Bills Release OLB Chris Ellis, Activate TE Shawn Nelson
by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2010 12:50 PM EDT
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PrintThe Buffalo Bills added tight end Shawn Nelson to the active roster on Monday. Nelson missed the first four games of the season on a league-mandated suspension, and was inactive in Week 5 thanks to a roster exemption.
In adding Nelson to the active roster, the Bills needed to free up a roster spot. Veteran outside linebacker Chris Ellis drew the short straw.
Ellis started at the Jack (weak-side) linebacker position in Week 1 against Miami, picking up a sack and five tackles in Buffalo's only strong defensive showing on the season. When veteran Reggie Torbor returned to the lineup in Week 2, Ellis returned to a part-time role, seeing most of his action on special teams in the past four weeks. He muffed a short kickoff in a Week 4 loss, and did not see much playing time defensively at all.
Buffalo has been working in rookies Arthur Moats and Antonio Coleman more frequently at outside linebacker of late, and with Chris Kelsay the only outside 'backer seeing significant playing time, it apparently made Ellis - the Bills' third-round draft pick in 2008 - expendable. In cutting Ellis, the Bills are ridding themselves of one-sixth of their sack production on the 2010 season.
For those keeping track, the Bills now only have four of ten 2008 draft picks remaining on the roster - Leodis McKelvin, Reggie Corner, Demetrius Bell and Steve Johnson.
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Get rid of Maybin next
Just get rid of all the dead wood.
by zibby on Oct 11, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed about the dead wood. Maybin..ehh?
The Bills defense is terrible right now. D-linemen take time to develop, so that pretty much means the switch to the 3-4 is going to take some time, unless they can get some help in the offseason. But I doubt that will happen because no team likes to let these guys go, so you pretty much have to develop them. Once the D-line gets better the LB’s will be more free to make plays, but the LB’s are weak themselves. Right now the offense is doing enough to have won a few games, but the defense is holding the team back. Hopefully next year the defense will improve a bit to make the team more competative. Right now we will have to suffer the poor management of the past!
We signed Andre Anderson to the active roster.
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You should know better than to ask logical question about the illogical :-)
The Chan Plan – I believe in cutting and trading my starters. This is a tough game when you don’t have any idea what to do with your players. We have not been where we needed to be in the last few years, and I only know one way to get worse….cut, trade, or release your players for little to no compensation….and if they really suck, sign them to an extension.
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
BTW, ....
I think Maybin needs one more year, unless someone is willing to part with a draft pick within the first three rounds for him. I think if he adds some size he could be more effective, he was just to young and under developed when they took him.
Hey, the NFL still can't test for HGH right now, load him up with some from north of the border and let him hit the weight room
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Patience!
I don’t think they will do it. I believe they will invest one full year in Maybin and give him a chance to mature into the roll. remember it took Bruce Smith almost four years to come into his own.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
Wonder how many moves will be made during the bye week. It will be interesting…
by WagonCircler12 on Oct 11, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
well
Nix sure is adding a lot of transactions to the NFL wire this season. The devoid of talent is remarkable….or unremarkable I guess
"Show me the baby: - Buddy Nix
You've gotta be kidding me
Ellis has looked better in limited action that pretty all the other OLB’s.
oh well
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Ya, not really sure I understand this move either.
Thought he looked decent in limited play.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Seems they guys that see the field sparingly try their hardest. Ellis is this case in point.
by MikeEverett08 on Oct 11, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
This makes no sense, release one of the most competant young players at a thin position? Someone please help me understand this…..
This is totally bogus. We give the old and worthless Kelsay and big extension, but cut Ellis who looked good in camp and the one game he started. I guarantee you Ellis would bea better starter than Kelsay!!!!!!
by RockyTopBill on Oct 11, 2010 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
TE looked good in camp too
i havent seen every bills game, but his stat line isnt all that remarkable for people to be upset over this. everyone clamoring for good OLBs to help the pass rush, and they get rid of an arguably mediocre one and everyone throws their hands up. what gives?
by silverstreak3k on Oct 11, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
that is because
The other OLB we are playing are considerably worse than mediocre at rushing the passer. he is the only OLB on our roster with a sack. yeah, he is mediocre, but do you think torber is better than mediocre?
I was thinking the same, plus he is still pretty young… Oh well, I guess Chan/Nix had to keep their guy in Torbor… Amazing how they can’t admit to their mistakes (see C. Green – He should have been one of the first to go…).
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 11, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You hit the nail on the head.
I was thinking the same, plus he is still pretty young… Oh well, I guess Chan/Nix had to keep their guy in Torbor… Amazing how they can’t admit to their mistakes (see C. Green – He should have been one of the first to go…).
Ellis plays first game in place of injured Torbor, respectable running totals,
Comes out of the lineup when Torbor returns, begin the 200 yard gashings.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 11, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
They admit their mistakes.
I’d call releasing Trent and enduring that backlash admitting their mistake. They released a couple of their draft picks too.
And we have to stop lumping Gailey and Nix together. Yes, they work together, but they are different men with different responsibilities.
I believe Torbor was kept because the coaches see him as a better run defender. Like Jerry Sullivan said “how awful a run defender do you have to be to not be able to start on this defense”? I personally would rather see Coleman and Moats get reps as pass rushers instead of seeing if Ellis can continue his rise to mediocrity.
Well… I certainly didnt expect it to be Ellis.
Oh OBD… when will you show me that youve got a plan? Actually show me, not just tell me you have one…
Buffal Bills. We have no 'O'
by bflo on Oct 11, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ive seen it
it’s scribbled on a napkin balled up somewhere in Nix’ office. most unimpressive.
CJ, don't SPILLith thy Kool Aid.
A bar napkin I'm assuming....
"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak" "Did we give up when the germans bombed pearl harbor!!??"-John Belushi
by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Oct 11, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda think but cutting Ellis they are showing us their plan........sorta.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
why? why? why?
Ellis looked good in preseason and in week 1. I just wrote in your last piece about how George Edwards should be letting Ellis and Maybin start since Kelsay and Torbor are horrific and we release him?
Now the Kelsay extension makes me mad. It didnt before but now your just not making sense. You release a young player, cheap salary, who finally started showing that maybe he belonged at OLB instead of DE, and was ready to contribute to a team in DESPERATE need of pass rushing help and you extend a guy who is getting exposed and release Ellis?
Sigh……
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 11, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
couldnt of put it any better
I was letting the Kelsey contract go, but know im fired up about it. Why would they cut Ellis?
why? why? why?
Because they are Gailey/Nix… Nothing makes since… It really is THAT simple…
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 11, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
remember during camp when Gailey said Ellis was awful but was coming along. Ellis wasn’t great at all and Gailey tells you what he thinks.
Listen! You smell something?
by J2 on Oct 11, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
The ineptitude you attach to both Nix and Chan makes me wonder if they can find their way to the bathroom! Why so much hate dude!
Home Of The Never Ending Rebuild (15years and counting)
by buffalobacker on Oct 11, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Relax poz....Nix has a plan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
The Chan Plan – I believe in cutting and trading my starters. This is a tough game when you don’t have any idea what to do with your players. We have not been where we needed to be in the last few years, and I only know one way to get worse….cut, trade, or release your players for little to no compensation….and if they really suck, sign them to an extension.
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
hahahah
you cant get over the “Dig our way out” comment hahaha that was great.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
It is my new favorite Nix quote, and that clips just fits so well
The Chan Plan – I believe in cutting and trading my starters. This is a tough game when you don’t have any idea what to do with your players. We have not been where we needed to be in the last few years, and I only know one way to get worse….cut, trade, or release your players for little to no compensation….and if they really suck, sign them to an extension.
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
I have to say
this makes no sense to me.
Buffalo born & bred. Bills fan since 1968.
by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Oct 11, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions
im not kidding
I just got a headache trying to make sense of this. No exaggeration. I sat here, thought about it for a minute and then a horrible headache set in. Thanks OBD, JP Losman made me lose my voice, Trent Edwards made me lose my memory (watching Trent Edwards = drinking heavily), Dick Jauron made me break things, but I have to say, this is the first time you’ve given me a headache trying to comprehend the point of a move.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 11, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Can someone make any sense of this for me ? Just had my first law school midterm this morning and my critical thinking skills are depleted for the day.
this is what I dont get!! Why is McCargo still here? Why is Akin Ayodele still here ow….my headache is flaring up again…..
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
he is
but he is still very cuttable
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
i know
but refer to my other posts. there has been no production out of any of our OLB, i dont see the reason for the uproar on cutting ellis, who has had like 3 years to prove hes worth it, and failed to do so.
by silverstreak3k on Oct 11, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
he
had the best OLB performance all year in his one chance in a real game at new position. Isnt it odd not to follow up on that and see if there was something to work with? Because we dont have anything else to work with.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
I'm usually pretty behind Nix
But this move really,really,irritates me.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Ellis huh?
Well………….I………..
just dont know.
Lets make a weak defense even weaker………….makes sense.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions
Judas Priest, people. Chris Ellis stinks. Dude is Aaron Maybin, minus the talent and the first-round draft status. It’s not like we just cut DeMarcus Ware.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Whoa whoa whoa whoa..........
You are telling me that Aaron Maybin has talent??
Interesting.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Talent, yes. For pro football, apparently not.
You are telling me that Aaron Maybin has talent??
"This is a tough gayem for tough peepole." -- Chan Gailey
"The Bills will be bad, but Chan Gailey can fake it pretty good." --Jason Cole before the 2010 season.
by Backup to Farve's Backup on Oct 11, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Maybin has talent...
I understand that he is a very good juggler.
"If you can’t fly then run, if you can’t run then walk, if you can’t walk then crawl, but whatever you do you have to keep moving forward." – Martin Luther King Jr.
we're not in a position to be missing the talents of D Ware though
we have no pass rush, Chris Ellis was a young player who actually produced on the field in week 1 and in the preseason, and instead of giving him a chance to do something for the worst defense in the league we cut him? With McCargo on the roster?
And in my opinion Chris Ellis is Aaron Maybin, plus the production.
In a rebuilding year, I dont see the point of releasing a young player, cheap price tag, who has shown himself to perhaps be capable of producing, when old, veterans who are doing nothing are being allowed to start. Its very upsetting to me.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 11, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chris Ellis has exactly as many QB pressures this season as Aaron Maybin. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. :)
by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Ellis has more Sacks!
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Again – that’s great for him. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s Chris Kelsay minus the intangibles.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
well we will never really know now will we?
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Do we really want the coaching staff to play guys until they prove to the fans what they already know? Just because our starters stink doesn’t me the bench is a homerun waiting to happen. The choice here was probably between Ellis and Coleman and Moats.
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt Coleman and Moats were on the chopping block........
those are Nix’s guys (and Gailey’s to an extent)
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are the other developmental OLBs. Thats his comparison group.
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I realize that......
but Nix has more loyalty to Moats and Coleman………so I doubt he decided he wanted to cut just an OLB……..it was more about the player…….not the position.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Mccargo is still here because of size. This is about liabilities against the run. Pass rush OLBs. How many young, raw, developmental pass-rush OLBs do you want on a team that is getting gashed for 200 yards a game? I agree we don’t have much of a pass-rush, but its not because of a lack of stockpiled talent here. Time to start making decisions.
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I could buy that........
if McCargo had been active and playing at all this year.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s about the future norcal. Not the past…
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
And that future is not going to include McCargo
They’ve already traded him once and he hasn’t been active yet this season. He’ll be lucky to be active twice this season depending on when Kyle Williams gets hurt.
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant the next 14 games. As I said, the “potential” OLB pass rush spot on the roster already as 2 guys too many. We need run defenders.
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
14 games?
So the Bills are getting a wild card spot……winning in the playoffs and getting the SB?
Wow………I’ve seen some optimistic people before……..but…………wow.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
14 games?
So this year and the first three of next year?
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
actually 14 games only means the AFC championship.....
or it means the Bills get a bye in the WC round.
Either way.,….yikes.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Many, you guys ate that typo alive. Settle down…
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just wanting clarification..........
I think thats perfectly acceptable.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Mccargo is still here because of size
TWSS
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
by fansince60 on Oct 11, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
The Chan Plan – I believe in cutting and trading my starters. This is a tough game when you don’t have any idea what to do with your players. We have not been where we needed to be in the last few years, and I only know one way to get worse….cut, trade, or release your players for little to no compensation….and if they really suck, sign them to an extension.
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
Chris Browns report suggests that preference for Coleman and Moats was a part of the issue. Who knows if its loyalty or they prefer younger, long term prospects for the position, or they see more in these guys.
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
sure we will.....Ellis will get picked up by another team and probably help them win a SB
The Chan Plan – I believe in cutting and trading my starters. This is a tough game when you don’t have any idea what to do with your players. We have not been where we needed to be in the last few years, and I only know one way to get worse….cut, trade, or release your players for little to no compensation….and if they really suck, sign them to an extension.
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
Mitchell helped the Giants win a SB. He seemed like a decent player and a good guy but I’m not upset that he’s not with the team anymore. I mean, really, wasn’t everyone clamoring for more roster turnover to start the season? They’re getting it. They’re just not getting it when they expected.
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
Again – that’s great for him. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s Chris Kelsay minus the intangibles.
You forgot one thing too
He is Chris Kelsay minus the intangibles and a whole lot cheaper.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 11, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So, shouldn't he be worth at least half of Kelsay's extension right?
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Chris Ellis – 15 games played, 1 start, 1 sack. Ellis got his sack and five tackles in the one game he got extensive playing time.
Aaron Maybin – 21 games played, 1 start, 0 sacks. Aaron Maybin got all his lack of production in more playing time, spread out rather nicely over two years.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Poz, you’re missing the point. I am not saying that Maybin is better. I am saying BOTH SUCK EQUALLY, but the investment in one necessitates his staying a bit longer.
For real? Am I really having this conversation? If Chris Ellis had been cut last March, no one would have blinked. C’mon, people.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If Chris Ellis had been cut last March, no one would have blinked.
Your right, but after March Chris Ellis showed a fan base that knew we were going to be one of the worst teams in football, and likely a few years away from rebuilding that he could be a guy to try and develop. Did he not look pretty nice in preseason? I know Trent Edwards did but then he followed that up by looking pretty nice in a start in week 1 too, against a good Dolphins line.
Maybe I need to take you up on your offer of putting something in a pipe though haha :) ah, who am I kidding, Molson Golden has gotten me through worse before, she shall do so again!
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Not sure I agree. Ellis looked much better than Maybin ever has in that one start against Miami and then we (and the Bills coaching staff) never got to see him again in action. He may suck, but he looked better in that game and during the preseason than any other OLB the Bills currently have (ok, that’s not saying much). Given the near-total lack of talent at that position one would think they would give him some further opportunities to show what he could do instead of jettisoning him outright.
People are Bitching Because it was not McCargo
I don’t think there is an OL on the team worth keeping in a 3-4, but you have to line up with a couple of them no matter what.
by WhatGoesAround on Oct 11, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we seriously deifying this guy cause he happened to get a sack?
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not treating Ellis like a god. I’m treating Ellis like a young player, with a cheap price tag, with more upside, and who showed recent flashes of improvement in a new position as an irresponsible cut when we have unproductive, aging, more expensive veterans on the roster like Reggie Torbor, Chris Kelsay, Akin Ayodele
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 11, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We have three other guys like that if you include Batten. How can we determine which of those four deserves the spot for the future?
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
By playing them?
I know it’s a foreign concept to most everyone in Buffalo but normally it works.
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
289 nailed it right there greysquirrel. We gave Ellis one game of significant playing time and he looked pretty good out there, it was the best performance we’ve had from any OLB all year. And instead of giving him a chance to follow up on that, instead of letting Kelsay and Torbor get schooled, we cut him?
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
for now I think Torbor is teflon. He played for Edwards in Miami so there’s a little nepotism thing there.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
He played for Edwards in Miami so there’s a little nepotism thing there.
Yup, I’ve refrained from saying it because I figured people would jump on me for it, but I’m very sure that Torbor getting all this playing time is attributable to exactly what your saying.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Come on, he knows the scheme they want to install. He is supposed to be helping with the transition. I’m not defending his play, but I don’t think the logic is that he and George are drinking buddies.
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
remember the Jauron years, there was a lot of jauron playing guys because he was loyal to them. Some coaches and players do have a relationship that can override judgment.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Fair enough. I guess I just hope its not true. The A-Train. Ugh.
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope its not true too
but the cutting of Ellis when I thought he could have been playing just as good (or bad I guess) as Torbor is perplexing.
And A-train is a great example of Jauron cronyism.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Strike that, we have 4 other guys. Maybin, Moats, Coleman, Ellis and then Batten. And we are a team getting run over like a bulldozer. This reminds me of the saying about QBs, we have four young pass-rushers, meaning we have no pass-rushers. We can’t develop them all, they made a choice.
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
but
we cant develop Batten this year, so take him off the list. Isnt Moats still hurt? We could have very well developed them all by putting in a rotation at OLB instead of letting Torbor and Kelsay – two highly unproductive OLBs lock down the job. Ellis/Maybin/Coleman rotation would have looked ok to this fanbase if you ask me. Sprinkle in Kelsay if you want.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 11, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My point is none of these guys can play the run. People are already irate Maybin can’t get out there. What do you think happens when we only put in these pass rush guys? We need to make our choices at this position and they did. I’m not gonna sit here and say Ellis was the best of that bunch because I got no idea. They probably all amount to nothing.
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is none of these guys can play the run
but neither can Kelsay or Torbor! We are letting up 200 rushing yards a game! How do we know these guys can’t play the run? Because they can’t in practice right? So lets throw them out there and see if they figure it out on the fly. Its not like Kelsay and Torbor are even partly plugging a leak, our run defense is the worst Ive seen in my lifetime. Let the youngsters loose, they have room for development and improvement, unlike Torbor and Kelsay. We could be surprised by what happens out there. Its not like they’d be ruining our run D.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 11, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its not like Kelsay and Torbor are even partly plugging a leak, our run defense is the worst Ive seen in my lifetime. Let the youngsters loose, they have room for development and improvement, unlike Torbor and Kelsay. We could be surprised by what happens out there. Its not like they’d be ruining our run D.
Right?
We cant get worse than dead last…
Buffal Bills. We have no 'O'
There are always worse people on your roster than the starters. Be careful what you wish for. They don’t need to play guys just to prove to us fans they are not run-defenders.
Actually, we are moving towards taking Torbor off and adding more meat. Which means we are moving further away from a situation where there guys could contribute give their skill-sets.
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Be careful what you wish for.
What does it matter if we give up 200 or 300 yards on the ground? We didnt force the Jags to punt once, we never stop anybody, the amount of yards doesnt matter, we are already as bad as we can get, we are unable to stop an ineffective offense from driving every time they had the ball save some turnovers.
They don’t need to play guys just to prove to us fans they are not run-defenders.
Its not about proving to the fans though, its about seeing for themselves. One of the reasons I like Gailey is that he started Edwards to “see for himself” what he could do in a game situation. Edwards stunk and he got rid of him. He demoted Steve Johnson to see what Roscoe could do and it has paid off. I’m guessing hes staying out of George Edwards defense but I think Edwards should have “seen what Ellis could do”. He did it once and he showed more than Reggie Torbor has since. Its not about the fans, its about seeing what your guys do with live rounds. Ellis played well in week 1 and never got another shot.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
I think we are comparing apples and oranges. I think you want these guys to be potential run-defenders and they are not. I guess thats where we disagree. Playing them to watch them get smoked won’t make our scheme better or make them adequate run-defenders.
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe they aren’t and maybe they are, I just would have liked Ellis to have been given a fair shake is all. He was one of the few defenders I thought had earned his way onto the roster in the off-season and then after week 1 I thought he had earned more playing time. I just didnt think he earned this cut is all, not with so many other players I’d cut first i I were the coach.
On the bright side, Shawn Nelson is back. More weapons for Fitzy!
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
We’ve exhausted this. Meanwhile, the team still stinks :(
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
haha yea we have exhausted it
in the end its not that big of a deal, I just hope its not indicative of a greater philosophy.
Yea, the team does still stink but at least its still football season! Plus our offense is kind of fun to watch, Shawn can only help that.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Kelsay gets blown up routinely by RTs, over pursues, loses contain, and cost 24 million
Coleman, Moats and Maybin can all do that at as well, for in the case of Cole and Moats, for a heck of a lot less, I agree Poz.
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Well, since Batten is on IR, its really only 2 guys as of right now to look at
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Good for him. One whole sack. He’s the next Bruce Smith.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's one more sack
than McCargo has games played.
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, hey now, if I could explain why he’s still here, I’d be running the damn team.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s my biggest issue, too. McCargo sucks more than Ellis, right?
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 11, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Who can know?
Neither on the field enough to measure
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by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Oct 11, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha.
I dont mean to come off attacking you… but I feel like sometimes I pretend that you are OBD… so I say things that I want to ask them. Clearly youre not, Ralph or Nix dont use the internet… so youre safe :-)
Buffal Bills. We have no 'O'
He's here because he failed his trade physical
and has been hiding ever since.
prediction for 2010 season is 3 and 13
Wonder how much $$ McCargo has made since he failed that physical?
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by thefourwinds on Oct 12, 2010 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions
naked photos of Nix perhaps?
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
I think you’re on the short end of the blade on this one, bud. It may just be 1 sack and 5 tackles, but in our lousy defense… even a little production matters more than nothing. Ask a starving man if he wants to eat an orange peel or the actual orange, he’ll eat the orange. He won’t get much out of it, but its something.
Maybin is this team’s peel, but he isn’t alone.. we have a lot of lousy peels. Ellis is no second coming of Bruce Smith, but if the idea is to reward productivity in this “what have you done for me lately” league, then this move is counter intuitive to that ideal.
by Wien on Oct 11, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We’ll never know if Erik Flowers will be the next DeMarcus Ware, then, either.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Judas Priest
That was my fathers favorite “swear” word, and I picked it up, but haven’t heard it very often otherwise. Rec’d lol.
Why I'm a optimistic Bills fan:
The road that is built in hope is more pleasant to the traveler than the road built in despair, even though they both lead to the same destination.
- Marion Zimmer Bradley
Understood… But I think you could list at least 5 other guys that deserve being cut other than Ellis… Let’s start – C. Green, Torbor…
I think the decision is what is most confusing…
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 11, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
ill help you
Green, Torbor, McCargo, Ayodele, Martin.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Martin’s what I’m most confused by. Why didn’t they drop a TE to give Nelson room on the depth chart?
Uhmm
Just a quess, but injury concerns, have had alot from that position.
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by buffalobacker on Oct 11, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yea exactly
I just dont see the reason for releasing the best looking prospect at a position that is the worst on the team, hands down. Well, tackle is bad too.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Hahahhaa....now that would be a interesting poll
If the Bills had DeMarcus Ware, would CHIX cut him????
The Chan Plan – I believe in cutting and trading my starters. This is a tough game when you don’t have any idea what to do with your players. We have not been where we needed to be in the last few years, and I only know one way to get worse….cut, trade, or release your players for little to no compensation….and if they really suck, sign them to an extension.
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
I am not surprised because the Bills seem to make a lot of head scratching moves lately...
I am not saying I agree with this… but they had to cut someone this week to keep their weekly cut streak alive.
I thought Chris Ellis was one of the few guys on our team that could rush the passer from the OLB position?
However, where Ellis did struggle was special teams and it is not only about his fumble a few weeks ago. He was weak at blocking and covering kicks… That is why I think they canned him. Our kick coverage was TERRIBLE yesterday.
Didnt the Bills at one point have like 10 LB's on the roster?
What do they have like 6 now or something?
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
Ten minus one does not make six, Cali. The Bills have nine linebackers. :)
by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You sure about that?
I haven’t seen any this year.
by twoeightnine on Oct 11, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well obviously...........
I thinking more along the line of healthy active ones
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Then it’s eight. The starters (Poz, Davis, Kelsay, Torbor), Maybin, Ellison, Coleman, Ayodele and the injured Moats makes 9 on the roster with Batten being number 10 on IR.
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
Cool thanks.........
sure seems like a lot less.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s because they’re like chameleons blending into their environment of mediocrity. They all kind of run together in the mind because they’re pretty much all the exact same player.
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
That’s because they’re like chameleons blending into their environment of mediocrity.
If what we have seen on defense is mediocrity, I hate to see what you think an enviornment of failure looks like.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 11, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Does it really matter which one of our LB's was released??
They are all pretty terrible on Defense right now. I trust Nix and Gailey made the right decision in who to release! Our defense is so bad it wouldn’t have mattered who we released, it won’t make any difference. I’m pretty sure most of these LBs won’t even be on the roster next year!
by jskirk71 on Oct 11, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
recd
please everyone read this. none of these LBers are any good, what does it matter ellis got cut???
by silverstreak3k on Oct 11, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That what it's all about!!!
You put your back-up QB in,
You put your starting QB out,
You put all the players’ names in a hat
And you shake it all about,
You do the hokey pokey
and you turn your team around
That what it’s all about!!!
"We're at the crossroads...there's no doubt about that. But you can get it done...you can get it done...what's more you've GOT to get it done."
Lou Saban
by Goose22 on Oct 11, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
LOL!!!!! Rec'd and quite possibly accurate ;-)
The Chan Plan – I believe in cutting and trading my starters. This is a tough game when you don’t have any idea what to do with your players. We have not been where we needed to be in the last few years, and I only know one way to get worse….cut, trade, or release your players for little to no compensation….and if they really suck, sign them to an extension.
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
what school did ellis go to?
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
Va Tech I believe.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 11, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Please cut me so I can go to a better team, school
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
the coach should just give maybin playing time already. he won’t get any better sitting on the bench. this year is over. let’s start evaluating our prospects.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
Maybin does play
He just plays really badly and is usually invisible.
Is Ellis
practice Squad eligible?
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by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Oct 11, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions
Nope, full year on the main roster
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
3 cuts whilethe Bills are onthe Bye
You taking the over, or the under. And yes Ellis counts.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
under
they seem to only cut people after a loss
by silverstreak3k on Oct 11, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Feels like a modified Jimmie Johnson method of instilling fear in under performing players
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
an interesting observation
every position in the defense is versatile enough to move from 4-3 to 3-4… a RDE would have enough athleticism to shift to ROLB… a DT can move to DE.. secondary more or less would remain the same… except LDE…
an LDE is too small to be a DE in 3-4 and not athletic enough to be an OLB… hence the cut to ellis… hence, the poor play by kelsay…
moral of the story, dont draft an LDE in the first 3 rounds… you never know, it might be a wasted pick
we'll get a win soon
when the defense gets some good breaks or catches an offense on a bad day, Fitz does enough to get us a win, it’ll happen.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
How sad is that...
Our only win might come if we catch an offense on a bad day :-(
Buffal Bills. We have no 'O'
I know
but it comes with the territory of being a horrible team. It’ll happen and it’ll be awesome when it does.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
I can’t wait to read this blog after that day. “Oh, we’re improving!” It’ll be insane how positive the comments suddenly become, with no evidence to back it up. Just like it’s insane how negative the comments are now, 5 weeks into a rebuild.
what?
Your expecting sane conversations on a blog? Interject large amounts of peoples thoughts into one place, in space, and you want sanity? Good luck with that!
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by buffalobacker on Oct 11, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
this place was holding up until this season!
I think a win could bring rumblings back down to Earth. Not getting a win is starting to wear on all of us.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
agreed
but it’s definatley wearing on some more than others around here.
A lot of good conversation is getting lost among the crowd of horse kickers.
i took a look at the schedule and it looks tough. i say we win 2 games, given the teams we have to play from here on out. that’s okay with me, as long as we get the number one pick. hopefully that player, whoever it may be, commits to playing in buffalo.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
Green,Quinn,Clayborne,Mareus,etc,etc
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Or Ayers, who I'm becomingmore enamored with.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Haha
Other guy’s who would help the team immensely who could be high,high first rounders.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
ah
gotcha. i would be supremely unimpressed if they didnt pick a qb with their first pick. seems like a good top end qb draft, and they would be making a big mistake.
by silverstreak3k on Oct 11, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Overlooked inthis situation
But yay, Nelson is back
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Haha, good point
Forgot thats why we cut Ellis. Hopefully hes fully healthy and can produce.
Buffal Bills. We have no 'O'
that LB corp just keeps getting thinner and not less talented by the minute. Wait, how’s that possible?!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He just needs to avoid banned sunbstances, at least he didn't use over trained athlete syndrome, or tainted meat as an excuse
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Not but McIntyre should be, he at least wants to hit!
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
True, but Gailey doesn't use TE's...
to do much anything other than block. Nelson definitely ISN’T a blocking TE. Go bills.
Given the state of the 0-line he can’t afford to use them for anything else. That, and Stupar and Martin are not exactly speedsters….
Didn’t Martin get a TD last weekend?
by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah........ wasn't this fact the point of the whole article?
And on that note: At Chan’s press conference he didn’t exactly give Nelson a ringing endorsement. He actually sounded kind of pissed that he’s been suspended.
May not get a lot of playing time if Chan is going to hold a grudge.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 11, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get this move.
He seemed like the only playmaker at LB when he was given a shot.
Just for the record: I do not have his autograph, so the curse IS broken!
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions
…and I didn’t love Ellis. I just don’t think he was the wisest fat to trim right now.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 11, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
For Brian G, Afghan has put this really well: dozens of players could have been cut, and most of them would have made more sense than cutting Ellis. So why on earth cut Ellis? That’s what seems so incomprehensible about this.
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by thefourwinds on Oct 11, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I just don’t see the point in wondering that when, in five months, all of the guys that could have been cut won’t be here anyway. Obviously, the team hasn’t liked what it’s gotten from Ellis. I can wait on the logic part of it.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
all of the guys that could have been cut won’t be here anyway.
That would be worth rejoicing over, if it ever truly happens.
2010 Bills' truth in advertising: "Look out Cleveland, this year we score 6!" - bluecollarbuffalo
by thefourwinds on Oct 11, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You are a patient man
I can wait on the logic part of it.
but CHIX might test the limits of your patients.
The Chan Plan – I believe in cutting and trading my starters. This is a tough game when you don’t have any idea what to do with your players. We have not been where we needed to be in the last few years, and I only know one way to get worse….cut, trade, or release your players for little to no compensation….and if they really suck, sign them to an extension.
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
Question
Aren’t we considered “patients”? And people test peoples patience. And if were patients, who’s the doctor? I’m a patient person.
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by buffalobacker on Oct 11, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That is two questions :-)
I have no answers.
The Chan Plan – I believe in cutting and trading my starters. This is a tough game when you don’t have any idea what to do with your players. We have not been where we needed to be in the last few years, and I only know one way to get worse….cut, trade, or release your players for little to no compensation….and if they really suck, sign them to an extension.
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
I'm a mental patient.
Especially on Sundays.
"Adversity is an opportunity for heroism." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 11, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Guinea Pigs
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
wow
So instead of getting rid of McCargo, who has contributed absolutely nothing through 4 games and has been inactive for all of them, they get rid of someone that has the potential to be productive if given playing time? Is this the same team that inexplicably gave Kelsay a $24 million contract extension?
Was/is he really the most expendable player?
Expansion Team
Scanning the roster, I can’t get over how bad this team is. I honestly believe this is one of the worst teams in NFL history. That’s what you get when you draft the way Buffalo has for the past 11 seasons or so. What a disgrace.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
2011 Lock-out
Well at least we won’t have to bring any new scabs during the 2011 lockout, since we already have a roster full of them.
lock out
Maybe Buffalo will end up with the best scabs in the league just out of sheer luck. I’m serious in that I’d be anxious to rally around the team in that scenario. I’m just looking for an excuse to root for another collection of players- even no names.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
LOL
wow…the beginning of the week has been must see TV this year…every week something i never saw coming happens. alls i can do is laugh to stop from crying…god bless Bills fans and God bless the buffalo bills…SMH
record?
Brian, this is the 5th article of the day and it’s 2:25PM EDT. Is that any sort of record?
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
For those keeping track, the Bills now only have four of ten 2008 draft picks remaining on the roster – Leodis McKelvin, Reggie Corner, Demetrius Bell and Steve Johnson.
I’m fine with that, it means that we are getting rid of the garbage that Jauron has drafted.
by CanadianBillsFan on Oct 11, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
My only question about Ellis is...
Why now? If he was that bad, why not cut him at the end of August? I don’t understand the supposed strategy behind this move, especially when the team is already sorta banged up at LB, and we need LB’s for the special teams. Leodis and Roscoe both muffed kicks last season and they’re both still here. Was this a Ralph edict?
Show me the O, Buffalo!
Probably get picked up by the Patriots
and go on to play in the Pro Bowl – I don’t think they ever gave him a chance – If anything, they should be getting rid of those players that actually play.
I'm shocked at
the response from the “veteran” posters about this move. Ellis is a bad football player. It’s quit obvious this regime is flushing out the bad choices from the previous one. I’m actually feeling great about these moves. I can’t disagree that there aren’t other players worthy of being cut instead of Ellis, but all in all, what’s the difference? This team is going to look completely different from a personnel standpoint in the next 2-3 years, I would get awfully comfortable with these types of moves.
. I can’t disagree that there aren’t other players worthy of being cut instead of Ellis, but all in all, what’s the difference?
Thats the main point no doubt. You are right, whats the difference. Its just upsetting the logic of keeping some vets over him.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Poz, as I stated there’s definitely a debate there about more deserving players to be cut. But I don’t understand the outcry.
I think the outcry is becaus Ellis was one of the few players we could point to with a little hope he could get better.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
I guess that hope is what I don’t understand then.
by Buffalonian on Oct 12, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
Maybe Chan is cutting were he feels they can afford to, player wise. The guys that should be cut, can’t be because the depth is far worse than current starter? I agree with the why worry? 95% of this roster is gonna be gone, sooner or later.
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by buffalobacker on Oct 11, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea exactly, but I still would have preferred David Martin gone.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Martin is on the team?
The Chan Plan – I believe in cutting and trading my starters. This is a tough game when you don’t have any idea what to do with your players. We have not been where we needed to be in the last few years, and I only know one way to get worse….cut, trade, or release your players for little to no compensation….and if they really suck, sign them to an extension.
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
Sheen?
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
I was thinking Dean.....no wait....he is dead.....not that it would matter
The Chan Plan – I believe in cutting and trading my starters. This is a tough game when you don’t have any idea what to do with your players. We have not been where we needed to be in the last few years, and I only know one way to get worse….cut, trade, or release your players for little to no compensation….and if they really suck, sign them to an extension.
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
The argument for Martin could easily be the same though. He scored a TD this year in the first game. And the depth at TE is worse than at LB.
2010 Bills' truth in advertising: "Look out Cleveland, this year we score 6!" - bluecollarbuffalo
by thefourwinds on Oct 12, 2010 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions
response from the "veteran" posters
haha, that made me laugh. This blog is getting up there in age isn’t it? Congrats to Brian for keeping this train running!
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
2 questions for anyone care to voice their opinion
1. Someone mentioned switching to a 3-4 defense will take time, how come Green Bay has a more smooth transition?
2. Had Maybin stayed at Penn State one more year and entered the draft this year, would he be drafted higher or lower than the 11th pick?
1) They have a competent DC and a competent GM (scouting wise)
2) Probably around 11 again. He’s still probably too quick for college OTs to block consistently and some GM would still be in love with that speed hoping they can teach him other tricks.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 11, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll Interject
1) GB hasn’t been that a effective D this yr. have they? Better than our transition because we have zero talent, versus GB D. that has like Clay Mathews etc. 2) Have to cede to the magic 8 ball to answer that question. Based on his contribution to date, would you draft him #11 overall?
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by buffalobacker on Oct 11, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i am surprised
i thought for sure mccargo would get cut, he is never even active. Why cut a player who has played decent in the limited reps at a position that we are the weakest in the league
it's clear
when we keep guys on the roster who never see the field, and get rid of contributors, even those who have done as little as Ellis, its clear the team is in self-destruct mode. Nix has several years of early draft picks in his game plan.
by NoiseIsTheBestRevenge on Oct 11, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
For all those saying it's just one sack
Is not one sack better than no sacks? As for the argument that he “just happened to get a sack”, did CJ Spiller just happen to return a kick for a TD? Is that what it’s called when players perform? They just happen to perform? I don’t think so.
This also could have been an example of throwing the cookies out. I don’t know about you, but sometimes when I’m trying to drop some weight and I have some cookies in the cupboard that I DO but DON’T want to eat, I’ll try giving them away and short of that, just throw them out. I figure, better to waste a little money than to have something around that is just going to get me in trouble knowing its in my cupboard.
-Rumblings user FrankL; on the releasing of Trent Edwards
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
Chris Ellis for the first time in his career finally looked like he was on the right team
I am a little upset that now he’s cut. Ellis > Torbor > Maybin > Kelsay; that’s how I see it. But at the same time, this is just one transaction. We can’t let every little transaction make us this emotional.
Sorry Ellis, I think we could have used you, but you’re not with the team anymore. Go Bills.
This also could have been an example of throwing the cookies out. I don’t know about you, but sometimes when I’m trying to drop some weight and I have some cookies in the cupboard that I DO but DON’T want to eat, I’ll try giving them away and short of that, just throw them out. I figure, better to waste a little money than to have something around that is just going to get me in trouble knowing its in my cupboard.
-Rumblings user FrankL; on the releasing of Trent Edwards
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
Ellis > Torbor > Maybin > Kelsay
Your math skills are excellent sir!
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Thanks poz, It’s that good Arkansas edumacation.
This also could have been an example of throwing the cookies out. I don’t know about you, but sometimes when I’m trying to drop some weight and I have some cookies in the cupboard that I DO but DON’T want to eat, I’ll try giving them away and short of that, just throw them out. I figure, better to waste a little money than to have something around that is just going to get me in trouble knowing its in my cupboard.
-Rumblings user FrankL; on the releasing of Trent Edwards
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
Ahh Finally I can Post!
Ok, so i’ve had it with just reading Buffalo Rumblings…I have not liked Chris Kelsay for several seasons…last year for his over pursuit taking himself out of position…but i watched him every play yesterday…he made a good one early on forcing the QB to pitch on the option but other than that…here was my yahoo post:
- Kelsay…Watched him every defensive play…I recommend other Bills fans do the same…he plays every down…when the run comes his way…he moves out of position…pretty much every down at the snap he runs up to the offensive blocker…be it a fullback..rb, tackle..te etc…he does absolutely nothing to break off the block until the play passes him by…after the play is made he is over by the pile standing there…he is not a winner…he has absolutely nothing positive to contribute as a line backer…watch him only next game…he plays every down..eating up snaps a younger player could help with…only to do as little as possible…like routine…i now see why they rewarded his workman like approach b/c i now see that he has a routine which he just finds someone to block him on every stinking down…what a loser!!!! now my least favorite bill, and if the front office hasnt noticed his play and they extended his pay for 4 more years then the whole front office is a joke…ahh, it would be nice if when we are hopelessly losing maybin get some snaps…my prediction is that he will be released this off-season having no opportunities to even get on the field…i would say…wow he must be bad if he cant get on the field but watching Kelsay week in and week out i know this team is COMMITTED to losing…they speak otherwise…but there is no way that a team could possibly reward Kelsay and not let Maybin learn his new positionn unless they were committed to losing…I am certain this is the way this organization is breaking away from the fans so that when Ralph Wilson dies the team can move and no one will care…no one cares about the loyalty of the Bills fans and the heart of the die-hard people of Buffalo…
Additionally Brian…I know you watch these games and review them closely…watch #90 who is now eating up all the snaps…being paid 6 million per year and is not making any plays…and they released Chris Ellis who with a short window has produced both in reg season and in pre-season…I welcome your response…
Welcome to the blog...love your username!
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Oct 12, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.....I had no idea Doris named her son Dingus ;-)
The Chan Plan – I believe in cutting and trading my starters. This is a tough game when you don’t have any idea what to do with your players. We have not been where we needed to be in the last few years, and I only know one way to get worse….cut, trade, or release your players for little to no compensation….and if they really suck, sign them to an extension.
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
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