Sources tell ESPN's Len Pasquarelli that the Bills will indeed consider Michael Vick for their starting quarterback job.
This confirms beat writer Allen Wilson's speculation earlier this week. New coach Chan Gailey likes mobile quarterbacks, and the Bills can't enter 2010 with Trent Edwards as their starter. The Bills would likely only have to give up a conditional sixth- or seventh-round pick to land Vick.
Len Pasquarelli (Insider required), via Rotoworld
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then do it................
but still need to develop a young guy……….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 31, 2010 2:00 PM EST reply actions
Tebow.....
I love the idea of picking up Vick and letting Tebow learn behind him.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Please god dont hijack this with the Tebow debat lol
by mob16151 on Jan 31, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well personally the only way it makes sense is to get both of them – Vick for the short term, and Tebow for long.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 31, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
That's if you think Tebow is a worthy developmental QB....
IMO, he has to really make a 180 in how he plays and with his mechanics.
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i would rather get Vick and go for Locker next year
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by UZ on Jan 31, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed!
It’s almost too perfect, considering they’re both lefty scramblers you could build the line exactly up.
The problems arise when you consider that Vick hasn’t exactly shown his old form and Tebow is an unknown quality…
Seriously, though, they do this, they can get Tim in the second round, get a decent tackle in the first and voila, instant contender (just add line and linebacker depth).
hahahah
I didnt want to hijack it but as MRW pointed out, the only way Vick makes sense is if we are getting Tebow too. As CBF also noted below, if we get Vick we know Tebow is going to happen.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Thats not true
Vick makes a ton of sense if we draft any QB this year. That way we wont have to rush them on the field.
But Tebow would especially make sense. You can build an offensive system that is entirely about the rushing QB, and have a seemless transition in between Vick and Tebow. You wouldn’t have to change a single thing between both of them. As much as I hate the idea, it does make a lot of sense.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
If it did happen it would be about the only sensible thing OBD has done in a long time.
"Security comes from earning it--not seeking it." Marv Levy
And thus it begins
I cant stop myself……………….Nothing about Tebow makes sense……………….aaaarrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
How about we agee to stop the Tebow talk right now? This isn’t a post about Tebow, it’s a post about Vick. God I think I’m going to be sick.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
unfortunately my friend
Any post about Vick will be about Tebow because of the fact that hes in his 30s, is a scrambling QB, and would demand an heir to fill his very niche role unless the team totally restructures its system after hes done.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Agreed…. unfortunalty. I just don’t want to see this thread turn into another 500+ comment argument about the values of having Tebow on this team.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
i really like this point
I don’t remember if it was your or another poster who pointed out that picking up Vick or Tebow also reduces the need to nab a LT because its not the blind side with a lefty. Its a very good point and I think its likely an advantage.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Well you would still need a RT…lol
Regardless its the blindside, and I don’t trust any tackle on our team to protect any QB’s blindside.
"Security comes from earning it--not seeking it." Marv Levy
true true
but the talent level of the pass rushers going against RT tends to be of lower quality than those going against the traditional blindside.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Agreed. And we could probably nab a starting RT in the second round and move back in the first to take Tebow. It doesn’t fix our problems at LT, but having a left handed QB would allow Bell to grow into the role with less pressure too.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Right
Bell continues to grow and if I’m not mistaken doesn’t Notre Dame have a great RT prospect entering the draft?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Maybe they do, a name would be nice though.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Sam Young
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 31, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
I just did a bit of research and all the draft sites I checked have him going in the 5th round. I would exactly call that a great RT propect.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I highly, highly highly doubt
Sam Young goes in the 5th. I’d say 3rd maybe 4th.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
problem is he stayed too long in school....
and thats actually gonna hurt him in the draft…….but I cant see him lasting past the mid 4th round period……someone is gonna get a steal.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 31, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
someone is gonna get a steal.
And I hope its us.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
How long have you been a fan of this team??? I doubt that happens…lol
"Security comes from earning it--not seeking it." Marv Levy
thats the problem!
when youve been a fan since birth you get used to hoping and getting nothing in return to the point that you think its normal!
I hate it, I can already feel myself getting hopeful for next year. I just can’t prevent it.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
how pathetic have we gotten? any scrap of hope is coveted like gold. we deserve better for all of our emotional sacrifice being Bills fans.
most of my posts get deleted :(
I want to be able to talk smack again!
My drinking buddies are a mix of Giants, Steelers, and Bills fans and the Bills fan segment of that never gets to talk smack! Just a winning season, a playoff birth, please!
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
yes thank you!
Sam Young is who I’m thinking of. And Kyle Calloway from Iowa is a good one too. I think they are both available in the third round.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
not sure how we move back in the first to rake tebow when jacksonville drafts right behind the bills and claim they’re taking tebow.
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I’m not sure that I believe that the Jags will take him in the first though. I mean a few years ago Del Rio himself apparently told Brady Quinn that if he was available the Jags would draft him. That didn’t happen.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I just cant see Jags following through with that
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
They’re also both lefty…
Fatang Fatang.
by NeverendingOptimism on Jan 31, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
I actually agree and though I’m not particularly in favor of Tebow, this would be the one scenario that makes sense, although I’d still rather have a guy like Pennington as QB than Vick, who’s incredibly overrated.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 1, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
Entirely agree. The Vick/Tebow scenario is not a pleasing one for me either. Although it is a realistic one and dare I say even a good one. I still don’t like it though.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
i completely disagree
I think if you get Vick you really can’t just draft any QB because he wont be able to sit on the bench and learn the system he is watching and practicing in. You have to create a new offense for the young guy when it comes time to put him in. With Tebow on the other hand, he gets two or even three years to learn the system behind Vick. We all know Tebow is an obsessive student and film watcher. It would make a lot more sense than drafting any QB.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
That way you can shape your O Line over then next few years, and not worry about throwing a non mobile QB behind a mobile O Line.
"Security comes from earning it--not seeking it." Marv Levy
exactly right.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Exactly, as a long term plan it makes A LOT of sense. I still think that I’m going to be sick though.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
being different does sometimes have it’s advantages. with these two, the Bills would have a unique attack that teams would not normally be used to. I suspect Miami may go for either of these guys for wildcat use tho.
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Miami has a starter in Henne, and a wildcat guy in Pat White, with Ricky, and Ronnie they are just fine.
"Security comes from earning it--not seeking it." Marv Levy
Agreed, Miami is not going to make a pitch for either Vick or Tebow. Theres no need for them too, and if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, if they could somehow get Vick on the cheap, I think they would do it, but Vick will go somewhere to at least compete for the starting job.
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That’s why getting Vick is ridicules. How are we to groom someone behind a QB that doesn’t know how to play the game? I don’t get it. So he’s a lefty. So what? Tim Tebow is not a fast running QB, which Vick is. He’d get killed trying to be Vick. The only thing similar between the two is the fact they throw with their left hand.
well now
the big factor isn’t whether or not they have the same individual style. The big factor is if they can run the same system, which I think they can.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
hmmm
I would really like to know what kind of system that would be. Bringing on a guy that doesn’t know how to play QB, with reasoning we can then have the same system for two guys that can’t play QB, somehow does not make me feel good. What am I missing here?
Obviously, it’d be a run heavy system. You’d want an athletic run blocking line that can move sideline to sideline on stretch runs and could get to the 2nd level with screens and other run plays.
It would be a vertical passing attack with an emphasis on reading safeties and looking for single coverage down the sidelines. Other passes would be shorter throws to the sidelines and simpler reads towards the middle of the field with lots of drag routes, short curls, slants and other similiar routes.
You’d want it to be heavy on playaction and use bootlegs pretty often. The team would try to take advantage of the mobile QB enough to try and get the defense to spy him occasionally.
What we’re talking about with running the same system is about the way a QB is taught to read defenses. The keys that are and aren’t important. Is there an emphasis on safeties or LBs? How does the team attack zone vs. man coverage? What type of blocking schemes are used. The type of receiver you’re looking to draft and sign should be similiar (possesion guys mixed with a deep threat are best for guys like Vick and Tebow). You don’t want to draft a QB with a weaker arm and then give him a bunch of guys who can’t do anything after the catch and you don’t want to give small targets to inaccurate QBs or guys who can’t get open deep to a big armed QB.
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couldn't have said it better
well said kaiser. The key in my opinion, is as you put:
What we’re talking about with running the same system is about the way a QB is taught to read defenses
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Thanks for the explanation. However, I don’t think Tebow fits that description. Sounds more like a Pike type is needed to groom behind him then – more of a big armed, hasn’t had much experience reading a defense type guy.
Do you really think Vick can have success? I truly do not like this guy. As a player and a person. I had hopes of him being rehabilitated by jail/Dungy too. But I saw all I need to see of this guy after a Eagles game, walking off the field blowing kisses to his left and to this right like he’s some hero.
I don’t believe he’s changed. I personally think this guy’s scum of the earth. And I don’t know how in the world Bills fans can get behind someone like that. (think McGahee times 10 on the prima dona / total jerk meter)
A gimmick offense...
no thanks, Vick/Tebow are not Warren Moon.
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Then don't build a system that only a few QB's can play in...
What happens if we draft Tebow, try to build something tailored only to his abilities, and then have a new coaching staff in 3 years?
I’d rather draft a QB, and develop him as prototypical QB. If that’s behind Vick, then so be it. The Falcons developed Matt Schaub behind him, and never had a backup that was remotely similar to Vick….so why couldn’t we do that?
I say draft the best QB prospect, regardless of future system potential. I think I’d prefer the Bills picking up Vick and going after a Jevan Snead. Two completely different QB’s, but one as the stopgap, the other as a high upside kid to really build up and develop.
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maybe you are right
Believe me, I still want Sam Bradford or Jimmy Clausen at 9. But if they aren’t there, I think a Vick trade should clue us in, in addition to Nix’s flattery for the kid, that Tebow is the target.
And Jevan Snead huh? You may be one of the few people left on his bandwagon after this last season. Shows you how quickly the media can turn on a player.
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Snead
Where do you look to draft him – what round ? Great tools and potential – but had a wretchid year.
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i agree here
Vick was a run first QB, but if, and the signs point to this, he can be a student of the game and reemerge as a different kind of QB, more of a pocket guy with running ability, a la Steve Young in the 90s, than Vick can be very good. If he becomes a winner, any QB can benefit from that. I wouldn’t say Tebow has the same skill set as him… but I guess the lefty thing and all that, and Tebow obviously runs, but isn’t as quick is the other huge similarity… but either way, I like Vick here.
Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!
i hope u are right. imagine that…gosh, i am salivating at the thought. again, do we take tebow at number 9? if the bills really want him, they have to take him there because the jags will snatch him up.
I think
that after he completes workouts his stock will settle as a second rounder/third rounder. I just can’t imagine the Jaguars actually going through with Tebow. For a long time I did, but the more I think about it the more I just can’t see it. It may be in Buffalo’s best interest to take a LT / McClain at 9 and trade up to bottom of the first for Tebow.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
i hope u are right. but what about that politician encouraging jaguars management to draft tebow to help sell tickets?
I'm sure they will seriously consider it
but at the end of the day how can they justify that move. If they do it and throw Tebow to the wolves, which they will have to do to sell tickets – no one will want to watch Tebow on the bench – and embarrass and humiliate him the fans will never forgive them.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Please dont, please dont, please dont….. ah who am I kidding, it’s gonna happen.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
i could get behind that. plus it may offset any image issues that getting Vick may create. People still think Vick is a terrible person even though he did his time and learned from it. So drafting Tebow too could help improve the Bills image that will no doubt take a hit. though we still have to deal with Lynch’s constant indiscretions
by NotReadytoRock on Jan 31, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
I also think bringing in Vick
will make T.O. want to come back and finish his career in Buffalo.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Having that convo a little ferther down in the thread, why don’t you join in? ;-)
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Best thing I've heard so far
And that young guy will be whoever we pick at 9
Please the playoffs again in my life time
What does this mean for the draft?
If this would come to pass then could one suggest that a drafted QB would be Brown or Lafavour? I guess Brown would be the preference as he has the better arm and would need 2-3 years to grow and learn the mental aspect.
I love Levi Brown
He’s far and away my favorite QB draft prospect this year. And I personally think he’d do great in buffalo.
Jamarcus Russell v2.0
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 31, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
totally thinking of the wrong guy.............
my bad
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 31, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
For the record I was thinking about Perilloux.....the guy who went from LSU to Jacksonville St....
small school guy…….
How the heck I mixed those two up is beyond me……I must be tired.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 31, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Wonderlic
I have forgotten but do we ever get an official wonderlic score or just leaks? I know Brown’s weakness may be his ability to read defenses but I am hoping he is more McNabb 2.0 than Russell 2.0
They don’t release that information. It’s not even supposed to be leaked.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 31, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Lefevour
I like this kid, he needs 2-3 years to develop but he has a ton of leadership. He also has an NFL arm and is quite mobile.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
His arm is more than fine. His ball flight is perfect. His touch is phenomenal. And he has enough zip to make every throw needed to win a SB.
the arm you just described is a fantastic arm.
but that’s not the arm most scouts are seeing on Lefevour.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
by JPH on Feb 1, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
I am on the Dan Lafavour train right now after wathcing the Senior Bowl...
easily the best QB on the field that day…
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
One thing about Vick
On his current contract he is schedualed to make 5+ million next year. SUre its an optional year, but I’m positive that the eagles will apply the option, if only to get something in return for him.
Personally I am not excited at all at the prospect of having Vick as a Bill. I think he’s overated and lost the magic that made him a star. That being said, if we do acquire him, I would be VERY happy if he proved me wrong.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions
Love it, Love it, Love it.
Sounds like the Bills could get him for almost nothing. When you got nothing you got nothing to lose (pretty sure that’s a lyric to a song I like but can’t think of).
I want to have Buddy Nix's baby.
One positive to acquiring Vick...
Is that TO might actually consider sticking around with a real QB here. As much as I don’t like Vick as a player, he’s still better then whatevery we have right now at QB. And I really liked TO’s attitude with the Bills this year and would love to see him stick around. Maybe getting Vick would do it.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions
I couldn’t agree more. T.O. has it made here. Next year all he would have to do is put up somewhat better stats than this year, and he would sit fine with most Bills fans.
"Security comes from earning it--not seeking it." Marv Levy
Hell he’s already my favorite player on the team.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Is that TO might actually consider sticking around with a real QB here.
Vick isn’t a real QB. He’s Roscoe Parrish’s answer to the QB position.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
Entirely agree. Thats how i see Vick too. But the general perception of Vick is different, so maybe TO will not see it the same way that we do.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
the big name will be good enough for TO
TO just wants attention and somebody who can get him the ball in position to make big plays. Vick brings the spotlight to Buffalo and therefore TO, and he has a cannon and can make plays happen.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
And if I recall correctly when the Eagles traded TO they flirted heavily with the Falcons and the idea of putting Vick and TO together. Might finally happen here.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
can you imagine
how much of a media circus would surround the Bills? Marshawn, TO and Vick would be an unending ESPN story.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Groan
The guy has never been a good passing QB….which is sort of the reason to have a QB on the team. He’s lost a lot of his running ability. What’s left? Maybe he’s a good dancer….
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
Maybe he’s a good dancer….
LOL Think Disney would let him be on DWTS?
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 31, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I read earlier that Tony Dungy, Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb have been making it clear to Vick that if he wants to revive his NFL career he is going to have to transition from a running QB to one who relies mainly on his arm, and that he has been taking that advices very seriously. He does have a cannon of an arm, and if that TD pass he threw in the playoff game against Dallas is any indication he has become more accurate.
People also seem to be assuming he is a lot older than he actually is. He will be 30 during the 2010 season, and since he has now had three years of downtime, so to speak, he has less air on his tires (or wear on his arm) than most other NFL QB’s his age. He could be our starting QB for the next five or six years, leaving the Bills plenty of time to draft and groom an eventual successor. And since he is pretty mobile, he would need less protection than, for example, a Trent Edwards.
I love fake news like this. The Bills will “consider” Vick. I hope they do because it’s their job to consider everybody. You know who else the Bills will consider? Kyle Boller, Jeff Garcia, Daunte Culpepper, Rex Grossman and every other QB on the very short list of available players. For me, this news is completely meaningless. Did anybody think that Buffalo wasn’t going to consider Vick? This is classic ESPN creating news where there really isn’t any.
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Pros/Cons
Getting Vick:
Pros:
- Would help convince T.O. to come back to play with a big name QB
- Lee Evans would re-emerge as the weapon that he is. Vick has a cannon and would be able to get Lee on deep routes. His arm strength, Lee’s ability to get open deep, and Chan Gailey’s play calling would be a good combination in my opinion.
- It would give the Bills offense a real big shot in the arm that it needs.
- May be able to help mask o-line deficiencies.
- Would give the Bills the time they need to fix Tebow’s mechanical issues for years, thus giving them a potential Qb candidate in the second round, freeing up the first round pick. I think Tebow’s stock is going to continue to slide during workouts and Jacksonville won’t be able to pull the trigger on him at 11 when it really comes down to it.
Cons:
- Reduces chances immensely of the Bills aggressively maneuvering to obtain Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford
- Narrows the focus and potential scope of our new offense in one move.
- Its a major gamble that he’s rehabilitated his playing level. Sure he made some explosive plays for the Eagles but I don’t think that translates into being in the game every snap.
- Pacman Jones already announced that Buffalo is apparently the place to be for players that nobody wants because of personal issues, Vick would help that image.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Pacman is interested in playing anywhere, including the CFL. Problem is no one wants him, including the CFL.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
such a waste of talent, huh?
It blows my mind how some of these guys just blow the amazing opportunity and physical gifts they have been given. Its shameful actually.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Agreed. I mean when your caracter issues are so bad that even the CFL’s worst team wont take you, you know your in trouble.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'm refering to
Pacman making a comment last offseason along the line of “Buffalo, thats where its at baby!” When Pacman thinks Buffalo is the place to be, it tells you something about your image.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Pretty good analysis
Couple things to note:
The only receivers that did real well with Vick were TE’s (Crumpler) and other possession receivers (Finneran). Roddy White and Michael Jenkins got better after Vick left. Vick is just not good at putting the ball in a consistantly catchable spot, which is why the bigger receivers to well with him. Maybe it’s good we have Nelson and Hardy? Maybe it’s also good that we only have one good receiver (Evans) for the same reasons.
Vick is well versed in the WC offense. It’s really the best offense for him, and for any scrambling QB (see Steve Young and Donovan McNabb).
Vick would indeed allow us to for BPA in the first. Major benefit.
by Der Jaeger on Jan 31, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Peerless Price’s career died in Atlanta with Mike Vick too. We’d probably see some more plays down the field from Evans, but overall WRs have never been able to put up good numbers playing with Vick.
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I wonder how he'd do with Hardy?
He clicked with Finneran but never did with Jenkins, two big receivers.
We might be better off drafting another TE, and going two TE’s and one back with the way Vick plays…if we acquire Vick, that is.
I think Hardy’s success would be based on whether or not he can learn to work the middle of the field. I think Vick’s lack of field vision leads to him being overly reliant on his TEs over the middle. If Hardy can get open on crossing routes or find soft spots in zones, I think he could be a solid receiver with Vick. And I think two TEs is a great idea of how to get the most out of Vick. The best way to use Vick’s ability is to run the ball and throw short passes to pull the defense in and then beat them over the top with the deep ball. Play cat and mouse all day long by pulling them in and then forcing them back.
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There is more to it.
With a lefty, you need receivers with really good hands, there is a reason there is not more Lefty qb’s in the NFL, for a receiver who has always played with right handers, the opposite spin on the ball comes in to play, with receivers who don’t have sure hands.
When catching balls from a lefty, you don’t have the same instinctint catching the ball with opposite spin, until you’ve done it enough times for it to become instinct, sure handed guys overcome it much more quickly than those who aren’t sure handed.
That is why Roddy White improved so much with Matt Ryan, not because Ryan is better at ball placement, but because Roddy returned to his comfort zone with a righty and didn’t drop as many with Vick due to opposite spin on the ball. I can’t find the article offhand, but I have read one last year, where Roddy admits that is why he had problems hooking up with Vick consistently.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 31, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Never though of the spin direction thing. But it would deffinatly come into play here too.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
good stuff BK
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Spin of the ball? We are talking about professional athletes. If they can’t adjust to the spin of the ball – which stops the moment it comes into contact with its target – then these players don’t deserve to be overpaid athletes. That sounds like an excuse my mom would make.
I bet.
You never caught balls from a Lefty as a receiver.
It makes a difference.
For someone who caught passes from a Righty, it can take 2-4 years from the non sure handed receivers to adjust.
Good hands receivers who attack the ball with their hands can adjust much quicker.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 2, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
If you think that's an excuse.
Not all receivers are drafted for their hands, see Darius Heyward Bay.
If you think what I am saying is bull.
Name me all the Left handed QB’s besides Steve Young who won a superbowl? And name me more than 3 Left handed QBs who made a major impact in the NFL.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 2, 2010 3:14 AM EST up reply actions
You never caught balls from a Lefty as a receiver.
My older brother is left handed. All we did growing up, was play football, basketball, and soccer. He could throw the ball 50 yards and with good velocity. I never once thought, “Gosh, this left handed spin is weird.”
For someone who caught passes from a Righty, it can take 2-4 years from the non sure handed receivers to adjust.
Where are you getting 2 -4 years from? That’s absurd. Maybe the “non sure handed receivers” have a hard time catching the ball because they have poor hands. It doesn’t matter who’s throwing them the ball.
Name me all the Left handed QB’s besides Steve Young who won a superbowl?
You’re funny. Why don’t you look up all the QB’s who have won Super Bowls, and what hand was their dominant hand.
And name me more than 3 Left handed QBs who made a major impact in the NFL.
Ken Stabler, Boomer Esiason, Steve Young, Mark Brunell, Michael Vick,…….
Look, only about 10% of the human race is left handed. Perhaps that has something to do with disparity beween successful righty QB’s vs. successful lefty QB’s.
On second viewing:
Nice choice of format on the comparison. It’s fitting because at points in his life Vick has been both a pro athlete and a convict
vick
when did he get good? great athlete avg qb. never understood the want to have him.
bad qb in the past
because he never studied the game and just learned the playbook somewhat and went out there winging it. He was getting high, fighting dogs and living a crazy southern gangster lifestyle… IF he has changed and the Dungy mentor relationship has rubbed off on him, than redemption and a second chance might be what he needs to become an NFL success story… why not here? He is a good, low risk high reward option… 2 year deal, maybe 3-5 mil a year with escalators…. sounds good to me
Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!
why didn’t they use him more?
Donovan McNabb.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 31, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
no vets have done it and are available at this point…
he was out of the game and presumably has been studying since going to philly, and as MRW puts it, Donovan McNabb kept Philly from using Vick more… although they did use him too much often, and it hurt the teams rhythm. But Andy Reid takes chances and the chips fall as they do…
And he has no more questions than a rookie… but has at least done it, meaning, led a team to a conference championship and division win
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I don't see how Vick and Tebow's running style are similar enough for us to worry about getting Vick
Vick had the ability to run around like a greased pig….Tebow is a battering ram. Am I the only one who thought Tebow looked slow moving around in the pocket at the Senior Bowl? It gave me Bledsoe flashbacks.
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I doubt that would be an issue. He would be more apt to move on with his life than cause a problem in the locker rooom, IMO.
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Yeah, Tebow’s a team guy and he knows the situation he is in. He’s not some ego-run player who is going to cry when the team plays somebody else. He understands how much he has to learn and he’ll work hard until he gets his chance.
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I'm up for it.
Have the Bills ever had a black quarterback start a regular season game? I can’t think of one.
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James Harris—late 60’s early 70’s—pretty sure he started in regular season before going to the Rams
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Attaboy. Started 3 games for the Bills.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 31, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Man I’d love to get those uniforms back.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think that’s Gerry Philbin from University of Buffalo on pass rush for the Jets
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For you young guys—Gerry Philbin was first and maybe only guy to make it big from UB to NFL til current group have started to make some inroads.
by radan on Jan 31, 2010 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thanks for that info
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Harris
Shack Harris was also the first African-American quarterback to go into the season as a starter, and the second black quarterback to ever start a game in the NFL.
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Maybe thats the reason were getting all these old coaches...
Lets say we get pacman and Vick, they can teach them the ways of life!
I can do all things through he whom gives me strength. Philippians 4:13
Good plan
I think getting Vick in as the starter next year for a 6th or 7th would be great value.
I also wouldn’t be opposed to the idea of drafting Tebow, although at number 9 would worry me. If we came away with him, but also sorted out another key position eg. NT, LT then I’d be happier
What about Troy Smith
Vick has not really played a full season since he returned and is getting old. Who really knows how long his legs will last. I remember when he played against Chicago and did not want to play in the cold. Troy Smith is mobile and could be coached, he has much more upside.
Vick is only 29…..boy I guess Brees, Palmer, and Brady are too old to play anymore!
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please
dont try to equate that group to vick
besides Brady, Brees has 3 playoff wins, Vick has two, and Palmer has none.
They are on pretty level basis if you ask me.
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ok
If you were starting a team who would you want to build around? Vick
We aren’t starting a team, we are adding a player, and of all the QB’s available Vick is the best option.
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ding ding ding ding!!
that answer is correct! No one is saying Vick is the best player in the league. We need a QB and he could very well be the best option available for us right now.
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How exactly are we starting a team? 80% of this teams roster will not change. I’m pretty sure starting starts at Zero!
"Security comes from earning it--not seeking it." Marv Levy
80% of this teams roster will not change
That’s only about 10 new players and the Bills have 9 draft picks. In two years, at least half of this roster will be different players. In three years, no more than 25% of the roster will be Jauron leftovers.
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I’m actually hoping that we do a Lions type of house cleaning and only keep around 20 to 25 players of our current roster.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Its a different type of player. Those guys you mentioned are pure passers and are very cerebral.
Vick relies on his legs and his huge arm to get him out of trouble.
you cannot equate them
by BillsfanDan on Jan 31, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Vick
I feel that a 6th and 7th pick is a steal for a proven guy like Vick! Granted he doesn’t have the most accurate arm but I think he has something to prove now. I know a lot of people will probably contest this move, it’d be contested anywhere really. However, Vick is a proven QB with some crazy skills! He knows when to run and is faster than a lot of cornerbacks. Also, about the character issues, everyone in Philly has been saying how great of a person he’s become and how much he’s changed. I honestly used to pick him up in Madden because he was the man. He is a solid QB that I would love to have. I feel that he could start for us for at least 3 year until we find a QB we like, Kellen Moore cough. But, I would really love to see this move happen. I mean come on it’s a steal for a 6th and 7th round pick
The only Vick has proven...
is that he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt…
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Do you really, honestly think.
That Michael Vick and Tim Tebow can be a leader of men. Sell tickets – yes, flatter the media – yes, give a few handfull of fans their dream – yes, provide a different identity to the organization – yes, but there is no way neither of these two will ever be a leader of men. Let’s hope this never happens. I wish no harm or negativity to either of these two people but we are talking about our Buffalo Bills and we need a leader that will command followers, not divide locker rooms.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
by VanScottM on Jan 31, 2010 6:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
what?
but there is no way neither of these two will ever be a leader of men
Ummmmmmmmm, Tebow was a great leader of men this season and every other season in college.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Agreed, it’s the one thing at I actually like about Tebow, he’s a fantastic leader.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
yaaaaa
you said something nice about Tebow!!!!! Ha!
Ok, to be fair I’ll say something mean about Poz: sometimes his long blond hair looks feminine. There I said it.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
LOL! But I actually like his hair! It looks great on him… he just needs a bit of facial hair, thats all.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
a beard would be dope
and off the topic, I’m watching ESPNs pregame to the Pro Bowl and Cris Carter just smacked TO down for his comment that if he had played with the QBs Jerry Rice did he would be close to his numbers.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
just as a reminder
“I’m sorry. I’m extremely sorry. We were hoping for an undefeated season. That was my goal, something Florida has never done before. I promise you one thing, a lot of good will come out of this. You will never see any player in the entire country play as hard as I will play the rest of the season. You will never see another player push his team as hard as I will push everybody the rest of the season. You will never see a team play harder than we will the rest of the season.”
That VanScott, is leading men.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Not just saying it.....but the fact that he actually was able to help make it happen
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thats the best part about it..........
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 31, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Joe...Come on, man
but the fact that he actually was able to help make it happen
If he had acutally made it happen, as you said, then he would have had never said that. They lost, so he had to say something that made him look good…how is that making it happen? That is like losing the a race by coming in second and then claiming that you won because you beat everyone who came in behind you…
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Keep the quotes coming.
This quote came after thier lone loss in a game they were supposed to win, unfortunately, College is over. The NFL is totally different, huge as in miles and miles apart. You are surrounded by players who have been there and done that. Players that become professional football players first and foremost. QB’s that utilize the talent on the entire team, not centered around their own skills. These two men have yet to do this, and I personally don’t believe they have it within them.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
that is a different argument....now if you had said that leading Pros is different from leading college kids you might have had a point
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
Thats what everyone is talking about.
Vick and Tebow in Buffalo, thanks, don’t see how that gets us anywhere.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
I agree with you VanScottM...
I fail to see how leading a bunch of kids who are the same age or younger than you is the same as leading a team of veterans who have already done what he says he wants to do…you cannot lead if you have never done what the people you are leading have already accomplished…
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
how can you say that
you said Tebow will never be a leader of men and he has already proven that he is a great leader of men. If you are taking about the NFL, I still don’t think its fair to say he will never do it. Sure its full of guys who have been there done that, thats why rookie QBs have to earn their respect. To totally discount Tebow’s ability to lead, after all we’ve seen in college, just can’t be a fair assessment. We have no idea what kind of NFL leader he will become but there are strong indications the guy has the character and psyche required to do it.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Agreed.....the last thing I would be worried about is his ability to lead in the NFL.
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
Im pretty much in the leadership business professionally
And I’d assess that Tebow is a tremendous leader.
He knows that he can’t come in and be the 2008-2009 Tebow his rookie year. He wasn’ the 2008-2009 Tebow during 2006, when he was a freshman. You’re selling the kid short if you think that he’s going to come in and expect to act the same.
QB’s that utilize the talent on the entire team, not centered around their own skills.
If this is a Vick comment, then it holds some merit. With Tebow it holds none, as he’s shown no indication of struggling with this. 2007: young talent, so Tebow steps up and takes charge of the offense. 2008: Tebow becomes more a part of the offense and less a one-man show as players like Harvin, Murphy, and Hernandez improve. Prove’s in the stats. So this won’t be an issue.
No Poz, I have to disagree
That VanScott, is leading men.
Your quote is from Tebow talking about leading boys (or young men maybe), not grown men. HUGE difference.
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Really hoping the Bills are smart enough
to stay away from Vick, who has NEVER shown he can pass accurately. Forget the social issues; the fact is he’s strictly a runner which is great for college ball but not the NFL. The Bills need a pro PASSER.
bleh
Count me amongst the totally non-interested. No more half-@ssing it at the QB position. Draft a franchise QB and groom him to be great. Don’t settle for has-been’s and never were’s.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
they just interviewed DeSaun Jackson during the Pro Bowl
and they asked him about the three starting caliber QBs they have and which one of the three they will keep and it sounded like Jackson thinks its not a sure thing to be McNabb. Of course this is just a young reciever but if the Eagles go with Kolb, which would make the most sense, McNabb has to be on our trade radar.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Even more important?
Chucky said that the Eagles will never trade him to an NFC team like the Vikes or Cards, who have a chance of knocking them out of the playoffs. I hate to get to excited, but I would love to get McNabb if the price was right.
"Do you even hear how totally bat sh!t insane you sound?" - Archer
Me too! And to add to the fire, I`ve read a few reports that the young players on the Eagles go more to Kolb than they do to McNabb for advice. I don`t care what Andy Reid said, I do think that McNabb is available for the right prie, although I do not think that they will shop him around.
Any one else think that our second rounder would do it? Maybe throw in next year`s 3rd.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
i think Lynch and a 4th would do it
or maybe a 3rd and 5th. I wouldn’t give up our 2nd in this good draft.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I would do Lynch and a 4th....throw in Roscoe and Trent
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we'd also have to turn to Hardy
because TO would not resign hahaha
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I`ll take a franchise QB over TO any day!
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
that is huge
opens up a lot of options for Buffalo to get in there. Oakland, Buffalo, Cleveland seem like biggest competitors for him in that situation.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I`d throw in Arizona as well. I just saw on pre-pro bowl NFL network coverage that in the offseason McNabb lives in Arizona. Not only that but Ken Whisenhunt literaly live 3 doors down from McNabb. I hate to burs everyone`s boble, but I`m seeing a McNabb for Boldin trade in the very near future.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
i just can not see that
the Eagles would be crazy to give a quarterback to a very dangerous playoff team that just lost theirs. The Cards are done until they get QB figured out and the Eagles would just be hurting themselves by doing that.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
True enough. But McNabb only has one year left on his contrat. I’m honestly seeing him end up there either way.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
McNabb
I’d be shocked if Philly traded McNabb this offseason. My old college roommate works on the coaching staff for the Eagles and according to him, Philly;s plan is to have McNabb play out his last year on his contract in 2010. Presumably, McNabb would hit free agency and get a last big contract and the Eagles would have Kolb ready to step in…we’ll see, but I’m definitely under the impression that Vick is the only Eagles QB whomis going anywhere this offseason unless McNabb demands an extension (and at this point, he hasn’t made waves about it). Also, Dick Jauron is close to joining Bobby April on Andy Reid’s staff (DB coach?)…the Eagles and Bills seem to interact more than one would think at first glance.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
trade your entire draft for Vick
well, don’t go that crazy, but I think Vick has turned it around and knows he has to invest himself in order to play. That’s what he told me over mojitos the other night.
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Wait wait wait, you support Tebow, but you hate the idea of Vick? Why?
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
its an coded equation duh!
it is a list of how many drinks the average Bills fan has each game of the season. Notice how it goes up as each week passes and the fan realizes that this season will not be different than the one before.
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lol, then it’s missing the final part of the season:
53
65
78
ER
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Two more days!
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 1, 2010 5:56 AM EST up reply actions
Vick? Really?
Has it gotten that bad? I’m sitting here looking at Vick’s career stats and I’m thinking, what do those stats look like if you take away the 2006 season? The Bills tossed 17 touchdowns this year, the only time Vick has done that was in the aforementioned season when he threw 20. If you’re going to pick this guy up, you aren’t getting the 2006 Michael Vick, you’re getting a guy that’s only marginally better than he was last year — a sideshow. Sure, between rushing and passing he scored 24 TD’s in ‘02 and 21 in ’05, but he isn’t going to be that guy in 2010, if ever again. I’d rather go after a Chad Pennington, who’s been better over his career than any QB we’ve had in a while. I’d sooner give Trent Edwards one more crack than I would Michael Vick. The money we would have to pay Vick could be spent more usefully. Maybe, and this is just a crazy thought, the Bills could improve their offensive line and would then no longer have a need for an extremely mobile quarterback. Just a thought. Besides, what happened to not wanting flashy signs? That’s all Vick would be. If we are going for productivity over flash, Vick is the last “quarterback” out there to sign.
by tlama2517 on Feb 1, 2010 12:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't agree more
I had to stop reading these comments, much like the Tebow thread. Vick isn’t an inaccurate quarterback, he’s a HORRIBLY inaccurate quarterback. Or more aptly, he’s not a quarterback, he’s an athlete with a cannon arm, poor accuracy and no decision-making skills. Except now he’s older, so he isn’t as much of an athlete as he was in his one-season heyday.
A Vick signing would be more of a sideshow than the TO signing, since TO, while a waste on the team they signed him for, is at least a quality WR.
I’d like to say to the unfortunate mass of folks who think that Vick and/or Tebow are good ideas – Please tell me the last time a NFL team had any sustained success with a quarterback whose running ability trumped his throwing ability? A mobile quarterback – that you can win with. A Running back taking snaps? It doesn’t work in the NFL. Defenses are too fast and too well-coached for it be sustainable.
Tebows running ability doesnt trump his throwing ability
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Feb 1, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
LOL...
Tebow has a throwing disability
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I prefer Vick over McNabb & Kobb
Never been a huge Vick fan, never found that he was particularly smart. I cannot deny his pure athletic ability including his canon arm. My problem with him was mostly the fact that he seemed so full of himself that there was no room to admit that he needed to work hard to improve, he seemed quite content to coast on his natural scary abilities. I think prison & bankruptcy has brought him back down to earth and I suspect that he understands the second chance he’s been afforded and I think that attitude adjustment will help him develop into a better QB.
The way I figure it, there’s not that much risk because even the dumb Vick that was predominantly a glorified Wildcat back, was much better than noodle arm Edwards and inconsistent Fitzy.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
McNabb is past his prime and too much of a system QB
Kobb really hasn’t proven anything yet, people talk like he’s another Schaub but he hasn’t done anything substancial to prove it or give any solid indication of it.
a 6th or 7th for a guy like Vick makes sense.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
nice.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Aww because od deletions comment 300 is only comment 226. This makes me sad :(
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 1, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
horrible horrible
this would be a horrible move…should not be done!!!!!!!
we need to improve the o-line and better play calling, fitz or edwards can still lead this team to a winning record and possible playoffs…forget the dog killer and teabag….
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