s from a speed guy (like McCluster) Fred seems to be neither. Not speed, not bruising. Yeah he’s fantastic at moving he sticks, but not the guy to get in the end zone from what I’ve seen.
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I'm not sure that his lack of touchdowns is his fault.
I don’t remember him getting stuffed on the goal line a ton. In my mind, he didn’t score Td’s because the offense was so anemic that he was never on the goal line.
Find a passing game and his rushing TD’s will go up, or so i would imagine.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
ryan matthews has speed
and is from the city my dad lives in, so im all for him! haha, seriously though i watched him pull of long fast runs against Boise, and he does look very fast for how big he is.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 22, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
It’s true about running in the snow making it easier on the RB. Look at that Browns game when Lewis ran all over the Bills. Look at how well Fred Jackson did in the final game WHEN is was snowing. When it wasn’t, he wasn’t getting as many yards per carry.
But, think about it. The way weather patterns run during this epoch, it’s not like running in snow is a huge concern in Buffalo. They seem to get 1 game a year with snow on the ground.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 22, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
its not just about Buffalo though......
playing Pittsburgs, Cleveland….Cinci……not to mention the Bears and Pats and other COLD weather teams too……where fields sometimes get sloppy.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, Heinz Field is the worst thing i’ve ever seen.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 22, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
It fits the team and fanbase it supports well!
(I keed, I keed)
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by UZ on Jan 23, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
I would just like to point out
that all fast back’s are not Shaud Williams. ;)
LOL, well, to be fair, cali, you never actually said you disagreed, which had me confused, too. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 22, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
well I figured that would be obvious with my choice of Gerhart......
lol he’s not exactly the type of guy you mentioned in your article.
I’ll try to be more apparent next time :-)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
plus no one is gonna confuse Fred Jackson for Jerome Bettis anytime soon.........
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
Unless Lynch continues to get fatter and slower, we don’t have a true bruiser. I am not opposed to drafting a small, quick RB, but I will not worry if we don’t.
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Unless Lynch continues to get fatter and slower,
Well have I got good news for you…
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by UZ on Jan 23, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
?????? What is it?
Has he joined Weight Watchers?
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Nope, just the opposite, Lynch is gaining weight to become our next power running Fullback. ;-)
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 23, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Aaaaaaa.....so he have evolved as a player from Beast Mode to Bong Mode to Beef Mode
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Actually he may be large enough to count as all three.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 23, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
The guy I want Buffalo to go after...
Dexter McCluster from Ole Miss. Hes small… but damn is he fast. The kid can scoot and has breakaway speed. Durability could come into question, but if no one can catch you, youre not gettin hit ;-)
Some of the moves this kid has done are unreal. He had a spin move in the season opener vs Memphis that left me in aww. I think he could be a steal for Buffalo.
Devine is one that I wouldnt mind Buffalo going after, Ive seen him play as I see quite a few WVU games. He is lightning fast… very Sproles like.
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but with Devine staying I think McCluster can fill that homerun void we’ve been missing for yeaaaaaaars.
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i dont know if mccluster will stay on the board long enough for us to get him as a value pick….with the success of chris johnson this year, im guessing there’s a team that will scoop him up long before we need a running back.
by quantumuprising on Jan 22, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Bowl Game
McCluster showed in his bowl game that he’s not afraid of a hit – often lowering the shoulder into larger defenders – also he’ll go between the tackles and is an excellent returner. Well worth a 2nd rounder – but not for us with all the holes we have. If he was there in the 3rd and we passed on him I’d be very annoyed !
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I agree with Brian on Gerhart 100% !!!
I like Toby but he doesn’t fit the Bills scheme. Now McCluster and Devine are both awesome scatbacks and we really could use that with our offense plus both can be utilized on special teams as kickoff or punk returns.
Not to upset anyone, but
Toby Gerhart reminds me alot of Tim Tebow. Highly skilled, a daily contributor to the team and organization, a name that most everyone knows, but doesn’t demonstrate the exact skill level to contribute immediately at the next level. Key word for those who I just offended is immediately.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
yeah I dont know how a 230+ lb running back would provide an immediate impact in a warm weather city like Buffalo, NY......
silly me.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I see Toby as a Mike Alstot like player. Not someone I would be opposed to taking… just depends on what round he goes. What do you think the market (round wise) is for Mr. Gerhart?
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mid 2nd at the earliest.............
no later than the 3rd though.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
How about Best? What are youre thoughts on him or where he would go. I think hes coming out this year, right? Im asking you these because youre the Pac-10 guy lol. Its tough to get coverage out here on any team but USC.
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Best is an interesting case........
He’s got first round talent all over him……….but that concussion he suffered was gnarly……I think it all depends on how he responds……but I wouldnt be suprised to see him go in the mid-late first round……early 2nd…..He’s one of those “home run” threats Brian was talking about.
He’s a Reggie Bush type…….someone who cant/shouldnt carry the load, but who should get 15 touches and game…..and someone who can break a big one at any time…..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I see a Bush/Harvin type of player. Not really a “position” but line him up all over and get the ball in his hands. Joe McKnight also is a name I wouldnt mind seeing in Buffalo if its a 3rd – 4th round pick. I know he never lived up to the hype… but following Reggie Bush’s numbers was tough. Any idea where he’ll end up in the draft? lol thanks for answering these west coast questions norcali.
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McKnight is a tougher one to judge..........
He’s kinda small……he’s listed at 190, but I would say more like 180…….I see him being more like Harvin, less like Bush/Best……but he’s too talented and too fast to last past the 3rd round. I could see Mcknight being more a WR and less a RB……but it all depends on the team that drafts him.
He kinda strikes me as a guy who would need to have a foot in his rear alot to get the most out of him……Seems a bit immature/takes plays off. But when he wants to play, watch out………
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I agree with that pretty much from what I saw of him this year, and highlights. When he runs, he is something else… Hes got some moves to him, but just never seemed to get it all under control, the SUV thing, plus never emerging himself as THE GO TO GUY in USC has me a little worried about him. But who knows maybe he plays with a chip on his shoulder and wants to prove himself, who knows? I can remember seeing some of his highschool highlights… and all I can say is WOOOOW. Thanks again norcali.
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Best is better
I am a huge Cal fan, so I would love nothing more than for a Best/Lynch Cal reunion backing up Freddy. Talk about a three-headed monster…
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
How about a 5th rounder ---- early.
Same with Tebow. Not because of them as players but because we have greater needs.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
You think Gerhart and Tebow stay around until the 5th round?!
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No, I am saying
We would be stupid to pass on them if they were still there and some of our other needs were met. I believe they both could very well be there after round 2.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
neither will be around past round 3.
with all the discussion about them, i would bet my bottom dollar on that. and toby would be a contributor on day one. im not sure how anyone could think differently. usually RB’s are one of the easiest positions to translate to the NFL. and toby will be no different. i expect him to have a rookie year similar to marshawn.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 22, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
This is why
The media and public opinion does not draft the players. My opinion is that with 22 positions available on offense and defense and 32 teams in the NFL the numbers don’t justify their immediate NFL impact in rounds 1&2.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
i didnt say everyone from round 1&2 would be an impact
but i am saying that toby will be. RB are considered the easiest to transition, and toby will be no different. and the draft is a fickle thing. once a “run” starts at a position you see alot of guys drafted higher than they should be if they are in the position the “run” is in.
and i still stand by me saying toby and tebow will be gone before round 3 is over.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 22, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
But I think that idealy you would like your first 2 round picks to be impact players. Doesnt always happen, or work out that way. But “Project” picks in the first 2 rounds usually dont bode(sp?) well with the fanbases… I wont mention his name because I dont want to be that guy lol.
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oh alright. I got ya.
Yeah I have a feeling Tebow will go in round 1. But I think McCluster will be around in round 3.
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i have that feeling about tebow too
but i hope hes there around pick 41…..
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 22, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ideally Tebust goes undrafted.
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by UZ on Jan 23, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
lol no way
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
You’re just biased. LOL
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 23, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Why does Toby Gerhart
Remind me of Tommy Vardell?
It’s not about scheme fit with Gerhart at all. We don’t even really have a scheme yet on offense. I think he’d fit in Buffalo just fine, but he doesn’t diversify our talent at RB the way a speed back would.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 22, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think he does
I think Gerhart would give us some diversity – just not in the way you want it (I also agree re a speed back) But Gerhart would give us a back capable of actually getting into the end zone more than twice a year. IF Lynch is not there for whatever reason then Gerhart makes sense. As much as everyone loved Fred Jackson, lets face it – he rarely gets in the end zone and we kind of need someone who can score touchdowns by my thinking.
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I like your writeup however in regards to this ........
a back capable of actually getting into the end zone more than twice a year.
Continuity along the O line will go a lot farther towards solving that problem then a new RB will.
True
Though I think either would help – and especially both ! I don’t remember Jackson scoring too man when we had peters etc and lynch scored 16 in those 2 years. Granted though that Jackson did not get many opportunities then.
I just think that short yardage has been such a huge problem for the bills now that it sure wouldn’t hurt to have a guy like Gerhart. That said we do have much bigger needs. OL, QB, LB for example :)
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I think it is a must, but who,when and where.
We might have four running backs on the roster with one full back, but we and I hate to say this, are an injury away from being in a critical state at that position. That injury is going to force someone to handle the ball more than originally planned and those 16 game schedules are brutal on running backs.
My prediction going into the draft will be similiar to the Shawn Nelson pick or even the Trent Edwards pick and include Jarius Byrd. We will draft someone when none of us expect it and the guy will show huge upside in camp. The downside is we don’t need a roster full of rookie runningbacks. We need a FA that can still play as well.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
Buffalo is two injuries away from being in a ‘critical state’ at running back. It’s not as though Lynch has gotten old overnight or forgotten how to run the ball. Compare that with some other areas:
DE: little talent among the starters, nothing but question marks among the backups
DT: Johnson/McCargo are the backups if Williams or Stroud goes down—ugh
LB: we all saw how thin the LB corps is this year
OT: Butler is destined for injury, Bell didn’t get the job done and the backups are terrible
OG: there’s no other depth behind Levitre and Incognito—particularly if Wood is moved to center or not back from injury
QB: groan
WR: Evans has no backup and the Bills failed to groom a replacement for Owens
So, that’s 7 positions besides RB that need either starters or quality backups. In each case, Buffalo is one injury away from being in a ‘critical situation.’ I hope Buffalo pretty much avoids RBs in the draft and doesn’t squander too many free agency dollars on a RB either.
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by Ron From NM on Jan 22, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
We have no passing game what so ever at the moment.
Gailey is a run to set up the pass coach. Expecting to focus on the conventional run game instead of fast pace no huddle offense I don’t think we are as strong as we all might think. Grabbing someone in the fourth or fifth round isn’t exactly breaking our bank, especially if the right person is there.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
Yeah but....
Running to set up the pass is great but you’ve got to be able to scare people with the pass to make it work. In 2008 no one respected Buffalo’s passing game and the RBs consistently faced 8+ in the box. In 2009 the RBs rarely faced 8+ in the box because teams were worried about Evans/TO beating them deep. Picking up a RB (draft or free agency) isn’t going to convince teams to respect the passing game. Picking up a WR (or re-signing TO), a QB and fixing the line will.
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by Ron From NM on Jan 22, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not against a RB in the 5th or 6th round, but it is worth adding that you can find productive players at RB during the middle of the season. There’s no reason why Buffalo couldn’t find a guy after the draft or even roll with a completely shot Larry Johnson or Cedric Benson type of player for a couple games in the middle of the year too. It’s not like Buffalo is going to miss the playoffs because of a lack of depth at RB, so it has to be a secondary concern. Even the drafting of an RB needs to be with the future in mind and not what could go wrong this season.
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id imagine if Wood was moved to C we'd still have Hang
and if we actually draft a T (Bryan Bulaga for the right please) then that bumps Butler back in where he should be and we’d have Hang and Incogs as backups.
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by neverbeentobuffalo on Jan 22, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
True...
My optimal lineup would 1st Rd Rookie LT / Levitre / Wood / Butler / Bell
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Considering the situation...
Changing OCs the week before, scrapping the no-huddle, 1st year getting PT, a QB who held the ball too long and had questionable pocket awareness, not too mention Bell wasn’t ready or strong enough to be starting. Soooo, yeah, I think he did fairly well considering these issues. Also, since so many people are pining for Oher, they have similar numbers from last year and both played like rookies. Bell is simply a little weaker at the POA but comes several million cheaper and IMO, has a higher ceiling.
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
For an incredibly raw rookie from the 7th round who probably should have sat out another year playing with a new unit every single week before succumbing to the injury bug himself, I’d say he did pretty good.
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by UZ on Jan 23, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
lynch
lynch was a burner at call too i dont know what happened. i love his beast mode attitude when hes playing but im not a fan of the rest of him
He was not a burner at all. While Marshawn had some impressive runs, he isn’t anywhere near Best’s home run ability.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Best ran a 10.31 100m in high school and will likely run 4.3 40 or lower at the combine. Marshawn has definite burst, but isn’t on the same level and can’t sustain it for as long as Best.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Best ran 110 yards in 10.31?! Bolt’s only accomplished 9.58 over that distance. That seems insane that Best is anywhere near Bolt’s speed.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 22, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Not so much, I mean the average olimpian only reaches around 9.9 per hundred metres (110 yards) and your top college track stars go anywhere between 9.95 and 10.2 (9.95 is still good enough to get you to the olympics, although you`ll get blown out of the water when your their) so its not inconceivable that a football player would have a personal best of 10.31 , especially if he used to do track before (which I`m guessing is the case here). And keep in mind thats straight line speed that would come in very handy in the NFL because you also need manuverability (and moving around generally kills your speed).
But yeah. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are 2 or 3 guys that can run a 10.40 in every draft. So to be able to find a football player that can run a 10.31, while impressive, is not that uncommon I would imagine.
Oh and by the 10.31 and 9.58 are nowhere near in the same ballpark when it come to the 100 metre dash (110 yards). At a pro level 0.08 of a second can mean the difference between first and last place. Although Usane Bolt is still a freak of nature as no one else has yet to run under 9.78, and the average olympian is somewhere between 9.88 and 9.95.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry for the long winded explination. I use to run long distance track in highschool and know a bit about the subject.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
I was a sprinter by trade, I was really fast, though not 10.4 fast. If I was serious about track in school, I might have done something with it. I played other sports and just used to train a bit with the team. Now I run distance and my knees yell at me every day!
Usain Bolt is one of my favorite athletes to watch. He knows he’s great, but doesn’t take himself too seriously.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 22, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Agree 100%, rec'd.
The Bills have way bigger needs than RB’s.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
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Your dead on Ron, we have WAY to many other issues to consider moving Lynch or using a pick higher than the 4th round on a RB. If we got a kid in say the 6th who was a huge gainer (like 5+ YPC) then I would be fine with that, especially if he is a burner. Churn up yards with the pads on, fast without them, sounds like a Chris Johnson clone to me, and someone we would need to keep our eyes out for at smaller schools, which Modrak and Co have shown some skill at finding in the draft or UDFA.
But your right about bigger needs elsewhere.
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Agree for the most part, but at OG we have Hangartner as a very good back-up if Wood moves to Center. Also, the Bills would be smart to keep Kendall Simmons as another interior back-up. And while Bell didn’t get the job done that well as a virtual rookie, that’s normal for anyone playing OT as a first time starter. Still, we do need one more OT either in the draft or FA.
At WR we do have Hardy and Johnson, though both are untested. Picking up a veteran #2 WR in FA would probably be a smart move to be there if Hardy doesn’t do well in the preseason and to serve as a back-up if he does.
In training camp the talk was that Lynch added weight, while not losing any of his speed. I was skeptical at the time (simple physics would tell you that doesn’t ) and I think his production this season showed that. He wasn’t exactly ripping off long runs, although he seemed to dance around more this year than hitting the hole hard.
I think cutting weight would add to his effectiveness. He should be closer to 200 than 230.
He still can be a really productive player for his team. Perhaps getting demoted and a change in coaching staff will light a fire and allow him to be more productive.
I wouldn’t have guessed it, but Lynch will be 24 in April. There should be a lot in there to tap into.
I think we’ll see a late round RB in the draft in the speed mode Brian described. The team needs a 3rd RB that they can use in the event of an injury and have a guy for a year or two down the road at the same time.
To be fair there was rarely a hole for him to hit, hard or otherwise.
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by UZ on Jan 23, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
Brian, can I ask you to read/comment on my Fanpost
About Drafting a QB vs Signing one in Free Agency?
I know that it is off topic for this post, but I would like your input because:
1.) It is pretty relevant to yesterday’s article on the state of the Bills QBs.
2.) It is relevant to the situation the Bills are in, as they will most likely need to get a QB this offseason.
3.) Based on the data that I chose to analyze, I feel like I have come to some type of solid conclusion. I would like to know if you agree with the approach I took in getting to that conclusion and if you agree with the conclusion.
4.) And last, but not least, I spent 2-3 hours researching/writing it yesterday….I don’t want to think that I just wasted my time! haha
Thanks in advance!
Most of me agrees with where you’re going here Brian. But I don’t think finding a change of pace back is much more important than the addition of any type of 3rd RB. I don’t think Buffalo is good enough to be building a roster for this upcoming season and I think Buffalo needs to go out and find the best RB that they can and not the guy who could contribute the most this season.
Fred Jackson is a pretty good between the tackles runner, but he’s not really a power runner. He breaks tackles, but does it in a slippery way. So, I think a good receiving back like Jackson could still pair up with a bigger back like Anthony Dixon or LaGarrette Blunt. Gerhart is going to go too early for Buffalo to consider, even if Lynch is traded or suspended. Although I think Jackson has some good years left, he is 29 years old. He’s not a guy who is still going to be the starter here in 4 or 5 years.
Lynch is one dumb move away from a year long suspension and has two years left on his contract. Is Marhsawn really a guy who is going to be resigned after his contract is up? He’s been fairly durable during his career, but tends to miss a game here or game there. I know Buffalo looks really solid on paper at this position, but the best move might be to draft a wel rounded RB in the middle rounds and let them ride the bench for the year. Keep the mileage off for a season and see what you’ve got. Maybe Buffalo could grab a guy like Ben Tate, Andre Anderson, Stafon Johnson, Joique Bell or some other small school guy and find their 2012-2014 starter. I know that’s really thinking ahead, but I don’t think that’s a worse strategy than trying to find a complimentary player for a team that isn’t going anywhere.
Another thing that Buffalo could do is find a change of pace guy who can also fill a role as a returner. I’m not sure if there is anybody in this draft who could do that though. But it would definitely add value to a later round pick.
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I would be fine with Dixon, but Blount showed me nothing this year other than a good right cross
Ok, he did play fairly well over the season, but Boise and a few other schools just abused him, maybe it was due to his time out, but he didn’t show me what we had seen in seasons past from him, very worried about that.
Dixon though is the kind of player if we can get him later would make my day. Only issue is that if I grow to like him too much, he will be drafted by the Packers or Ravens before we get a shot at him, ala LaDarius Webb or TJ Lang, it just happens, ALL THE TIME.
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Yeah, Dixon should have been on my list. I just threw a few names out there off the top of my head, but Dixon is exactly the kind of all aroud back that Buffalo should consider taking in the later rounds. He’s a guy who could start in this league.
Blunt had a couple nice games after coming back from that suspension. He had an awful day against Boise and only played in two other games, but he did end up with 87 yards on 14 carries and two TDs in those final two games and they were against good teams in Oregon St. and Ohio St. And he did run for over 1,000 yards, 17 TDs and over 7 yards per carry last year. He only had two games all last season where he averaged below 5 yards per carry and he had 7 games averaging more than 7 yards per carry.
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Whats the RBs name from Oregon State?
Jaquiz Rodgers? Or is the his brother who plays WR? Either way, the Rodgers brother who plays RB is a super-quick, not sure how fast, well-rounded RB (meaning he can catch and block as well as run).
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
He's like 5'7" 175 lbs........(if that)
and he’s going into his Junior year…….I doubt he comes out even next year…….and yes his name is Jaquizz.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
I know he's small...
but he tore up USC’s defense the last two years…
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
well with guys like Andy Levitre blocking for him......
its not hard to see why………plus teams that run right at USC seem to have the most success lately…….(see Stanford as well)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
quick doesn't make
an NFL caliber back. The toss sweep might work in the Pac 10 but once he tries that nonsense in the NFL he will be dominated by the most average of DE’s.
by uscBillsGamecock on Jan 23, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind spending a 7th rd pick
On a guy like Tyvon Holliday from LSU and using him as a KR/RB. Even though technically he’s a wr.
If it only costs a 6th or 7th...
let’s do it…
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Lynch is still a great back
whether you like him or not and his off field antics the guy has proven he can run hard and finish plays strong in this league. He’s also shown he can catch well.
I love me some Fred but don’t be surprised if these two continue to swap status as the number 1 guy on the depth chart for a few seasons. Both are great running backs to have. We are very lucky.
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How is Lynch a great back?
He does some things pretty well, but overall he’s nothing more than a slightly above average RB.
Why is he so great to you, poz?
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by Kurupt on Jan 22, 2010 2:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
in his first two seasons
we really saw what he could do. His rookie and sophomore campaigns he tallied over 4 yards per carry and over 1,000 yards in each, getting in the endzone 16 times in two years. Thats productivity. And then of course, from watching him those two years we saw that Marshawn has a special ability to explode into defenders and gain tough yards – which often can be key to winning games. Marshawn is also versatile, I really think he can play in any system we need him to. He has demonstrated this by running hard, breaking tackles, catching passes out of the backfield, he has shown us a great cut to burst through holes (the little he has had to work with), and he gives the offense a little punch by not being afraid to put his helmet into a defenders chest. All of this is of course at the early stages of his career and I can see a lot better things ahead for him if a coach can get him to focus, cut back on fumbles and improve his vision to see holes a bit better than he does. I’d also like him to go down earlier when a play is done to protect him but I guess thats his style.
I know its just my opinion, but thats why I like him. I think there is so much Marshawn can offer an offense if he is coached right and improves some flaws.
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by poz on Jan 22, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I have seen Lynch play for the past seven years...
He is much more than an above-average RB…Julius Jones is an above-average RB, Brandon Jacobs is an above-average RB, these above-average guys are good at one thing or another; the only thing Lynch is not good at is staying out of the news.
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not a great East/West runner. I really don’t care for toss sweeps with him in the backfield.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 22, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and No
Going East/West is more of a decision by the RB than a scheme option, you can take a toss and then turn it upfield. We ran a toss sweep to Jackson where it was actually a toss counter and went right up the field several times last year.
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Support for Marshawn? FLAGGED!!!
just kidding, I actually rec’d it. Your dead one poz.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
I would agree with this. I see Lynch & Jackson as almost the same guy (character issues aside).Hardly anyone in the NFL has one feature back anymore. I see the Bills running a 60-40 split with these two guys depending on who is hotter/healthier that week. The key will be who will be #3 in the event one goes down? Either we stay put with either Hall or Hairston, or we pick someone up in the late rounds or an undrafted rook. Not really a need at all. I think Brian through this out as the “necessary” article in a series of more important ones. You guys are looking too far into this.
I think that your dead on for this position.
I know a lot of ppl want Lynch gone, but the kid has a lot of talent. And he has shown an ability to break threw tackles that Jackson simply does not have.
As for Freddy, he is definatly this year’s MVP for the Bills. He’s a very good back that can make plays for you, but I sincerily think that he belongs in a two back system, which is exactly why we should keep Lynch and hope that he can finaly clean up his act (although I’m not holding my breath).
As for the draft. If we could find a Scat-Back it would deffinatly be a bonus, but as you said, we shouldn’t look at it as a priority.
For me an ideal istuation for the Bills next year would be having Freddy take 15 carries per game, having Marshawn take about 10 and having a scat back take take 5 or less. I know that adds up to 30 run plays per game, but by what we know about Gailey, thats right up his alley.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 1:56 PM EST reply actions
I agree with you there with
the 15-10-5 breakdown. But if that “scat-back” starts making plays I think his touches have to go up. Like I said in a previously I would line up the “scat-back” all over the place to try and get him the ball… slot, split out, tailback, shotgun back, anywhere he can line up eligible, put him there lol. We need players that can go the distance from anywhere on the field. Thats such a huge part of todays NFL.
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Let me beat a dead horse here
That’s why Tyvon Holliday would be perfect for the Bill’s on so many levels.
haha beat that horse all you want, its true.
He’ll be able to line up anywhere on the field and if we can get him the ball, make one guy miss… then… 6! and not 6×5×4x3x2×1 for you mathletes out there lol. We truely need a player like him. Great article Brian.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 22, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Thx
I sometimes get them confused. But do you like Triston Holliday Brian?
by mob16151 on Jan 22, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 22, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Tyvon Branch, the 4.3 guy who everybody thought would be a CB and returner, but speed crazy Oakland decided to play at SS. And then he ended up leading all safeties in the entire league in both total and solo tackles.
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Meh Branch played well when I saw him
But if you thought Branch was fast wait till you see Holliday run.
Percy Harvin redux you mean, I can do that.
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Most great teams at least have an above average O Line
After all these years, I don’t understand why many people don’t understand Offense starts and ends with the O line…we need to get our lineman in order first.
Even Peyton or A.P. or [insert any name] would not be successful behind our line…
by StandingBillFan on Jan 22, 2010 2:02 PM EST reply actions
i totally agree with you
except that I believe Peyton Manning is the one exception to that rule. I think Peyton is the only player who could still play great behind our o-line. In my opinion, he was the reason a decent team was perfect (those last two don’t count). Perfect! The Colts aren’t great enough to be perfect, but Manning is.
Your right. It starts and ends with the o-line. I would love if we drafted a QB and then a LB and then went all linemen (on d and o), we need starters and depth on both.
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totally agree
Go back and look at the Bills games in the early ‘90s and you’ll appreciate what a great OL does for your offense.
by ccthemovieman on Jan 22, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Most great teams have an above average _______. You can fill in any group of players into that category and it works. Most great teams have above average LBs. Most great teams have above average WRs and TEs. Above average secondaries, etc…..
Believe it or not, as a team, the Bills averaged more yards per carry this year than the Vikings did. A lot of Vikings fans consider the OL to be one of their bigger needs, but you would never know it because they’ve got Adrian Peterson and a great passing game.
I actually think that if we were to list the best offensive lines in the league from 1-32 and then list the best teams in the league, you would currently see less of a correlation then you would with the skill positions and defensive lines. That doesn’t mean that WRs, TEs and RBs are more important than the OL, but with teams like Green Bay and Arizona doing great on offense with some of the worst OLs in the league, Indy doing great with a below average OL and teams like New Orleans and Dallas having great offensive seasons with above average, but not great OLs, I don’t think we can talk up the OL as more important than other units on the team.
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by kaisertown on Jan 22, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this. In fact, if you look at my recent Fanpost "Drafting QB vs Free Agent QB"
You see that the only playoff team in 2009 who’s QB wasn’t at least “above average” was the Jets.
I think there is a very high correlation between good QB and good Team, but who’s to say this correlation doesn’t work for RBs, WR’s etc
by StroudFanClub on Jan 22, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I rec’d that fanpost some time ago.
Yeah, the correlation between the best QBs and the best teams is beyond huge. The other positions are nice, but other than that QB and a pass rush (and there are a lot of ways to generate a pass rush) nothing is completely necessary to be a great team.
Great players, at any position from the OL to WRs, CBs, safeties, LBs, DEs, whatever make teams better, but there’s no one way to build a team outside of good QB play and a defense that can beat those good QBs.
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Barry Sanders
Would have success
I don't take a dime of their [lobbyist] money, and when I am president, they won't find a job in my White House.
~Barack Obama
by NolaBillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man
I’ve been dying for a speed back for so long. For a team with a poor OL, that struggles to score and is desperate for big plays offensively, a speedy) that can take it to the house would be a lovely and welcome addition.
I like Michael Smith too. Nice player and could be a steal, with return ability to boot. That’s a midrounder worth picking, especially with any extra picks we might acquire.
I like McCluster as well, but he will probably go earlier in the draft.
My personal favorite sleeper is LaMarcus Coker. He was a bigtime recruit at Tennessee before getting into weed. If that’s no longer a concern, he could be a huge pickup later in the draft. He supposedly recently ran a sub 4.3 40 and has good size around 205 lbs. We should be looking for high reward players and this guy could be one.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 22, 2010 2:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
McCluster would be awesome
how early do you think he goes?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
McClusters my ideal homerun back.
I love watching him. That kid is going to be good.
"Be a wuss at home! Be a man on Rumblings!" - Kurupt
The combine and his pro day are huge
Because he’s rather small, he needs to run really well. Assuming he runs a sub 4.4, my guess is around round 3…maybe late round 2, but I find that difficult to imagine at this point.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 22, 2010 2:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the success of percy harvin will help him, i would imagine.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Round 2 or 3
McCluster would be my first choice as I mentioned a few weeks back. He can also split our to WR having played a full season there, top it off with the fact that he can be slectric when returning punts and kicks and he’s all we could ever need. If he was there in the 3rd I’d be annoyed if we passed on him. Oh yeah – he might be small, but he’s not afraid to lower the shoulder and try to run over bigger guys – he will run between the tackles unlike say Reggie Bush !
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
you want another RB that likes to toke up?
are you sure you arent high?
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Aware
Was not aware he had that rap on him – we dont get the college gossip down in Aus. We just get to see the games and he looked pretty dynamic from what I saw.
He has a problem does he ??
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
yeah K mentioned it in his post above......
Heres some info on that Coker suspension
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
McCluster
I thought we were talking about McCluster – not Coker.
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
yeah K mentioned McCluster, but said his personal favorite was Coker.....
sorry thats who I was commenting on….
My bad for not clarifying.
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 22, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I am sure I am high...
Besides, the majority of NFL players smoke weed in the off-season, the idiots are the ones who dont stop when the tests are coming.
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
If I'm Chan Gailey
I sit down and have a long heart-to-heart talk with Marshawn Lynch .
Lynch is too young and too strong to give up on. Let’s give him another year and see if he can behave himself, and learn to do a few things better on field. Yes, Freddie is the man, a much smarter and more productive back, but – maybe it’s just wishful thinking – I think Lynch still can help the Bills.
I sit down and have a long heart-to-heart talk with Marshawn Lynch .
You’d be a smart Chan Gailey then. Good point. I hope he does exactly what you say for the reasons you say.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Didn't uncle Roger already do that?
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
could be a good segue to reinforcing uncle Roger. Gailey should ask, “So, tell me about your chat with Uncle Rog. How’d that go? And, son, if you need $20 come ask me…OK?”
"I, I, I have become comfortably numb" P. Floyd
by fansince60 on Jan 22, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this train of thought as well...
Never liked the idea of not having true FB. “We can’t score from a yard out or convert that 3rd and 1, I got it! et’s get rid of the guy who blocks the first defensive player in the backfield and put him on the line, that way no one will get in the backfield, see? Problem solved.” Seriously, WTF are coaches thinking sometimes. I wanted the WVU FB that went to Seattle last year, or the Syracuse FB Fiammetta, but I will be happy when we get back to power running, which of course needs a FB.
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Anquan Boldin?!?!?!?!?!
So, the Cardinals apparently want a 3rd round pick and a throw in for Boldin. Thoughts? I’m not saying I’d want to do it, but its definitely worth looking at, isnt it? Evans running deep routes and Boldin running routes everywhere else is an interesting thought.
Man this is news, put it up in a FanPost!
Personally, I’d jump on that deal. I’d offer our 3rd and Phillie’s 6th and see if they bite.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
qualifying that last post:
They didn’t tell US thats what it would take…..thats just been the rumored report that will get it done. Last year, they wouldnt take that, but the Zona’ papers think it will get done w/ that this year.
Also, I think they want the “throw in” to be a player, and not just a 2nd pick. Here is the link:
sweet.
i’d throw a 3rd rounder and someone like McCargo or something their way. No doubt.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
I think it’s going to take a little more than McCargo. Maybe we can get away with sending them Schobel and a 5th?
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 22, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
if this is true
and a third can get boldin. buffalo has to jump on it.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Jan 22, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Why wouldn't 30 other teams do the same?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
who cares? he does want a big contract, but i still think its very doable.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Jan 23, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
I don't
Rebuilding teams don’t trade 2nd or 3rd round picks and hand out a big contract for a WR, especially when they already have a $9M/year WR on the roster.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
are you kidding?
trading away a 3rd round pick (which has the possibility of not even working out) for a proven WR threat such as boldin isnt a good trade? i get the money argument but no way you can argue that boldin isnt worth a 3rd. i would think he would be worth the investment, but thats just my opinion compared to yours, and thats where we diverge in our views.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Jan 23, 2010 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
I never said he wasn't worth a 3rd
Boldin is worth a 1st rounder, IMO.
Does that mean the Bills should do that? Nope.
You have to remember, Boldin will probably have some input in where he goes to. If he isn’t going to report to some team he has no interest in playing for, that trade wouldn’t happen. I just don’t see how he’d want to come to Buffalo, and I don’t see how the Bills can give another long term deal to a WR for $7-8+M…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
agreed. Hes worth the pick… but we cant lock up that much money into 2 WR’s that our QB’s have trouble getting them the ball to anyways. It just doesnt fit the Bills need or finances right now.
"Be a wuss at home! Be a man on Rumblings!" - Kurupt
Why not????? It is not like we spent a lot of money on a GM or Coach
Give Fitz (Whoever) a big WR who doesn’t drop half the balls thrown to him.
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
Totally agree. Boldin is going to be 30 years old and that 7-8 mil contract is a conservative estimate. Buffalo isn’t in a position to be giving huge contracts to 30 year old players.
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I don't see how you guys are fine with TO getting 6mil, which everyone said was reasonable,
and not be fine with Boldin getting 8 mil? Boldin has so much more left in the tank and has better hands.
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
The Bills gave TO a one year deal and they thought they had a QB at the time.
I also think that Boldin gets a good amount more than 8 mil. A couple years ago, Randy Moss got 9 mil and Berrian got 7 mil. Last year Coles got 7 mil and Houshmandzadeh got 8 mil. And then there’s the Evans extension too. I think Boldin is more of a 9-10 mil player and that’s a ton of money to hand out.
For me, it’s more of a team building philosophy then it is about the money. I think the order you have to do things in is to build a core of good young players and then add the big FA or vet via trade. That way, you’re younger players are into their mid 20s and reaching their prime while you vet pickups are still around 30 and worth the huge money you’re paying him.
If the Bills actually find a QB this or next draft, how long will it take for that guy to be the type of player who could bring a team to the Super Bowl? And how old is Anquan Boldin at that point? You can always add the big name via FA, so I think the smart strategy is to wait and do it when the team is better.
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but who is going to put fannies in the seat?
Who is going to get the Bills on MNF for their yearly heartbreaking loss? I agree we need to build for the future, but if Boldin would agree to come here I don’t see how you pass him up
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
I doubt Boldin is putting any fannies in the seats....
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Talking about a guy that has the ability to take it all the way on any given play
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
by billsoferie on Jan 22, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
$$$$$$$$
Boldin wants a big contract….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
But Ralph is willing to spend money, correct?
If by some miracle we can get Boldin for a 3rd and some scraps like Roscoe or even Schobel if he wants to go there, now way I don’t pull the trigger. Boldin is a playmaker…..you know…..like TO used to be.
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
beast-mode
lynch is the best RB on the team. who gains more yards, scores more td’s if given the SAME AMOUNT OF TOUCHES? the answer is lynch. jackson is great as a returner and back-up RB, but as far as an every down back, lynch is far and away the better player.
last year i would've agreed with you.
But it’s hard to explain what happened this year other than Jackson just being a better player, at least for the last 4 months.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Yeah, part of me still agrees with him, but I thought that Jackson had a better season this year despite being in a worse situation, then Lynch has ever had. I don’t think the difference is a lack of carries, because Marshawn had those carries in 2007 and 2008 and never came close the the 4.5 yards per carry Jackson had this year.
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RBs...
Lynch was an idiot, got suspended, and when he came back, he lost his job……… and his desire.
Eat some humble pie buddy. Time to suck it up and be a man.
Freddy was the man this year, but Lynch (I HOPE) will be motivated by his off-season failures and this years on-season lack of production. Actually, pathetic.
Freddy is older and one OTA knee blow-out from ending his season. We need them both next year. No trading Lynch.
Stupid move because we will get zero value for him.
And right now we have nothing behind the two of them if they both go down.
"A failure becomes just one time at bat if you refuse to let it defeat you." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 22, 2010 10:14 PM EST reply actions
talking trades
What about sending linch to San Diego for the rights to Marcus Mcniell and maybe even Lights out….
I doubt the team is planning to bring lights out back, and trading a very good RB for a very good Tackle makes sense.. though I am not sure for San Diego… though to be fair, they need to replace LT and Lynch would actually be a good fit there. salves two big problems for both teams?
an idea anyways….
The Czech Republic and Republic of Slovakia are the only country outside of Canada that will know were Buffalo is and have actually visited it, and liked it! Hockey, Beer, and not liking any outsiders... hmmmmm HOME away from HOME!
Lynch was great
until he started hitting Canadians with his car, smoking weed with a gun in California, stealing $20 bills from people at the Galleria, and acting like a general jackass in the city of Buffalo while hammered. I say cut your losses, pick up a RB in FA and pick up another in the draft. I get what Michael Vick did was bad, but dude people complain about giving him a second chance when we’re giving Marshawn a third and fourth. Some people don’t get it and he clearly does not get it, a definition knuckle dragger. We have a solid back in Freddy Jack, I say wash our hands of Lynch and grab a rookie and a FA.
by uscBillsGamecock on Jan 23, 2010 12:13 AM EST reply actions
What does anyone think about Brandon James from UF?
"Be a wuss at home! Be a man on Rumblings!" - Kurupt
Oh sorry, missread your post. Thought you were talking about a UFA..
As for James, he’ll probably be gone before we can afford to spend a pick on a HB in the draft (which in my mind is round 5 and later).
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 23, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions

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