Poz - Only Bill left from 2007 draft!
by BuffaloWhiner on Oct 11, 2010 9:35 AM EDT
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To show you how bad the Bills drafts have been over the past few year's and why finishing with no more than 2 wins might not be a bad thing so we cannot screw up a top-5 pick (fingers crossed), Poz is currently the only player drafted from 2007 left, Maybin played only 2 series Sunday, and John McCargo will probably be released this week.
Lastly, some of the Bills "starters" are either other teams castoffs or lower draft choices:
Fred Jackson - Signed to practice squad in 2006.
Fitz - Career backup with Bengals.
Steve Johnson - 7th round pick
Demetrius Bell - 7th round pick
Reggie Torbor - Released by Jags
Akin Ayodele - Released by Dolphins
* Proof that this team is a good 3 years away from being in playoff contention if they start to draft better, which doesn't hold much promise based upon what has been going on in the front office now for 10+ year's. Drafting Spiller this year when we already had two decent backs was akin to drafting Willis McGahee when we had Travis Henry.
I am beginning to think that Bills should take the best defensive lineman available or Q.B. available in the 2011 draft. Seems that we cannot stop the run and since this is a deep Q.B. class, we could get Mallett of Ponder in the 2nd round.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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The Bills need to be careful picking a defensive lineman in the top 3 picks. It’s tough to get that kind of value from those positions. Maybe a player like Marcel Dareus who could provide 5-7 sacks per season while still being a force against the run. The key here is how much of the problem the NT position is. If Kyle Williams is just out of position and Troup isn’t ready, then we need to be patient there. With Dwan Edwards, Alex Carrington and Truop, Buffalo has long term investments in a few defensive lineman. It doesn’t make sense to draft on top of them in the first round when Buffalo has so many other key holes. In my opinion, it’d be a miniature version of taking Spiller.
And as sad as it is that Poz is the only 2007 draftee left, I don’t really have a problem with how the Bills drafted that year. At the time, I thought Lynch was the right pick and he was really solid for this team. The drafting of Spiller is the bigger problem there. I wasn’t a big fan of moving up for Poz while David Harris was also on the board. I think I would have waited for one of those players to move and then see if I couldn’t move up for the other one, or look at which teams stood between me and him and see if I couldn’t wait it out and save the pick. I’m not going to fault Buffalo for moving up for Poz though, he’s a much better fit in the Cover 2 that they were playing.
Trent Edwards was a good pick in the 3rd round. You’re going to miss more than hit when you take QBs in that range, but sometimes you have to roll the dice on the upside that comes with drafting certain positions. And if you look at the players taken in the next couple rounds, there weren’t really better options out there. I never liked the Dwayne Wright pick and thought Kolby Smith was better. But again, those mid-late rounds were pretty barren that year and very few decent players came out of the end of the draft. For Buffalo to get special teams production out of Wendling and a little offense out of Schouman is as much as you can ask for those rounds.
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
Poz is a big part of the problem with our defense
I know most people really like Poz on the field (when he is not hurt for an extended amount of time), however his is not a run stuffer or playmaker for our defense anymore… He doesn’t have the speed or size to play inside and get off of guard’s or fullback blocks. He can’t get to the sidelines as quickly to stretch out plays, and his pass defense isn’t very good.
In a 3-4 or Hybrid 4-3, Poz has to be one of our top playmakers. He is not that type of LB anymore for our team. Poz does a decent job in all most respects, but isn’t a difference maker like several of the other top ILB in the league today.
kaisertown posted a very good response to this in a different thread
I’m surprised to see people ripping on Poz lately. I’m not as high on him as you are and think that he’s a really average MLB (and that’s no shot, I’m speaking relatively to other MLBs and the league is loaded with good players at that position). But the not being a playmaker stuff is crazy.
Quick question: Which LB lead the NFL in interceptions last year? Trick question, it was Brian Cushing with four. But it was Poz and his three INTs that finished in a 8 way tie with guys like Willis, Vilma and Beason for the 2nd most.
2nd quick question: Which 4-3 LB or 3-4 MLB lead the league in forced fumbles (at least according to Yahoo Sports’ stats)? Another trick question, it was actually Lawrence Timmons and Hunter Hillenmeyer tied with four. But, again, Poz was one off from the lead with three. He was tied with names like Willis and DJ Williams.
That also means that Poz tied Patrick Willis and Cushing for the most combined INTs and forced fumbles of all true LBs in the entire NFL.
People should learn a lesson from the way that fans turned on London Fletcher for making too many tackles down field and realize that’s just the nature of the position. Fletcher was a good player and was unfairly criticized by fans. If people think that Poz isn’t good because of the % of tackles that he makes around the LOS vs. the % that he makes down the field, they’re just as wrong. And to try and prove that point: Jerod Mayo, Channing Crowder, Bart Scott and David Harris combined for 15 tackles in the backfield last year (not including sacks, Poz is a terrible blitzer). Poz had 5.
-kaisertown
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Playmaker?
Despite the fact that London was unfairly criticized, Poz is arguably way behind to be considered as a real difference-maker. From the very beginning he has only shown us that he average at best and especially injury-prone. Curiously, it is proven that Bills start to stop the run when he’s not playing.
the stats say otherwise
he makes plays.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
I'm a fan of Poz as well
It’s just that he’s injured WAY too much!
"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak" "Did we give up when the germans bombed pearl harbor!!??"-John Belushi
by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Oct 11, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
Posluszny was awful yesterday. Completely awful. While he seemed to come on at the end of 2009, his mediocre play overall combined with his inability to avoid injury leave me hoping Buffalo lets him walk following the season. It’s not that he’s always as bad as he was yesterday, but I think the team can do better and I don’t want a mediocre player like Posluszny tying up a Kelsay-sized contract and occupying a starting position for the immediate future with little to no hope of better than average play. Here’s hoping the class of 2007 is completely gone in just a few months time.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
I wouldn't mind re-signing him
I’d hope it’s a very short term deal though. That’s all he deserves, IMO. He’s a very average player that can’t be that successful without help around him. Right now, he’s being exposed, but if the Bills could improve around him, he’d be better off. We need the depth, so keeping him around is worth it to me.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Agree. I can't decide
is he’s worse against the run or in coverage. I remember vividly all the Poz believers emphatically stating that he was in the wrong scheme in a read and react Tampa 2. He looks even worse in this hybrid 3-4 defense.
prediction for 2010 season is 3 and 13
you look at this and then you have to wonder why people ridicule those of us who say we had to tear everything down and rebuild over. Anyone who thinks we could have built off the 7-9 Jauron years needs to look at this starting lineup and come to terms with the fact that Jaurons was a 7-9 house of cards.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
That's why they should have torn it apart
Instead, we still have a huge number of the same failures playing big parts…..
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I think you and I
just differ on how long it takes to tear apart. We couldnt just pick up undrafted rookies and bum free agents and thrown together a team in one offseason.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
why the heck not?
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
They just need to stop reaching for project guys.....
Quit thinking they’re smarter than everyone else in the draft…….because they arent.
Oh and call up Ozzie Newsome…………..that MoFo knows how to draft!!!
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
Poz
Really?, Your worried enough to be considering “crossing your fingers” to get a top 5 pick in 1st rd? Unless we make a "quantum leap’ in play on both sides of the ball I’m content in thinking a top 5 pick is eminent, number 1 a strong possibility! Question to me is what QB will be available at #1 overall, will Luck enter draft?
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Ooops
Buffalowhiner, not Poz, should’ve been my title above, sorry!
Home Of The Never Ending Rebuild (15years and counting)
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Marshawn, The viewers have spoke, You have been voted off the island.
Congratulation to Poz for winning the Survivor Island-Ralph Wilson Stadium 2007 draft championship.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 11, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
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