State of the Bills Roster: Tight End
Absent hard news on Chan Gailey's attempts to piece together an assistant coaching staff, we're going to continue breaking down the Buffalo Bills' current roster in our State of the Bills Roster series. I know; you'd rather be talking about who our next defensive coordinator is rather than Buffalo's tight ends. I completely understand, and am right there with you. But it appears we'll have to play the waiting game, unless this posting, scheduled for 1:45 PM on Monday, tempts the football gods into throwing hard news our way.
About two weeks back, I penned a piece in this space imploring Buffalo to re-discover the tight end position in its offense. That article was written shortly before Gailey was introduced as Buffalo's head coach; needless to say, the fact that the Bills hired an offensive-minded head coach who professes to build schemes around the talents of his players brings a little optimism to the outlook of this position in Buffalo. That is, if Gailey can live up to his word. Oh, and find a quarterback. And an offensive line.
Buffalo does have some talent at this position, although what the new coaching staff expects in general out of the position could severely impact how it's addressed this off-season. Regardless, things are looking up for one or two of Buffalo's young tight ends, in particular a player entering his second season.
What the new regime might be looking for
It's tough to say at this point, particularly because of Gailey's words. The previous regime, as a general rule, preferred "well-rounded" tight ends that could stay on the field for all downs, catch a few passes and, most importantly, block. That preference was a big reason the team worked the phones hard last April to try to make a move to land current Detroit tight end Brandon Pettigrew.
Typically, if a coaching staff can get both in one player, they'll take it. But the Bills were a little out of character last year, bringing in a pass-catcher in need of a tremendous amount of blocking work in the fourth round.
I'd expect that trend to continue under Gailey's watch. Short of finding an elite TE prospect like Pettigrew, the Bills might look to complement their pass-catcher - a truly excellent talent, by the way - with some rotational blocking-type guys that can work the red zone. Either way, this position could be status quo, or it could see a pretty massive overhaul from a depth standpoint. Time will tell, and it's hard to predict which way Gailey and company will lean at this point.
Current personnel
The Bills currently employ five tight ends, even though one of them was on and off the roster more frequently than Gibran Hamdan.
Shawn Nelson. Allow me to gush for a moment. Trust me, it'll only be a moment. I think Shawn Nelson has the raw talent to become one of the NFL's most dominant tight ends. There, I said it. That's not a prediction, just my feelings on his talent level. It'll take good coaching, a good game plan, and a good quarterback. Nelson has the type of talent to become a focal point of this offense, and displayed the type of athleticism to make mind-bending catches look routine in a rather unproductive rookie year. No predictions, only moderate level excitement - this guy has a ways to go. But his potential is outstanding.
Contract status: 3 years remaining. Owed $1.44M in base salaries.
Derek Schouman. Spent most of the 2009 season on Injured Reserve after starting the season off on fire (9 catches, 103 yards in under two games). Given his RFA status and his quick start last season, Schouman is at least likely to get a long look from the new coaching staff. But there's no way he should get preferential treatment to Nelson.
Contract status: Restricted Free Agent
Derek Fine. I really like Derek Fine. I'm not going to gush the way I did at the top of this section of the article, but Fine is a tough football player, and I like tough football players. I think he's a really good depth player that will always be able to help you out on game days, no matter the size of his role.
Contract status: 2 years remaining. Owed $1.025M in base salaries.
Jonathan Stupar. Made it onto Buffalo's roster after a stellar pre-season and the injury to Schouman. Was highly average playing second fiddle to Nelson the majority of the season. Still young and lays it all on the line, but I don't see much upside.
Contract status: Exclusive Rights Free Agent
Joe Klopfenstein. I'm not sure he even counts. He doesn't block well, and although his forte is supposed to be as a receiver, he's not particularly effective in that department, either.
Contract status: Restricted Free Agent (UFA with new CBA).
Who stays? Who goes?
Nelson stays. At a talent-starved position, he's the lone bright spot. I think Fine stays too - he's a tough S.O.B., can block and catch, and plays very well on special teams. Those players are nice to have around. I don't see Klopfenstein getting a training camp invite, and while Stupar probably will, he's a long shot to make the team. Schouman is the wild card - if Gailey and the offensive staff want to get bigger and better at this position, Schouman might be the guy to leave.
If I were a betting man (and no, I'm not)...
Nelson will be penciled in as the starter, and unless the team runs into an unforeseen BPA-type situation in the draft or via free agency, it'll stay that way. Nelson is clearly the most talented player at the position, and absolutely has the ability to become a huge factor for an NFL offense. If Gailey is true to his word, Nelson could become a focal point of the passing game.
Names to keep an eye on
Right now, I'm leaning towards the Bills being a little more conservative at this position while they try to address bigger need areas. I won't throw any names out there for you as top-notch considerations, but there are definitely players available this year, particularly in the draft, that will make teams happy.
Previous installments of the State of the Bills Roster series: QB, RB.
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I wish Shou coulda stayed healthy for a whole season.......
never really got to see what the guy could offer………….Im with you Brian, I dont see TE as a huge need…….but if it gets addressed then thats okay too.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 25, 2010 1:54 PM EST reply actions
I'm with both of you
I definitely don’t consider it a need position as far as bringing more/different players in, but I consider it more of an offensive scheme change that is necessary.
That is to say, we have the talent for the position to be very solid, we just need a scheme (and a QB as Brian said) that is made to get the ball to Nelson at least occasionally.
does jermaine gresham’s injury force him farther down the board so we could get him as a freaking steal like nelson? or will he still be a top round prospect?
by quantumuprising on Jan 25, 2010 1:55 PM EST reply actions
As long as Gresham shows he is healthy in workouts, he’s pretty much a lock to be off the board by the time the 3rd round starts. Rob Gronkowski is another injured TE who could drop, but probably won’t. It’s not a good year for TEs, so those guys won’t slide too far.
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Hmm… Round 3? That seems ultra-conservative. With a clean bill of health, I think he’s a Top 25 pick.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 25, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
just checked out kiper’s big board and he has him going to the ravens in the first round. i guess that answers his talent level.
by quantumuprising on Jan 25, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
And even top 25 is conservitive. He’s by far the best TE in this draft in my eyes. I see him gone by the 20th pick, much like Pettigrew last year.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 25, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I could see him sliding into the middle of the 2nd round. The top 50 prospects is so deep this year that more players than usual will drop. I’m really not ruling out anybody who isn’t a top 15 prospect being available to the Bills in the 2nd round. That’s where I ended up with the 3rd round comment. It was also a response to the Nelson type of slide who maybe went 50 picks later than he should have.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 26, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
also, i think we should consider a fierce blocking big tight end (a la anthony fasano) that could seriously help the offensive line.
by quantumuprising on Jan 25, 2010 1:55 PM EST reply actions
Yeah but thats a secondary need right now. Honestly on deffinate rushing downs if we’re concerned about our TE’s abilities to block we should just stick in an extra tackle and be done with it. We can worry about finding a blocking TE later, we have much bigger needs to worry about.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 25, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
With Chan Gailey in town, I wouldn’t mind Buffalo adding a blocking TE. Not any type of big acquisition, but a crappy FA or a late round pick. It would be nice to pair a player like that with Nelson, and I’m not convinced that Derek Fine is that player. He’s had trouble staying on the field and is very mediocre in a number of ways.
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I'm confused
Are you fine with crappy or is Fine crappy?
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by fansince60 on Jan 25, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha, both actually.
Nelson needs some time and while I’m not much of a Schouman fan, he’s a reliable check down guy. I’m OK with a 3rd TE being pretty bad, I’d just like for that player to be more of a specialty guy like a 265+ pound blocker. And Fine has missed 14 games over the last couple years. i’d like somebody more reliable than that.
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well actually
if you’re fine with crappy and Fine is crappy, then you’re fine with Fine
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I think Schouman will be here next season
But I dont think he’ll be playing a TE role. I see Schouman becoming that Frank Wychek H Back for gaileys offense next season.
that certainly probably fits his build better.
by quantumuprising on Jan 25, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
So you mean like a receiving FB? I think he could easily switch between both positions.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 25, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he was originally drafted to be an H-Back.
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I don't see the Bills reaching for a TE
I picture with all the holes the Bills have they will be grabbing guys more so on their value then on the Bills need. The TE position isn’t a need area, but it could use an upgrade on depth (especially if Schouman is gone), and the Bills might just grab someone if they are suprised he is still available.
I am with Brian though, I wouldn’t mind seeing the Bills get a good blocking TE, one that can be really physical in the redzone and still be able to catch some passes – I don’t see Nelson ever becoming a monster blocking at the end of the line. I think he is better suited to throwing blocks in space for screens and such, where his speed can really be utilized.
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I think that this is a position that the status quo could rule in favor of this offseason.
Nelson is a S-T-U-D. And he should be one of the focal point of the passing game next season. I’m thinking that most inside throws and most mid and low level throws he should be the first target. He should deffinatly be a big part of our offence.
Of the rest, I say we keep Schouman and Fine and hand Stoupar and camp invite. AKA basicly what Brian said. Schouman has potential, and was on fire until he got injured las season. Fine is a fine blocker (no pun intended) but shouldn’t be relied upon to be part of the passing game. And Stoupar has basicly reached his sealing, so I don’t much care if he stays or if he goes. I’m not even taking Kolp into account, the guy sucks and was basicly on our roster as a warm body, thats it.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 25, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
blocking
I gotta agree on Nelson. I think he will be the answer to our long drought at TE. People talk alot about his poor blocking ability, but is that really an issue anymore. I remeber reading the O-line summeries Ron wrote last season, and it seemed like Nelson was one of only a few people who managed to hold his blocks through out a play consistantly.
Injury Status for Fine and Shouman?
Does anyone recall what these injuries were? Wasn’t one of them an ACL? Hopefully they are both fully recovered, but if not that will certainly factor into April decisions.
pretty sure schouman was an acl, i don’t remember what fine’s was, but i don’t think it was as bad
by quantumuprising on Jan 25, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
OK. So if it was an ACL he may not be ready by mini camps and may not be back to full strength/mobility until just before the season. Hopefully he is fine, but that has to be a consideration…
by IthacaBillsFan on Jan 25, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
usually for guys like that the timetable is 8-9 months before they resume full contact stuff, so assuming he was hurt in september, he should be okay for preseason stuff.
by quantumuprising on Jan 25, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
WOW.....you guys are brutal to poor Joe K
Joe Klopfenstein. I’m not sure he even counts.
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I’m not even taking Kolp into account, the guy sucks and was basicly on our roster as a warm body, thats it.
Normally, that kind of hate is reserved for overpaid starters. Somewhere, his mom is crying.
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by Joe P. on Jan 25, 2010 2:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
displayed the type of athleticism to make mind-bending catches look routine in a rather unproductive rookie year.
You got that right. Many of Ftizys inaccurate passes that came Nelsons way were snagged outta the air by him and made some pretty nice catches. I think/hope Gailey will be able to use Nelson to his abilities. He can become a real weapon for us, especially with Lee as our only “proven” threat in our passing game. Im excited about the possability of our offense using a TE again. They can help so much in an offense and are usually under-valued.
I wouldnt mind them looking to bring in a cheap TE to compete with the Dereks but I think that it will be Nelson, Fine and Shou next year at the TE spot…
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Nelson's true value will be explointing an area of the field we haven't exploited since Drew Bledsoe was here
the goshdarn middle! like 12-20 yards downfield. Fitz couldn’t make that throw and Edwards wouldn’t make that throw, but it’s a throw that all the bigtime offenses have. The colts have clark, the cowboys witten, san diego has gates, new orleans shockey and colston…
once we have a guy who can and will make that throw, Nelson is going to be a big deal.
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by firstdownbuffalo on Jan 25, 2010 7:21 PM EST reply actions
As long as its in the 7th Rd
I would like to see OBD sign a rookie FA TE & FB after the draft. For the TE, someone who can absolutely knock people back when run blocking, maybe look at some small school Ts who have the agility to transfer to a blocking TE. For the FB, bring in two thumpers to compete with McIntyre.
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 25, 2010 9:16 PM EST reply actions
agree!
I think (especially with a FB) alot of value can be gotten in the 7th and in rookie FA. I’d cut Schouman, and bring in a blocking TE because the Bills have trouble with Power formation type offense, and Nelson won’t be a great blocker, that not his game. I think Fine is pretty good all around I’m impressed with him too. Overall I agree with NorCal BillsFan and Brian as far as what to do with TE
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also
I don’t think Buffalo will have a great running attack until we get a fullback like Sam Gash again whose sole purpose would just go and level linebackers and cause all sorts of havoc, I saw him one time blow up a DE and then keep running and level the LB behind him.
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my 6th rnd pick is
Nate Byham from Pitt. can run, block and catch. plus he’s 6’4 268
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That sounds like the ideal fullback. Do you really think he’ll last until the 6th?
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 26, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
If I recall
Nate Byham is a TE. I agree he’s seems to be the right size. I heard he was coming off an injury though.
As for FB I’d like a guy about 6’0 240ish pounds.
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had the bills choosing aaron hernandez in the second. i dont see how thats possible. i think TE is set…..for now.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 25, 2010 11:39 PM EST reply actions
I'm on the Nelson bandwagon
I’d love to see that guy more involved next year.
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by Run Thurmal Run! on Jan 25, 2010 11:53 PM EST reply actions
if Im putting money down
its on Gailey finding a way to use Shawn Nelson. This something a lot of people should be getting more excited about with having Gailey around. We’re going to finally have a guy who will know how to use our weapons on offense. Maybe we won’t waste guys like Lee Evans, Roscoe Parrish, Shawn Nelson, and …. and….ok we don’t have that many weapons.
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TO (if we re-sign him, which I would LOVE), Lynch, Jackson…
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 26, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
We're Set - BUT
I like Nelson and Shouman – Fine will do as a 3rd body – aka “jersey stuffer” However if some like Gresham fell to the 2nd you’d have to be tempted right ? (I realise he likely won’t – but its not impossible)
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If Gresham fell to the 2nd, and in the Bills lap, i’d be really happy.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with most of the board.
We could use a guy to compete with Derek Fine for the second tight end slot. Maybe that’s Schouman, maybe it’s a free agent or rookie, and maybe just maybe it’s Jonathan Stupar. I don’t care how it happens, but our only real need is somebody that isn’t going to take any reps from Nelson but who will push Fine to either maximize his potential or hit the special teams docket.
TE is our fourth need on offense after quarterback, left tackle, and wide receiver. I’m thinking 5th round or 6th.
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Am I crazy...
to think Fine would might make a fairly good FB?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2010 7:04 AM EST reply actions
I think Shouman might make a batter one
He was drafted to be a hybrid afterall – part TE part FB. That said, if we are o get a fullback lets get a real glass eater. I remember a couple of years back everyone here wanted Owen Schmitt. I wish we did get him, I think he lasted until he 6th and he seems to be a top blocker and even catches some passes over there is Seattle. Not the first time I’ve looked at a player ad said “If only we drafted him – just like all the fans wanted”
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Schouman and Fine were both really nice guys at training camp. I also saw both of them makes catches down the seam in that setting where Trent would, ya know, actually throw that route. Stupar really doesn’t do anything for me but I am perfectly fine going into next year with the same trio.
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...but stupar won the heisman while playing in the nfl....
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