Gailey On Maybin: "Aaron's Struggling Right Now"
by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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PrintAfter the Buffalo Bills released former starting outside linebacker Chris Ellis on Monday, head coach Chan Gailey was asked about the team's situation at the position. Gailey mentioned two rookies - sixth-round pick Arthur Moats and undrafted free agent Antonio Coleman - as young guys that the team liked and were poised to reward with more playing time.
"The other two guys we like, we like Coleman and Moats," Gailey said. "They're coming on, and that was one of the reasons we made the decision with Chris that we made. We felt like those two players are coming on now."
His review of 2009 first-round pick Aaron Maybin? Let's just say it was not as nice.
"Aaron's struggling right now," Gailey said. "He really is. He's struggling to get on the field, and when he gets his opportunities, he's struggling to make plays. We've got to continue to work with him to see how he develops... He's just got to step up his game when he gets opportunities and make things happen."
According to data from The Buffalo News, Maybin has seen a total of seven defensive snaps in Buffalo's last two games. He got a considerable amount of playing time in New England, but Buffalo spent most of that game in nickel and dime packages, where Maybin lines up at defensive end. He has yet to see any time in a base 3-4 package, and is not playing on special teams, either.
Maybin will likely continue his role as a nickel and dime defensive end, but with Buffalo incapable of stopping the run, they're not likely to be playing out of that package too often any time soon. It seems obvious at this point that Coleman and Moats - who is currently out with an elbow injury - will be seeing time at outside linebacker well before Maybin does.
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Orakpo
damn we missed again like I said a million times when we drafted this bum. I am very surprised Ellis got cut over him. Maybin is a lot worse than Ellis. I think they’re just hoping Maybin somehow pans out cuz they don’t want to admit they totally blew that pick.
Dude stop now. No reason to highjack this post with a worn out arguement that does not matter.
by CanadianBillsFan on Oct 12, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
dude…this is why we suck. They cannot draft. They have missed on the last ten years hence why we suck. So its not a moot point. And it looks like this draft hasn’t turned out that well either…i know its still early but spiller is the only one that is sort of contributing.
Don’t disagree with any of that. Your right, it is why we suck. I’m just saying that theres no point in getting hung over guys we didn’t draft, and theres no point in debating it either. We have who we have, let’s live with it and move on.
by CanadianBillsFan on Oct 12, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, but we are not going to get any better cuz these guys cannot draft at all. I am serious. We all could do a better job. My picks the last ten years would have given us at least 5 pro bowlers. It really isn’t that hard. I know the draft is no sure thing but they are just down right horrible…. I think us fans should put up a billboard and tell them who to draft, similar to the one that wanted to bring in Cowher. I am serious, me and my buddies can draft better players and I bet you could too. I almost died when we took Maybin over Orakpo/Oher.
by csc06258 on Oct 12, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then next time say that instead of bringing up a player that we could have had. Because I agree with everything you just said.
by CanadianBillsFan on Oct 12, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The Bills “suck” because they cannot stop anyone from moving down the field on them and scoring. Plain and simple. The draft is complicated for everyone. Orakpo could just as easily have come into the league and stunk, while Maybin could have flourished.
Ryan Leaf could have been a stud and Peyton Manning could have been a dud.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Orakpo could just as easily have come into the league and stunk, while Maybin could have flourished.
Except there were a ton of warning signs about maybin that were addressed by multiple outlets and draftniks beforehand.
by quantumuprising on Oct 12, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
There were warning signs about Orakpo too. All of this revisionist history needs to stop. Orakpo is doing well, but he could have washed out. There were questions about his work ethic; questions about his ability to convert into an OLB; his Texas ties and how recent Texas draft picks had fared. In fact, there were questions about all of the draftees because that’s what happens during draft time. Nobody knows until they play on Sundays how a player will do.
Agreed and the guys to his right and left have as much to to do with his success as does his talent. That’s something that I feel gets overlooked alot when it comes to Maybin when the rest of the defense can’t get pressure no one we could have drafted would look all that great at this point.
by Robot Nixon on Oct 12, 2010 10:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
a. he wasn’t drafted as an olb. he was drafted as a de.
the warning signs were much different. I’ll take “possible work ethic issues” over undersized, inexperienced, limited talent, major reach any day.by quantumuprising on Oct 12, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
not to mention...
that this regime didn’t draft him.
THAT WE GOING TO RUN OVER EVERBODY THAT STEPS IN FRONT OF THE WHAGONBLASTER - Abayarde
by Jax Bills Fan on Oct 12, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OF COURSE the first !@#$%^&*( word in this comments section is Orakpo.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just don’t understand why no one ever bitches about us passing Clay Matthews. OBD did not like Orakpo at all, but they LOVED Matthews. I am 100% certain that they’d have taken Matthews over Eric Wood at 28 had Green Bay not traded up. They loved him. But it’s always Oraaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkpoooooooooooooooowaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
well, for starters, orakpo is the player that maybin was supposed to be – a versatile end in a 4-3. Matthews was never anything more than a brilliant 3-4 outside backer.
by quantumuprising on Oct 12, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Orakpo plays in a 3-4.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
he was drafted into a 4-3, just like maybin.
by quantumuprising on Oct 12, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
As a 4-3 OLB.
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 12, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope. 4-3 LB.
The abridged version:
2009 Washington Redskins Roster
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LB (SLB) 98 Brian Orakpo Texas
They had him rushing standing up from the get-go. Probably figured it was best to keep him clean behind that big DL of theirs. I’m not sure if he ever put his hand on the ground because I didn’t see the ’Skins much last year, but he was definitely listed as a LB.
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
who cares the OBD didnt like orakpo
that’s the whole point that they didnt.. .because they sucked… i am hoping the new OBD are better… i believe nix is a better scout than GM… i hope to believe he wouldnt have drafted maybin
by statcruncher on Oct 12, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
but you got to ask yourself who really pulls the “trigger.” Do you think Ralph ever comes in and goes….“I want Maybin?” I mean the scouts can scout and say who they like….but who’s decision is it really? do they vote? Who decides? Ralph made the point that he wanted a “football guy” like Nix to handle the operations….i believe this is because he finally realized he needed someone with some football sense to draft these players….I think Ralph has some say in this and maybe is the one who pulls the trigger on some of these guys regardless what the scouts say…after all, he does own the team.
its kinda hard to avoid.
i hate bringing up the ghosts of christmas past as much as anyone else, but in all fairness, you wrote an article about how our highly paid, first round draft pick (that we took instead of aforementioned guy above) is being beaten out in the minds of the coaches by a 6th round pick and a UDFA. You kinda have to expect that response from an article like that.
by quantumuprising on Oct 12, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
well the first person that read the article happened to be the one that hates Maybin most probably on this site
YEAH. Totally gathered that. You read like a crazy person.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, no offense meant. We all have our bones to pick.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Wont read the comments
can’t stand these responses, talk about being non-productive- “I wish we could change the past!”
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by NorCal BillsFan on Oct 12, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
The writing may be on the wall.....
If Maybin is “struggling”, he is struggling in the practice setting as well as in the few game situations he has been in……not good. If this kid can’t be in the right place and time on the practice field, how the heck can he be expected to do it during a faster live game setting. It’s a shame because he does have tremendous quickness, however, you will not get by in this league solely on that attribute. He had better start showing some marked improvement in his entire approach and execution of assignments or he is a goner IMHO.
THAT WE GOING TO RUN OVER EVERBODY THAT STEPS IN FRONT OF THE WHAGONBLASTER - Abayarde
If Maybin is "struggling", he is struggling in the practice setting as well as in the few game situations he has been in……
Totally agree as I am sure the coaches are really seeing his struggles week to week or the fact that he isn’t improving much if at all… The dude needs to bulk up to the 250 he said he was going to play at this summer and start there… All of that could go to his leg muscles because they are not powerful enough to stay upright. He gets knocked around because he plays too tall and does not have good enough balance to use leverage and leg power to drive blockers back… They just arm push him where ever they want him to go…
I watch Jason Taylor last night… They guy takes angles against the OT by driving his left shoulder (if he is playing Right OLB) into the left side of the OT and essentually wedges his way to the QB. The OT goes to push him wide and he can’t budge JT because he is planted in the ground (like a wedge) with forward momentum right into the QB’s drop back… If the OT just faked blocking JT, he’d literally fall over on his left side because of the severity of his lean and how he uses this technique to get to the QB. It is classic, and Maybin could learn alot of JT.
well played....
You have a great point. Maybin could learn a lot from Taylor, but he has no one to teach him. Who is he going to study under, Reggie Torbor???
Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway
by NolaBillsFan on Oct 12, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s worse – all the time Maybin has spent with Ray Lewis and LaVarr Arrington has amounted to nothing for Maybin.
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by thefourwinds on Oct 12, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I bet he knows how to pick a top notch hooker
The Chan Plan – I believe in cutting and trading my starters. This is a tough game when you don’t have any idea what to do with your players. We have not been where we needed to be in the last few years, and I only know one way to get worse….cut, trade, or release your players for little to no compensation….and if they really suck, sign them to an extension.
The NIx plan - "We've got to dig our way out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
or how to get away with murder
Well, I bet he knows how to pick a top notch hooker
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 13, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to see him get special teams time.
With Ellis gone theres no reason for Maybin not to get time on special teams. Theres where he can earn his time and build his confidence. Is it a good place where an 11th overall pick should play? No, but with the current situation that still where he should get his playing time.
by CanadianBillsFan on Oct 12, 2010 8:15 AM EDT reply actions
I don’t even think he is good enough for special teams…and Gailey hinted at that in his press conference.
Totally, this tells you something pretty major about his practice performance if he can’t even be trusted on ST. Even if he can’t get his pass-rush techniques down He should be fast and strong and able to tackle in the open field. If he can’t do that…
by greysquirrel on Oct 12, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess you missed the part where Chan specifically answered that question and
that’s he’s not even good enough to play there.
by twoeightnine on Oct 12, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybin just does not
Have the physical or mental tools to play in the NFL. Physically, he lacks effective lower body strength. Mentally he can’t see the forest from the trees. He has to think so hard about what he is trying to do versus his match up he is unable to grasp the bigger picture, tackle the ball carrier. When he is on the field it looks like he is trying to win a one on one drill while the other 21 players are playing in a game.
Maybin also lacks fluid agility and the ability to make any purposeful athletic movement while physically engaged with a blocker. He is simply not a very good professional athlete. Great athletes have great footwork, Maybin’s footwork and agility is sub par. I know he is young, but let’s call a spade a spade. Maybin is lining up to be a major bust.
by WhatGoesAround on Oct 12, 2010 8:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Zero football instincts
Leo Roth of the Rochester D&C hit the nail on the head yesterday when he said that Maybin has “zero football instincts.” He’s got a quick start, but that’s all. The problem is that he has no idea where he is going once he gets started because he cannot read plays and figure out where he needs to be. That’s crucial for a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB. In college he could get away with it, but in the NFL he is hopeless.
Gailey went on and on about him yesterday at far greater length than was necessary — as if Gailey could not contain his frustration at how stupid his predecessor had been sticking him with such a miserable former first-round pick. In effect, his HC has now called Aaron Maybin a total bust. It’s time to move on and stop allowing him to take up valuable space on the roster.
Flowers wasn’t good, but at least he was able to make it on the field on a team that was decent.
Maybin can’t even get spot duty on a winless team.
by Pistol on Oct 12, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybin can’t even get spot duty on a winless team.
Despite the fact that I’ve thought the same thing many times before, it hurts more than ever to see it put so plainly and starkly.
Triple ouch.
Oh, and rec’d.
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by thefourwinds on Oct 12, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Flowers was better
He had 5 sacks in his career. Four were with the Bills in his two years here.
Phil Dokes might be the better comparison, he was two years and out of football. He was a key member of the 1978 Bills record setting run defense. But at least he was on the field for it.
Okey Dokes
If Maybin takes a back seat to him I think we can officially use the “B” word now !
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Maybin
Seems to me that he doesn’t have “football” sense. He plays rather mechanically. His game is pure speed and he’s found out that can be neutralized without moves. It will be interesting to see how long Nix/Gailey tolerate that.
And for their first pick in the 2011 draft the Buffalo Bills select ...........
taken in context
If he cannot break into the lineup on THIS team, what other conclusion can you draw other than he just doesn’t have it.
(I’m not defending anyone…)Many have been critical of DC Edwards, but, here’s an example of not having much to work with. A high former draft pick who cannot get off the bench.
I think Gailey’s comments are more than “writing on the wall”… it’s a damn billboard.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
I thought.....
The million dollor moment of that interview was when he was a asked why Maybin wasn’t on Special Teams. Chan said he wasn’t good enough for that either. He laughed a little like he couldn’t believe it himself.
Chan is on the warpath. He also said he didn’t know if he was glad Nelson was back, because he hadn’t seen him play yet. We shall see…
by greysquirrel on Oct 12, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I can't help but think
he should have found the path before the 5th week of the season. We have been on it since January!
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
Just because he isn’t ripping his own guys all off season doesn’t mean he’s not trying to win. Sheesh. You’d think people would be over the cheap shots on these guys at this point. Hasn’t reality set in for you yet?
by greysquirrel on Oct 12, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
not a cheap shot at all. Consider Maybin, T. Edwards, etc. etc. My point is that he’s been on the job 10 months and now he’s getting irked by the performance of some? The failures, shortcomings and lack of talent of many of the players have been chronicled here repeatedly over the same period of time. Why do we see it and he did not/does not?
Plus, if he did see it prior to now, why ignore the inevitable until a quarter of the season is gone?
When a company hires a CEO to straighten things out, usually that CEO doesn’t sit there for ten months and say “Yup this is screwed up” The board told him that in the interview! They and the stockholders (in this case us) expect a plan to be implemented immediately to right the ship.
He just comes off as sounding like this is a revelation to him.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
I would have been pretty appalled if he had cut Maybin cite unseen without letting his coaches take a crack at him. This is sour grapes. Quit bitching that Chan should have fixed everything the day he was hired. It’s not a realistic expectation. It’s 20-20 hindsight.
Could some things have been better? Yes. But not everything is perfectly predictable. And let’s not say he hasn’t been trying from day one. They guy definitely lives and breathes football. They made changes from the get-go, they just have more to do. I’d love to see your off-season overhaul.
by greysquirrel on Oct 12, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry that sounds more aggressive than I intended. I am totally open to critiques, but we need to talk about specifics and what the better alternative was at the time. Not what we could have been doing 10 months ago, knowing what we know now and pretending there was a deep FA class we could have participated in. Too much criticism is entirely scatter shot. I’m not sure it helps us get to the bottom of anything.
by greysquirrel on Oct 12, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
No problem…as Brian just said up above:
Haha, no offense meant. We all have our bones to pick.
And that’s dead on. I’m not foolish enough to think it would get fixed in a flash. Like the economy, we didn’t get in this mess overnight and we won’t get out overnight.
I just find the overall mindset of the Bills brass to be somewhat oblivious when it comes to this team. I’ve said it before, I’d be happy to go 0-16 IF there was evidence of some quantifiable, palpable plan to deal with the problem.
I liken it to golf. Any pro will tell you to do your practicing on the driving range. Do not practice while you’re playing the game. We’re 5 games into the season and are now trying to “change our swing”. What were the game tapes, OTAs, mini-camps, training camps, pre-season games for? What was gleaned from those exercises? Why wasn’t any of that info translated into some sort of direction?
I guess my point is that IMO their approach is unorthodox (maybe even contrary) when compared to how other teams have approached a rebuild.
Not bitching, not sour grapes, just an observation.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
This looks like most rebuilds to me. Constantly fine-tuning to find what will work with this team. Things get worse before they get better. I’m not suggesting we will bounce back like Miami, but Sparano was desperate when he started running the wildcat. You don’t think that was a ridiculous change of swing? You gotta figure out what will work, I don’t really believe they know exactly what will happen ex ante. Game day changes everything (didn’t we all think preseason was progress? Turns out not so much.)
I don’t know how we evaluate the tape on guys who barely saw the field the past few years (Maybin is only one of many examples). As Nix said lots of former Bills contribute elsewhere, lets not blow this up before we know what we got. It just means the culling comes later rather than up front.
by greysquirrel on Oct 12, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
good analogy, fs60, but like all analogies, it breaks down. In golf, the tee, club, and ball are no different in practice than they are for real. But until your NFL team plays against other NFL teams, you’ll never know how good or how bad they really are.
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by thefourwinds on Oct 12, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Because the schemes are completely different and what they are asked to do is different.
Using your CEO analogy, isn’t there a chance that a COO works better as a CFO?
And I am firmly behind waiting to see what they can do in the real games vs pre-season and practice. Steve Johnson did not impress a whole lot during pre-season but is really coming on now.
The investment has already been made, you have to at least give them the opportunity to get you a return on that investment.
MaaaaaaayBiiiin
Very painful to utter his name at the moment, I don’t need to add anymore venom—-we all know how this is going to turn out!!!
As far as Orakpo there were concerns about his play coming out of college and the fact that Texas has produced it’s share of #1 flops!!! Including one of the biggest bust in Bills History Mike (Lardass, Pizza Snorter, Sissy Boy, Crybaby) Williams…
"We're at the crossroads...there's no doubt about that. But you can get it done...you can get it done...what's more you've GOT to get it done."
Lou Saban
Right. There were plenty of reasons for the men investing money into Orakpo to be leary of his contribution. His stats had fans foaming at the mouth, but there were questions about his work ethic, if I recall.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
thats why it took the Redskins all of 10 seconds to make the pick after the Bills passed on him. It was the quickest pick I’ve seen made in a long time
The Bills also passed up on Tom Brady, as did 31 other teams until the 6th round? Are you mad that they missed on him too?
The Bills didn’t take Chris Johnson. Where does it end? They have who they have and you can always buy an Orakpo jersey in red or white.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
This argument is silly
Yes, the Bills passed on Brady. So did everyone else, many times. But the point is that Maybin was graded under Orakpo by almost everyone. It’s done and we have to live with what we live with, but we can still say it was a bad draft pick, because it’s turning out to be one. My only consolation is that Nix had nothing to do with it.
And I find the argument between Orakpo and Maybin silly. Neither were guaranteed to follow the paths they have taken in the NFL. It’s ALL a crapshoot. ALL of it.
My point was that one can sit around all day condeming the organization for poor picks and missed opportunities, but the fact of the matter is we all can name the guys who rise to the top from each draft because there are so few of them that actually do stand out. It’s more likely you’re picking a guy who is not going to light the NFL on fire than it is likely you’re finding a guy who’ll become the next Bruce Smith, Joe Montana, Sweetness, Jerry Rice, Mike Singletary, Ed Reed, or Anthony Muñoz.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
the point is there because we needed a pass rusher and the choice was there and we picked wrong. Even Everrette Brown would have been better than Maybin. and we could have gotten him in the second round. These points are all valid because this is why we are horrible. The organization does not draft well. You look at your past mistakes and you fix them so you don’t make them again in the future….its part of everything in life.
The organization should seriously do some sole searching when it comes to the draft b/c its not like “hey we missed on a couple guys” like you are proposing, b/c yes the draft is no certainty….but…..NO we missed on almost ALL of our picks in the last 10 years. Even guys we propose are good like Poz, Whitner, Evans etc…are very average at best players on other teams. It is a JOKE Evans gets as paid as Moss, Fitzgerald and other top wide outs because he is not as good as those guys. He is a above average WR and has been our only decent pick in a while
And us extending Kelsay is an even bigger JOKE….I am convinced the guy would make good teams defenses like the steelers or the Jets….but no, we give him 24 million dollars
by csc06258 on Oct 12, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nicely said
It all boils down to “Coulda Woulda Shoulda”. It is what it is a missed opportunity to draft a talented player that could contribute. There were players taken in front of Maybin that haven’t down particuliar well—Tackle Jason Smith (#2), jackson (*3) Aaron Curry (#4) and Smith ( #6) and of course the Raiders reach at #7 Bey…
"We're at the crossroads...there's no doubt about that. But you can get it done...you can get it done...what's more you've GOT to get it done."
Lou Saban
Clay Matthews
I have to admit, he didn’t play much at USC and I never expected him to be this good.
But who cares about Orakpo, don’t believe he has done much this season, but could be wrong.
Clay Matthews is a freak!
Has at least 6 sicks already from the linebacker position!
And then of course, there is also Cushing and Oher.
Maybin- Wow, just another blunder in the likes of Mike Williams instead of Bryant McKinnie; Whitner instead of Ngata; etc, etc, etc!
Chris Ellis cut, Maybin not playing well....all adding up to....
wait for it….
WAIT FOR IT…..
ANTIONIO COLEMAN STARTING A GAME THIS YEAR!!!
Muhahahaahhaahahahahaha
(I should have made some sort of bet at the time. Prob would have gotten some good odds!)
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
I'm actually interested to see what him and Moats can do on passing downs
We don’t have much to lose right? Keep it simple at first as they tried to do with Maybin. I give Gailey credit for at least moving on to the next prospects at this point until he sees improvement, if that even happens, from Maybin.
I still can’t understand Gailey’s move to the 3-4 though, thought it was about 3 years too late. So many teams run it now that the excess of talent at those hard to fill positions is being snatched up by everybody and their brother.
Maybin
I am not as harsh as some of you guys on Maybin. He was a project type player when we brought him in and we knew he was going to take a while to excel… DE’s typically take longer than other positions to show promise, so I am still holding out hope. Also remember he has just switched defensive schemes which should fit his athletic ability better.
Having said all that, I am really frustrated he hasn’t seen more plays. Obviously Gailey must beleive he is a complete disaster against the run. I think he needs to see more downs though, so he can be fully evaluated. Most of what Gailey is referring to is what he sees in practice… To be fair, TE looked great in PRACTICE (que Allen Iverson references).
I am as disappointed as the next guy that we drafted Maybin, he clearly hasn’t shown anywhere near the value he was drafted. I would just argue that I haven’t seen him in a game enough to fully appreciate his ability or lack thereof…
There has to be something to be optimistic about… This team leaves very little…
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
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by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 12, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions
Well, if you look good in practice you get the chance to fail on the field (TE). But the logic that he looks terrible in practice and will excel… thats a bigger stretch.
by greysquirrel on Oct 12, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, if you look good in practice you get the chance to fail on the field (TE). But the logic that he looks terrible in practice and will excel… thats a bigger stretch.
Well, it’s easier to look good in practice wearing a red jersey where your head doesn’t get taken off.
The OL was not upgraded, so a proper evaluation of TE could not take place. He became gunshy when Adrian Wilson cleaned his clock, he never trusted that line ever since and became captain checkdown.
Maybin is an entirely different beast, he was drafted way to early, he was a late second early 3rd at best. But he needs playing time to see what you have for a proper evaluation.
We are going nowhere this year, throw him to the wolves, and cut him after the season if he doesn’t improve, if he sucks, it only improves our draft position.
That’s the only way to evaluate him.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 13, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
To add
Try standing him up at OLB in the 3-4, he surely can’t do worse than Kelsay, especially covering people, and if he does, no one will question the cut.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 13, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he needs to see more downs though, so he can be fully evaluated. Most of what Gailey is referring to is what he sees in practice… To be fair, TE looked great in PRACTICE (que Allen Iverson references).
Yes, trent edwards looked great in practice, and was given the starting job. To me, this has meant all along that maybin must look terrible even against our offensive line in practice.
by quantumuprising on Oct 12, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree with all of this
It’s been clear for a while that Gailey has 0 confidence in Maybin. As in a “complete disaster”. As in they think he’s so bad they don’t even want to get him downs during garbage time. That’s why he isn’t playing.
I’ve been holding out hope for him, but . . . he’s a bust.
Why does everyone think Trent looked great in practice?
Brian and Matt reported all camp that Trent looked BETTER than Fitz and Brohm, but I never got the impression that he lit it up. Coach Gailey always said that they all played equally at camp, and TE just had the upper hand due to the pecking order. I just can’t imagine that TE’s practice play and game play were much different.
Apply this to Maybin. Everything in practice is on film, and coaches dissect every play. I would imagine that Maybin does not have an extra gear that he hasn’t used or the coaches haven’t seen on tape. Maybe he needs some of Michael Jordan’s and Bugs Bunny’s ‘special drink’ from Space Jam, but otherwise, he still has to earn reps in practice.
Nix's Strategy
We can at least be sure, that we won’t make another pick like Maybin. Nix values production, he said it himself. Guys that have “done it” are important. Production and experience are too of his big keys, he said as much himself. So with this in mind, I’m confident we won’t be making anymore picks based on potential…a la Jason Pierre-Paul. Maybin was a project, developmental type guy. Nobody thought he would be an immediate performer, the sad thing is is that he’s not improving or showing promise. I think you can say goodbye to the picks based on potential now though, with Nix at the controls. Just makes me worry about the selection of Luck, since he’s so young. I know he’s played more than Maybin did, but I don’t know if he will have the experience that Nix covets.
by BMWdrummerman777 on Oct 12, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions
woops
- two…I can’t believe I just screwed up the to, too, two thing…thought I was better than that haha.
by BMWdrummerman777 on Oct 12, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you can say goodbye to the picks based on potential now though, with Nix at the controls. Just makes me worry about the selection of Luck, since he’s so young. I know he’s played more than Maybin did, but I don’t know if he will have the experience that Nix covets.
He’s young, but it’s not about the player being young it’s about their production. Luck has produced a lot in his short time and he has done it in multiple years. Maybin did it in one year.
He’s young, but it’s not about the player being young it’s about their production. Luck has produced a lot in his short time and he has done it in multiple years
No!
Experience matters.
Luck has had two years, with a solid team around him, an NFL calibur HC, a good OL.
He is by NO means a slam dunk unless you can replicate those same conditions in the NFL.
You can count the sophomores who came out for the NFL draft who have had success on one hand, and you won’t even need all 5 fingers to count them.
Luck is a great prospect, but by no means a slam dunk like Peyton Manning was.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 13, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
To add.
In his college career.
When Luck has 30 or more pass attempts in a game, he is 1-5.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 13, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
He has played less and less each week it seems. And it wasn’t a lot to begin with.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 12, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions
Just curious...
George Selvie. Is he still playing college ball or did he declare? If he’s still in college, is he a good fit for the 3-4? I just remember reading a ton about him a year or 2 ago.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions
he was drafted in the later rounds
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
well
minus the huge contract and wasted first round pick of course
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
“Experts” were skeptical of him from the beginning, right?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
ya
its why he fell, I think he wasnt considered to have the athleticism required for the NFL. You add that to his declined production the year before he entered the draft. If he had come out a year earlier I bet his stock would have been higher.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
it would of. i saw him in the 1st round of many mock drafts. He is almost the same player as Maybin. Undersized and “quick-like.” He had one good year then stayed. And it killed him. If Maybin stayed and played one more year he probably would be in the same situation as Selvie is in now.
perhaps
but I think Maybin was a lot more athletic than Selvie was, he could very well have continued to abuse college OTs, remember Jason Pierre Paul really overshadowed Selvie his last year too.
But this is why I think Andrew Luck will come out, you can not be that foolish as to not come out when you are graded as high as you can get.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Give Maybin credit for realizing his worth was at its greatest when he declared. I just wonder about his heart. I mean, if he’s struggling – is some of it mental, or is he really not cutting it at the NFL level?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Maybin has heart, I just dont think he has been coached up enough. He has relied on his speed for too long.
As I said above, all this is why Luck will come out, good for us.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
I just dont think he has been coached up enough.
I don’t, I think he doesn’t have enough experience, who ever would draft a sophomore who had 1 year of starting in college as sophomore has a hole in their logic process. Even if he finished out two more years at Penn State to develop more he might have had a shot or maybe not, it’s too bad football doesn’t have a minor league, he could use playing time there, he is just not gonna get the playing time in the Big leagues, to develop.
I wish the NFL would make some kind of deal with the UFL, where you could send 1 or two guys a team there to play a season or two (and they would have to be in their rookie contract), then finish their rookie contracts if they develop. It would be a good chance to develop players with the measurables, but once you draft them find they need more seasoning by actually playing.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 12, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Maybin has heart, I just dont think he has been coached up enough. He has relied on his speed for too long.
Probably would have gotten better coaching staying at Penn St
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 13, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Better coaching at Penn St = “Son, you just don’t have what it takes to make it in the NFL. Better get some sort of degree while you’re here.”
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by thefourwinds on Oct 13, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
or is he really not cutting it at the NFL level?
Take a good look at his picture! He has slender thighs, no glutes, high center of gravity, very little core muscle mass. CJ Spiller has more muscle mass than Maybelline Maybin. The coaching staff is doing him a favor, he’s gonna get himself badly hurt if he isn’t careful.
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True
But you can tell by his picture all of the above? unless he’s made of glass, I think he’s built for football. I’ll admit he looks out of place on the field, hoping its fixable!
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by buffalobacker on Oct 12, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
A few months ago someone posted a picture of him posing in his living room shirtless, I was shocked at his lack of muscle. There were no outward signs that he was doing weight training to build or sustain his muscle mass and body strength. Last week, someone posted a picture they took standing next to him and again, no muscle mass. I used to see Biscuit, Talley and Smith out on the town and those guys muscle definition was bristling! I mean look at his arms, no muscle whatsoever. Back in the Bills super bowl years, all the defenders had eye popping biceps, triceps and neck muscles. Those guys would tie off their jerseys and display their arms with pride. Maybin looks like someone off the street who strapped on pads. I’m not trying to rant, just pointing out the obvious. How can he expect to perform (excelling is out of the question at this point) at the pro level without any strength and conditioning training? Jeff Nixon former Bills free safety has more upper body strength right NOW, than Maybin!
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as a Mountaineer fan,
I’m glad Selvie is gone. He was undersized, but quick enough to play our spread option effectively. I don’t know how well that transfers to the pros. USF had our number while he was in town. But posters are right; he died down the longer he stayed, and Pierre-Paul ‘flipped’ over him.
3 years to rebuild - At best
Maybin is a perfect example of where this organization is, it’ll take a long time to undo the Levy/Jauron error. The sad this is we may all witness it from afar, who knows if Ralph will live 3 years?
He apparently plans on it, rather than build (in my opinion) more quickly, like the Jets have done.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
We can’t get free agents like the jets. Thats not even an option. Meanwhile, they ALSO have been drafting better than us, they were never this bad off.
by greysquirrel on Oct 12, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Maybin needs a new nickname
I propose Maybelline since it fits him so well.
~K
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I just hope he doesn’t become Aaron Recycle bin.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 12, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybelline
You’re right, he definitely wasn’t ‘born with it,’ so he’s covered it up. i like it.
by quantumuprising on Oct 12, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Not Maybelline
Why ruin a good Chuck Berry song!!
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I like Maybeline,
After all, he spends so much time at the Beauty parlor getting his hair done.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 12, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well given his touted potential
I’ve always called him “Maybe Someday Mabin”. Though it we might need to change that to “Maybe Not”.
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by Backup to Farve's Backup on Oct 12, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Maybin needs a new nickname
I propose
Maybe Maybust Hasbin.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 12, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
A major point in this article: Maybin has never actually played linebacker.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 12, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybin has seen a total of seven defensive snaps in Buffalo’s last two games. He got a considerable amount of playing time in New England, but Buffalo spent most of that game in nickel and dime packages, where Maybin lines up at defensive end.
Defensive end is a position he should be well acclimated with. Even still, he is invisible on the field. The excuses for Maybin are getting a little worn. There are a lot of people on our defense doing things they haven’t done before, but I can’t of any of them who are as invisible on the field as maybin is. If he can’t do it, he shouldn’t do it.
Let me start out by saying I was glad when we drafted maybin I thought he had the capabilities to being a great football player with that said I jus wish they would give him a chance and let him line up at olb and see Wat he can do Penn state didn’t kno what they had in him until someone got hurt and he was forced to play and he responded very well getting 4 snaps at de doesn’t count and shouldn’t count one of the reasons orakpo was so good out the gate was he was aloud to play olb and make plays we haven’t given maybin the chance. I think we can all agree that Edwards was a great practice player and terrible in game situations then why cant it b opposite and someone play better in games than practice think about all our jobs on the job experience is where we honed our skill so I say let him go at olb for the rest of the season Wat fan.it hurt if he turns the corner and shows promise great if not then we kno for sure and can cut him immediately but I cant cut him without knowing
Maybin
So many expectations, little output. Will a “light” all of a sudden turn on for him? Is it his inexperience thats the holdup? Does he just need more time? On this team and his draft slot considered, it can’t hurt to see if he’s gonna be productive. I’d be surprise if they decide to cut ways with Maybin now, to high a pick and too many unanswered questions surrounding Maybin. We need some ‘good news" stories from OBD, here’s one guy that hated the pick, but wants to be proven impatient and wrong as it pertains to Maybin. Please get it together, and step it up sooner, than later.
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sucks that he’s even further off than we thought. I hope he’s willing to take a pay cut next season if he hasn’t earned his way onto the field and garnered some production by then. I’d hate to see him cut only to turn out as a solid pass rusher in three years with someone else.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 12, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
At least have this thread
Has made me want to headbutt a wall till someone else’s head bleeds
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Maybin has not seen the field
How can he be considered such a bust when he doesnt get an opportunity? Do we really trust what the coaches say? The guy has speed…he can use that speed to rush a passer…our pass rush is miserable…he needs to play to show if he is a bust…honestly why can’t we bite the bullet and trust him in the game? What are we afraid of? Isn’t it the coaches job to teach? Also, he played very few snaps as a DE last year, and fewer as an OLB this year…and 1 year at Penn St…what do we expect?
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Chan Gailey: “Aaron’s Struggling right now.”
I’m sorry, are you trying to imply that there was EVER a point that Maybin WASN’T struggling? He hasn’t even showed the tiniest glimmer of talent to indicate that he might have any future in the NFL.
Got A Point There!
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by buffalobacker on Oct 12, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I am curious...
How can a 22 year old be considered a bust? Sure we might have reached for him, but he is STILL a 22 year old development project, whom has had little opportunity to see the field. Just reminding you all THE JURY IS STILL OUT! After witnessing the garbage that i saw sitting in the Ralph last Sunday, I would say that talent evaluation is not one of this mess of a team’s strong suits.
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