Bills get company in head coaching search
by Brian Galliford on Jan 8, 2010 2:01 PM EST
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PrintThe Buffalo Bills are no longer the lone NFL franchise searching for its next head coach. FOXSports.com reports that the Seattle Seahawks have fired head coach Jim Mora Jr. after one season at the helm. Seattle finished 5-11 in 2009.
ESPN.com reports that upon firing Mora, the team placed a call to the Minnesota Vikings seeking permission to interview assistant head coach and defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier. Even more interestingly, Frazier declined to interview with Seattle, who is said to be in pursuit of USC head coach Pete Carroll (ESPN). Bills GM Buddy Nix and CEO Russ Brandon were in Minneapolis on Thursday interviewing Frazier, who is one of just two candidates that the team has formally interviewed to this point. Feel free to speculate what you think it all means; the most likely option is that Frazier did not want to be perceived as interviewing solely to satisfy the league's Rooney Rule.
Frazier's name is one of the hottest on the circuit right now. NFL.com's Vic Carucci has called Frazier "eminently qualified" for a head coaching position, while men such as Jay Glazer have sung Frazier's praises. In terms of current coordinator candidates, Frazier's the cream of the crop.
Buffalo has also interviewed former interim head coach Perry Fewell, and it's widely believed that the team is in active pursuit of former Pittsburgh coach Bill Cowher. That possibility remains unlikely, despite the fact that the rumors won't die. Aside from those three leads, the Bills have kept the lid closed tightly over any other candidates they may be contemplating.
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The Seahawks are going to interview Frazier without hiring a GM?
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They have to, unless they want to wait, at a minimum, another 9 days.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 8, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
If a candidate goes through two interviews at a minimum – one with the GM and one with the owner – then why make it three? Just to show they are interested? I dunno. Without the guy who is ultimately going to make the decision in place I would be lukewarm on any interview.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I’m very confused. They’re just reversing it – owner (or high-ranking exec) first, then conceivably GM.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 8, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Makes sense.
Mortenson says they are looking hard at Pete Carroll.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
i would say F**k You if i was Frazier
do u know how many interviews he as done to satisfy that rule what a shame cuz he is a great candidate who has to go thru such BS
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Word just came down Frazier will interview in Seattle.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/81036142.html
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
THANK GOD!
SEATTLE: You can have Frazier ALL DAY! This is a blessing in disguise! Having the Seahawks wanting Frazier …..It’s like baby-proofing the coaching search process to prevent the Bills from making their usual “coordinator to head coach”mistakes!
Listen closely: the Seahawks do not “want” Frazier. They “want to interview” Frazier, and need to do so today or tomorrow to follow league rules, lest they wait a week.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 8, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Lol, think it’s a lock they lose, huh?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 8, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I should have said “at least a week.”
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 8, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I’d like to know why so many guys don’t like Frasier. I don’t want him only because I’d prefer a offensive oriented coach, or a big name, but, in terms of capacity, Frasier is more than ready for the HC job, IMO.
He runs a Tampa 2. Granted, he has done it with Kevin and Pat Williams instead of the smaller/faster DTs but it is indeed the Tampa 2. I’d much rather see the Bills shift to a traditional 4-3 instead of continuing to rely on the smaller and faster defenders.
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Its an increadibly aggressive Tampa two with much larger players then the traditional tampa 2 though. the Vike’s D looks more like a traditional 4-3-Tampa 2 Hybrid to me. Which isn’t a bad thing either, as its a deffensive scheme that our team could easily convert too. All we need is 2 more big LBs (240+ LBs) and another big rotational DT (320+ Lbs preferably).
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 8, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
We need better starters
Not just an additional couple of LB’s and a DT….
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by Kurupt on Jan 8, 2010 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we need 1 starting LB, one BIG backup LB and one rotational DT and one more good DE. And to stay healthy. I honestly think that thats all we’re missing to have a very good D.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 8, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Vikings Tampa 2
What Frazier did was adapt to personnel. It’s an adaptation similar to what Jim Bates did.
Miami’s Bates coached defense were essentially a variation of the Tampa 2, with Taylor and Ogunleye attacking upfield from the DE positions, smaller OLB’s dropping into zone, and Zach Thomas in the deep middle. Bates’ modification were to make the DT’s huge run pluggers (to mitigate the Tampa 2 run vulnerability) and made the corners play man on thw WR’s (to force the QB into the underneath zone).
Frazier’s defense was similar. Frazier had his corners player traditional zone mostly, but he modified to bigger DT’s that plugged the run (this was more scheme adjusting to personnel, but it works that same way Bates’ defense does). And EJ Henderson isn’t asked to drop into the middle third as often, but that’s also a personnel-modifying-scheme type of adjustment, as Henderson’s zone skills aren’t Shelton Quarless-like.
It’s also worth noting that Minny has big LBs. EJ Henderson is listed at 245, Leber is 244 and Greenway is 242. And they’ve got 275 pound (not a typo) Jasper Brinkley filling in for an injured Henderson. It’s not the 2006 Bills type of Tampa 2 that Indy has been running.
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And now I see Jaeger’s post with Brinkley listed at a (still huge) 252 pounds. That’s what I get for trusting Yahoo Sports.
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I don’t like him because he gives me the wrong vibe. He seems too soft spoken. Jauron was, too, but I want a different style this time around.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haven’t we gone over the soft-spoken thing ad nauseum or are you saying you just prefer a different style?
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
This team needs that new style
Enough with the stoic coaches. We need someone to light these guys up and change the atmosphere and culture of the locker room.
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by Kurupt on Jan 8, 2010 3:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed. I just don’t think they need someone that yells to change the culture.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
agreed. Yelling just to yell… no. But yelling with passion and being able to get the message across… yes.
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persona
and style are for the birds. I just want an organization that is on the same mission from the Owner to the ball boy. Give me someone Buddy Nix can work with to procure talent, teach and develop players, and bring some long term success to this franchise and I don’t care if he kisses babies all day or spits on players
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Will be interesting to see who they hire for GM. Didn’t realize they were in the market for one.
by radan on Jan 8, 2010 2:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Guess that’s what Holmgren was considering but for some reason I thought it was more than just gm.
by radan on Jan 8, 2010 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In my now-deleted post about the Mora firing, I raised several factors that might come into play should Buffalo and Seattle wind up going after the same guy:
1. Washington has no income tax. If Buffalo and Seattle offer a coach identical contracts he’d take home quite a bit more in Seattle than he would in Buffalo. It doesn’t sound like much but the difference could be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.
2. Seattle has less severe weather than Buffalo. I read that it has something to do with Pacific Ocean currents. Anyway, the town doesn’t tend to get pounded the way Buffalo does.
3. Seattle is a more vibrant city. In terms of entertainment options (the type the coach or his family might seek away from football) it’s simply no contest.
4. Seattle has a fairly new stadium while The Ralph is well beyond the showing-its-age stage. If memory serves, I think it has a retractable roof. I could be wrong about that but even if it doesn’t white-out conditions aren’t terribly likely.
5. Fan support is rabid in both cities. I don’t know that it would really be an advantage for either franchise.
6. Seattle is a west coast city so the team tends to make more long road trips than the Bills. Except for years in which the Seahawks play the AFC West and NFC North they’re pretty much flying all the way across the country a minimum of 4 times, and probably more like 6.
7. Seattle’s ownership situation is settled. Buffalo’s? Not so much. When Wilson dies the Bills will be sold to a guy who could be a Dan Snyder clone—somone who might want to can everyone and bring in ‘his guy’. Relocation will be a near certainty.
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Another reason it could be appealing to Frazier is his familiarity with the NFC.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 8, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
You’re right—8 or 9% of say $5mm is a lot of money. Just ask Golisano.
by radan on Jan 8, 2010 2:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
true
but the standard of living is also higher in Seattle, most notably the housing costs are much higher (70%) in Seattle then compared to Buffalo.
But Ron....
looking into further stats, you would also find that Seattle also has the nation’s highest suicide rate to go along with rain 360 out of 365 days of the year… Of course the suicide rate could be attributed to the bad football team and not the gloomy weather, but I think not….
All valid points Ron
I have to disagree about the fanbases being equal though – Seattle’s is good but not amazing, they’ve got nothing on the rabid buffalo. Their fan support is really concentrated in the suburbs and country and not downtown at all. The urbanites do get pretty rabid about UW and the Mariners, but the Hawks seem to come in third, which is a shame since the stadium is so nice and on the edge of downtown. Also, no retractable roof, but the seats are covered.
Seattle kind of has an LA type sports-scene vibe too, in that there are so many other distractions that pro-sports can get caught up in the wash, especially when the weather is nice. Most people don’t realize that the weather there is sunny and gorgeous from mid-april to early-november, so that’s over half of the football season that everybody’s out hiking and stuff on the weekends.
Their new practice facilities are out-of this world stunning though. On the edge of Lake Washington, some players boat to practice. Can’t compete with that.
by k8 on Jan 8, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Plus they serve Sushi in the stadium...
I’m NorCal through and through, I’ll take Sushi and Beer over Wings and Beer anyday…no offense! : )
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 8, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Blasphemer!!!
And I suppose you’d prefer tofu over Beef on Weck, or a “good” salad over a double cheese pizza???
Hmmmmm. What is becoming of the true Blue Bills Fan????
WOW!!!!! If there was ever a reason to ban someone.....
Don’t disrespect the wings :-)
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i hear ya
i like both, but sushi is awesome. and sushi and beer is great stuff.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 8, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Let's see
Chicken fried in hot grease, covered on hot sauce, and eaten hot off the bone….skin and all. Then the next day…..well, better bring an extra roll of toilet paper, because the heat ain’t done burning yet. THAT IS MAN FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!
vs
Ground up cold raw fish, covered in ….. ??? What the hell do you put on sushi anyways? Blaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!
For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth
You put ground wasabi root on it, which is pretty hot stuff (in the spicy sense). And of course some of the sushi in Japan comes from a fish that, if not prepared right, can be instantly lethal (in the literal sense — you die within seconds). Eating it is considered an act of courage. Men in Japan would tell you that’s REAL “man food.” (I, for one, prefer to take a pass on it.)
Eating food that might kill you is not manly....it is stupid
Besides, if you want to eat food that might kill you, just go to Nick’s Texas Hots :-)
For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth
sushi isnt just raw food
there are alot of fried sushi out there…..and you can cover it in wasabi, which is basically really hot hot sauce. ad that with some nice salty soy sauce and youve got a meal!
i love wings to, im just saying both would make my stomach happy.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 8, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Or Jack in the Box
The Ecoli is free!
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I luv that line!!!!
you die within seconds
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Pass the aspirin please???
by Cinga on Jan 8, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, Homer Simpson had like a whole night to check stuff off his list….
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Wasabi and Soy Sauce baby!
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
Its the lack of tailgaiting space that really hurts the Seahawks
If they had the space the Bills do, they would be amazing to be around. The Pyramid Brewery tries its best, but they really need alot more space to come even within sniffing distance of the Ralph’s scene.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
Speaking as someone who just moved from Washington and attended several Seahawks games.
1- Yes, there is no state level income tax in WA, but the property tax is significantly higher than in NY state and the sales tax is about 1.1% higher, meaning here it is 8.8 cents on the dollar in Central NY state, it is 9.9 cents on the dollar throughout WA state.
2- True, it maybe snows twice a year, usually late in December, early Jan, but it does rain a lot from Sept to April, speaking after clearing my driveway yet again this week, I like rain a HECK of a lot more than snow.
3- No contest, Seattle wins, schools would be closer than you think though for someone’s kids, unless you get into a private school, Seattle’s Public Schools are much better than Buffalo’s are.
4- Qwest field was done in 2002, and it is NOT a retractable roof stadium, it has high sides to block rain for the fans and to funnel crowd noise, but no roof over the field itself.
5- I think the plus goes to Bills fans as the stadium does not have enough parking to truly make for an awesome before and after game get together at the stadium, but they are loyal fans there, also not nearly as knowledgeable of the minutae of the NFL and their team as Bills fans are on average.
6- All more than accurate since I’ve done those flights numerous times over the years.
7- Yes, Seattle’s is definetly settled, Wilson’s is in motion and that will work against us if the incoming coach wants something like 4-6 years of stability to be sure of.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
I’ll jump on the “Seattle does NOT have rabid fans bandwagon.” I was living out there when they went to the Super Bowl. I never got the sense that anybody lived and died with that team the way Buffalo cares about the Bills. I’d chalk it up to a high tech economy filled with nerds who never liked gym class. The athletic people go mountain climbing in Seattle, come back and watch some live music, they don’t root for a football team. I never understood the lime green thing either.
I will also defend NorCal BillsFan by saying that chicken wings west of the Mississippi don’t hold a candle to what gets served in Buffalo, so that may be why he prefers sushi. How bad chicken wings out west are is shocking. Chicken wings are simple: Take chicken wing, deep fry it, put on Frank’s hot sauce. I never had a good chicken wing out west (not enough Frank’s?). When I moved back east, I could not get enough.
Maybe Leslie Frazier really likes chicken wings?
What happened to all the talk about Brian Billick becoming next Bills coach?
Your lucky if you can find REAL chicken wings, they mostly serve the boneless style out west which is just a chicken tender with some hot sauce
And those that do server traditional style wing sauce never have seen the inside of Duff’s or the Anchor Bar so have no idea how a real wing should taste or look. Like you noted, maybe not enough Frank’s maybe not enough butter, who knows, they suck…
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
Point #3 should read "Seattle's Public Schools are NOT much better than Buffalo's are"
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
Mort repoting that Carroll is their target and would be surprised if it doesn’t happen
by radan on Jan 8, 2010 2:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That ESPN report has changed, folks – Frazier declined to interview with the Seahawks. Hmm…
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interesting
Either Frazier doesn’t want to be a pawn fulfilling the Rooney rule, OR….he feels pretty good about Buffalo
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on the same subject... kind of...
Did the Redskins follow the Rooney rule?
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Yeah, they interviewed Jerry Gray before the season ended.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 8, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Did that count though? Didn’t they interview him before there was an opening? I seem to recall hearing they might have had to interview him a second time just to fulfill the rule. If so, what a sham.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 8, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
The league office cleared it and the Shanahan hiring, so yes, it counted.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 8, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
OR he somehow knew about Carroll.
My guess: he got a pretty strong indication from RB that he’s their guy.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
PFT
stating what I thought as well that the Hawks tried to interview Frazier to satisfy the Rooney rule and then to hire Carrol. I suspect they wouldn’t make this move without knowing Carrol was very interested
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yeah... they would almost have to know that he wanted the job
As PFT was saying about Harbuagh, this is crunch time for college coaches in sealing the deal with recruits. If they jump ship to the NFL, it has to a quick move, or else it destroys recruiting. HS atheletes don’t like comitting to schools if they don’t know who the coach is going to be tomorrow. Everything would have to happen on the down low. Once it becomes public, the coach either has to flatly and confidently deny it (Saban “I am not going to be the Alabama Coach”) or jump ship.
Now that Carroll’s name is out there, it won’t be long before he either rejects it outright or signs the dotted line.
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Frazier was the perfect Rooney rule candidate for the situation
Adding on to the need to “act quickly” with respect to Carroll was the need to satisfy the Rooney rule. Frazier was/is the pefect candidate for such becuase (a) having already interviewed for one head coaching job this off-season, he’s a legitimate head coaching candidate, not just a nobody to satisfy the rule; and (b) He can only be interviewed within the next few days. This arguably would give Seattle the excuse they need to do a quick drive by interview with a minority candidate (without seeming like they were just giving lip service) and then go off and hire Carroll, while Frazier is “unavailable” during the playoffs.
I think Frazier saw right through this play and that is his reason for turing down the interview.
John I.
it is embarrassing for the league IMO. The black coaches are being used. And you know before hand that its “just to satisfy the Rooney rule” thats just garbage. If I were in their shoes I wouldnt want to interview for a job that you know you are just being used so that they dont get fined. Its rediculous.
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GM candidates are down to 4: Eric DeCosta (Balt), John Schneider (Green Bay), Marc Ross (NYG), Steve Keim (Cardinals). So for whatever that’s worth you can think of who those guys might want as a coach.
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Didn’t Mort say that Carroll would be given full control?
Frazier didn’t want to be “token” interview for the Rooney Rule. If I’m Sea, I’d just hire Carroll and pay the fine.
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what is the penalty for not going thru with the Rooney Rule?
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The fine was 250,000 and the NFL said it would be worse for the next violator.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
according to
the American Constitution Society for Law and Policy the fine was $200k, which Tagliabue stated it will be $500k for the next offense.
200k is right. My mistake.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Man, I’d take the league to court over that and I hope some team does.
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I thought it would also cost some draft picks?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 8, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Same here. The Rooney Rule is rediculous in this day an age. I could have understood it if in was the 70’s or 80’s, but aren’t we supose to be past all this crap now?
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 8, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
interesting..................
He declined the interview……………
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 8, 2010 3:37 PM EST reply actions
I have to wonder if he declined outright or if he just wants to do it after the Vikes are out of the playoffs. I mean, its friday afternoon, I’d probably want to be focusing on my current job at the moment. He probably spent a fair amount of time on his interview and prep with us this week, so I could imagine he might be scrambling a little bit now or just wants to support his players. And if his D laid a stinkbomb this week it sure wouldn’t help out his job search much.
by k8 on Jan 8, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Frazier declined to interview with Seattle
I’m thinking that this means two things:
1. Frazier was REALLY comfortable with the Buffalo interview and is waiting for the playoofs to be over to accept the job.
2. He doesn’t want to waste his time in being a pawn to the Rooney Rule.
If he is getting ready to be our next HC I’m not entirely opposed to it. I’d still MUCH prefer Cowher, but Frazier will make a great HC in this league. Wouldn’t mind it being with us.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 8, 2010 3:46 PM EST reply actions
What makes you think he’d be great? I haven’t seen a lot to suggest he’s more or less likely to be a great head coach than any number of other coordinators.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
Something to consider with Frazier
ESPN has been touting the 50 wins in 5 seasons when evaluating successful coordinator to head coach jumps.
Frazier has coached for three seasons under Brad Childress, and has been a part of 30 wins. Not saying that Childress is a great coach, but Frazier’s on the right track of meeting the metric.
If you count Frazier coaching DB’s at Indy under Dungy in 2005-2006, that’s 26 more wins under a successful head coach. It doesn’t meet the metric in terms of HC-coordinator relationship, but it does point out that Frazier has been a part of a lot of winning.
Frazier has spent a great deal of time over the past five years as part of winning organizations, and in the case of Tony Dungy, a Super Bowl winning head coach.
Ron Rivera was a DC for the Bears from 2004-2006, and the Bears won 29 times. With San Diego from 2008-2009, he was part of another 21 wins. It doesn’t exactly meet the metric in terms of one highly successful Super Bowl winning HC, but that’s still a lot of winning as a DC.
Just some food for thought. : )
good points
Like I said, I’m not convinced one way or another on Fraizer though is adherence to the Tampa 2 (even modified) seems to fly in the face of Nix’s comments about smaller defenses.
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I wouldn't call the Vikings D small though
Pat Williams 317
Kevin Williams 311
Allen 270
Edwards 268
Henderson 245 (Brinkley 252)
Greenway 242
Leber 244
That’s a lot bigger than the typical Tampa 2. If Frazier is the HC, and intends to keep the Tampa 2 but with bigger personnel, Minnesota-style, I’m for it.
Hard to argue with their results
Lucky for them some idiotic franchise cut Pat Williams. Oh, wait….
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I get what your saying about Frazier. Since he has no HC expirience its hard to gauge if he’ll be successfull or not. But out of all the coordinators, I like him best. I’d prefer Cowher over Frazier, but I still wouldn’t be disapointed if Frazier was our guy.
I entirely agree about the Tampa 2 needing to go thought.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 8, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Williams was a free agent. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
You're not helping
Buffalo didn’t even try to retain him.
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I just don’t like what you represent, being the leader of the gray side and all.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Do you seriously think that the listless apathetic would follow a leader? Wouldn’t any ‘leader’ of such a collection of individuals be necessarily a traitor to the cause of apathy?
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
by Ron From NM on Jan 8, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL!!!!! Your sig would seem to indicate the danger in your post
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Ohhhh, I forgot....rec'd
For those of us who wish Cowher would accept the Bills HC job, I recently heard some good advice....."You can crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first..." - Burgess Merideth
You make an excellent point. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 9, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Pat Williams 317
There is no way Pat Williams weighs that, he has to be at least 340-350, the media guide is being too kind.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 8, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
1. Frazier was REALLY comfortable with the Buffalo interview and is waiting for the playoofs to be over to accept the job.
2. He doesn’t want to waste his time in being a pawn to the Rooney Rule.
Yeah, I think that has to be it. He’s either got a gentleman’s agreement with Buffalo or he thinks it’s a sham interview with Seattle.
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I’m starting to lean towards both, even with the news that he will interview in Seatle.
BTW, that interview has NFL Corporate involvement written all over it.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 8, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
I suddenly like Leslie Frazier a lot
No, I don’t know that he should (or shouldn’t) be the next head coach of the Buffalo Bills. However, from the PFT story:
That alone is enough to earn my respect. Not only does the man know a sham when he sees it he has the stones to call it what it is.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
finally someone says something
And not to sound like an idiot or anything but im glad a black coach was the one to say it. It means more.
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I hope other teams realize...
that its time to be real with these coaches, if you dont have a minority coach that you want to interview, you should be able to get an exemption from the league or something, rather than mistreating a minority canididate only to avoid a monetary fine. I for one, believe that the Rooney Rule served its purpose, time to lift the restriction.
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 8, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
i heard seahawks have already setlled on carrol
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Hence why the Frazier interview would be a shame simply to satisfy the Rooney Rule.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 8, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
What happens if every minority candidate refuses to interview with Seattle because they don’t want to be used as a “token” candidate? Would they just go on forever without a head coach?
You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on.
it certainly shows how out dated this rule is
it needs to be re-evaluated
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I imagine that if they reach out to 2 or 3 other minority candidates that the league will say that they have complied, even if they all decline to interview.
I think that they would have complied with the rule by having reached out to many minority candidates. Not really their fault if those candidates decline to interview, is it?
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 8, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Probably just someone jumping the gun, but check out Frazier's Wikipedia page
Check out the last paragraph of his coaching career.
They had Cowher listed as Bills current coach the other day too.
by radan on Jan 8, 2010 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Check out the first paragraph too
Leslie Antonio Frazier (born April 3, 1959 in Columbus, Mississippi) is a former cornerback/safety in the National Football League for the Chicago Bears. He is currently the Defensive Coordinator for the Minnesota Vikings. He is allergic to chicken wings and he hates the cold.
ahahahaha
how can someone be allergic to chicken?
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 8, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
You have to love wikipedia. Anyone can edit pages. We could make a page stating Brian Galliford was the new coach of the Buffalo Bills.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 8, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject, so you know you are getting the best possible information.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well played.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 8, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
How could nobody have said it before I did???
Just rewatched “Scott’s Tots”. Awesome.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 8, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Looks to me like there’s a Rumbler working @ Wiki. At least there’s a big Bills and Cowher fan on the payroll
by radan on Jan 8, 2010 6:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no payroll on wikipedia
you could go on to Bill Cower’s wiki page and write in that he loves chicken wings… it will stay on there until someone who works there and cross references people’s input takes it off
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Carroll reportedly interviewed for the job already
If Frazier got wind of that—assuming it is true—it’s no wonder he refused to sit for the interview. Still, I do like that he told them to piss off.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
If that's the case....
1. PFT, Chris Mortensen and others got it wrong in a big, big way or
2. The NFL ‘urged’ Frazier to reconsider and submit to an interview as a face saving (and potential lawsuit avoiding) measure.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
Yea i definitely don’t understand…basically it sounds like Carroll is a done deal, why would Frazier go back and interview if Carroll is a lock?
Definitely something I need to ask John Wooten about to see what his thoughts are since he is the guy that monitors the Rooney Rule.
If Frazier was forced to interview, then what a sham it all is.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 8, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 8, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Does Caroll want to go back to the NFL
I was just wondering about his stance on that, even though I am sure anything he has said publicly has to be view with a grain of salt since peope @ USC must have some faith that he will be there for the foreseeable future
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yea
i think they are about to get smacked around by the NCAA sanctions stick
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 8, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Carroll’s a real stand up guy. I hope he fails big time in Seattle.
Just glad it’s a nonevent as far as impacting Bill’s search.
by radan on Jan 8, 2010 10:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The NFL ‘urged’ Frazier to reconsider and submit to an interview as a face saving (and potential lawsuit avoiding) measure.
I can picture it now…
Frazier: I am not interview simply to comply to a stupid racist rule!
Goodell: Common man, we might get sued for this.
Frazier: Don’t care. Change the damn rule!
Goodell: Listen, heres $20 000, go do the damn interview.
Frazier: Make it 50 and you have a deal.
Goodell: Fine! Just keep your mouth shut.
Frazier: Happy to do business with you.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 8, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are being kind
Frazier : I am not going to a sham interview
Goodell: Do whatever you want . I think I will go make up the “Random” drug testing list for this week. Good luck in the playoffs….hope your defense doesn’t get called for to many penalties :-)
Frazier : OK….I will do the interview
Goodell: Maybe I will go play golf.
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by Joe P. on Jan 8, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
That’s even better than the conversation I was daydreaming:
Goodell: Hi Leslie. I was just calling to see how that Buffalo interview went for you.
Frazier: Good to hear from you, Commish. I thought it went pretty well. The Bills seemed pretty serious about it, which is a lot more than I can say for that so-called interview I was offered by those Rooney Rule dodgers in Seattle.
Goodell: Yeah, well about that. I really need you to go to Seattle and interview.
Frazier: What?
Goodell: Well, here’s the thing. I called up Paul Allen and told him that they’d better interview a minority or I’d hit them with a vicious fine and maybe take away some of their draft picks. Paul Allen laughed at me.
Frazier: Uh-huh. So……why am I flying to Seattle?
Goodell: He LAUGHED at me. ME!!! He said he’d see the NFL in court and start spouting legal mumbo-jumbo about suing the league to get rid of the Rooney Rule. He swore he’d make Al Davis look positively rational. You can see the problem.
Frazier: Um, no, I don’t see how this is a problem for me.
Goodell: Look. I can’t seem to be a wus. If I back down and don’t fine the Seahawks I’m a wus and no one will take me seriously. If I don’t back down the courts are going to pull the rug out from under the Rooney Rule and I’ll look like a wus. It’s lose-lose for me. And the league, of course. The easy way out of this mess is for you to interview with Seattle.
Frazier: Easy? For who? I’ve got a game to get ready for!
Goodell: I can appreciate that but if you don’t go everyone is going to see the Rooney Rule has no teeth. Think of the headlines. You’re going. I’ll make sure that you get a cushy job with the league front office when you’re done coaching. And, hey, if you get the Bills gig I’ll guarantee Lynch a slap on the wrist for his annual summer offense. I’ll even see about thinning out your competition for the job. Plus, if you like Buffalo I’ll try to persuade the owners not to let the Bills move but if you hate it I’ll try to persuade the next owner to go to L.A. Totally your call. Scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours.
Frazier: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This had better be an in-and-out deal. I’ve got real work to do.
Goodell: Glad to hear it! I love team players! I guarantee that you won’t have to waste more than about 90 minutes in Seattle from touchdown to wheels-up.
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by Ron From NM on Jan 8, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Some folks don't realize how the real world goes round.
…. You are funny Ron, but this stuff happens all the time.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 8, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I’m sure it does happen all the time and in all sorts of industries. It’s just pathetic when it becomes obvious to everyone—including the outside world.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
And yet here we are all agreeing on it being entirely plausible. Even likely to have happened.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 8, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
ROLFCOPTER.....not sure what it means, but I think it fits here
He swore he’d make Al Davis look positively rational. You can see the problem.
That would be enough to push Goodell over the edge. Never piss off people with more power than you……come to think of it, isn’t that what got Jimmy Hoffa killed?
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