PFT: Harbaugh a candidate for Bills job
Mike Florio at ProFootballTalk.com is reporting - and confirming speculation - that current Stanford head coach Jim Harbaugh is a "stealth" candidate for the Buffalo Bills' head coaching job, as well as a prospective opening in Oakland.
That makes the second "stealth" candidate on Buffalo's list, as it's been reported by ESPN that the Bills had a "stealth" meeting with Bill Cowher last week.
Harbaugh, 46, has six years' worth of head coaching experience in the college ranks, where he turned around the program at San Diego (29-6 record in three years) and has since done the same at Stanford in one of the nation's power conferences, the Pac-10 (17-20 overall, but 8-5 in '09 with a close loss to national power Oklahoma in the Sun Bowl). Interest in Harbaugh has not cooled despite the fact that he received a three-year contract extension through 2014. He interviewed for the New York Jets' opening a year ago, which eventually went to Rex Ryan.
We're not likely to hear much more on this front unless Harbaugh's candidacy becomes very serious, as he's in the middle of recruiting season out west. His candidacy in Oakland is apparently legit despite the fact that Tom Cable remains that team's head coach.
Buffalo officials are in Minneapolis today interviewing Vikings assistant head coach and defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier.
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What are we - ninja's now?
Nix – stealth. Cowher – Stealth. Harbaugh – Stealth.
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As long as it is the Buffalo Ninjas and not the LA Ninjas, I’ll be OK with it
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You Know...
The more candidates that “pop” up, the less likely Billick or Cowher or Shottenheimer are coming this way. Just when you think the Bills actually know whats going on.
by unBILLievable JJP on Jan 7, 2010 3:30 PM EST reply actions
There are being thorough what’s wrong with that? I think it’s a good thing.
Cowher is not going anywhere for the time being so why rush into things? What if Harbaugh would impress the socks off of everyone and would turn out to be the best choice? By interviewing more guys, it makes it way more clear who to chose.
Nothing left to say...
If Cowher wants in, he’ll find the Bills. The Bills shouldn’t seem like a needy puppy. I’m getting so sick of this coach stuff.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 7, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
What's with all the cloak and dagger stuff?
I like what Harbaugh could do with the QB and I think he was there when Trent was there as well so I’m not sure if that’s a good or bad thing. But I think recent news has shown just because you’re a good college coach, it doesn’t always transfer to the pros (I’ll abstain from making a list). Would he come as an OC? Probably not after interviewing for the HC position.
just FYI............
He got there right after Trent graduated…….His first year coaching was 2007 at Stanford…….right as Trent was being drafted by the Bills.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 7, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yay! Where’s norcal to celebrate?
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
he’s a ninja – you can’t see ninja’s unless they want to be seen
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by J2 on Jan 7, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
“the ninjas must have come up right behind me really fast and like put in all this candy”
Thank you Onion!!!
by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 7, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
lol........
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 7, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think the Bills
will shell out $5-6 million for Cowher, and don’t think any coach is worth that amount. REgardless, I still think that you need a good G.M. that can draft well, especially with a small market team.
I think Cowher is well worth the amount that it would cost. Not only does the guy know how to do it, he’s done it. The guy is a supposedly a great teacher and the biggest factor that he brings to the table is instant credibility. When we are trying to get top FAs, having a Coaher in place sure would help as opposed to a newly promoted unproven coordinator – for this reason alone, Cowher is worth the money.
Nothing left to say...
by keysh67 on Jan 7, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
They have already stated they would the $10mil a year he wants...
Looking for the link…
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 8, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
The 10M a year was for Shanahan. Shanny just signed for 7M in Washington. I don’t think we’ll have to pay more than 7.5.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
PFT Link below:
A source close to Cowher (take it for what you will)…
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/23/bills-contact-bill-cowher/
Not so much a statement from OBD as much as reported compensation…
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 8, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Did Harbaugh and Jim Kelly kiss and make up? Harbaugh Lands, but He’s Out for the Count
most of my posts get deleted :(
Who cares what Jim Kelly thinks.
Harbaugh has some fire to him which I like, in addition to the resume. How can you not like going for 2 points up 27 against USC?
I mentioned in the Peter King fan post that there’s a lot of reasons why a coach would choose somewhere else to be head coach than Buffalo. But I think that Oakland would definitely be a step down from Buffalo.
Kelly v. Harbaugh
I’ve been wondering if this would factor in…
They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
- Mike Lombardi on the Buffalo Bills
Who cares what Jim Kelly thinks.
Since he’s been named as a member of a group that supposedly is trying to buy the post-Wilson Bills, what Kelly thinks may carry some weight. just saying. Besides that, it was just an excuse to bring up a funny incident from the past.
most of my posts get deleted :(
He was at the Buddy Nix press conference. He was on the sidelines against the Colts. He’s the most visible former Bill out there.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 7, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Well as much as I would personally LOVE Harbaugh to come to the Bills.........
I honestly dont think he’s going anywhere……Theres really no reason to leave Stanford for Buffalo……..He’s the MAN there…….he doesnt really have to answer to anyone and he gets to do whatever he wants…..he has TOTAL control of the program there. I think he wants to win the Pac-10 before he picks up and leaves…..
Just from the way I hear him talk in interviews about the job there at Stanford and what he wants to do……..
But money does indeed talk……right now he’s gonna be making about 1.25 mil a year at Stanford……so he would have to get a significant raise I think to leave the program.
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 7, 2010 3:49 PM EST reply actions
another plus to Harbaugh........
the only coach to beat Pete Carrol’s Trojans at their house the last 5 years………and he did it TWICE.
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 7, 2010 3:51 PM EST reply actions
Great news!
Outisde of Cowher and Marty, Harbaugh is a close third on my list.
After that, the excitment level drops considerably.
This is good news to me!
John I.
Yes Please
If you know for sure that Cowher and Marty are not interested then you have to move quickly for this guy if he is interested. Two reasons if it lingers the Bills look bad for not being sympathetic to the college recruiting issues. Second, he has NFL experience by playing QB in it and head coaching experience at the college level. Maybe most importantly experience turning things around at two places. If you van land this guy do it.
by audthoughts on Jan 7, 2010 3:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Glad to hear it
This guy is a great motivator and no nonsense; exactly what the Bills need. I’m holding out hope for someone with winning NFL experience like Marty or Cowher, but I’d take Jim over Brian Billick any day. Without one of the best defenses in the history of the NFL his teams would have all been mediocre.
I'll repeat my concerns about Harbaugh.
I like Harbaugh, but how much of our support for him is for what he did at stanford, and how much is because his brother is a good football coach? Im just not sure he’s earned the right to be in the discussion. 17-20 as a D-1A head coach? Call me in 3 years.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
they were 16-40 the 5 years prior...........to Harbaughs arrival.......
if that doesnt say something……….I dunno what does.
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 7, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He also turned around San Diego prior to Stanford.
And it’s not just his brother that’s a coach, his father has been a coach forever.
Three years from now you might be kicking yourself because you worried Harbaugh didn’t have enough experience and he’s off successfully coaching another NFL team.
Like the zillions of other coaches that handle the jump to the pros with absolute ease?
Spurrier saban kiffin…. The list goes on and on. It’s not that he hasn’t done a good job. He has. It’s that the job he’s doing is entirely different than the one he’s interviewing for.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Jan 8, 2010 1:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What about successful guys like Tom Coughlin, Jimmy Johnson, Barry Switzer, Bill Walsh…. the list goes on.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Florio also
reporting Mangini staying in Cleveland. That might again heat up Cowher talk. There was some reporting that Holmgren wanted Fox if he decided to leave the lame duck year in Carolina. That would have opened door for Cowher in Carolina. Now another 2010 door has closed, so, failing a change in Dallas, the chances of landing Cowher might have improved.
I'm not greatly enthused by Harbaugh.
He’s no Jimmy Johnson. Also apparently contract extensions by NCAA schools aren’t really worth the paper there printed on are they.
I mentioned Harbaugh
in the Dick Jauron is Fired thread, and I maintain that he would be my top choice for the position. If we’re looking at a long-term success option and building from the ground up, Harbaugh, in my opinion is the correct option. He’s young, fiery, and has a (admittedly limited and short) history of turning teams from losers to winners (or, at least, above mediocrity). I know everyone uses this example, but I think he could be our Mike Tomlin. It’s a different situation because the Steelers weren’t perennial losers like the Bills are, but with the comparisons I just mean that he’s a young coach with an identity that he can bring to the table and sustain for years to come.
As soon as I mentioned Jimmy H. before, I got shot down with people saying that he’s going to take an extension to stay at Stanford. While I’m not denying that it’s unlikely he will come to Buffalo, because I still think it qualifies as such, he’s now on the top of my list as far as candidates that have been mentioned to have ties with us.
New List:
Harbaugh
Bill Cowher
Marty Schotty
Leslie Frazier
Brian Schotty
Perry Fewell
my list:
Cowher
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Billick
Harbaugh
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by J2 on Jan 7, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
boy wouldnt that be fun........
our community coaching this team?
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 7, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
polls – we’d use polls.
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by J2 on Jan 7, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
alright guys – it’s 2nd and 8 from the 39. who wants to run? o.k. now what direction? o.k. now what running back? delay of game…crap.
o.k. guys it’s 2nd and 13 from the 34………..
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by J2 on Jan 7, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
poll
run 0
pass 0
punt 0 (oh wait Jauron is gone)
3rd on my list
My list:
Cowher
Martz
Harbaugh
Marty
Frazier
Fewell
Lil Marty (Brian)
No way.....
to Mike Martz. In my opinion he would ruin a team as a head coach. Its been proven. He is an excellent offensive coordinator though. Thats all!!
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~
excellent?
yeah he has really done wonders in recent past… Look at all them great draft picks in detroit and how in the world has he still not found a way to take advantage of the ridiculous talent in SF? probably because he has the world’s most difficult system and doesn’t have Kurt Warner (or any other ridiculously experienced individual) to run it. his only real success was with the Rams for the “greatest show on turf” era, where he was the Head Coach. not the O coordinator
FS Jairus Byrd- Pro Bowl Rookie
Martz wasn’t responsible for drafts in detroit, he was a coordinator, sure he must have had some input (calvin johnson) but he obviously wasnt in complete control.
Look at the post-martz detroit offense compared to the martz detroit offense.
8-8 to 0-16
Not saying it was all because he left, but im sure it had a major impact…
i find it hard to believe that they drafted wr after wr 1st in the draft with only “some” input from martz. you need a lot of wr to run his offense, and he likes big bodies with speed. so those are gonna go early, and because they DID prioritize that position, and DID draft number one wr after number one wr, i put that squarely on him. that said CJ is great. but one man does not a team make.
FS Jairus Byrd- Pro Bowl Rookie
Martz was in Detroit for 2 years
The only WR they picked early was Calvin Johnson and I highly doubt it was because of Martz. He was the most talented player in the 2007 draft.
Again, Martz was only the OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR. He wasn’t making any sort of draft decisions, probably had little to no input and definitely had no part in the organization when they were drafting Chaz Rogers, Roy Williams and Mike Williams. You’re completely off if you try putting any of that on him when he wasn’t even part of that franchise at the time.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Im right there with you Nick. If we can’t get Cowher I had also mentioned Jim. I firmly believe he could bring the fire to this team that we haven’t seen in a very long time. Well, lets just narrow it down…about 10-11 years. :-)
There were rumors that he would sign that extension, maybe he has (I am not positive on that), but a chance for him to be a HC in the nfl. I believe that would be something he and Bills fans alike would enjoy.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~
I'm for it
if he ships Marshawn back to the Bay (Raiders) for Michael Bush
Or if he brings Toby Gerhardt with him
I'm against it.
And my main reason is the track records that college coaches have when jumping to the pro’s. He may be the exception to the rule but were not the franchise who can gamble on him.
I might have to take a look comparing coordinators success to college coaches success. It’s a crapshoot no matter what.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 7, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
There was a nice article in the recent Sporting News about college coaches "turning pro"
…and how they’ve had little to no success recently. Butch Davis was the most successful of the last seven guys who’ve taken the route, if that tells you anything.
They only listed three who’ve had any real success making the jump in the past 25 years…Jimmy Johnson, Bobby Ross and Dennis Green.
They list Jim Harbaugh as the mostly likely to jump next and two NFL GM’s seem to think he’d work out well.
I wish I could provide a link to the article, but apparently the Sporting News doesn’t have their magazine articles online anywhere….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
By the way, the article is called School's Out by Steve Greenberg
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Thanks. Most of the guys I’m thinking of were a while ago. Bill Walsh, Johnson, Tom Coughlin (did he have a DC stop along the way or something?), Barry Switzer…
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Lets face it...
Teams that need a head coach
1. Buffalo
2. Bucs (Maybe)
3. Dallas (Maybe)
If anyone really wants to coach in the NFL, we currently are the ONLY team who is officially looking for a new coach
I can do all things through he whom gives me strength. Philippians 4:13
Given our Rodney Dangerfield imitation this year, maybe Ralph knew what he was doing keeping DJ around for a year. Imagine the scenario of us competing with 12 other teams for a HC.
by radan on Jan 7, 2010 5:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Wade wins this week, he keeps the job.
Also, not sure how much he would want to work for Jerry if he really wants a big say in how the team is run, with Jerry in town, can’t do that.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
I really like Jim Harbaugh
and think he’d make a great HC for the Bills. However, my biggest concern is regarding his ability to attract top notch coordinators and assistants to accompany him. Doubtful that he’s developed a lot of NFL coaching personnel connections while coaching college ball. Maybe he’d rely on Buddy Nix to find his assistants, I’d be o.k. with that.
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Forget the head coach. Who is the Strength and conditioning coach?
We had 5 more players on IR than Tampa – the most in the league by far. It seems like the last few years we have had a lot of injuries. This year the teams with the least amount of injuries all made the playoffs.
Maybe half our starters were out for a significant amount of time. How can you expect to win with 2nd and 3 teamers?
21 on IR, which is a Bills record and maybe an NFL record
For instance the Browns had 12 guys go on IR, but of those 9 happened on gameday and were of the freak accident variety, alot of ours seemed to be avoidable stuff. I like their Strength and Conditioning coach and staff (partly because I know the head of the program) but they rarely get those weird little injuries like our guys do. Too bad it looks like Mangini will be staying, we might have had a shot at Tom Myslinski to run our S and C program. Then again, Tom has survived one regime change, he probably would survive a Mangini firing too.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
You’ve got to have a head coach before you have a strength and conditioning coach.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 7, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
I rarely disagree with you
but I gotta here… Rusty Jones survived a few HCs in his stay with the Bills…
My point was that a head coach hired Jones the first time, not a GM. Bobby April survived a regime change, too.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 7, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Only about a month or so........
behind what I said. I sure wish I could find where I wrote that about a month ago. I said that if we couldn’t get the likes of a Bill Cowher that we should go for a young, up and coming coach by the name of Jim Harbaugh. I loved his fire as a player and I love it even more as a coach. Thats what our guys need in my opinion.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~
Clayton on GR pushing Marty HC, Brian OC combo.
by radan on Jan 7, 2010 5:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Clayton is a wind bag. Talks just to talk. I dont think it would be a good fit for the Bills.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~
No way.....
I would hate to see Marty here as HC. I just dont see him getting the job done. Just another recycled coach in my opinion.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~
How so? Prove to me that he is a better fit than anyone out there? If he is so great, why isn’t he coaching now? To me, he is just another recycled coach.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~
i am not saying he is better than anyone out there. i think cowher is a better coach. but he isn’t a realistic option. thus, i rather take shottenheimer, who’s got a history of success and putting good teams together, than the other candidates.
But just another guy who “could” get you to the 1st rnd of playoffs “at best”. How is that great? I would rather go with a proven guy like Cowher, Billick or go with a young guy like a Jim Harbaugh who would bring all the fire that this organization needs.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~
Ummm, since we haven't SNIFFED the playoffs in 10 years, I would take Marty if we were guranteed to get there 3 out 4 years he was here
Just saying……
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
I like Harbaugh better also, but given Nix/Marty connection I think it’s more probable and could live with it. Regardless we have the “pick of the litter” and if we screw it up it will be very revealing about FO and Bills reputation in the league. Nix better be good cause he’s not getting much help from Russ and Ralph.
by radan on Jan 7, 2010 6:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Schottenheimer’s career: 200-126-1 (.612)
Billick’s career: 80-64 (.555)
You’re entitled to your opinion on Schottenheimer, of course, but I find it strange that you consider Billick to be a considerable upgrade to Marty.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 7, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
my only guess is because of this:
Billick – 5 W, 3 L, in the playoffs
Schotty – 5 W, 13 L in the playoffs (across 3 franchises)
It's the same offense
I mean Myer might work harder but theres no way his scheme succeeds in the NFL.
it is not the same offense
i dont know whether urban can succeed or not, but steve and urban run diff offenses
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 7, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
ok well then all offense are basically the same then
because you are either gonna run or pass it. trust me urbans spread and steves run and shoot are different. you would know if you saw both
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 7, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
yea and i get hell about it almost everywhere i go
im a red sox fan too. no one can comprehend why i like who i like
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Jan 7, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Red Sox Nation!!
They have a great blog site at “Over the Monster”
"Next time I get the opportunity I am going to hold on and make a better decision." ~ Leodis McKelvin. (Can't ask for anythitng more than that)
yea they do
i have to say the bills site, the lakers site and the red sox site are all grade A blogs.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Jan 8, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
just because spurrier failed, doesn’t mean other college coaches will, too. maybe he can run it better. maybe he can install a new offense. you cannot deny the fact he’s been successful at every program he’s been at.
I've watched them play
Myer’s offense and Spurriers offense are a lot a like. Unless of course you think the QB option makes Myer’s Offense significantly different then Spurriers.
i think
a pass first vs a run first offense makes the offenses a lot different
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 7, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Why do i have a feeling that we will not be happy when we actually have someone?
I have little to nop faith in the decision making in this orginization right now and the Nix hiring did not help
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
It's not that i don't like Nix,
i don’t like how quick it was done and that there where no interviews
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Either Billick or Harbaugh at this point
would be great. Marty’s the ideal but it’s just not happening, eh?
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
The Department of Defense has just announced that....
…. they have given the Buffalo Bills a new prototype “Stealth Interviewing Coaches Keg” (SICK) that will allow all sub-par coaching candidates like Harbaugh the ability to drink beer and teletransport to Detroit, interview with Ralph, not get selected, and transport back to where they came from without us ever knowing.
That would be great.
Harbaugh has not even been an O-coordinator in the NFL and would fail miserably as a head coach due to lack of experience.
Plus, since we swept out the entire coaching staff, he does not have the connections or “tree” like Billick (or any other coach in the NFL) to hire quality assistants.
NO!
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