Purging the Roster
by Teaters33 on Jan 25, 2010 8:23 PM EST
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With the new coaching regime starting, we all should assume some of the players on the current roster will not be back next year. I've taken a look at the current contract statuses and have come up with my own list of players that I think SHOULD not return. I obviously have no inside information, just a lot of wishful thinking. *Players I think that won't be returning will be struck through.
QB: Brian Brohm, Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Gibran Hamdan
Analysis: Look for the Bills to add another QB either during FA or the Draft. If a potential Rookie starter is drafted look for Edwards to be realeased during training camp.
RB: Justise Hairston, Fred Jackson, Marshawn Lynch, Corey McIntyre
Analysis: If Lynch's off the field issues continue he may be trade bait; especially if the Bills feel they can find a speed back to compliment Jackson in the draft.
WR: Lee Evans, James Hardy, C.J. Hawthorne, Justin Jenkins, Steve Johnson, Terrell Owens, Roscoe Parrish, Josh Reed
Analysis: Jenkins did sign an undisclosed contract but he serves no purpose in terms of offensive production and hopefully with Bobby April gone the new coaching staff won't keep players around for ST purposes only. I would love to see T.O. resigned because I think he can do a lot of good on our team with a new HC. Roscoe is a huge question mark, he could easily be kept but I think sometime during the off season he will be traded for more draft picks. Look for the Bills to add a veteran WR for depth and possibly one during the draft.
TE: Derek Fine, Joe Klopfenstein, Shawn Nelson, Derek Schouman, Jonathan Stupar
Analysis: Even though Schouman is still signed until next off season I don't see him making the roster with his average at best skill set and injury riddled short career. I think a FA TE may be brought in as more for depth and blocking purposes unless there is an amazing snag in the draft.
T: Demetrius Bell, Brad Butler, Kirk Chambers, Nick Hennessey, Jamon Meredith, Andre Ramsey, Jonathan Scott, Jason Watkins
Analysis: The Bills NEED to upgrade this position in the 1st or 2nd round. If more then 1 elite tackles are available I would suggest they draft them.
G: Richie Incognito, Andy Levitre, Seth McKinney, Kendall Simmons, Eric Wood
Analysis: I personally like Incognito as long as he can keep his cool. He did as good as a job as you could ask for when being thrown into the starting line up just a few days after joining the team. I look for them to possibly add a veteran back up which may mean McKinney not making the team.
C: Christian Gaddis, Geoff Hangartner, Marvin Philip
Analysis: I think this entire position needs fixed. I just don't see Hangartner as an every down starter. Possibly move Wood to C and either draft or sign a guard to fill that void.
DE: Chris Ellis, Ryan Denney, Chris Kelsay, Jermaine McGhee, Aaron Maybin, Aaron Schobel, Marcus Smith
Analysis: I cannot wait to see Denney gone. He has never been worth a roster spot in my opinion. Kelsay isn't a FA until next off season but I'm hoping not to see him play for the Bills next year either. I have never liked him nor will my feelings for him change; he is terrible as a pass rusher and always get sucked inside when teams rush or run reverses to his side. Ellis just hasn't shown enough to me to keep him on this list. I look for the Bills to add a DE during the draft.
DT: Rashaad Duncan, Lonnie Harvey, Spencer Johnson, John McCargo, Marcus Stroud, Kyle Williams
Analysis: Even though McCargo is still signed through this year he just hasn't shown anything that would want to keep him. I also think Johnson may not make the roster if the Bills address their small DT's during the draft or FA.
LB: Marcus Buggs, Jon Corto, Chris Draft, Keith Ellison, Nic Harris, Kawika Mitchell, Ashlee Palmer, Paul Posluszny, Josh Stamer
Analysis: This position is one of the spots that needs the most over hauling. I have waited years to put that line through Ellison's name! He is the one person on this team that I absolutely HATE. I won't be suprised if either Draft or Harris doesn't make the roster. We definately need a new starter along side Mitchell and Posluszny. I'm hoping someone in the draft will be added along with a back-up or 2.
CB: Reggie Corner, Drayton Florence, Cary Harris, Ellis Lankster, Leodis McKelvin, Terrence McGee, Ashton Youboty
Analysis: This has been a problem position for the past few years in regards to injury so I wouldn't be suprised if Youboty or Lankster are brough back as well as either a FA or a draft pick.
S: Jairus Byrd, Bryan Scott, John Wendling, George Wilson, Donte Whitner
Analysis: I love Wendling because of his ST prowess but like I said before, it's nice to see a few players go that serve no purpose on offense or defense. Wilson is a wild card player for me. He's a ST Captain and plays OK on defense but I think the Bills could upgrade the back-ups with either a FA signing or a draft pick.
ST: Rian Lindell, Brian Moorman, Garrison Sanborn
Analysis: I have no faith in Lindell. I have never been more scared when a player steps onto the field then when he does. He is signed through the next few seasons but I would not be heart broken at all if someone is brought in to compete for his spot.
There it is folks. My purging of the roster according to contract statuses and a one trade of Parrish. If I was a part of the Bills FO I would resign T.O. cut Kelsay and Lindell but lucky for those players I'm not. Read, digest and react please :-)
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What happened to John Digiorgio (sp?)
I know he was on IR before the season started last year, but is he completely gone now? I also think you are being a bit harsh to George Wilson, he actually turned into a decent run stopper after Scott went to play linebacker. I wouldn’t mind keeping him around as a backup, as we could certainly do a lot worse at number three on our depth chart.
Personally, I would keep Jamon Meredith over Jonathon Scott too as a OT, but neither are really good, though I think Meredith has more potential.
Digiorgio was released after his pre-season injury last year.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 25, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
thanks, i was wondering because he had been a reliable backup for the last couple of years, and he vanished off the face of the planet last year with the injury.
My gues is that he’ll be out of the league altogether. Players like DiGi are a dime a dozen in the NFL
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 26, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
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Hell if this team needs a drastic rebuild which I believe it does then it would not bother me to see Poz, Kawiki, Woods,and an aging Stroud gone as well .Why waste time and money on players who cannot last a whole season.I did not mention Edwards as this is an obvious. Agree TO would be fun to have back if QB and O line improve.
i think you cut a little deeply. i’m surprised to see some names on this list.
schouman will stay, unless something particularly interesting happens. he’s solid – why dump him when there really aren’t that many alternatives out there for as cheap as he is?
i’d be sad to see meredith or ramsey go. they’re both PS eligible, right? so stick them there. they might not be NFL quality yet, but both did surprisingly well in their NFL time considering where they should be at this point. just because they weren’t great doesn’t mean you cut them off. i’d be surprised to see them go when chambers is still on the roster.
i doubt they’ll drop simmons in the offseason unless it’s because he actually doesn’t make the team. he’s got experience, and he was surprisingly good as well in his first playing days since his injury.
we could do much, MUCH worse than ellison. or didn’t you notice his stat line last year? he was one of our better defenders earlier in the year, until he started playing injured. everyone at this blog hates him, but it’s obvious you don’t actually watch the games and just spout the party line instead. should he be starting? probably not. has he performed well above where you’d think he would be? definitely. he’ll be here. i’d be surprised if ashlee palmer isn’t on the PS next year, too.
youboty’s gone. harris and lankster will stay, though, since they’re cheap. also, since they’re recent draft picks, we won’t drop them any time soon.
depending on scheme, i would be fairly surprised to see wendling leave next year. there’s gotta be a little continuity between years, and wendling represents one of the better ST guys in the conference. as for wilson, didn’t you notice that he was over a hundred tackles, with four picks? you don’t cut that.
last i checked, lindell is one of the more accurate kickers in the league. ignore his 50+ stuff – when you cut it down to 40 and under, he’s one of the best. solid farther, too. dunno if you’ve noticed, but the position of kicker has been in steady decline recently. or didn’t you watch the playoffs this year?
as a whole, it seems you’re just going by the blog party line here. there’s a lot that you’re just ignoring, it seems. you’ve gotta remember that the bills have serious issues to address at QB, DL in general, LB, and T. they’re NOT going to just chop off limbs that function well enough to provide solid backup to an injury-plagued team.
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Even though I live in Pittsburgh I do watch almost every game and attend 1 a year; so yes…I have reasons to make these moves thank you very much.
Schouman – He’s still a very big question mark for me because he is constantly injured and is rare to make plays when he is in the game. It seems like every time I saw him on the field he had to limp off.
Ellison – I don’t care if you 100+ tackles every year. He is consistently blown off the ball and out of the play nor does he ever make “plays” such as sacks, INT’s, FF’s. He’s way to small to be playing on a consistent basis in this league.
Lankster – I stated above that I wouldn’t be suprised if he was brought back.
Wendling – He provides good special team depths but we need players that can compete at their respective position and he has not done that for the Bills yet.
Wilson – He is a good player. I wouldn’t have a problem with him staying on the team but maybe the new coaches try C. Harris as a FS option since he was regarded as a ball hawk at USC.
Lindell – No one will ever change my opinion on him. I’ve watched the playoffs and have seen the struggles that K’s have had. It seems to me that every time he missed a kick the Bills lose by 3 or less. I’m sorry but I don’t want a K on my team who goes from 88% – 78% – 84% from 07-09. Too inconsistent for my liking.
Schouman played 16 games last year. Does “always injured” equate to “had one catastrophic knee injury”?
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 26, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Meredith and Ramsey both have PS eligibility, yes. I’d like to see Ramsey stay on as the 4th tackle next year and the 5 3rd or whatever guy on the roster.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 26, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Good read.
QB is too difficult at this time to discuss. Lots of options from a FA standpoint and draft standpoint.
Josh Reed is unlikely to survive the new regime moves.
Too many other needs for them to cut both Schoman and Stupar. I think Schoman has potential also.
My feeling is Butler moves back to guard and provides depth or possibly earns a starting spot. I don’t think he will be a tackle after this injury. I hope Chambers is not on the roster. I also think Meredith makes it over Scott.
Schobel is more than likely gone. Ellis has too much potential to be cut. Again a matter of having a limited ability to add players to the roster.
I don’t know what you saw in Draft that would make you want to keep him over Ellison, Buggs or Palmer.
Harris will be a cheap 2nd year CB. I think he showed promise to stay on the roster. You will need 5 CBs. We have don’t need to do any CB shopping. Keep 5 of the 6 above.
Also re-sign Wilson if possible…he is a veteran presence in the lockroom. He seems to have players respect which will be needed this year and will do anything asked.
My thoughts
not sure about ellis, honestly. i just wish he’d gotten bigger in his first offseason – as in, big enough to at least be a decent run defender. he’s just so darn SMALL, both in the way he plays and his physical stature.
draft…i don’t know. he’s a decent defender, but he’s so easily caught out of position on plays he needs to make. is buggs better at MLB than draft is at OLB? not sure. don’t forget that draft has literally no upside at this point in his career, too.
scott’ll stay, as a swing and backup. i really think that this team is going to go heavy on OL next year, to cover the injury issues.
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Ellis has too much potential to be cut.
He does? Man the only reason he was on the roster this year was because of an awfully good preseason. He looked worse than average in camp.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 26, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Quote from Perry.
Head coach Perry Fewell said of Lankster, “we think he’s gotten better every week for us.”
He finished the 2009 season with five tackles after being forced into nickel duty due to injuries.
I think he has potential, I wouldn’t diss im like you MRW.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 27, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
Chris Ellis
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Chris Ellis
If he has potential why haven’t we seen anything other than a gym-class-hero routine in last year’s preseason? He’s done nothing in live games. What are you basing his big potential on?
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 27, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Have you seen the kickers on other football teams lately?
Lindell is probably a top 10 kicker in ability, consistency and regularily (probably around 75% of the time) coming through in the clutch.
Sure all of us always get worried when Lindell goes up to kick, but thats just because he’s a kicker in general, and you can never be sure. But we’re really lucky to have Lindell because he actually is, in truth, a damn good kicker. So be thankful.
Wow
Not sure I like getting rid of Shouman who is arguably our best TE – certainly our 2nd best and can play H back if we swithch schemes. Also dont like ditching lankster and harris at CB – surely one of those rookies should come back so we dont blow another pick there.
George Wilson – wow a lot of people want him to strt over whitner and you want him gone – I know these are always opinion pieces, but I’d just like to ask why you think George has no place in our secondary at all ?
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
After further consideration...
I have decided to change my S selections. I honestly don’t think all of them will be back next year. I feel the new DC will try and upgrade the back-up situation and I think I would rather see Scott go instead of Wilson.
Wilson is obviously one of the Captains and is a good FS I think. Scott plays the run hard but not so much in coverage compared to Wilson.
I don’t see Wilson starting over either Whitner or Byrd though.
Purge?! Dharma Initiative?! Frozen donkey wheel?! Negatively charged exotic matter?! Cerberus vent?! Taweret?! Benjamin Linus!
Sorry. Lost premieres in a week. I’m distracted.
As for your post, a few questions.
- Are you saying Josh Reed will be re-signed?
- Why are you cutting Ellison, aside from your obvious feelings toward him, which are strange? Smart depth players aren’t exactly a dime a dozen.
- I would not let go of Bryan Scott. Heady vet who can help you out in a lot of ways.
Otherwise, I have no major issues, and the rest is pretty much exactly what I’d do, too.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions
Reed – yes I would resign him for at least 1 more year. He has the smarts to move the chains, consistent hands and is a very good blocker for a WR.
Ellison – his salary isn’t much so the cap hit wouldn’t be a problem. Depending on what type of scheme we run he’s just too small to factor into anything besides a ST player in my eyes. I’ve stated it a few times in the post that it will be nice to not keep a player on the roster primarily for them to play ST.
Scott – I was torn between releasing him or Wilson and I eventually went with Scott. Yes he is a good veteran player I just feel that the new regime will be looking for playmakes and Scott is just consistent. He never makes that WOW play like Whitner, Byrd and Wilson have.
Ellison’d probably end up being the coverage OLB in the 3-4 scheme.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 27, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Only one week to go.
Purge?! Dharma Initiative?! Frozen donkey wheel?! Negatively charged exotic matter?! Cerberus vent?! Taweret?! Benjamin Linus!
Sorry. Lost premieres in a week. I’m distracted.
Til the season premier :)
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 27, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
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