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State of the Bills Roster: Offensive Tackle

Over the past several days, we've embarked on the long process of breaking down the Buffalo Bills' roster position-by-position. With our breakdown of the offensive skill positions out of the way, we'll start talking about the Bills' beleaguered and overwhelmed offensive line as our State of the Bills Roster series trucks on.

There are two offensive tackles on the field for your run-of-the-mill offensive play in the NFL. Buffalo played seven different players at their tackle positions last season, including left guard Andy Levitre. Of those seven players, four saw playing time at both left and right tackle. This position lacks top-level talent and significant depth, and aside from quarterback is quite easily the Bills' most pressing need offensively. Should be a fun review, eh?

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What the new regime might be looking for
I think I know this one! The word "talent" comes to mind. That's not to say that the Bills' current tackles don't have talent; on the contrary, they're quite talented. In most cases, however, the majority of that talent remains untapped. Unfortunately, nearly every player currently on the roster has proven to be rather injury-prone, as well, which brings into harsher light how desperate the Bills are for talent, as well as depth, at this position.

I'm not sure how much this position will change from a personnel standpoint, but if it goes unaddressed, the Bills are in heaps of trouble heading into the 2010 season - even if they stumble onto a competent quarterback.

Current personnel
Right now, the Bills employ eight offensive tackles. We'll leave it up to you decide how many of these players are NFL-caliber.

Brad Butler. He missed the majority of his rookie season with injury; though he made it through the '07 season unscathed as the starting right guard and only missed three games in '08, Butler suffered another setback this past season after his move to right tackle. Butler appeared in just two games before a knee injury ended his season. The "injury-prone" label will stick, and no one's really sure if he should be playing right tackle in the first place (it was his position in college). Sadly, he is probably Buffalo's best tackle, and given his contract length and moderate salary, he should be in Buffalo for the foreseeable future. His role is really what's up in the air.
  Contract status: 3 years remaining. Owed $4.65M in base salaries.

Demetrius Bell. Bell "earned" the starting left tackle job last season after the release of Langston Walker, and he spent the season battling injury before ending the year on IR. Blessed with solid athleticism and that dreaded 'p-word' - potential - Bell can hardly be considered a reliable starting option heading into 2010. Given the dearth of talent at the position, it'd be asinine to jettison Bell, because a good coach could still mold him into a quality player. But in no way should he be considered anything more than project depth at this point.
  Contract status: 2 years remaining. Owed $1.025M in base salaries.

Jonathan Scott. Scott, who started at both right and left tackles while dealing with his own injuries (mostly ankle injuries), is the only free agent on this list. He was one of the last players onto the roster a year ago, and while he was highly touted coming out of college, he hasn't reached a playing level that his talent says he should be at. He might be back; he might not. I doubt Bills fans will care either way.
  Contract status: Restricted Free Agent

Kirk Chambers. Valued by the previous coaching staff for his versatility, Chambers is good enough to acquit you in a pinch, but that's all he'll ever be - versatile depth. I anticipate that he'll stick around in that capacity, because steady veterans aren't a dime a dozen in this league.
  Contract status: 2 years remaining. Owed $1.45M in base salaries.

Jamon Meredith. Should we call this guy "Bell Lite"? Meredith was signed off of Green Bay's practice squad after Butler's injury, and saw way more playing time than he deserved. He does have talent - he's quite the physical specimen, in fact - but his temperament and physicality are both lacking. Again, he's a project that may or may not strike the fancy of Buffalo's new coaching staff.
  Contract status: Undisclosed. Not listed as a free agent by BuffaloBills.com.

Andre Ramsey. Yeah - this guy saw snaps at left tackle, too. I'm just glad Brian Brohm is still alive. Ramsey is a fringe prospect who kicked around the practice squad for a while. Given the need for talent here, I don't see how Ramsey sticks on the depth chart.
  Contract status: Undisclosed. Not listed as a free agent by BuffaloBills.com.

Nick Hennessey. Not much to see here. Was routinely passed over for outside talent despite the injuries last year, and is highly unlikely to return to the roster.
  Contract status: Undisclosed. Not listed as a free agent by BuffaloBills.com.

Jason Watkins. This is a project player that might stick around. Buffalo signed him to a contract earlier this month, and he'll probably be around for training camp. Beyond that, again, who cares?
  Contract status: Signed reserve/future contract on 1/5/10.

Who stays? Who goes?
Butler will stay. He's got a cheap contract and can swing in to guard. Bell will probably stay, too, as a developmental tackle; it should be noted that that doesn't guarantee him a roster spot in the least. Chambers stands a good shot at sticking on the roster, but the rest - Meredith on down the list - are very firmly in 'long shot' territory.

If I were a betting man (and no, I'm not)...
Given the fact that the Bills have needs pretty much everywhere, Butler might be given a shot to re-claim his starting right tackle spot with a mid-range veteran free agent or a rookie. Left tackle is a critical need, and I anticipate the Bills will scout top-end tackle talent very thoroughly leading up to the draft. Bell and Chambers are top front-runners as depth options, unless the Bills address this position heavily. The rest? Good luck finding work elsewhere.

Names to keep an eye on
This year's crop of offensive tackles is not of the quality at the top of the class as previous classes, but there are good players here. Anthony Davis and Russell Okung will top draft boards, and the Bills could certainly do worse than either at pick No. 9 in the first round. Bryan Bulaga and Bruce Campbell are options to keep an eye on as well, with Bulaga's stock rising quickly. If the Bills take a different position at the top of the draft, keep an eye on names like Charles Brown and Selvish Capers as second-round prospects worth exploring, though neither is considered an instant starter. Capers' draft stock is currently plummeting after a rough week at the Senior Bowl.

There isn't much available in terms of free agency; most of the top names are restricted free agents, and would require draft pick compensation to acquire in nearly every case. Don't expect any flashy names to be added via free agency at this position.

Previous installments of the State of the Bills Roster series: QB, RB, WR, TE.

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Bulaga seems like a player that you don’t think about being taken in the first half of round 1, but eventually he ends up being selected there.

I don’t think the Bills would take him at #9, but it wouldn’t shock me.

by Pistol on Jan 28, 2010 9:38 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Bulaga....

Bulaga is actually my favorite OT in the draft this year. Yes, even over Okung. I believe this kid can come in and start day 1 at left tackle.

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by Hambone on Jan 28, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Bulaga is up there for me too

He’s a great run blocker and that’s something I think Gailey will really be looking for….

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by Kurupt on Jan 28, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Concur...

Bulaga also struck out Ga. Tech’s Derrick Morgan (12.5 sacks) in their bowl game. I’m pretty sure Gailey and the new coaches that were just hired at least saw that game, if they weren’t actually on the sidelines for it.

by Brian in Shortsville on Jan 28, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Who is Andre Ramsey?

Did I totally miss him being around last year?

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by Dyl on Jan 28, 2010 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

haha, same thought here.

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by bflo on Jan 28, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Door

All i remember about him is letting a guy walk right by him to sack Brohm

by billsfan26 on Jan 28, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Penalty

All that stands out to me is a crucial penalty right near the goal line that I’m pretty sure negated a Fred Jackson rushing TD.

by IthacaBillsFan on Jan 28, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Andre Ramsey aka Door Penalty...

Sounds about right lol

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by bflo on Jan 28, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

My only real memory of Andre Ramsey was against New England where Buffalo drove down close to the goal line Ramsey, who was brought in as a TE/6th OL, took a false start penalty. Maybe cost Buffalo 4 points.

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by kaisertown on Jan 28, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

ooo I dont remember that. Good call.

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by bflo on Jan 28, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s the play that IthacaBillsFan mentioned above. That was absolutely killer.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 28, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

you didn’t miss much.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Jan 28, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

This is my first post, so forgive me if this is a novice thought but I find it hard to believe there is anything more important for OBD to focus on than the o-line? Shouldn’t this be proirity number 1?

by Kelly to Reed Touchdown!! on Jan 28, 2010 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

YES - unless...

Bradford or Claussen drop to us.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Jan 28, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, you’re thinking draft priority. Overall priority should always start with QB.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 28, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Then LT behind that as a closish 2nd.

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by Will G on Jan 28, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re thinking rationally. Buffalo’s lines should have been the focal point of OBD for quite some time now.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 28, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Eric Wood, Andy Levitre, and Aaron Maybin? John McCargo , Kyle Williams, Marcus Stroud? Geoff Hangartner? Have they been ignoring it or just missing?

by MattRichWarren on Jan 28, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

With last seasons honchos, I think both...

Passed up on Oher for Maybin (not trying to dog Maybin, just really wanted Oher). Could have been a big difference in our season.

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by UtahBillsFan on Jan 28, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i have a question

Do Gailey’s offensive lines usually employ zone-blocking? I ask the question because I read how productive his running games were at GT and if they were like Denver and employed primarily smaller linemen and used zone-blocking primarilly, it would change how we view the potential draft prospects, would it not?

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Jan 28, 2010 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

Good question and i would say that yes it would change the way we view certain O-line prospects. I have no idea what the answer is though………

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by sireric on Jan 28, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it changes the mental aspect for olineman – if there’s a guy in your zone, you block him. there’s no picking and choosing and coordinating with the other guys, etc. Physically, you want more athletic and quick guys, instead of big bruisers. Im not sure that helps the health of your qb on passing downs, though.

Ron from NM might be the best person to answer this question.

by quantumuprising on Jan 28, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

At this point I’d be happy if the offensive linemen could each consistently beat their assigned defender. Buddy Nix’s disdain for small defenses could spill over to the offensive line, which would argue in favor of a super-sized line bull dozing ahead about 12 feet.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 28, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

im okay with that. i was never happier than in the first couple games of the season when we actually had offensive lineman – gasp – downfield blocking for runners!!

by quantumuprising on Jan 28, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

based on size

we have some bruisers with Meredith being the “smallest” at 6’5" – 304. In the case of our OTs – apparently size doesn’t matter! Instead of being bruisers, they were regularly bruised in ‘09. So, either conditioning, technique or talent (or any combination) was the key. A new coach, new conditioning program should answer that question.
Regardless, we need to draft an OT with 1st or 2nd pick. Brian mentions several who will still be there if we go 2nd round. I think which way we go depends on Claussen. If he falls to 9, you gotta take him. If not, Davis should be there. At 6’6" 322, he fits the mold. Plus, I think we can get another “road grader” later on. Ulatoski (6’7"), Fox (6’7"), and Young (6’7") are just outside the top 100 BPA. So, I think who stays/goes will depend on the draft.

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by fansince60 on Jan 28, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I think which way we go depends on Claussen. If he falls to 9, you gotta take him.

If he’s on the board at 9 I hope Buffalo trades back for a king’s ransom in picks.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 28, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not big on Claussen

your plan works fine for me as long as they have a plan and know who they want later for QB AND KNOW he’ll be there when they get there.
From a BPA standpoint, if no rational trade materializes, you gotta take him.

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by fansince60 on Jan 28, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think i would be cool with that as well but it would be highly unlikely. The teams that follow us are: JAX, DEN, MIA, SF, SEA, GIANTS, TEN all of which are not really looking for a QB. I think there might be a market for Dez Bryant so maybe we could slide a few spots down and still get Claussen. Or maybe the Rams take Suh and then trade back to get Claussen (this would require a kings ransom but we’d lose our 1st rounder so thats no good)

I personally really like Claussen and I think he’s a franchise QB. So if he’s there at #9, my choice would be to take him.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Jan 28, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Like 2006

When Leinart and Cutler were on the Board and we traded back for a kings ransom – oh wait, Donte Whitner is a Kings Ransom right ?? The proble Ron is that you actually make sense, so it will never happen.

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by Will G on Jan 28, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

problem even

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by Will G on Jan 28, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed! I’m also very tempted to say the same thing about Dez Bryant. Especuially if McClain is gone before our pick. I’m positive that we could get a bunch of picks for either Claussen, Bradford or Bryant if any of them fall to us.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 28, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

If Claussen or Bradford falls to us and we pass… I sell my season tickets and change teams!
C’mon, as a fan it’s been pathetic to watch and if they let either of those two guys slip away I’ll be so upset that I truly think I’d cancel my season tickets, that would definitely push me over the top.

Look at it this way, I am hoping that Gailey & Nix can turn things around so that means that we should in theory finish with a better record, which in turn puts us much deeper in the draft in future years. Franchise QB’s are found primarily in the top 10 with very few exceptions, so if we have a chance at one and choose not to take him – then we are just ….

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Jan 29, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Your right, I retract my previous statement… well the part about passing on Claussen or Bradford anyways. But if Claussen, Bradford and McClain are gone, then I say we hold a bidding war for Dez Bryant.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 29, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

100%

however I am not sold on McClain. I like him a lot but I also like Spikes a lot, who should slide into Rd2 and I am not certain McClain is worth so much more than Spikes. I also really like Hughes.

I didn’t get to see many Alabama games but the few that I did see McClain looked OK but certainly not close to Willis like many are suggesting. I watches almost as much gator games and Spikes was almost as impressive.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Jan 29, 2010 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

As soon as i read the headline my first reaction was ...

An upgrade is essential. we don’t want to bring in a new quarterback and then Carr/Trent them to death.

by XtrmeCarnage82 on Jan 28, 2010 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

I think...

they are going to keep some major depth in this position. Why not? Atleast they will be practicing with the team and they won’t have to grab people that have been sitting on the couch or from practice squads when injuries happen. Keep Chambers, Scott, and Bell for Depth. Throw Merideth and Ramsey back on the Practice Squad. I guarantee you…Butler will get hurt AGAIN.

by Jaynice on Jan 28, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Neither Merideth or Ramsey ar PS available, they have played in too many games.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 28, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Meredith only played in 8 games. He has PS ability. Ramsey has only played in 2 games.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 28, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought that 4 games was the limit.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 28, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh well in that case, by all means, give them camp invites and see if either can make the roster. I actually see Merideth making the main roster. Ramsey can go to the PS if the new coaching staff likes him.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 28, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian...

Butler has played G in the past, right? And if so, in your opinion, do you think hes better suited for G or RT?

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by bflo on Jan 28, 2010 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

I’ve always thought he was a natural tackle. That’s what he played in college, that’s what his skill set and body type are best suited for. At least in my opinion.

He was OK at guard. But there aren’t many guards of his build, and there’s a reason for that.

I’d only consider moving him back to guard in a pinch. I’m a big proponent of playing players where they’re at their best, as opposed to where they’re needed, which has been pretty much Butler’s career to this point. I think Butler is a tackle, and expect him to stay there.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 28, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats what I was wondering...

What he played in college. I was thinking it was the other way around and he played guard in school. But yeah that makes sense to keep him at RT unless needed at guard.

I guess its kind of hard to say what im expecting the line to look like without knowing about Woods future. Im expecting he’ll be back. And I know there are alot of “doctors” on the boards (mostly BBMB) that seem to think hes done. I doubt that.

But regarding OT for the Bills. Hopefully Butler can stay healthy (crosses fingers) and then have Bell & Meredith as backups and hopefully can push eachother to become better. Im still hoping one of the top OT’s fall to us in the draft. I feel like thats the correct move for OBD. It might not be the most popular, but probably the smartest. This franchise needs a line just as much as we need a QB and a playoff birth, but those two arent happening without a line.

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by bflo on Jan 28, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope, he was the right tackle at Virginia. D’Brickashaw Ferguson was his bookend on the left side.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 28, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

No kidding?

I never put together that they played at the same time. Never knew that. Cool thanks

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by bflo on Jan 28, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Lucky

And he was lucky to be drafted after the cheap shot he put on Kiwanuka

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by Will G on Jan 28, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Sadly, Butler has been better suited for the training room than the field. When he played guard (and wasn’t hurt) he was Buffalo’s best lineman. His problem is that he has missed essentially two full seasons and parts of two others.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 28, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That was going to be my exact response Ron. I like Butler but it kills the team when you have a guy of his talent that can’t stay in the lineup.

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by Hambone on Jan 28, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

it kills the team when you have a guy of his talent that can’t stay in the lineup.

exactly.
I want to… but I just cant trust that he’ll be there for a full year.

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by bflo on Jan 28, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

He started 29 of 32 games since becoming a starter

prior to the unlucky knee injury.

He didn’t play much his rookie year because of that shoulder injury, but wasn’t expected to have a big role anyhow.

I think his missing games is blown out of proportion. Since becoming a starter in Buffalo, he was routinely in the lineup before getting rolled up on.

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by Kurupt on Jan 28, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He was also routinely leaving games for after starting them. I’d be more interested in how many games he’s finished and/or played all the way through than the number he’s started. For example, in the Dallas MNF game—if I remember correctly—he went down in the second quarter and the run game suffered.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 28, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Memory

From memory they knew abotu the shoulder when they drafted him in the 5th. That was why that marquee stud Terrence Pennington got so much time as a rookie :(

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by Will G on Jan 28, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

We're going to draft Charles Brown - you can bank on it.

Having a player named Charlie Brown is marketing gold for Brandon.

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Yellow shirts with a squigly line sales would sky rocket in WNY.

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by bflo on Jan 28, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know who Charles Brown is, but all of the sudden, I want his jersey!(JK)anyway, considering the article, it seems easier to get a free agent QB than OT.(Troy Smith?)

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jan 28, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

Troy Smith is an RFA, and might only be available via trade.

It won’t be “easy” to get any free agents because of the rule changes with the CBA gone.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 28, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Touche my good man

was just thinking if a fifth rounder would work…why not?

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jan 28, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

If the Ravens tender him at the low offer the fifth rounder is all it would take.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 28, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Doubtful he gets a high tender

Doubt they sepnd over 1 mill to tender him for 2nd round or more. He’s their 3rd sting isnt he ? If he was their backup then they might tender him at the 2nd rounder level – if they had the cap. but considering they are looking to cut McGahee they might be tight on cap space ?

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by Will G on Jan 28, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

There isn’t a cap anymore. Not unless there’s a miracle.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 28, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Brown is a tackle @ USC

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 28, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Pac-10 guy with another Pac-10 comment. lol. Thank god for you man cuz I dont know much about that conf at all haha.

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by bflo on Jan 28, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

well its only fair that I answer the mans question :-)

Glad I can help

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 28, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

haha much appreciated bud. thanks

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by bflo on Jan 28, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

As bad as some of these guys on the list are, I hope Chambers doesn’t make the team in any capacity. He was consistently mediocre in the past, but this season it seemed like the minute he went in there would be a penalty against him or he would totally miss his assignment.

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by thejimbo on Jan 28, 2010 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

He was terrible early in the year and worked his way back to being a reasonable backup before seeming to nosedive again. Chambers had been consistent when he saw snaps in previous years—consistently okay, not good but not bad either. Something rattled loose this year. I’d still keep him as a reserve…..but remember that he was cut before the start of the season so the coaching staff didn’t have a great deal of faith in him coming out of camp.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 28, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

but if [LT] goes unaddressed, the Bills are in heaps of trouble heading into the 2010 season

Well, do you mean completely unaddressed? What about a veteran FA and a mid-round pick?

That’s how I would go with the tackle position because, as you said, there is a lot of young talent on this roster. I liked Bell when he was in there, and considering how far he seemed to come from his rookie season I was encouraged.

If they do go early at tackle I like Anthony Davis. Would he be an immediate upgrade?

in a salary cap era, no single unit (offense or defense) should be consistently sub-average for such a long stretch.

by kgun201 on Jan 28, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I think Butler stays at RT for next season. Bell is kept as a reserve (his penalties seemed to go down as the season progressed) and I think he will get better with time. Meredith is also kept for reserve; he is also probably a season behind Bell in terms of reaching (hopeful) potential.
I think the Bills end up drafting a LT in the first round, simply because if they draft one in the second round, they will only find a RT or someone who needs to develop (which they already have).
Also by drafting a LT in the first round, if say Butler gets injured they can insert Bell/Meredith. And if Butler doesn’t get injured they can still groom two tackles to give them options later on.

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by Ghetts on Jan 28, 2010 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

Of all the guy's listed as OT's for the Bills

I’d keep Meredith,Butler,and Bell. The rest of them can go away…….far,far,away. We’ll call them when the injury bug goes psycho on us again.

by mob16151 on Jan 28, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

Who stays, who goes...

Butler will stay, as he’s our only starter quality player at the position. Although I would personally much rather see him move back into the RG position and Wood move into the Centre position. But that would only happen if we can sign a starting quality Tackle.

Bell will stay. He’s got too much talent to let go, even if he shouldn’t be relied upon to be a starter. I see him taking controle of the swing Tackle position. MAYBE he could start at RT, if Butler moves to RG and IF he shows GREAT improvement over the summer.

Meredith should stay. Yes he’s a project player. Yes he will take a while to develop (I do see him being a startingcaliber player for another 2 season). But I think that he has a higher potential thhan Bell, which is the only thing that merrits him sticking around.

Chambers will probably be gone. I hold much less praise for Chambers than you do Brian and truly think that he is on a rapid downward slide in his career. I see him getting a camp invite with him being a very long shot at actually making the roster.

The rest should all be let go. None of them bring anything to the table that isn’t covered by the 4 mentioned above. And with the garantee of at least 1 more tackle joining the team threw the draft, and most likely the signing of one FA, the last tackles on the list have no place on this team.

For the draft, I’m not sure if I want to draft an OT or an MLB in the first (McClain is growing on me), but if Okung or Davis fall to us, we shouldn’t think twice. Bulaga would also be a great choice in the first.

In the FA department, the only one that I see being out there that is might be worth signing (AKA starting caliber) is Matt Light, although he still needs to be released by the Pats. Otherwise from that it would be a depth signing.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 28, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

What Are You Guys Talking About?

The Bills OL is one of the best. Thank God we kept Peters and not let him go because he was a whinner. He is the best LT in the league! But good thing we drafted Michael Oher (yeah, maybe Orakpo is doing great, but look at that other guy, Maybin) — if he’s too much of a pain, we can let Peters go next year and book end Oher with Langston Walker (he did a good job backing up Peters and Oher). Our young guards, Levitre and Wood can continue their development — Leonard Davis is solid (thank God we spent all that money on him and not on that Dockery (?) guy), and Wood can be our center. Peters (LT), Davis (LG), Wood ( C), Butler/Levitre (LG), Oher (RT) — what is so bad about that?

by labill on Jan 28, 2010 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

It was a comment about the old regime, and what I hope the new regime will not be.

by labill on Jan 28, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I still want to know who (Schonert?) was the one to make the rediculous decision to trade Peters, cut Dockery and Walker, move Butler to a position he hasn’t played in the NFL, sign a career back up to lead the line at center, and start a practice squad/undrafted novice at your most important line position. The 1st pick HAS to be an LT. An important question is whether Edwards could be a good QB with an NFL line — if we draft Bradford or Clausen with the same line … well, I don’t think Payton Manning would be a good QB with our line.

by labill on Jan 28, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Peters made the decision to trade Peters by holding out in 2008 and threatening to do it again in ’09. The Bills were offering him a decent contract I presume.

Dockery was an overpaid blob who didn’t do well in Washington and was rumored to be due a hefty roster bonus. No use keeping him around and I’m glad they rid themselves of his flesh.

Walker… meh. I thought he did fine in camp. DIdn’t bother me to see him go until Butler went down.

What does Hangartner have to do with the tackle play, BTW?

And it’s spelled – “Peyton” Manning.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 28, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

He might just fall there too due to a horrid week at the senior bowl – before that I thought he was late round 1.

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by Will G on Jan 28, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Last year I mentioned a site....

That shows we’re not really in too bad a shape if players can stay healthy, and keep a line together… I know… I know…. Blaspheme!!!! But believe me, this post is NOT to show we don’t need help… I’m in total agreement with drafting a tackle if he is the BPA in the first couple rounds…. Anyway, some numbers to consider from this site….(Has stats that are hard to find)
For this thread, I’ll only list tackles…
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/findplayer.asp?type=position&position=95

Player Games/starts penalties false start holding sacks allowed
Bell 8/8 8 6 0 5
Butler 2/2 0 0 0 1
Chambers 14/9 5 4 1 7
Meredith 8/4 0 0 0 1 1/2
Scott 10/8 6 5 0 10

As you can see… Dump both Scott and Chambers, but considering how raw they are, Bell and Meredith did OK considering… If we could combine Bell’s athleticism with Meredith’s discipline, we’d have a pro-bowler…. For comparison???? How ‘bout….
Peters (08) 13/13 8 4 2 11 1/2
(09 better) 15/15 9 4 1 6
In Scott’s defense, heck, he never got to settle in on one side or the other so a possible keeper too for the coaches to decide… And obviously, Butler’s #s though only 2 games are impressive. In the run game, I’ll cede to Ron, but for future insight for penalties and sacks, our guards, and center are listed as well…. I was gonna do a fan post on this, but have been tied up lately….

by Cinga on Jan 28, 2010 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

I’d say this is an important issue… and of course, it partially depends on who’s brought in to handle the QB issue, of course. (Seeing as two of the possible hole-fillers, Tebow and Vick, are southpaws, RT becomes more important than ever.)

Still, the original starting lineup had a lot of potential, IMO.

by MadmanJack on Jan 29, 2010 12:21 AM EST reply actions  

I still think Bell could turn into a solid LT

and if we leave Butler at RT — let’s draft Mike Iupati (but not at 9 please), throw him in at RG, and bump Wood to C when he is healthy again.

Bell-Levitre-Wood-Iupati-Butler doesn’t sound too bad.

Then again Bryan Bulaga would always be a solid choice.

Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate

by NordicBillsfan on Jan 29, 2010 1:13 AM EST reply actions  

I’m thinking Bulage-Levitre-Wood-Butler-Bell

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 29, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather leave Butler...

@ RT…. I know I’m in the minority here, but bring Cogs back too… Once Wood is healthy again, yeah, him to center, Cogs to RG… I’d love two tackles with a nasty streak in them like Butler and Bulage…. I’m fed up with this “nice” guy crap… However I can’t say it enough…. Best player available!!!! As of now, Bulage would definitely be a reach at 9…..

by Cinga on Jan 29, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

We'll see how things shake out...

Some boards have Williams and Davis rated above Bulaga, though I’m not real high on either yet… We’ll see at the combine and workouts… Both lines are deep which bodes well for the Bills come draft time. We’ll be able to take BPA yet still get some quality linemen I think in Rds 2-4….

by Cinga on Jan 30, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m fine with them bringing back Incognito.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 29, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Given the latest mock draft...

… on ESPN has Clausen surviving until the Bills can snatch him up — and they probably should, seeing as he’s got loads of potential AND has played the past three years in a place whose weather gets as bad as Buffalo — they might need to wait until the second round to bolster the line. Which gets tough, as I’m not sure who’ll be left by then.

Oh well, Bell-Levitre-Hangartner-Wood-Butler could work for next season. Though, again, if the Bills trade for Vick or draft Tebow… okay, what am I saying? There CAN’T be THAT much of an issue flipping the line over if either of them starts, or just lines up in the Wildcat, and besides, both Vick and Tebow (who I actually labeled ‘a dog loving Michael Vick’ when I heard about him) are scramblers by definition, anyway.

by MadmanJack on Jan 29, 2010 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

If Claussen falls to us there is no question that we should draft him. He’s the kind of franchise QB that we need, and frankly the only QB that even slightly impresses me in this draft.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 30, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. We shouldn’t rush anything at this point. If Claussen or Bradford fall to us, the we should draft them and hope another LT falls. If they don’t, then we should just be patien at the QB position (aka wait until next year) and build the Lin and the LB corps. no need to rush anyone or take a stretch in any round. Lets just build the team.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 30, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

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