My Bills Plan (The McNabb Plan)
by Berg79 on Jan 25, 2010 9:27 PM EST
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It has been a long time since I have written a Fan Post but I need the therapy right now. Here are my thoughts even though I am not sure I want this to happen.
The Bills owner and fans are in a win-now mode after the last 10 years, which is completely understandable. I have never seen such little support for the Bills in the last 20+ years. The way to fix the Bills must start with the QB and that is why I think the Bills will make a trade with the Eagles for McNabb. They will give up their 2nd round draft pick and Edwards (I am going on the assumption this is a fair price). I think this trade is possible for numerous reasons. The Bills are desperate for a proven signal caller. The Eagles might want to start over on offense by getting rid of both Westbrook and McNabb and are going young with Kolb and McCoy so he can build with their young receiving core (Jackson/Maclin and Celek). This will save the Eagles money and allow them to go make a big free agent splash. McNabb will bring an new found excitement to the Bills. Gailey also likes somewhat mobile QBs. Even though McNabb is older and has slowed down he is still mobile in the pocket although not a "scrambler" anymore. McNabb's Syracuse connections will help from a marketing perspective with the fans (Another smart "Marketing" move by Brandon) This will give Gailey the proven signal caller he desires and since he believes he is a "teacher" he will have a year or two to work with Brohm.
The Draft: I do not believe Clausen nor Bradford will be available for the Bills which is why I think the above move happens. I believe the Rams will draft Clausen, and Bradford will go to the Skins. Since both of these guys will be gone I do not feel anyone in the draft has any MORE potential than Brohm. Don't forget at one point Brohm was considered a top 10 pick. There is no reason to believe the Bills will hit on a 2nd round future franchise QB so the Bills will let Brohm learn under McNabb as the young prodigee. Fitz will stay on for security.
Ultimately, the McNabb move will directly lead to 2 things. #1 The Bills will spend their #1 pick on the best offensive tackle available. This actually pains me to write as I believe McClain is the next Patrick Willis and want the Bills to take McClain regardless. But they go with the best tackle available. #2. With a veteran signal caller the Bills convince Schobel to return for one more year in which case the Bills stick with a 4-3 defense and maybe use Maybin as a standup rusher in a 3-4 to mix things up on occassion.
This leads to a fundamental roster something like this
QB: McNabb, Brohm, Fitz
RB: Lynch, Jackson
TE: Schoman, Nelson, FIne
WR: Evans, Hardy, Steve Johnson and some mid-level FA and a late draft pick
OL: Wood, Levitre, Hangartner, Butler, Incognito, Bell, Meredith, Scott (maybe) 1st round pick
DL: Schobel, Kelsay, Maybin, Ellis, Williams, Stroud, Johnson, and either cheap FA, the PS guy who weights 350+ (forgot his name) or mid round Draft pick (3-5)
LB: Mitchell, Ellison, Poz, Harris, Draft, Plamer and mid level FA or Draft pick (Angerer from Iowa in the 3rd or 4th?)
CB: McKelvin, Florence, McGee, Corner, Harris, Langster
S: Whitner, Byrd, Wilson, Scott
Obviously, this is not perfect but the D was decent at times last year when healthy...They played good against the Pats, TB, great against the Saints, good against Clev before the injuries started to mount. Guys like Maybin, Williams, Poz, Ellison, Harris, Palmer and most of your secondary are at an age where they should be better with another year under their belt. Clearly the offense benefits from McNabb and the 1st round tackle. This builds hope for 2010.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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I would completely support a plan to get McNabb in Buffalo, but Reid has made it pretty clear that he’s going nowhere. Edwards and a 2nd probably wouldn’t be enough, no matter how much Philly fans hate him.
I call it... The Avaslug!
Blown two goal leads... empty arena... David Koci's 1 minute of ice time...
The Avalanche Experience.
You might be right that a 2nd wont do it, but McNabb will turn 34 this upcoming season. He most likely has 3 years left tops. A reasonable deal can be done.
I think the Eagles are merely stating things in the press because they have to support their guy who has been the face of the franchise for the last decade. Even Dallas supported Owens before he was cut. Ultimately, I think the Eagles want to go young with Kolb and let the young core of skilled players build together. Basically, I think the Eagles want to move on even though they wont say that publically.
Unfortunately...
McNabb would bring instant legitimacy to the Bills offense, but you might as well have called it “The Peyton Manning” plan because thats about as much chance there is of it happening. McNabb is probably going nowhere and if he does there are many more attractive destinations for him. I’m sure at this stage of his career he’s not interested in joining a rebuilding effort.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 25, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
What about McNabb himself
I have heard this before. Personally I love it as I was a fan of McNabb for the Orange and I have followed his Pro career. Problem I see is that while I keep hearing of ways of getting McNabb I wonder why would he want to play for the Bills. I know he went to school in upstate NY and that no other fanbase would love him more but the guy is 35 and he keeps knocking on that Championship door. McNabb is not ready to become a door holder while other players can “grow”. He wants to win now. If he was 29-32 yrs old maybe he would do it for the positives I mentioned above. At this stage, I don’t see it. I hope I am wrong, but I simply can’t see it happening.
Go Bills!!!
I am not a huge McNabb fan
I do think he is a great QB but he is definitely a system QB, more specifically a West Coast QB. I really do not think that he would be able to adapt to anything else, which is why I am not so keen on the move.
I’d like to challenge you on the idea that Claussen or Bradford won’t fall to us because I think they will. I have said all along since the past 2 months that the Rams will go with a DT. I think people forget about the Spag factor. He is a D-Line – pressure guy and there’s no way in hell that he would pass on Suh, no way. So then maybe Washington – ok. What I think would happen is if the skins take Bradford, then Seattle takes Claussen a guy that Pete Carroll wanted at USC. If the Skins go for Claussen, then I think Seattle will go in a different direction. As for Cleveland, I would definitely see them in the McNabb sweepstakes, a perfect Westcoast guy to tutor a young QB.
My thoughts on #9 is that we should trade down a few spots and take Bulaga and maybe get a chance to swing a deal for Mike Iupati an absolute beast of a guard, this kid is so much fun to watch, although I expect him to blow people away at the combine and then go in the top 20 (unfortunately). I think Bulaga can drop to the mid teens, if he’s gone then take Iupati. Bring in Pennington to tutor Brohm and take a QB in the second or third(Tebow or Lefevour)
Oh, and I almost forgot…
The Bills owner and fans are in a win-now mode after the last 10 yearsLOL – Is that why Wilson went out and made a super big splash and hired two guys from the un-employment line to be our GM & HC?
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
Definitely want McNabb
He is on the slide, but still is better than anything we’ve had in 12 years min. So, I think it could certainly happen, just as plausible as positive.
I hate to say this, because I know everyone hates it, and while Im not %100 for it, you could replace McNabb’s name with Vick, and the scenario still can work, allbeit, not nearly as smoothly as it might for McNabb. Uf negotiations breakdown in trying for McNabb, a trade for Vick is possible. Remember, this was possibly a big reason why the Eagles took Vick in the first place… now they have a QB worth trade bait, in all hree of their QBs, as Kolb himself showed in a few games that he is a capable starter, something like Matt Schaub was for Atlanta in reserve time.
Im just saying, I agree that we will be looking to trade for a vet QB and the Eagles are my first thought, because of the trade last year for Peters. So there is a platform there, and Nix was part of the bills staff then, so Im sure this is something that won’t need to start from scratch.
Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!
A lot are real quick to talk about trading Lynch for a late round pick, but what about Lynch for McNabb? They need a power back, we need a QB?
If no Clausen or Bradford
I agree with you and I haven’t really heard that point brought up too much that Brohm has just as much potential if not more than any QB we would draft after Clausen/Bradford. Why draft Pike in 2nd when we can address LB or DT? I still think we should take a QB or two somewhere in the draft cuz you never know where you might find some stud (romo, brady, cassel – okay that’s a stretch, etc.) who comes out of nowhere.
I know this isn’t gonna happen but I wish we would not have a daily report on Tim Tebow but rather a cumulative report when senior bowl/combine/pro day/etc. are done with. Then we can take sides. And even though I think the world of him as a man and human being (he’s genuine people) if he can’t make the throws then he can’t be our QB.
I am not a fan of late round QB’s as they are rarely elite. Brees was a 2nd, Brady was a 6th, and Romo was undrafted. But it took Brees and Romo numerous years to get it together. The talent evaluators need to really study Brohm. If he doesn’t have it then cut him now, and draft a youngster. But it has to be one or the other. Brohm and Fitz represent a very good backup and 3rd string combo. Veteran and young guy with potential is what you want out of that spot.
thats what my fanpost is all about.
i wrote it to deter people from filling other threads about tebow. it just got recd enough to stick around awhile (at least through the senior bowl). i would encourage anyone and everyone having something to say about tebow, to do it there….
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Jan 25, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
A few thoughts....
The Bills owner and fans are in a win-now mode
I entirely disagree. Dick Jauron was in Win-Now-Mode. Chan Gailey on the other hand is trying to build a winning team. That does NOT happen over night. This is a long term project and we are not going to see any true benefits for 2 or 3 seasons. I fully expect theBills to be a 6-10 team (or worst) next year. It’s pat of properly re-building a team.
As for McNabb, I would LOVE to get him for what you say ( a second and Edwards) but the Eagles aren’t that dumb. McNabb is worth 2 draft pick, minimum (think what we got for Peters last year). And while I thin that McNabb would be a FANTSTIC addition to our offense, I don’t think that Chan would support the move. If you look at Gailey’s history he has always worked with what he had and then drafted to get an upgrade. That leads me to believe that either Fitzy or Brohm is our starter next year and that Chan/Nix will use the draft picks to make this team better in the long run (as they should).
I would love to have McNabb as a Bill (as I have braught up the idea on more than one occasion) but I just don’ see it happening any time soon. I truly believe that the only way that the Bills have any chance of getting McNabb is if the Eagles are dumb enough to release him and that we sign him threw free agenc (neither of which will happen).
Its a nice pipe dream, but I just don’t see it happening.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 26, 2010 3:32 AM EST reply actions
I don’t believe Wilson is thinking build for the future. Chan Gailey is going to have to figure a way to build while showing having playoff hope in 2010. I don’t personally believe its possible and agree 6-10 or worse is likely.
Look the McNabb thing is not so far fetched. Is it that different from the Bledsoe thing? Lots of similarities. First, I don’t care what the Eagles say publically. I believe if they could get a fair price for McNabb they would get rid of him . It is my guess that inside Eagles F.O. there is a lot of people who want to change direction and go with Kolb. The belief is that McNabb took them as far as he could. In terms of what we would need to offer. Well, it might be a 2nd this year and next. But Jason Peters went for the 28th pick and change…Peters was still young and most thought his best years were ahead of him. If we offer a 2nd (41st overall) a cheap QB with over 25 starts in Edwards and maybe a 3rd in 2011 or something like that I think it could get done. $$ is also a factor as McNabb has a large contract.
Other teams: How many other teams are really in the running for McNabb: Clev, Oak, Denv, Carolina, SF, St. L, Sea. Other than Carolina and maybe denver none of those teams are in a much better spot than Buffalo to be elite. I am sure McNabb has found memories of Syracuse too. No one thought TO would come here either.
I am by no means saying this is a done dealbut it’s a distinct possibility. Gailey was not a decision maker so of course he worked with what he had. My guess is he would welcome McNabb happily and spend a great deal of time tutoring Brohm.
The perfect recipe...
for an 8-8 season – I don’t think McNabb is the answer. This is like putting a band-aid on a broken leg and doesn’t address the need for a future franchise QB. The Bills should do whatever it takes to get their hands on Clausen in the 1st round and strengthen the O-line/LB core in the following rounds. That would show that the organization is actually committed to rebuilding the franchise.
Would love it... but 0.001% chance of happening.
The Eagles aren’t looking to move McNabb. They would demand more than the Bills can or should offer.
And it’s entirely different than the Bledsoe move because Bledsoe was coming in to an offense that was then considered “on the cusp.” This offense we got here is on the cusp of something else.
in a salary cap era, no single unit (offense or defense) should be consistently sub-average for such a long stretch.
.0001% huh. I believe McNabb will be traded. I believe the Bills will be a front runner. Rumors are out there (that came out after I made my original post) that the Bills met with the Eagles to discuss a trade.
Where are these said rumors?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Oh....message board rumors...
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
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