Stockpiling Draft Picks
by UZ on Jan 4, 2010 12:10 AM EST
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PrintI think the easiest way to get the Bills back into contention is to use the Patriots' old method; stockpiling draft picks.
I've been trying to think who the Bills could trade and what they might be worth to other teams, if they got draft picks for them all. I've come up with three so far...
* Aaron Schobel - 2nd-3rd round pick
* Marshawn Lynch - 4th-6th round pick
* Trent Edwards - 3rd-5th round pick
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(The high rounds for those are the optimistic ideas if a team is really that desperate.)
If the Bills could manage to get an extra pick in the 1st-3rd rounds it will help immensely. And like Nix said, the best way to make a team better is to have a bunch of people on the team. The more new faces show up, the better the chances that a star will emerge and the better the chances that the competition will make all the players better.
What other players am I missing that they could potentially trade for here?
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Trading Lynch for that is not helpful
It’s only worth trading him if we get a 2nd or a 3rd and change.
The Pats stockpile picks by trading down too. That’s the best way to do it.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Good point, but some people want to get rid of Lynch so bad that they’d probably gladly accept a 4th rounder and a 7th for him or something.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Jan 4, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see the point of trading Lynch
It would be selling low which rarely makes sense. You need more than one quality running back in today’s NFL so why trade him and then use a pick on another running back? It’s better to A) see if he can get back close to where he was in 07 and 08 and then possibly get good value for him next offseason or B) see if the new coaching staff can turn Lynch and Jackson into a dynamic tandem rather than just using them interchangeably.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 4, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
Wildcat!!!
They both run, catch, and pass well, so these guys are not being utilized the way they shouldbe. With both of them on the field, they should be more effective than Ronnie Brown and Rickey Williams. New offensive coordinator should figure that out.
Yep. If the best the Bills can do at 9th is Trent Williams (so McShay claims), then I’d be VERY inclined to trade down – despite McClain being likely available there – to grab a third or even another second next year, from whoever is trying to grab themselves a Tebow, Mallet or Bradford.
Not sure what Nix’s history is with trading down in SD, or if that’s something he believes in as a GM.
Hard to say dump Schobel before we know the D scheme, but in theory I’m not opposed to it in order to clear some cap space (why not Stroud too?), let go of Parrish, Edwards (he’ll be going into his last year on his rookie deal, I think?) and a few other guys. I’m ambivalent on TO, but I don’t think Lee Evans is a legitimate #1 WR in this league.
Having 9-10 picks in this draft and another 9-10 next year is a huge asset, esp going into an ‘uncapped’ season when we can underpay rooks. Plus, the more picks you have, the easier it is to target a player you want (able to move around a lot by dangling extra picks to move up) then just grabbing whoever is best on the board and pulling your hair out as the team right in front of you takes the guy you want and there is nothing to do about it.
you really think
we would ever in a million years get a better pick for Trent Edwards then for Marshawn Lynch?
You really think any team would be insane enough to give up a 3rd rounder for Trent Edwards, a guy who lost his job to Ryan Fitzpatrick??
We also got Stroud for a 3rd and 5th, I highly doubt we will get Schobel for a 2nd.
The bottom line is this, every off-season we as fans tend to excited about the draft and how it can help us restock our team. We tend to forget that you cant just trade away your current players for more picks and replace them with rookies. Most rookies that go in the 1st round have a minimal impact on their teams the first year, let alone ever. The odds go down with each passing rounds.
As Kurupt noted above the Pats stock piile 2nd and 3rd rounders by trading down and giving up 1st round picks not players.
So lets think more realistically about the picks we’ d get for the guys you mentioned.
Would you give up Marshawn for a 4th or 5th rounder? I would not.
Would you give up Schobel for a 3rd and 6th rounder? I bet most of you would. I wouldn’t.
Would you give up Trent Edwards for a 6th rounder (at best)? I wouldn’t.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Why not?
Would you give up Schobel for a 3rd and 6th rounder? I bet most of you would. I wouldn’t.
It’s unlikely he plays for more than a year or two anyhow. If someone offered that, the Bills have to take it.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
well a few reasons
I can only see teams that believe they are near being Super Bowl contenders making a play to add Schobel for just a few seasons. That leave teams with very good records who were likely in the playoffs. So that makes the third closer to a fourth rounder. It would be late in the round.
Another reason is that this team is young and will have a new coach. I want that coach to have tough, hard working vets at his disposal to help him show the young guys how to do things right.
Finally, who would we start at DE with Maybin?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I can only see teams that believe they are near being Super Bowl contenders making a play to add Schobel for just a few seasons. That leave teams with very good records who were likely in the playoffs. So that makes the third closer to a fourth rounder. It would be late in the round.
Of course those are the only teams that would consider Schobel. I don’t see that as a problem. Big deal, we get a draft pick that’s 10-15 slots lower than our own in those rounds.
Finally, who would we start at DE with Maybin?
Aren’t we going to be asking that question either this offseason or one of the next two anyway?
If we can get a solid pick or two for Schobel, why wouldn’t we do it? The guy is likely to retire before going through another rebuild anyhow.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I agree
If we could get a 3 and a 6 for Schobel, I’d take it in a heartbeat, why risk retirement and getting nothing, rather than trading him to a team who feels he is the piece they need to make a run.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 4, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
ok with this
but not Lynch, don’t agree with trading him at all unless you got a 1st
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
some people spend WAY WAY WAY too much time playing Madden..........
the real NFL doesnt work like Madden.
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 4, 2010 10:58 AM EST reply actions
1st or nothing
we dint pay any money for marshawn so to trade is stupid you cant get anything for shobel because retirement is close edwards has been wrecked no one will want him as for stock piling trading down is what you do unless you want rolando mclain or sam bradford or jimmy clausen
by goodberry on Jan 4, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with your thinking in terms of strategy
But I don’t think any of those picks are realistic scenarios.
Nobody has brought up Roscoe Parrish…I could maybe see someone parting with a 5th or 6th round pick for him.
That would have happened already
if it was remotely possible
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I think it’s easier to trade guys in the offseason though. But I wouldn’t expect more than a 7th this year or a conditional pick in the 2011 draft. If guys like Troy WIlliamson and Ko Simpson can get traded, I think Roscoe can too.
I signed up for Second Life about a year ago. Back then my life was so great that I literally wanted a second one. In my Second Life I was also a paper salesman and I was also named Dwight. Absolutely everything was the same. Except I could fly. - Dwight Schrute
stockpiling draft picks like the pats
Do you pay any attention to the draft the pats usually get picks for the next draft year.To give up a semi quality RB now for a future draft is not a good idea.How about trading some of the WR we have except Lee,Josh,and Steve Jhonson
Lynch is not only a "Semi quality" back, he is a "quality bruising" back
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 4, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
I absolutly agree in light of all the lynch haters is the reason i said that as i mentioned in a previous post you need two beasts and we have them now so why mess up a good thing. we have other players that arent producing and need replacing
"lynch haters" is a rather pretentious way of describing this group.
did we have 2 beasts at the beginning of the year? no. its because for the second off-season in a row Lynch screwed up. the sooner we dump Lynch, the sooner some team can give us a draft pick for a player that will be suspended all next year.
we don’t hate Lynch. we’re just more in tune with the reality of the situation. week 1 of next year, Lynch won’t be playing for the Bills.
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 4, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
its a bit presumptious to say he will suspended all next year
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 4, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
before he's been arrested twice in two offseasons or after?
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 4, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
just saying. Dont call someone pretentious then shoot back with a presumptious statement.
Its also pretty weird that you think its a guarantee that he will be suspended all year and then presume a team will give us a draft pick. If its a sure thing we won’t get any picks, if its not then your statement is incorrect. Either way, lets say you are right. Then your point on getting rid of him for picks doesn’t hold water. Unless you want to dump Marshawn for a 5th.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Jan 4, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Calling people “haters”, who want Lynch to be traded because he has two strikes, is pretentious.
Me being presumptuous that he’ll be suspended does nothing to lessen this fact. The level of the hypothetical posters pretentiousness is not correlated to my presumptuousness.
Am I presumptuous he’ll be suspended? You bet so. Does that mean some team looking for a RB is thinking the same thing? Not necessarily. As it stands, I am not a representative of another team looking for a running back with my eye on Lynch, ergo this does hold water that we could potentially get pick(s) for him. In the scenario I was talking about, Lynch would be traded before trouble “found him”. Obviously it’s not after he’s been suspended.
my presumptious pretentious usage was not intended to imply correlation
they just both start with “p” so i get if it sounded like I was trying to make that correlation.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
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