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Reed's 2010 Hall of Fame Chances Slim

Andre Reed will eventually be in the Hall of Fame.  I, on the other hand, will not.

If history tells us one thing it's that Andre Reed will eventually be a member of the Hall of Fame, just not in 2010.

Reed, the Bills' all-time leader in every receiving category, has been a hotly contested candidate since he became Hall eligible.  This is Reed's fourth year as a finalist.  He was one of the first fives names eliminated last year in balloting when the voters whittled the finalist list from 15 to 10.  With the addition of first-year candidates Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith, it may be harder than ever for Reed to crack through this year.

This Saturday the Hall of Fame Selection Committee, consisting of 44 NFL writers from across the country, will determine the fates of this year's Hall of Fame finalists. At least four candidates must be elected from the list of 17 (fifteen modern era plus two Senior's Committee finalists) but the total class cannot number more than seven (maximum of five modern era plus both Senior's finalists).  In order to be elected they must receive 80% (36 writers) of a yes/no vote. Even if voters feel Reed is worthy of the golden jacket, he may not supplant others on the list.

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Wide Receivers
The biggest hindrance to Reed's 2010 candidacy is the stiff competition at wide receiver.  Rice is a lock to get in.  He holds every receiving record in the book.  The "second-tier" of wide receiver candidates involves three prolific receivers from the 90s - Cris Carter, Tim Brown and Reed.  Unfortunately for Reed he ranks behind both Carter and Brown in receptions, yardage, touchdowns, and yards per game.

After doing some considerable number crunching, Pro Football Reference's Chase Stuart had this to say:

Reed? A great receiver, but he didn't stand out among his own team or his peers at the position. It won't be an injustice if Reed is inducted, but I would put him squarely behind the other two [Carter and Brown].

Other Candidates
The committee is allowed to select up to five of the modern era candidates.  Rice and Smith, the league's all-time leading rusher, are locks leaving only three spots available to the rest of the field.  The three wide receivers discussed previously are joined by; Coach Don Coryell, RB Roger Craig, C Dermontti Dawson, DE Richard Dent, OG Russ Grimm, DE/LB Charles Haley, LB Rickey Jackson, DT Cortez Kennedy, DT John Randle, and TE Shannon Sharpe.

Several members of the list could present strong cases for enshrinement this year ahead of Reed.  Richard Dent was close last year according to voter Peter King.  He thinks Dent will be elected this year.  He also thinks former Redskins guard Russ Grimm will be elected this year.  Then King mentions that Shannon Sharpe and Cris Carter will likely have to fight over the last spot.  That leaves Reed not only on the outside looking in, but not even in the ballpark.

The Golden Era Bills
Those closest to Reed during his playing years may be preventing his enshrinement in Canton.  James Lofton, Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, and Bruce Smith are all teammates of Reed's that have already been enshrined in Canton.  They are joined by Reed's coach, Marv Levy, and his owner, Ralph C. Wilson, Jr.  There have been many great teams through the years but opinions exist that say Reed's numbers are inflated from playing alongside Lofton and Thomas and catching throws from Kelly.

For Reed's sake the best he can hope for this year, short of a surprise election, is to see Rice and at least one of his fellow wide receivers get elected in 2010.  The less direct competition Reed has from Carter, Brown, and Rice, the more votes he is likely to receive in the future.

The vast majority of finalists have eventually been enshrined in Canton.  Art Monk waited 13 years for enshrinement.  Reed might be in for that kind of wait.

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It boggles my mind that Reed isn’t in the HOF. His numbers don’t lie.

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by Michael_Necci on Jan 31, 2010 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

you know from that pic Brian you look like you're taller than Reed............

but Im sure thats just Reed being nice…………and lowering down for you.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 31, 2010 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

I was standing up straight and he was slouching. We’re the same height.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 31, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Reed’s the same height as you?! I always thought he was much shorter than that. I saw Thurman on Friday and never realized I was the same height as he is. Though he’s still jacked and i’d get jacked up.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 31, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually I think I’m taller than Reed. NFL.com lists him as 6’2" and I’m 6’3".

by MattRichWarren on Jan 31, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

and crap..........sorry Matt.........and Brian ;)

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 31, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude I’m sooooo much better looking than Brian.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 31, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah you're not too bad looking........

for an albino………….hehe

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 31, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

what I was thinking. Got that Edgar Winter look going on. Frankenstein used to be my favorite song when I was a kid. Sorry Matty, but albino’s give me the hebejebee’s :-)

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by dzil on Jan 31, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

265 out of 19000. That’s the number of NFL players in the HOF. 1.4% on NFL players are in the Hall.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 31, 2010 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

HOF

I’ve never liked the concept of the Hall of Fame in the first place. Anything that subjective that is controlled mostly by the worst people on Earth, the media, holds very little importance to me. Anyone following football in the early 90’s knew Andre Reed was the premier receiver in the AFC and probably was only 2nd to Rice at the time. His stats, as impressive as they are, don’t do his career justice because Buffalo had so many playmakers at the time and the ball had to be spread around.

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by Port Royal on Jan 31, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

I haven’t heard that argument before but I think it’s valid. His number would have been better had they had less options. For what it’s worth, Charles Woodson has said he puts Reed at the top of that “second tier” behind Rice and he covered them all.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 31, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Charles?

Are you sure you don’t mean Rod?

Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!

by UtahBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there an all time YAC record?

And Jerry Rice had some pretty good talent around him too, so I don’t want to hear that Reed was a prodi

by BillsfanDan on Jan 31, 2010 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

that was weird sorry. As I was saying...

product of the system and the players around him.

by BillsfanDan on Jan 31, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

is bruce smith in the hall?

by chaucer on Jan 31, 2010 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

i had forgotten that he was already inducted…just googled it.

by chaucer on Jan 31, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

For what it’s worth, I live in the Lehigh Valley Area of PA, where Reed grew up. His mom is actually a member of the Lehigh Valley Bills Backers. 2 years ago at a Fundraiser, Jim Kelly was the guest speaker, Reed’s whole family was there but he was not.

I saw his mom at a charity event a few months ago and she said I doubt he will get in this year based on who he is up against….but they are always hoping for next year. His family runs a bus trip up to Buffalo once per year, they usually go up when someone gets put on the wall.

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by RIP058 on Jan 31, 2010 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

He was at the Browns game this year receiving the Wilson Award. That’s when I got that picture.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 31, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Tough call....... but here is who I think the media will put in the Hall.....

Rice – Duh
Smith – double-duh
Coach Don Coryell – This guy IMO was an absolute genius. I loved watching the Chargers back then because the Bills stunk. Remeber the playoff game against the Fish? I was a teenager watching it with a bunch of friends. That game was awesome.
DE Richard Dent – That guy scared me just watching him on TV.
DE/LB Charles Haley – Wish he was a Bill
Shannon Sharpe – Can’t stand him, but that dude was unstoppable. He even produced in Baltimore with a crappy QB.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 31, 2010 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

They wouldn’t be able to put all six of those guys in. Five modern era plus zero, one, or two of the Senior’s Committee candidates.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 31, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

My bad, I thought Coryell was in the senior category

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 31, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Reed

Andre will get in someday, he was Kelly’s go to guy. Rice and Emmett are sho-ins, Brown was the only threat for the Raiders unless Ricky Dudley counts and Chris Carter definitely has waited long enough. Reed will be inducted in the class of 2011.

What hurts is the way the NFL is played today, it use to be a rarity when a receiver would catch a 100 balls or close to it in a year now it happens every year. Look at Wes Welker the past 3 years he has caught a 112, 111 and 123 (in 14 games), it dilutes what the receivers accomplished during the Reed era and before when catching 70-80 passes was considered an outstanding year. Now it is pitch and catch especially with the rule changes favoring the offense. Reed use to get mugged going over the middle—-now if a defender comes close the flags start flying….

Tasker is the guy that will need help in the future, if there ever is a special team player that deserves the HOF it is him. If Tasker was playing today and was used in the slot like Welker he would catch 150 passes—-but then again I’m prejudice—-haaaa!

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by Goose22 on Jan 31, 2010 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

Should be a no-brainer

Reed was and still is to this day my all time favorite Bill. My biggest argument for him is that unlike Brown and Carter he wasn’t the best player on their offense and he had to share his touches but he was always able to make them count. Add to the fact that Reed revolutionized going over the middle and producing YAC in an era where that was extremely rare. Not to mention that is postsean statistics were at or near the top of the league for over a decade

I agree with Goose in that receivers in today’s NFL have it much easier with bubble screens and little dink and dunk passing plays coming from a variation of the spread offense.and anytime they dont make a catch a penalty is called. A simple example is look at how many guys threw for over 4000 yards this year as opposed to when Reed played.

I also agree that the media shouldnt be voting guys in the HOF. It should be up to the guys who actually played the game IMO. Writers look at two things stats and rings and in today’s league with overblown stats it just makes it that harder to get some of the older guys voted in without them having to wait 15-20 years which IMO is an injustice.

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by ajred12 on Jan 31, 2010 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

There have been many great teams through the years but opinions exist that say Reed’s numbers are inflated from playing alongside Lofton and Thomas and catching throws from Kelly.

The same argument was made for years against Lynn Swann , yet he made finally it into the Pro-Football HOF in 2001. I have not doubt that Andre will make it in, it just wont be for a while, and thats a real shame.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

Deserving or not there's a good chance Reed doesn't make it

He has no shot this year with Jerry RIce already a no-brainer lock. Meanwhile Chris Carter is waiting in the wings. Reed might wind up getting pushed down the list as more and more worthy players come along for induction. Reed just happened to wind up being considered at a time when too many other worthy WRs were also on the HOF ballot.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 31, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

It's a shame that Reed won't make it to HOF this year..

He never got the respect,or the paycheck for the contributions He gave to the Bills in their era of greatness..Talley is another one that’ll never get the right breaks to be recognized..I’d never try to take anything away from Bruce,but Talley had the outside played so well that a lot the runners got forced inside to Bruce..It was a Privilege to be a Bills Fan then..Though,I’ll always see the team that way..

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by 3nOutNoMore on Jan 31, 2010 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Let's be honest

the real news here was that we now know what MRW looks like.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Jan 31, 2010 10:32 PM EST reply actions  

Yup, he’s a tall Albino!

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

handsome as hell, as well.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 1, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I smell a mancrush developping.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

haha if only he was a musician...

or at least knew enough to teach it at a school…then we can talk.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 1, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow I’m kinda freaked out by the fact that you just described exactly what I’m studying to become.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 2:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Hah! Really? I wrote that cuz I thought that was what MRW does.

Maybe I have my Rumblers confused?

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 1, 2010 5:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nope. Music teacher. Off to work right now. And I’ve never figured out the red eye reducer CBF. :-)

by MattRichWarren on Feb 1, 2010 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

lol, I still say that makes you a tall albyno music teacher.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought

there are cameras out there that can take away the red reflection of the camera flash? Time to buy a new camera ;)

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by moncheri on Feb 1, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that he already has that type of camera, he just doesn`t know how to use it.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

btw

how were you able to shave so cleanly? That’s incredible work! Or you aren’t that hairy type of person to begin with…..

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by moncheri on Feb 1, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

This is precisely why I do not have a picture of myself on the Internet.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 1, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

why?

you afraid people commenting on your facial hair? ;)

for what it’s worth, I think MRW is a handsome dude.

i promise, if you put up your picture, I won’t compare you with Matt. please….pretty please….

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by moncheri on Feb 1, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

all this ’handsome dude" stuff is creeping me out.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Feb 1, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s funny that Andre Reed’s Hall of Fame credentials are what they are but everyone’s talking about my picture. LOL

by MattRichWarren on Feb 1, 2010 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

Comon Matt, its not every day that we learn what a 6’3" albino music teacher looks like ;-)

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt’s a redhead. Aren’t albinos blond with pink eyes or something?

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 1, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

They are mocking the red eye in the picture. Albinos, as I am commonly misidentified as, have no pigment – white hair, white skin, white eyes but the blood makes them look pink. I am Irish. Pasty, yes. Albino, no.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 1, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

lol Yeah but that picture sure helps the jokes ;-)

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Albinos, as I am commonly misidentified as, have no pigment – white hair, white skin, white eyes but the blood makes them look pink. I am Irish. Pasty, yes. Albino, no.

The funny part of this answer is how this has obviously happened before.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 3, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

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