Bills thump Colts' backups in '09 finale
by Brian Galliford on Jan 3, 2010 3:58 PM EST
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PrintIn a game in which Peyton Manning and other key Indianapolis Colts stars played only a little over a quarter, the Buffalo Bills were dominant, thumping the Colts' reserves 30-7 to finish the 2009 season with a 6-10 record.
Fred Jackson rushed for 212 yards on a whopping 33 carries, meaning that he ends the '09 season with 1,072 yards, the first time he's eclipsed the 1,000-yard mark in his career. Given that Buffalo started nine different offensive line combinations this season, that feat - along with his 4.5-yard per rush average on the year - is quite impressive. He added 15 yards and a touchdown through the air to close out an outstanding season.
Terrell Owens caught a 41-yard touchdown pass from Ryan Fitzpatrick in the second quarter; he finished the game with 65 receiving yards, moving him into third place on the NFL's all-time receiving yardage list, where he trails Jerry Rice and Isaac Bruce. Owens finishes his first - and likely last - year in Buffalo with 55 catches, 829 yards and 6 total touchdowns.
Fitzpatrick threw three touchdown passes - one each to Jackson, Owens and Lee Evans - in the first half, and the Bills led 24-7 at the break. Rian Lindell kicked three field goals and scored 12 points, giving him 1,005 in his career. Rookie defensive back Cary Harris recorded the first two interceptions of his career, while Chris Kelsay recovered a fumble and Kyle Williams picked up his fourth sack of the season.
Thus ends a decade of Bills football that saw zero playoff appearances and only one season in which the team won more than half of its games. The Buddy Nix Era starts in earnest tomorrow. Sound off on this last win, and just enjoy yourselves - things are looking up in Buffalo.
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Yes, it will be between the 7th and the 9th picks, depending on if the Seahawks and Raiders both win, and from there what all three of the teams’s strength of schedules will be.
Bills have like 5th toughest sos. None of others are even close
by radan on Jan 3, 2010 4:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually, the Raiders will have a tougher SOS than Buffalo, no matter what happens in the last seven games. But the Bills still need them to beat Baltimore, which isn’t happening.
its close right now
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Best is 3 way tie for 7th and we’d pick 9th based on sos. Need seattle and raiders to win for that.
by radan on Jan 3, 2010 4:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
excellent post by MRW on previous thread explains much
Draft possibilities – To pick 7th the Bills lose and the Seahawks and Raiders both win.
- To pick 8th the Bills lose and either the Seahawks and Raiders lose.
- To pick 9th the Bills lose and both Seahawks and Raiders lose.
- To pick 10th the Bills win and Bears lose.
So I took the time to look at the strength of schedule possibilities and the Bills could end up picking 6th. Here’s how:
If the AFC East all loses (Bills SOS gain one win thanks to Colts beating Bills), NFC South plays each other (two automatic wins), the Chiefs lose, AFC South loses (one automatic win as Browns play Jags, one win as Texans beat Patriots) we gain 5 wins on our SOS. That puts the Bills at 129 overall wins.
The Redskins would then have to gain at least nine opponent wins. The Eagles and Cowboys play each other which is an automatic two wins. Minnesota loses to the Giants giving the Redskins two more wins. The Skins played the AFC West so Oakland beats Baltimore gives them one and Denver beating the Chiefs gives them one (remember we need the Chiefs to lose). They also played the NFC West and San Fran and St. Louis go this week giving the Skins an automatic win. Seattle beating Tenn. gives them one more and then the Cardinals knock off Green Bay giving the Skins yet another win. If Detroit, another Skins opponent, beats the Bears it’s another and since we played Tampa we want them to beat the Falcons to give the Redskins another win. That adds up to eleven to put the Redskins at 131 overall wins.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 3, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
soo
what are the chances we get Bill??? realistically
If the money is right, and it’s an offer he can’t refuse, we have a very good chance @ landing Cowher.
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by Michael_Necci on Jan 3, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
It just might be better than we think...
Cowher’s a blue collar guy. I can’t see him with a team that has a dome or plays out west. I think he likes traditional football with the rain, snow, rabid fans and lining up and butting heads with the running game. That would leave Buffalo and Cleveland and since I could never see him battling the team he still loves twice a year, it could place Buffalo in a good position.
By the way...
We play the Steelers at home in 2010.
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
Ending the season on a good note has to feel good for the guys who made throughout the year.....
Sure it was like a preseason game…..but it was nice to see the guys didnt mail it in…..if Perry doesnt get this job atleast he showed he can motivate a group of guys to playing their hardest…….
Now on to the real fun part……getting a new head guy and just waiting for the draft. I look foward to the discussions of the off-season as we all wait anxiously for the new "saviors’ of the franchise….lol
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Impressive
Fred Jackson started the game with a 4.3 ypa average for the season and ended the game with a 4.5 ypa for the season. Going up 2 10ths of a percent may not sound like much but it’s a huge jump in week 17.
Also, the deservedly maligned Ryan Fitzpatrick had some terrific throws (including a Klop TD drop) in some harsh weather conditions.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
Remember Marv Levy on Fred Jackson?
Watching Jackson today I couldn’t help thinking back to Marv Levy’s press conference shortly after he arrived as GM when he was asked what we would do for a RB now that McGahee had been traded to Baltimore. “Nobody has ever heard of Fred Jackson from Coe College,” was Levy’s reply, “but they will soon.” Everyone in the media scoffed at that. They said Levy was blowing smoke. It doesn’t look that way now. My hope is that OBD fixes up that heartbreaking contract they gave Jackson last year, when they used his captive status to resign him for a much lower figure than he clearly deserves. They need to rewrite his contract right away before he and his agent start talking about holding out and we end up with another Jason Peters-style controversy. Pay Freddy what he has earned.
I agree also with Ron’s comment about Fitz’s strong performance under tough conditions. Anyone making the comment that he has a “noodle arm” from this point onward should be regarded as a complete idiot. He is, at a minimum, a very good back-up QB, who reads the field nicely and can make on-target throws when the wind is whipping into his face at 40 mph. Not bad.
Fred got a pretty nifty raise.......
I dont think he’s gonna be holding out……….he’s making a fair amount.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he got hosed into signing a exclusive free agent deal—two years for less than $5 million
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
he got a 4 year deal...........
I want to say it was like between 10-11 Million….but I know for sure it was a four year deal
Here is CNNSI’s link on it.
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he signed a 4 year, 8M deal.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 3, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Also if you are curious......
according to USA Today both Jackson and Lynch made 2.2 mil this year……..
One was definitely overpaid for their production……..and it wasnt Lynch…..lol
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Jackson was overpaid?
How so?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Pretty sure he meant “and it wasn’t Jackson… lol”
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Jan 3, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Jackson's deal....
5/13/2009: Signed a four-year, $7.5 million contract. The deal included a $1.1 million signing bonus. $50,000 is available annually through workout bonuses. 2009: $500,000 (+ $650,000 roster bonus), 2010: $1.195 million (+ $250,000 reporting bonus), 2011: $1.625 million, 2012: $1.830 million, 2013: Free Agent
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
well there we go.....
thanks.
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think Chris Brown said he also earned an achievement bonus for going over a thousand, too.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 4, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
He was captive. ERFA last year. Would have been ERFA again this year without the cap and a RFA next year when he was 32. Not hitting UFA until you’re 33 is not good.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 4, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
He's only 28 now
He’s not turning 33 for a while, although I’m sure it’ll feel soon enough to him….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I thought he was 30 now. Sorry. Didn’t look it up. :-)
The point remains the same. He was captive and wouldn’t have hit true UFA status until 31.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 5, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Some way for Marv to prove he knew what he was talking about
by then drafting Lynch 12th overall a year later….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Fred Jackson
I’ve been one of the few since Week 3 that felt that Jackson should be the undisputed starter for the Bills at RB.
Anyone still on the Lynch bandwagon?
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
depends what Lynch bandwagon you're referring too
I’ve been on the trade Lynch for a 2nd or a 3rd for some time
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 3, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think that having 2 backs that are capable of starting any game is a HUGE plus. Keep him!
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 3, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
we need the picks....RBs grow like weed.....which explains a lot come to think of it :-)
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
If we are going to settle for nothing in return, might as well keep the guy to backup Freddy.
Nothing left to say...
Agreed, I have never said we should give him away
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
yea i still think lynch is the better RB. he has hardly scratched the surface of his potential. one of the toughest guys to bring down in the league. keep both for now and let the new regime pick their guy or how to split them.
by LIBi on Jan 3, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thank you
people throw out silly ideas like trading away a running back still three seasons away from his prime who had two back to back 1,000 yard seasons to start his career and then complain how the Bills never hold on to talent and don’t know how to build a competent team.
If you are blessed enough to have two talented running backs you KEEP them. The Colts, Giants, Steelers, Ravens, Cowboys, Cardinals, Saints, and Dolphins have all recognized this and utilized it to help them achieve recent success. I dont see how Bills fans dont get this.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Just remember, when Lynch gets suspended and the Bills lose him for a year with no compensation what so ever…I told you so.
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Yeah, but we’ll still have freddy. So it’s not going to be a huge loss. I mean if we’re not going to get anything significant for him, we should keep him. That being said, if a team is crazy enough to offer us a second rounder, pull the deal.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 3, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind seeing Lynch add 20 more pounds and becoming a bruiser as a FB. Though Cory McIntyre looked great in relief today, didn’t he?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 3, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Wish I knew, game wasn’t broadcasted in Canada. Pissed me off. Although If Lynch could add 20 pounds and not loose too much speed I would love to see him turn into a Leron McClaine type of FB. I doubt that will ever happen though.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 3, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
compensation
I’ll take that risk over a 3rd round pick…Edwards, Youboty, Ellis, etc…give me a player proven to be talented enough in this league anyday.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
Because the Bills need to build their lines???
then complain how the Bills never hold on to talent and don’t know how to build a competent team.
I’d rather the team build the OL more than hanging onto Lynch.
Lynch looks like a middle of the pack RB. He’s nothing special, so if the team could get a good draft or two pick for him, that can be used to bolster the lines, isn’t that a very good way of building a competent team??
Mike Shanahan traded away Clinton Portis after back to back 1500 yard, 14+TD seasons to start his career. What an incompetent move that was.
Look at those teams you listed. Where have some of those teams found those RB’s? Brandon Jacobs was a 4th rounder, Ahmad Bradshaw a 7th rounder, they had Derrick Ward off the Jets PS last year. Willie Parker undrafted. LeRon McClain was a mid round FB, McGahee was acquired via trade. MBIII was a 3rd rounder, Tashard Choice a 4th. Pierre Thomas and Mike Bell were undrafted players. Tim Hightower was a 5th rounder. Good RB’s are found everywhere. What the majority of those teams have is quality run blocking OL’s. That’s what the Bills need more than Lynch, at this point.
Many Bills fans see this.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I’d rather the team build the OL more than hanging onto Lynch.
As would I, I totally agree. However, I just don’t see how the 4th or 5th rounder we get for Lynch helps us do that. Remember it took a 3rd and 5th to get Stroud. Lynch won’t get nearly as much for the reasons you stated – its relatively easy to find ok running backs. I’d bet we dont even get a 4th for Lynch. With a line thats young, Wood, Levitre, Hang, Bell, Incognito, Butler, I don’t see how a 5th round pick will help us build that up. All it would do is trade away a rusher we know is very talented and capable of putting together very good seasons for a mid round pick we’d have to waste on his replacement. Then of course, there is the lack of a guarantee that this mid round pick will be good. Just because a lot of running backs are found in the later rounds doesn’t mean all mid round running backs are good. The odds are probably against you finding a Jacobs. So instead of building a team and using picks elsewhere we are trading a known commodity, a young one at that, for an unknown commodity when we have so many other holes.
The only arguement I really get is sireric’s point that one more mess up and hes suspended for half a year. But thats also why we won’t get a good pick for him. I’d rather have Marshawn then a 5th and a search for his replacement. Your right, we should focus on the o-line, and thats why we shouldnt waste a pick on Marshawn’s replacement.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well McGahee got us two 3rd's
and we all know how mediocre he was here. Lynch is younger and with a lot less tread. Some team could really fall in love with what he can add to their offense. I’m not saying trade him to trade him, but if the price is right, they absolutely have to at the very least consider it.
I don’t think it’d be too difficult to find a backup to Jackson either.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
McGahee did get us some picks
but didnt we get Trent Edwards and Chris Ellis for those thirds?
Just making the point that Lynch is a known commodity and the draft is a roll of the dice.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
We got Edwards and Stroud
Sometimes you have to take risks
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Sometimes you have to take risks
That is true, and hopefully something our future QB and coach understand better than Edwards and Jauron did but not as much as JP Losman did.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
In my younger days
Sometimes you have to take risks
Thinking like that landed me at the free clinic.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
by Joe P. on Jan 3, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
HAHAHAAHAH REC"D!!!!!!
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
And sometimes you don't have to take risks
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
You must decide..
He’s nothing special, so if the team could get a good draft or two pick for him,Either he’s nothing special and we can’t get didly sqwat for him or he’s just in a slump and potentially a great back and we could get good value for him. Which one is it ?
For the record I think he didn’t play well at all this year and next season he’ll come in 15-20 lbs leaner and faster, motivated to prove his worth. I would keep him another year.
What the majority of those teams have is quality run blocking OL’s.
Nobody is denying this but trading Lynch for little to nothing in return won’t help us much in this department. If Mike Iutapi is available in Rd2 maybe we should take him, this guy is a monster run blocker…
Nothing left to say...
No,
You must decide..
what we have to do is convince some other team that Lynch has learned his lesson and is a great back. Then, they will give us a 2nd round pick plus for him. Why is it that some of you guys so desparatly what to keep players like Lynch and then undervalue them to other teams? Some of you who don’t think we can get value for Lynch are the same ones who didn’t think we could get value for Peters.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
Some of you who don’t think we can get value for Lynch are the same ones who didn’t think we could get value for Peters.
Peters played LT, the most highly valued position in the league after QB, and was coming off Pro Bowls, Lynch has been an alternate.
I’m not undervaluing Lynch, I just think he has more value to the Bills than to any other team and that this will be reflected in the offers we get.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
not the point
Peters played LT
You knew he played LT and still undervalued him.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
huh?
I dont remember my take on it but I’m fairly certain I didnt undervalue Peters. I’ll look in the archives.
Point is still that Marshawn should be a Bill, we need insurance, not some 5th round rookie, if Jackson goes down or hey, has a bust year like Marshawn did.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
I just assumed by your answer that you were in that group.....I am not that worried about who
was in that group, but there was a large number of them. I remember because I said Peters should be traded long before it happened and took a lot of crap for even suggesting it.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
well
dont you think we could have really used him this year? :)
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
he did
and Wood’s career is in question. Peters for Levitre?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
come one poz.....you know better than to think you could predict the Wood injury
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
of course
but that fact won’t change history. If in fact Wood is done for his career, you can bet Bills fans of the future will look back at the Peters trade as an overall negative.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
If Peters had played for us this season, I have no doubt he would be on IR
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
hahah
touche, my friend. But IR is much better than career ending.
No doubt the Bills got great value for Peters, but circumstance has diminished the value of that deal if Wood is finished.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
True, but without knowing the future and presented with the same deal, would you still take it?
I would.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
i would have shown him a few million more
if he still said no, then yes I would do it. But if Marshawn cant get me a 2nd, forget it. Hes more useful to me as a weapon for a new coach to tinker with then a mid round pick.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Some already do poz
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
very true K, very true
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
by the way
im playing devils advocate, I’m not sure if I actually believe he should or should not have been traded. Way too early too tell. All three players are very young and talented.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
Anytime you can trade one starter for 2, you are one player ahead. Unless you are talking about a QB like P. Manning, I would trade your ass in a heartbeat.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
what? really?
You would trade DeMeco Ryans for Keith Ellison and Marcus Buggs? There is absolutely no guarantee that draft picks pan out.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
I said Starters....guess I meant...players that would start for teams other than the Bills
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
HAHAHAH
ok ok. I still disagree though. DeMarcus Ware for Danny Clark and Michael Boley? Never! Jason Peters is considered by 90% of the league to be in that elite class like Ware, at his position. By the way, he made the Pro Bowl again this year.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Ability was never his problem....attitude was
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
Why would we have a 5th round rookie?
Couldn’t we add a solid veteran backup? And who’s says some midround rookie couldn’t do a solid job?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
solid veteran works
but then we got Jackson 30 years old and a solid veteran. Solid veteran who is young, like Marshawn Lynch? Or solid veteran whos older like Jackson. We are building for the future so I’d like to stay young.
A mid round rookie could a great job, but he could also do a terrible job. Wright and Omon come to mind. Is it worth that risk?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
If you can get a late 2nd or high 3rd for Lynch
and that parlays into a starting OL or DL, then maybe it is worth the risk.
Isn’t keeping Lynch a risk in and of itself? Making tough decisions is part of what Nix needs to do. Glad I’m not the one pulling the trigger on things of this nature.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Glad I’m not the one pulling the trigger on things of this nature.
Amen to that brother.
And yes, keeping Marshawn is a risk in and of itself. I’d just hate to send away young talent and we have the chance of a better motivator and strategist than Jauron to getting the most out of him.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Man...sign me up!!!!
If I was in that situation, I would love it. It would mean that even if I screwed it put, I would have been paid enough to be set for life. Not bad, IMHO.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
keeping your eye on the prize eh, Joe?
I would have been paid enough to be set for life
Hhahahaha, true, I change my mind
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by poz on Jan 3, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
It is the T.O. effect
“I LOVE ME SOME ME !!!!!!”
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
there's a reason Marshawn had a down year and it isn't
luck. it’s his play style. he goes for homeruns at the expense of 2,3,4 yard gains, even if its 3rd and 1.
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 3, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Nix said it well when he said that a good coach teaches and players should show constant progress and get better every day. I think Lynch, with the right coach, will find where the beast has been hiding.
Nothing left to say...
One would hope
I want a coach that will get the most out of every player, as well as help them improve.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
They didn't get market value for Peters.
Some of you draft gurus just want more picks to play with in your mock drafts.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
Yeah...that's it. Please tell me what market value for Peters was at that time in that circumstance?
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More than the freaking 28th pick in the draft and future 6th rounder. Buffalo got swindled…Do you think Buffalo could get Peters back right now for the 9th pick in the draft and 2011 6th rounder? I don’t.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
You forgot the No. 4 pick, which eventually became Shawn Nelson.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 3, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
we'd have to take
the Cowboys DE too…Peters is still holding on to the guy and the game’s over
by fansince60 on Jan 3, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Peters played very well this year...
…and Buffalo has no LT (let alone a three-time Pro Bowler in his prime) and nothing but two coin flips and a late round pick to show for it…Would you take say, Ryan Clady for our first, fourth, and a 2011 6th rounder? Of course you would and that’s for the 9th not the 28th…Buffalo got ripped off because when push comes to shove, they havde been content to cut bait with proven veterans and draft more prospects.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
No .... we just drafted Maybin instead of Oher
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
So did Peters give the Bills a choice other then to trade him? Because if I remember correctly Peters didn’t even talk to the Bills, leading them to wonder what he was actually seeking. He wanted out of Buffalo and they did the best they could.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
That is how I remember it.....also is was said Peters would sit out the first half of the season
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Whether they “did the best they could” (like little leaguers who strike out every at-bat and get a trophy at the end of the year) given the situation (which I still maintain could have been settled by calling his bluff since he had TWO years left on his contract or re-upping him for market value), they didn’t get back the going rate for a two-time Pro Bowl LT in his prime…I think the going rate would probably be the comp for a losing a franchise player which is two number one picks…not the grab-bag of Philadelphia’s leftovers that Buffalo ended up with.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
I agree with you, well said
I would have called his bluff. He was under contract. Being a complete distraction would not have been favorable for the blockbuster deal he was looking for. Now we pick between 8-10 and we all fear that 3 LTs will already be off the board by then, 3 rookies that are unproven in every way possible. So how can anyone ever suggest that a 28th, mid 4th and 6th come even remotely close to fair compensation?
(a) we should have ante’d up (b) We should have held our ground.
Nothing left to say...
I said
Yeah…that’s it. Please tell me what market value for Peters was at that time in that circumstance?
You said
Do you think Buffalo could get Peters back right now for the 9th pick in the draft and 2011 6th rounder? I don’t.
see the difference????
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
then?
Maybe a top 10 pick..isn’t that where the top LT prospects all went. I suppose that’s where teams feel they have a reasonable chance to get a Pro Bowl caliber LT…even that would have an iffy return because it’s still only 50/50 that you get someone as good as what you already had, but certainly, Buffalo got a pittance in return for Peters and there horror show at LT this season only made it more deplorable.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
Either you forgot or were not paying attention to the Peters holdout
Considering the position Peters put us in, the Bills got very good value for him.
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I remember it accurately
I just don’t value mid-round draft picks as highly as you do.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
We got Wood and Levitre.......and we are still short O-lineman
I think we did OK for the situation. Peters would have suck just like he did the season before if we would have made him play. Remember how he got beat like a drum, helping to cause the JP fumble vs the Jets? How would you like to see a full year of that …. wait….we just did…..which brings us back to we should have taken Oher.
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Oher, Wood, Levitre
sans season ending (or career ending injury) to Wood would have been amazing. Utterly amazing. But thats why I hate draft picks for players. You never know who your team is going to draft or how they are going to do. Marshawn is a known 1000 yard rusher (remember we were talking about Marshawn hahahaha). At least a 2nd for him. And with that second, if it came from a team like Oakland with a high pick I would try and see if Tebow was still around. Or maybe try and trade up with it.
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by poz on Jan 3, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
anything less than a second
isnt worth a young 1,000 yarder. Werent their only 15 1000 yard rushers this year? The lowest since the mid 90s? This stat could support either arguement. That teams would be willing to offer a good pick for a 1000 yard guy or the Bills would be silly to let one get away from them. Or it could mean nothing at all.
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by poz on Jan 3, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Chester Taylor is a FA....
Lynch is younger, but not as good as catching passes. It will be interesting to see what each fetches if they both hit the market.
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Agreed....and make no mistake, you have to draft well or you are screwed
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our luck with tackles has been horrible this decade.
I hope we start off the new decade with a guy who can anchor our line. First Mike Williams wrecked our future by his inability to be anything but a lazy bum and then Peters wrecked our future by refusing to play for us.
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by poz on Jan 3, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
we should have just paid the guy.
A very good example is Fanaca, who do you think got the better end of that deal? Hutchinson was the same, Seattle were playiong hard ball and lost an extremely important piece of their puzzle and have never recovered from it. He WAS the reason they ran the ball so well.
Superstar linemen don’t come around often and when you find them, develop them and then PAY them their dues.
Nothing left to say...
A healthy Walter Jones was a major reason Seattle ran it so well, too
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
How often do players get traded for first round picks and them some? People talk about his value being a top 10 pick as if any NFL player is ever traded for that kind of pick. Buffalo got the appropriate value for Peters, especially considering that keeping him also meant paying him a huge amount of money. I don’t remember if we’ve ever had the debate about the saved money being a factor in trade value before, but I think that for NFL teams making the deal, it’s obviously a factor. If Buffalo gave Peters 10 mil a year (and he was asking for more than that from Buffalo), then it’s 10 mil a year that Buffalo wouldn’t be able to spend on other players and there’s no way that Buffalo would have been able to extend all of Evans, McGee, Kyle Williams, Jackson, Butler and Stroud.
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market value is nothing more than what someone is
willing to pay. being that every team knew Peters was useless to us, that lowers his value.
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 3, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Why is it that some of you guys so desparatly what to keep players like Lynch and then undervalue them to other teams?
The reason why I want to keep him is because he’s currently cheap and I think we can’t get anything for him. Is he currently worth what we paid for him (12th) no. But maybe under the right tutelage he can bounce back and then we’d be set at RB for a while. When this guy is truely running downhill he is extremely hard to stop, he is one of the more exiting players to watch when his game is on. With Levitre/Wood/Incognito, I can only imagine what the potential is…
are the same ones who didn’t think we could get value for Peters.
Don’t lump me in that group because I thought Peters was worth way more than we got and at the price we let him go for, I would have preferred keeping him.
Nothing left to say...
Who said anything about trading him for little or nothing in return?
He’s solid, but yes, he’s nothing special. If some team overpays for him, which could very likely happen, then wouldn’t you consider that?
How do running backs get into slumps?
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
if a team overpays
then I will gladly send him for a 2nd rounder. But I just don’t see it.
How do running backs get into slumps?
Well I suppose they get suspended for the first three games, add ten pounds of playing weight in the off-season, see their backup run incredibly well in their absence and because of that never get their job back so are forced to try and get into a flow with limited carries after being absent.
I think a season together to work it out could bring about great results. Don’t you want to give our future coach the chance to learn to use both of them as weapons?
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by poz on Jan 3, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think that's a slump
that’s self-inflicted.
I want our future coach to have the best chance at winning for more than just his first season. If that means trading Lynch, then so be it. If they want to keep him and feel that helps them long term, so be it. I just don’t know if hanging onto Lynch, in what should be a backup role next year, helps as much as say a potential starter might. Who knows and we shall see….
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
so are forced to try and get into a flow with limited carries after being absent.
Most running backs get better as the game wears on, the get into a rhythm. I think Lynch tries for the home run every chance he gets instead of just smashing through the hole for 3-4y, like as if he needs to prove something, you know – out-do Jackson in some sort of way in order to climb back to relevance, into the starters seat.
Nothing left to say...
I’ve been on the Lynch bandwagon from the beginning. The man can’t run with that crappy of an O-line with his rushing style, I’ve been saying that since the beginning too.
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by UZ on Jan 3, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Trade Lynch?
Sounds great, but we won’t get a case of cheap beer for him now.
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with a revamped line, some toughness and commitment to the running game and Lynch and Jackson could be another Mack and Byner
No way
…and Lynch and Jackson could be another Mack and Byner
Lynch will not be here next year. If he doesn’t get suspended for a year after his next off-season incident, I expect we will cut him loose.
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Why would Buffalo cut Lynch?
He’s under contract, paid for and a good RB. Why just let him go? I can see trading him but I can’t see a flat out release.
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Why cut him?
How long do you think it will take the backup and questionable-character Lynch to develop a toxic attitude on the bench? He’s an expensive backup, too, a former 1st round pick.
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RBs aren't that expensive
and his questionable-character is more so getting into trouble. he seems like a team player.
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 3, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
It is troubling that he didn’t see any carries once Jackson was rested. His (Lynch’s) lone series was pathetic, too.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 3, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
we could go get Toby Gerhart in the 2nd........
o0o0o0o0o0o0o would that just make my life……..yes it would.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
if we could get a 2nd for Lynch I'm all for this
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 3, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well, no kidding!
But who’s gonna giver up a 2nd or 3rd for Lynch’s risk, when you can draft a guy nearly as good with less risk in the 3rd or 4th round?
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Not when he has McFadden, Fargas and Bush.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 3, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to be wrong about Lynch, but...
he seems like a team player.
He’s had little choice but to be a team player, after essentially walking out on his teammates the first three weeks of this season. What else was he gonna do?
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Lynch has always said the right things when reporters are in the area. Whether he’s really like that is another question entirely.
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if Lynch is suspended does he count against our roster?
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 3, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Does it matter?
His next suspension will be for a year. You think we’ll keep him around beyond that, seriously?
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
No
He’d go on the reserve-suspended list.
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Fun game
Glad the team didn’t give up and quit in order to lose like so many Bills fans. Even though they stink, nothing beats a solid Bills victory.
Good for Fred Jackson. 212 yards and well over 1000 for the year. Congrats to him and all the hard work he’s put in to get this far. He deserved today and deserves to be the starter going into 2010. Marshawn Lynch may lose all his touches entirely, if he is still here next year.
Good to see TO go out strong. Whether you like him or not, it was nice to have a player of his caliber in Buffalo, even if it was just one year. Congrats on his milestone too.
Fitzy threw a few good passes, amazingly in the snow. I just hope we never see him with extended playing time in Buffalo ever again.
I wish Fewell would have given the Maybin’s and Hardy’s more playing time in this blowout.
Brian, what happened to the picks post for this week?
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by Kurupt on Jan 3, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agree. Guys like Andy Levitre, Geoff Hangartner, Lee Evans, Fred Jackson, Kyle Williams, Aaron Schobel, Chris Kelsay, Paul Posluszny, Jairus Byrd and Drayton Florence deserve a lot of credit for the way they’ve fought all year and played with pride and toughness. I give them a lot of credit.
I will give a lot of credit to Perry, as well. He’s not going to be the next HC of the Buffalo Bills, and deep down I think he knew that quite a few weeks ago, but nonetheless he has been enthusiastic, vigorous and positive thinking. and I think he’s done a solid job. One day, he’ll be a good HC, I think.
Now is when it gets really exciting, especially since Black Monday is not expected to be at all as extensive as the last few years; my gut feeling is that we have a much better chance at landing Cowher than people think. For one, I don’t think the Bucs, Texans, Panthers or Bears will fire their HC (actually I’m pretty much 98 % sure about that, though it could get interesting in Carolina, if John Fox isn’t willing to be a lame-duck for another year. When all is said and done, I think he realizes that making 6 million dollars is still rather attractive and probably more than he would make with any other team).
Of course, a team like the Jags might enter the Cowher-race, but still they would have to pay Del Rio 15 million dollars for the last three years of his contract and given the frugal mind of Wayne Weaver, I don’t see that happening, and even if it did, I don’t believe he would be willing to pay the price for Cowher.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 3, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Brian, what happened to the picks post for this week?
Just never got around to it. I’m keeping score behind the scenes for a week, and we’re doing this in the playoffs, too, so we’re cool.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 3, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Doing what you can to maintain your lead?!?
:)
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Haha, well, I was only tied for the lead. I’m getting crushed on these late games; still not sure why I picked Arizona.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 3, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
hahahahahahahah
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by poz on Jan 3, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Surprisingly, I did see Maybin a lot more than I thought I would that game.
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by UZ on Jan 3, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
We beat Colt backups
but we’ve had backups playing all year. It was back ups against back ups and we won that.
but their backups were playing not to get hurt
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Yup, but they ended up with three. But the Saints who we were tied with didn’t get any. It’s a total shame that our top five pass defense and the emergence of Fred Jackson came in a year in which the run D and pass O made it impossible for this team to really compete.
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moving on
New coaching staff and lots of personnel changes. Hope Wood heals.
by jpheff on Jan 3, 2010 4:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Fun game.
If nothing else, today was worth watching just to see Fred Jackson’s day. He had a tremendous year.
Looking forward to the offseason. I wasn’t a huge fan of the Nix hire, but now that he’s here, I can’t wait to see 2010 Bills take shape.
a good vibe for 2010
this was a fun game but what the heck is going on in Ind as the old saying goes you play to win the game that what we did and ind did not
and when they get knocked out of the playoffs after their bye no one will feel sorry for them in the slightest......
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Awsome that we actually won, but that wasn't a game that I wanted to win.
This garantees that we draft around the 10th spot again, not a position that I really wanted, since we had a good shot of picking around 7th. Goodbye McClaine and most likely Davis.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 3, 2010 5:03 PM EST reply actions
No, it doesn’t. We’ll be picking either 8 or 9, if I’m right – and I could be wrong.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 3, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Ok thats nopt that bad. Still a good shot at a good LT or McClaine as a great consolation prize if the LT’s are gone.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 3, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
I could also be wrong but think we’ll pick 9th regardless of oakland and seatle outcomes based on sos tiebreaker
by radan on Jan 3, 2010 5:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So that means that we would have picked 6th had we have lost this game. Right?
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 3, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on what Skins, Seatle, and Raiders do. They all win and we’d have picked 7th based on 3 way tie for 5th and our sos. That’s not likely so win didn’t really cost us much because of our strong sos.
by radan on Jan 3, 2010 6:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I say that although we lost Big Ben and Patrick Willis by a slot or 2 in the past. Both were players even our scouting brain trust and FO wanted to take.
by radan on Jan 3, 2010 6:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If they really wanted them
they could have used the picks they traded for Losman and Poz later in those drafts to move up in the 1st round.
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I think they tried hard to trade up with Jax to get Big Ben and Jax was fixated on some wide receiver who turned out to be a bust—cant remember the name. They knew Pitts was going after Ben. Donahoe et al panicked and reached for JP. If I had to chose one thing that has put our team in the talent mess it’s in—it was that stake in the heart move.
by radan on Jan 3, 2010 6:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
9th because we won. 8th if we had lost.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 4, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ninth to be exact, unless the Raiders goes out and chocks the world and beat the Ravens, which would then mean we would draft eighth. However, I just don’t see that happening given the magnitude of the game for the Ravens.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Jan 3, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t entirely be surprised to see the Raiders win though, they have been playing Spoiler for a few weeks now.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 3, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Fred Jackson's season
Kudos again to Fred Jackson… by my calculations, his season will be the 4th-best all-time in terms of all-purpose yards. He ended up with 2,516 yards – just ahead of Josh Cribbs (2,510).
However, Chris Johnson might pass him; he was at 2,355 heading into the game, so that’s only 161 yards short. Or if Sproles runs a couple kicks back for a touchdown…
by Krenn on Jan 3, 2010 5:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Great find!
I also would have never guessed Derrick Mason is #1
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
With all those balls he drops, how the hell…
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by UZ on Jan 3, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
the major pass he dropped against Pitt
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by poz on Jan 3, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well that's just one pass
I wish Lee Evans could have Derrick Mason’s excellent career.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Yes. I know.
That’s the point. Jackson needed 1,000+ return yards to keep it close to Chris Johnson’s yards from scrimmage.
I hope you aren't ridiculing Jackson
Chris Johnson was just unreal this year. Fred Jackson had a great season in his own right, too.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
haha, I thought you were pretty clear. Well played though.
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Well sorry then
Your sarcasm laden replies make it hard sometimes.
I figured you wouldn’t do that to Jackson, but had to be sure….
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
incognito
can anyone comment one how incognito played this week? It would be great if he were a long term solution at guard, then wood could move to center and we can draft a LT and RT
I think I saw
one holding penalty. He was using some Colts to plow snow off the field. Given Fred’s run #s, I think he did OK.
LOL....
He was using some Colts to plow snow off the field
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
agreed......
we may not need as much OL help if we keep Icognito around…….
Hang, Levitre, Wood, Butler, Iconito, Bell?
get a stud LT and that is one decent looking line.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
wood
they have been very quite about his injury, i wonder if he is done for good, i do not rmemeber anyone coming back froma break like that
even if he needs to take 2010 off.....
all the more reason to keep Richie around……
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
on the bright side
I don’t remember anyone’s career ever ending from a broken leg either.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
theisman
although a think wood’s was more gruesome because of the proximity to the ankle
Ed McCaffrey in 2001. I think he never saw the field again.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 3, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
He played for a few years after that. He had over 900 yards the very next season, although I guess he was never quite the same player after the injury. He was also 33 years old when he got hurt, so it’s not the same as a rookie like Wood. I think the only issue with Wood’s injury is whether or not he’ll have the lower body strength to play well next year. And I guess people typically have pain in that area the rest of their lives after a break that bad, so he might have a shorter career than most. That type of thing takes it toll on a guy.
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medical technology has come a LONG LONG LONG way since Joey T had his problem.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I met Theisman years ago
he said he was afraid to come back and have it happen again.
Didn’t Theisman have a broken theimer though? Whenever you break the strongest bone in your body, you don’t ever fully recover. Ever.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 3, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Theimer?
a wha?
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Femur… so much for trying to sound it out.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 3, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
LOL.....I will give you a break....your lips probably frozen up
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HAHAHAHAAH
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 3, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Theisman would break his theimer though
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Well his actual last name is pronounced
Theezman but it was “changed” in college to rhyme with Heisman. So don’t put it past him.
wood
i hope we get him back as i think he could be a mauler, just odd that we have heard so little, is he walking, cane, wheelchair???
Wood is in a wheelchair
My friend was in Niagara Falls at the casino a couple of weeks ago and talked to Brohm and Wood. Said Wood was in good spirits and Brohm was sorta a jerk… take that for what its worth, but hopefully he can come back strong for next season
well you guys won't
remember, but, Roger Kaufman, a Bills running back years ago never came back. He had nerve damage I believe and that ended his career.
kaufman
now that is a stumper, what year did he play?
nice piece of trivia
i love that site, it os an office favorit, the bb version is incredible, too. We use it to settle most lunch wagers
me too
to verify what’s in my head! As a frame of reference, I watched the interview with Richie Lucas when this whole “ball” got rolling.
the bb version
Does that mean there’s a blackberry version of Pro Football Reference? If so, where did you find it?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I don't use a
blackberry (iphone) so not sure what the reference is. Maybe wab2 can help.
You might be mixing him up with Kauffman—the old center for the Buffalo Braves—how’s that !
by radan on Jan 3, 2010 6:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wasn't much of a B-Ball fan
but I did like to watch McAdoo
Twoooo for McAdoo as Van Miller used to say
by radan on Jan 3, 2010 6:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Move Bell to RT and draft and LT and we’d have a pretty good line.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 3, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
PFT is reporting that Welker tore his MCL and ACL. I’ll be curious to see how the NFL manages to time the Bills game in Foxboro to coincide with Welker’s ‘emotional return’.
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by Ron From NM on Jan 3, 2010 6:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ha ha!!
Great point—-Bills got to welcome back Bruschi and Brady—Welker might be ready by week 12 so we can expect to see the Bills @ Gillette Stadium on that Sunday night!!
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Fitzy is the best run blocking QB in the league.
That is the only thing i’m sure of going into the offseason.
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you know something that I have yet to see mentioned yet?
Bills TOP 37:34
Colts TOP: 22:26
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2010 7:40 PM EST reply actions
one too many yets.......
lol
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I’m amazed at Manning’s stats given he played 1 quarter. 14 of 18?! The Bills were lucky he was pulled early. I have a feeling the snow wouldn’t have held him up at all.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 3, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
weren't they just throwing a bunch of short passes
to pad the stats?
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 3, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
If nothing else we know for a fact that Fitz plays a whole lot better in bad weather than the shell schocked guy.
Fitz has played behind the same crappy line as Captain Trent Checkdown...
……. and he is very inaccurate at times. But at least he has the balls to throw it downfield on occasion.
We need to keep him (Fitz) as a backup next year.
Trent needs to seek PTSD therapy, or call it David Carr Syndrome, since his mind cannot handle the game anymore.
"A failure becomes just one time at bat if you refuse to let it defeat you." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 3, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's a perfect fit
for the Saskatchewan Roughriders where it snows most every day
regardless
it is always good for the soul to see the Bills win. Bring on the off-season and some hope for change and better days for our Bills!
MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens
My top players of the year have to be, in no particular order
Kyle Williams
Aaron Schobel
Jairus Byrd
Fred Jackson
There are others who played well (kind of), but I think these players stood out giving all of their effort week in and week out.
I would also add Terrence McGee and Drayton Florence to this list, and possibly Bryan Scott for the defense along with Wood and LEvitre on the offense, even though the line was much worse than suspect this year, they gave it their all for a couple kids. Hangartner… could be here too, just because he lasted the whole year
It's not all that bad.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!
+1
"A failure becomes just one time at bat if you refuse to let it defeat you." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 3, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
for his 5 million dollars in salary this year....
he better last the whole year.
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 3, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
i would even
throw in Chris Kelsay….he played well this year for a guy we all wanted released prior to the season. Also, give Levitre credit for starting 16 games. There is talent here. With a 2-3 solid drafts from Buddy Nix and we’ll be rolling again before too long
MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens
Bob Sanders.
I think he has been a great addition as DL coach for Kelsey and Kyle Williams, the both showed marked improvement this year, I was never real impressed with Kyle Williams until this year, I attribute it to Sanders.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 4, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Sanders is the one coach.
I surely wish we could keep under a new regime.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 4, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Gotta finish at .500 though
Poor us
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
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